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ZywOo in GOAT debate
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Croatia VTZU 
please stop mentioning ZywOo in the GOAT debate just look at his major results and then look at s1mples when he was younger/on a bad team also his stats are already dropping of and he is only 21
2022-05-17 13:10
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#1
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Finland pokka
I dont think he has been in the debate for a few years now
2022-05-17 13:10
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#6
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Indonesia lukerey
just this year. last year he still in the conversation.
2022-05-17 13:11
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#10
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Finland pokka
dunno why someone would have said he was goat last year
2022-05-17 13:13
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#15
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Indonesia lukerey
no one said he was goat. but he's among the best and a contender to be goat.
2022-05-17 13:14
5 replies
All his fans keep saying that: ''HE IS THA GOAT!!!111''' But that starts to become really annoying when only got the first place in IEM winter. That is his only real achievement recently and doesn't make him the goat
2022-05-17 16:23
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#175
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France PowwneD
Chill, nobody say he is the GOAT but one of the potential GOAT, just by the fact that in his 1st full year at pro level he went top 1 then done it again the next year (and dropoing to the 2nd place on his 3rd year) how can you not include him in the potential contenders when most of his career will be behind him ?
2022-05-17 16:40
3 replies
He is the best in his country as well as best in his team. Same award of Rookie of the year as b1t But it takes more than that for the G.O.A.T indisputed status in the world.
2022-05-17 16:43
2 replies
Can you read? He didnt say he is the GOAT but up to last year he was a contender for the title. Time will tell, if he turns up again he might still be the GOAT but it looks quite locked for s1mple at the moment.
2022-05-17 16:56
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So thanks for proving my point with your sassy posts. Anyone who isn't a delusional knows who the goat is that won major without a single map dropped that none even did before
2022-05-17 17:00
#8
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France Terapiah
hltv ranking last 3 years?
2022-05-17 13:12
11 replies
So him being top 3 for 3 years puts him into the GOAT debate? What a tiny tunnel vision you have, lol.
2022-05-17 14:30
9 replies
#93
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Brazil hfdjk
Best player for 2 consecutive years beating s1mple, ofc that would put him to debate.
2022-05-17 14:35
8 replies
2 years is way too little of a timelapse to be able to put someone into the goat status when the game has been around for almost 10 years at this point, especially when players like s1mple is still around.
2022-05-17 14:36
7 replies
u would be called insane if u made these arguments about s1mple back in 2018
2022-05-17 16:11
1 reply
Right?
2022-05-17 16:14
He doesnt have a goat status you dumb fuck but he is definitely a contender for the title. Right now, s1mple is the GOAT but that could change.
2022-05-17 16:57
4 replies
''So him being top 3 for 3 years puts him into the GOAT debate? What a tiny tunnel vision you have, lol.'' ''Best player for 2 consecutive years beating s1mple, ofc that would put him to debate.'' Either your lack of basic reading comprehension is stopping you from properly form an understanding from the sentences above.. or you're just dumber than you think, you tell me.
2022-05-17 19:12
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Ummm sweaty, ahhkctually you are still wrong. Lets see, ZywOo started pro CS in late 2018. 2019 - HLTV #1 (first full year) 2020 - HLTV #1 2021 - HLTV #2 Sorry, but going 1, 1, 2 in the most competitive era of CSGO does put him into the discussion to be a potential GOAT. He is not GOAT now, or in one year but given his incredible first two years especially, he has definitely put himself into the debate. As I said before, if we had to say GOAT of CSGO at the moment, it would be s1mple. No one else is even close. However, if we think about players that could potentially rival s1mple in the future if e.g. he drops off (hard to imagine) or someone else starts dominating (possible and inevitable at some point), the one name that has the highest likelihood of doing so and eclipsing s1mple is ZywOo. Not in the current form, of course, but he has already played up to s1mple's level or better for two years and one year he managed to be still a clear 2nd best in the world. All in all, it is a factual statement to say that ZywOo is "in the debate", but it is not factual to claim there are arguments to claim he is GOAT right now.
2022-05-17 19:49
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Being potentional goat contender isnt being a goat contender though, so i'm not wrong? the fuck? You're literally argueing with me at this point. I never said he's bad nor has i said that i dont like him, I'm just realistic enough compared to many fans to see that he isnt a goat contender, YET.
2022-05-17 21:58
1 reply
Yes, I see that you agree with me already. What a pointless argument we had, well, have a great evening!
2022-05-17 22:09
#230
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Hungary szia
that is greatest of the year not greatest of all time
2022-05-17 22:10
#113
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Netherlands DeeeBone
He is like Charles Barkley or Phil Mickelson. you can never be the GOAT when you play during the same time period as the one true recognized GOAT (MJ, Tiger Woods, and S1imple in this context..)
2022-05-17 15:27
2 replies
+1
2022-05-17 16:30
+1 for sure
2022-05-17 19:21
#2
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France HoxjE
He has the same stats as s1mple rn with a much lower team ?
2022-05-17 13:11
19 replies
#11
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Croatia VTZU
if you watched any of the matches you would know that he actually played significantly worse than s1mple
2022-05-17 13:13
14 replies
Not at all.
2022-05-17 13:14
No? He played shit on day 1 but since then he carried Vitality through the bo3's
2022-05-17 13:15
6 replies
#72
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
you mean the bo3s against Lulquid and BUG? LOOL
2022-05-17 14:13
5 replies
Yes I mean those
2022-05-17 14:25
4 replies
#81
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
can only carry against bots it seems LMFAO
2022-05-17 14:27
your time will be wasted, look at the way he writes his comments...
2022-05-17 14:37
2 replies
What no attention does to a mfer
2022-05-17 14:38
lol
2022-05-18 16:42
Seems like you didnt lmao
2022-05-17 13:21
#34
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France HoxjE
No ? He has played way better
2022-05-17 13:26
You are one not watching games mate
2022-05-17 13:29
lmao seems like someone is not watching matches
2022-05-17 13:36
#69
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North America 007DBR9
pov you didn't watch matches but pretent to be knowledgeable
2022-05-17 14:11
iF yOu wATcH aNY of ThE maTCh lol
2022-05-17 14:16
s1mple is miles ahead of zywoo this year what are you talking about
2022-05-17 14:31
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ZYWOO has more flash assists!!!! definitly GOAT, s1mple just bad
2022-05-17 15:51
lmao what? S1mple has 1.36 rating past 3 months and zywoo has 1.18 rating past 3 months. Are you drunk?
2022-05-17 16:06
#3
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Korea ARMY!
Start goat debate of jabbi
2022-05-17 13:11
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#7
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Denmark lonnyb
FACT
2022-05-17 13:12
#231
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Hungary szia
i.gyazo.com/897a1062c40f79f7c6dfabfa0f05.. jabbi so good that they cloned him
2022-05-17 22:10
1 reply
Ofc
2022-05-17 22:11
#4
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France marponche
Yeah stop mentionning top1 twice and top2 once in 3 years because his teams suck and he has 1.15 rating at majors
2022-05-17 13:11
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#14
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Croatia VTZU
every major he ever played in they underperformed s1mple got team liquid to major finals
2022-05-17 13:14
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#17
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France marponche
yeah he did in 2016 its 2022 now
2022-05-17 13:14
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#19
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Croatia VTZU
what did zywoo do with his teams? never even close to major finals
2022-05-17 13:15
And was by far the worst player in the final.
2022-05-17 13:15
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#23
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Croatia VTZU
playing in final > not even getting close to the final
2022-05-17 13:16
13 replies
completely useless if you cant perform in the most important match
2022-05-17 13:18
12 replies
#27
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Croatia VTZU
i guess thats true in your dream world
2022-05-17 13:19
11 replies
Nope, its true if you arent a delusional fanboy
2022-05-17 13:20
10 replies
#30
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Korea malakie
stfu ur so cringe xD just accept s1mple left toe> entire csgo community
2022-05-17 13:22
5 replies
flair
2022-05-17 13:25
4 replies
#58
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Korea malakie
nah bro its only fax
2022-05-17 13:51
3 replies
Its only delusional fanboyism
2022-05-17 13:58
2 replies
#68
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Korea malakie
stfu pls
2022-05-17 14:10
1 reply
2022-05-17 14:13
#38
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Croatia VTZU
ok bro reply when zywoo gets to atleast semifinal of a major
2022-05-17 13:33
3 replies
No
2022-05-17 13:38
2 replies
#43
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Croatia VTZU
because it aint happening
2022-05-17 13:39
1 reply
prob. not this tournament, yes
2022-05-17 13:40
S1mple didnt carried them lmao It was a team effort
2022-05-17 13:22
4 replies
With any other player, they would have been out of the door going to the airport after 2 matches. Be real
2022-05-17 16:37
3 replies
S1mple averaged 1.18 elige averaged 1.15 on cologne 2016 It wasnt a carry job
2022-05-17 16:38
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There isn't any player in the world who solo carries harder than s1mple. He literally became the world wide star because of it
2022-05-17 17:02
1.18 rating vs Elige 1.15 = Not a carry performance at all, plus he was also raging and bringing the team morale down.
2022-05-17 16:59
#56
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
You didn't watch that particular Major then, I take it?
2022-05-17 13:48
you are right but ZywOo played just 3 majors I guess? And 2/3 was in play offs maybe this major it will be 3/4 so not that bad tbh and you can see his whole careers he is beast its not like he is GOAT but people are talking about it because he is on that way if he is going to win tournaments
2022-05-17 14:18
#163
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
With the help of elige and other. Multiple players had more than 1.08 rating
2022-05-17 16:32
#5
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France Terapiah
With one of the most radical changing in T1 team this year we can still see people posting silver threads
2022-05-17 13:11
20 replies
#16
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Croatia VTZU
its been 5 months
2022-05-17 13:14
9 replies
#20
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France Terapiah
it could be more, switching language for communication is way more difficult than anything else in a team
2022-05-17 13:15
8 replies
S1mple could Carry liquid when he couldn't speak one English sentence. Stop with shit excuses
2022-05-17 14:12
7 replies
#75
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France Terapiah
The whole team switch language are you hella stupid bro? It's way more ez to just play your game and not listening to calls so you can focus 100% on aim just go back spam silver mm you have 0 IQ
2022-05-17 14:13
6 replies
Cry is free. When you can't speak English don't go international or be a natural Cs GOAT to solve this problem
2022-05-17 14:16
5 replies
#122
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France Guilsz_
mad german bc ZywOo beat the sh*t out of BIG yesterday
2022-05-17 15:53
4 replies
We talk here about zywho and s1mple. You can't deal with it. Zywho is a nobody compared to S1mple
2022-05-17 17:00
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#197
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France Guilsz_
did I say that Zywoo is better than s1mple? nah I said than you can't cope with the fact that ZywOo destroyed BIG so you talk shit about him on threads
2022-05-17 17:06
2 replies
he is a known s1mple fanboy, don't argue with him.
2022-05-18 11:17
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#236
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France Guilsz_
yeah Ik but I can't with people who talk shit just to do so
2022-05-18 11:23
the guy has 12 mvps, #1 #1 #2 in his first 3 years of pro play. People are mad he is not dropping 40k every map because of the godlike start of his career. He has even better rating in this major than s1mple. But yeah, poeple who don't even watch matches gonna make these kind of troll posts every day.
2022-05-17 13:38
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#60
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France Terapiah
Yeah, this guy just hates zywoo he's mad cause no diamond coin I guess. But nvm silver thread as usual when zywoo doesn't go 1.30 rating every BO3
2022-05-17 13:57
1 reply
true, people flood hltv when zywoo doesn't get 45 kills
2022-05-17 14:05
Hltv top 20 just ranks with subjective views. It isn't a true fact like kd. Just watch how S1mple played and what success he had when he got top rating. S1mple won major with out a map lost Was 3 times in major final and you come up with zywho who was never close to major final
2022-05-17 14:15
6 replies
give zywoo s1mple's teammates, ez major
2022-05-17 14:32
5 replies
Nope
2022-05-17 14:46
4 replies
s1mple had 2 teammates in top 5 of Stockholm major. zywoo had 3 teammates below 1.0 rating and apex with 1.06 rating. s1mple's worst teammate with the lowest rating had the same rating as apex. lol yeah, give zywoo navi caliber teammates who speak the same language, you basically give him a major.
2022-05-17 14:53
3 replies
now we are adding same language excuse as well arent we ....
2022-05-17 15:40
1 reply
now? it's been a problem since the beginning and it seems they can't fix it. it is what it is. even when both dupreeh and magisk plays so good they lose/barely win maps. they've lost too many 3v2 & 4v2 just because the info doesn't get through correctly/fast enough. Anyone who watches their matches can see it.
2022-05-17 16:39
People also said give good team mates to Niko and ez G2 era but that made the situation even worse than before.
2022-05-17 16:45
I think the problem is with their coach. Players like Niko and ZywOo because they are working with a new coach The coach does not know how to use these players
2022-05-17 13:13
S1mple/ZyWoo is like Ronaldo/Messi There will always be people saying one guy’s better than the other for some different reason, at the end of the day they’re both goated and gods at the game, instead of arguing we all should be in awe that we have 2 such talented individuals in their prime at the same exact time.
2022-05-17 13:14
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#32
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Korea malakie
nah more like s1mple ronaldo/messi and zywoo neymar or mbappe idk suarez
2022-05-17 13:22
19 replies
Mbappe is better than Ronaldo and Messi right now
2022-05-17 13:31
18 replies
#57
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Korea malakie
yeah but ik what i mean by what i said
2022-05-17 13:50
But at their prime messi > mbappe any day, any week any hour Ronaldo especially
2022-05-17 15:54
16 replies
Mbappe didnt reach his prime yet, we dont know how it goes.
2022-05-17 15:56
15 replies
Won't ever be close to Messi, if you think he will you have 0 understanding of football
2022-05-17 16:40
14 replies
compare his numbers to Messis in that age.
2022-05-17 16:52
13 replies
Plays in an absolute farmers league, farms stats against poor CL opposition. I'm not sure how old you are but 18-22 year old Messi is something else.
2022-05-17 16:53
12 replies
LaLiga is farmersleague aswell, Barca and Real won every match like 5:0 and Messi and CR7 padded their stats.
2022-05-17 17:12
11 replies
Alrightey mate hahahaha
2022-05-17 17:21
10 replies
Messi isnt even the best player I have seen so far while watching football, but a 15 year old kid like you knows obv.
2022-05-17 17:36
9 replies
#203
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Croatia VTZU
you must not watch football that much because messi is the goat
2022-05-17 17:37
8 replies
Goat of choking in finals, yes you are right.
2022-05-17 17:38
6 replies
#214
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Croatia VTZU
won everything but ok
2022-05-17 18:19
5 replies
Ofc, he won the world cup in your dreams, right?
2022-05-17 19:19
4 replies
#217
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Croatia VTZU
this year
2022-05-17 19:20
3 replies
More likely that your country will win it than argentina
2022-05-17 19:21
2 replies
#220
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Croatia VTZU
i hope
2022-05-17 19:26
1 reply
France or brazil will make it
2022-05-17 19:28
This guy is proper delusional or 12 years old.
2022-05-17 20:33
K/D rating andy will disagree !!
2022-05-17 13:14
Yeah this debate it over, pretty clear Aleksib is god and the goat
2022-05-17 13:16
3 replies
#25
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Croatia VTZU
goat in paycheck stealing
2022-05-17 13:18
2 replies
GOAT in going B, but then going A. Sometimes going B but actually going B
2022-05-17 13:40
1 reply
top 3 igl 4 sure!
2022-05-17 16:16
#39
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Ukraine d3adLY
zywoo isnt even close to goat, just overrated avg player
2022-05-17 13:34
39 replies
lol true, overrated avg player who had 12 mvps and #1#1#2 in 3 years. flag checks out.
2022-05-17 13:39
16 replies
#49
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Ukraine d3adLY
he had good stats cuz 4 bad teammates(they couldnt kill so he just stole their frags + they played for him too much)
2022-05-17 13:41
15 replies
#90
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
According to your own opinion* Your opinion is not treated as factual nor truthful, it's subjective.
2022-05-17 14:32
14 replies
#103
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Ukraine d3adLY
u can see it too
2022-05-17 14:45
13 replies
My opinion is that I respect both s1mple and ZywOo equally, something that you do not do, yet claim that you do. There's the difference.
2022-05-17 15:27
12 replies
#116
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Ukraine d3adLY
i respect them too, but objectively
2022-05-17 15:37
11 replies
Even objectively speaking, claiming that ZywOo only made it to number 1 because he had 4 other bots on his team isn't respecting ZywOo or Vitality, for that matter. You stated yourself: You feel s1mple should've been number 1 in 2019 and 2020 and ZywOo shouldn't, yet the statistics and accolades claim differently.
2022-05-17 15:46
10 replies
#126
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Ukraine d3adLY
s1mple had better stats in 2020
2022-05-17 15:55
9 replies
Yeah-- in different statistics and ZywOo had better statistics than s1mple in other different statistics - it was deemed overall to be neck and neck -- the closest ever number 1 placing spot in the history of HLTV. The difference is you can't accept that for whatever reason ZywOo to be better than s1mple in certain ways for even a single year... Sure enough, as of right now, s1mple being far superior to ZywOo is a no-brainer but we aren't talking about right now, we're talking about you baiting and disrespecting ZywOo as a whole.
2022-05-17 16:03
8 replies
#135
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Ukraine d3adLY
so u disrespecting s1mple cuz u r saying he and zywoo was very close to each other, but s1mple still was better
2022-05-17 16:06
7 replies
I'm disrespecting s1mple because I echoed the sentiments of HLTV in that the statistics were neck and neck in 2020? Are you baiting me or are you choosing to completely disregard my posts now?
2022-05-17 16:19
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#170
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Ukraine d3adLY
u r disrespecting s1mple cuz u think they both were head to head by REAL stat, but again that was boosted stats and MVP (zywoo)
2022-05-17 16:36
5 replies
What "real" stats? You're the one assuming s1mple's are genuine and ZywOo's were boosted, not me - That's your disrespectful opinion. Please explain to me how I'm disrespecting s1mple by literally calling the statistics as they are, despite your disrespectful opinion? Am I not allowed to respect both players in saying that the statistics were neck and neck because they were now?
2022-05-17 16:42
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#179
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Ukraine d3adLY
cuz zywoo had 4 bad teammates?
2022-05-17 16:44
3 replies
That doesn't make them boosted, it'saccording to context? It was a solo-carry like s1mple did back in 2018, the difference being Vitality didn't have a player like Electronic on the team. Vitality still won tournaments in 2020, one of them they actually beat Na'Vi in the grand-finals for the win. So nobody is allowed to be a star-player with bad teammates otherwise that means all statistics are boosted now? You also didn't answer my question. Unlike you, I'm not disrespecting any player.
2022-05-17 16:52
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#189
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Ukraine d3adLY
"It was a solo-carry like s1mple did back in 2018, the difference being Vitality didn't have a player like Electronic on the team." your sentence is nonsense solo-carry but with 1 more good player(elec), how is it solo-carrying? your stats arent boosted if u have 1-2 good teammates(like s1mple or niko had) every vitality win is fluke, and i already said why
2022-05-17 16:58
1 reply
"every vitality win is fluke, and i already said why" Yet another completely unfair statement...
2022-05-17 17:43
ah yes d3adly the so called "objective" user, def not a zywoo hater ekekeekek xD
2022-05-17 13:41
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#50
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Ukraine d3adLY
yes, i am not his hater, just telling truth
2022-05-17 13:42
19 replies
sure zywoo hater
2022-05-17 13:43
2 replies
#52
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Ukraine d3adLY
ok kid...
2022-05-17 13:43
1 reply
ok hater
2022-05-17 13:44
#55
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Once again, your opinion isn't the "truth", it's your opinion to be respected. For a user who claims to not be a ZywOo hater, you're doing a very good of continuously baiting to make others presume that to be the case. Hopefully one day you will come to realise this, friend.
2022-05-17 13:46
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#63
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Ukraine d3adLY
i dont bait so why zywoo doesnt have good stats like before?
2022-05-17 14:01
14 replies
#87
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Your posts claim otherwise and other users who have the exact same discussion also make that same assumption. Is nobody allowed to have an off-period? Not even s1mple was perfect when he started playing CS:GO, in his first two years of playing he didn't even make the Top 20, his first placing was 4th in 2016. ZywOo's first two years were both number 1 placings, a placing you personally disagree with and that's why you're baiting. It's the exact same song and dance again and again...
2022-05-17 14:31
13 replies
#102
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Ukraine d3adLY
he has worse stats cuz astralis trio dont want to be baited by zywoo "ZywOo's first two years were both number 1 placings" what? didnt know he was top 1 in 2017 and 2018 + 2019 and 2020 was fluke, as i said, just boosted stat
2022-05-17 14:40
12 replies
I should've clarified " first two years playing tier 1 CS", which is my bad. s1mple achieved his first number 1 placing in 2018 during the Astralis era, his first placing was 2016, two years prior. "+ 2019 and 2020 was fluke, as i said, just boosted stat" This is what I mean... Complete disregard and disrespect to ZywOo in favour of s1mple fanaticism, yet you claim you aren't baiting and that you're not a ZywOo hater... Until your posts claim otherwise, it's the exact same song and dance - You're a ZywOo hater and a baiter who is also a s1mple fan.
2022-05-17 15:25
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#115
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Ukraine d3adLY
hltv said about top 20 in 2020 that zywoo was top 1 only cuz mvps, s1mple had better stats, and these mvps were undeserved again, just check zywoo`s demos, not good aim or movement
2022-05-17 15:34
10 replies
Why were the MVP's underserved, exactly? Also s1mple and ZywOo had neck and neck statistics in 2020 but it was 6 MVP's to 2 MVP's. Once again, disrespecting any player that isn't s1mple...
2022-05-17 15:48
9 replies
#123
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Ukraine d3adLY
zywoo had atleast 2 underserved mvps(on blast GROUP stage) and when vitality was playing vs heroic(heroic`s player had to get MVP) but s1mple didnt get MVP from group stage(like zywoo did)
2022-05-17 15:54
8 replies
Again, why were they undeserved? Even if s1mple did get that MVP, it was still 6 to 3 plus neck and neck statistics. Admit it: You can't accept the fact that ZywOo was certified competition for s1mple in the two respective years where ZywOo ranked higher, you have your own reasons as to why that is to be respected but you refuse to treat them as opinions, which is what they are. You might not hate on ZywOo but you absolutely do not respect him one bit, your posts are completely evident of that.
2022-05-17 15:59
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#140
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Ukraine d3adLY
cuz first one was for group stage and second heroic won tournament + zywoo didnt have much better stats than best heroic`s player
2022-05-17 16:09
6 replies
Some group stages still hand out MVP's, as s1mple also deserved back in 2018; The Heroic tournament, ZywOo still had the best statistics to my understanding and despite ultimately losing, ZywOo still performed admirably. Again, akin to s1mple back in 2018... Your arguments are invalidated because they also associate to s1mple in one way or another, you're just finding excuses and reasons to disregard and discredit ZywOo yet again... Is it really that impossible to respect both players?
2022-05-17 16:17
5 replies
#164
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Ukraine d3adLY
1) so why s1mple did get mvp for group stage in 2020 2) i didnt say player cant get mvp if he doesnt win event, just that was online + not much better stats s1mple had good stats in 2017 and top 8 but not cuz he deserved it, but cuz 2 bad teammates, worst year for navi and he was baiting too much
2022-05-17 16:32
4 replies
Which group stage in 2020? I was referring to 2018, I'm sure s1mple won MVP awards despite losing the event itself.
2022-05-17 16:36
3 replies
#177
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Ukraine d3adLY
weplay clutch island, that was even rmr, i didnt remember that check 2) in #164
2022-05-17 16:43
2 replies
We already spoke about that in post #130, as no MVP was issued from that tournament, to my knowledge.
2022-05-17 16:47
1 reply
#186
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Ukraine d3adLY
yes, there was no mvp, thats why i have this question, rmr tournament without MVP, nice
2022-05-17 16:54
They hated him because he told them the Truth
2022-05-17 16:03
there's no debate the GOAT's clearly Xyp9x
2022-05-17 13:41
#53
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's the difference of opinions. Whether you like it or not, others are allowed to put ZywOo in a GOAT contender category according to their own opinions and why not? ZywOo has achieved a lot for a player who only started playing in 2019, so it's a respectable opinion.
2022-05-17 13:44
4 replies
#64
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Croatia VTZU
ofc others are allowed to be wrong im talking about serious objective debates
2022-05-17 14:01
1 reply
#91
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
On the surface and according to context, there is no wrong or right when it comes to the difference of opinions; it's subjective, diverse and constructive. Bait less and respect the opinions of other users, friend.
2022-05-17 14:33
#64 is right tho
2022-05-17 16:07
1 reply
Which part? This part here: "ofc others are allowed to be wrong" <-- Doesn't really suit the context of a discussion involving fanaticism and objective merit, as"wrong" opinions are null and void when it's about fanaticism. Serious objective discussions still involve ZywOo, it's just that the discussions ZywOo are always involved in are either bait or comparisons to s1mple. This thread is bait, plain and s1mple.
2022-05-17 16:13
JaCkZ GOAT
2022-05-17 13:52
Zywho fans excuses: -Communication, language barrier -He's young, s1mple old - Vita need more time - Teammates are shit Meanwhile GOAT s1mple playing in USA carrying Liquid, then playing with bots in Navi in 2017-2019 and carrying them as well, now russia invaded his country and no problems as well Just admit it, Zywoo is finished and he never was close to s1mple in terms of skill
2022-05-17 13:58
11 replies
#65
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Croatia VTZU
he was close but not anymore he wasnt close in the goat debate tho
2022-05-17 14:02
3 replies
He looked close in 2019. 2020 s1mple got robbed. And yeah, absolutely not in the goat debate
2022-05-17 14:09
2 replies
"robbed" rofl
2022-05-17 21:09
1 reply
Exactly, robbed
2022-05-17 21:27
name checks out hahahah
2022-05-17 14:29
6 replies
Can't make that argument while having that flair + name, sorry
2022-05-17 14:30
5 replies
the moment you said "zywho" all your arguments dont count.
2022-05-17 14:31
4 replies
The moment you put "Zywoo" and "realistic" in your name, your opinion doesn't count
2022-05-17 14:34
3 replies
that doesnt make sense but ok
2022-05-17 14:36
2 replies
You meant to say it didn't fit your own perception of sense. The sense is that Zywoo tricked everybody in 2019 and 2020. s1mple was always above him
2022-05-17 14:39
1 reply
no
2022-05-17 14:58
#71
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Europe ad3m93
zywo so bad this year not even in top 5
2022-05-17 14:12
#76
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Denmark nicram64
1. device 2. simple / zywoo 4. coldzera 5. get right
2022-05-17 14:14
13 replies
#101
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Croatia VTZU
device lol he is so good he is benched on nip and his igl doesnt want him back
2022-05-17 14:40
11 replies
You also need achievements for goat status and longevity
2022-05-17 14:48
10 replies
#109
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Croatia VTZU
yea s1mple has both
2022-05-17 15:02
9 replies
So does ZywOo and Device. You're opting to ignore them in favour of baiting, which is on you, not the players you are opting to blatantly disrespect.
2022-05-17 16:05
8 replies
ZywOo has no team achievements though, friend.
2022-05-17 16:11
1 reply
No, not in comparison to Astralis or Na'Vi, though Vitality did win events, of course. The problem with the OP is that the bait in question doesn't specify the difference between individual achievements or team achievements, it's just to spread about disrespect to ZywOo and remove the opinions of fans who put ZywOo as a GOAT contender. Otherwise, it's a pleasure to see you again, friend. :D Hope you have been well. ^^
2022-05-17 16:28
#157
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Croatia VTZU
device has only team achivements zywoo has only individual achivements s1mple has both
2022-05-17 16:23
5 replies
All three players have both sets of achievements, it's just that Astralis have more team achievements than Na'Vi/Vitality and all three have their own set of unique individual achievements and accolades.
2022-05-17 16:30
4 replies
Not anymore tho only majors astralis has more Na Vi already surpassed Astralis in overall achievements
2022-05-17 17:05
1 reply
The grand-slam is tied, Astralis have more Majors and it's still argued as to whether or not Na'Vi had an era but we know Astralis did. I'd say Astralis are still the most successful CS:GO team but it can still be surpassed.
2022-05-17 17:46
s1mple individual achievements and best records > anyone else in the world Device probably comes the closest but still worse than the goat from ukraine
2022-05-17 17:28
1 reply
Of course but ZywOo still has some individual accolades and achievements, was my point.
2022-05-17 17:45
Lulvice lmao
2022-05-17 16:21
zywoo doesnt have the sauce, the drip, the swag, he cant be in the goat conversation
2022-05-17 14:29
1 reply
zywoo gets zero bitches fr he looks like he cries when the hoes come around
2022-05-17 14:49
#94
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Indonesia cleostar
device goat debate ended when he met emilia
2022-05-17 14:36
He is too young for this.
2022-05-17 15:02
Tbh I only think it is his fangirls that consider him to be in that debate.
2022-05-17 15:54
zywoo's achievements in this tournament: 0 deaths in 1 match. How happy he was. Now he will be happy again to play on the de_airport map
2022-05-17 15:58
zywoo is pretty good tho
2022-05-17 15:59
you need 4 good players to make your star player shine s1mple wont be s1mple if he's put in vitality your argument doesn't make sense since he's not in a good team anymore~
2022-05-17 16:07
13 replies
+1
2022-05-17 16:08
No, watch s1mple in 2018 and 2019 where he dropped 1.3+ rating? S1mple literally set his first world record for highest rated player in a year at a point in time where the other 4 players were at the lowest(except for electronic)
2022-05-17 16:10
3 replies
Na'vi had a seasoned IGL Zeus (even tho he played like a bot, he was a seasoned IGL with loads of experience), electronic was popping off, Edward was still playing decent, and flamie was just flamie compared to apEx who isn't able to IGL anymore since he can't micromanage, dupreeh who can't even get double digits, misutaa who has always been a hit or miss and Magisk is bit more consistent.
2022-05-17 16:12
2 replies
Zeus literally had to retire because he was playing so bad and flamie was also at the brink of being retired because he was playing so bad - you are contradicting yourself ;-)
2022-05-17 16:13
1 reply
I literally am not comparing their stats, but their experience Zeus was bad mechanically but still had decent IGLing skills, apEX can get 100 bomb, but his IGLing isn't working with the new squad flamie is just like current Vitality's misutaaa, either hit or miss.
2022-05-17 16:15
LMAO this guys dont know how hard s1mple solo carry 40 kill when electronic is not wake up , s1mple need carry zeus edward flamie these bot
2022-05-17 16:11
1 reply
ZywOo performs better in a full french squad He hasn't gotten used to the international squad yet.
2022-05-17 16:20
He has been in shit teams the first years of his career and had to carry. Quit coping you delusional idiot
2022-05-17 17:30
5 replies
> Russian > Brain Pick 1 ZywOo has always played in french teams, and has always preferred playing in a French Squad, putting someone who hasn't played in an international squad and expecting the man to go toe to toe against the very best, when he himself isn't comfortable communicating in English makes total sense right
2022-05-17 17:47
3 replies
Xenophobic piece of shit does what he does best. Keep it up
2022-05-17 21:04
2 replies
LMFAO, just pointed out you're the idiot here and it hurt you
2022-05-18 10:24
1 reply
Nah bro, give me the name of your employing company where you work at so you will be canceled for discriminating someone on the basis of their nationality !
2022-05-18 16:08
Why the insults? Are you incapable of providing a constructive argument without aggression?
2022-05-17 17:48
-shox +zywoo liquid will treat him right
2022-05-17 16:17
How can he be in the GOAT debate if he underperformes in the most prestigious events (Major, Cologne, Katowice)
2022-05-17 16:17
7 replies
Zywoo Underperforming in cologne Pick one
2022-05-17 16:19
2 replies
Ok he performed good in 2019 and then? 2021 was bad and 2020 is an online event which is irrelevant when talking about potential GOATs
2022-05-17 16:30
1 reply
Lost to Navi Lost to Faze
2022-05-17 16:32
hltv.org/stats/players/events/11893/zywo.. underperformes btw not sure if shit bait or yes
2022-05-17 16:32
3 replies
You literally prove my point by showing his ratings at this major and katowice
2022-05-17 16:35
2 replies
1.10 katowice 1.12 cologne 1.19 major being on team with 4 bots sorry, you have proven to have negative iq, our convo is over
2022-05-17 16:35
1 reply
Do you even know what underperformes means? His average rating used to be around 1.30, everything worse than that is underperforming, thanks for proving my point again
2022-05-17 16:53
100% agreed. If he is lucky and vitality is not dumb they will cut all the guys (if this doesn’t work eventually) and build a Faze kind of team around him.
2022-05-17 17:02
recency bias gg
2022-05-17 17:06
Zywoo has time to prove himself again. He can play like 20+ more majors if he wants to
2022-05-17 17:37
1. s1mple 2. dev1ce 3. fallen 4. a literal bot 5. zypoo
2022-05-17 17:39
people who call zywoo goat are delusional
2022-05-17 17:41
Is Hunden still in the debate for the goat?
2022-05-17 22:09
Did anyone actually ever said zywoo was goat unironically? He didn't even have a career yet. Forget s1mple he's way behind even kennyS, GuardiaN, coldzera etc.. Many star carries of the past had similar peaks, longer period of activity and more results. Maybe in a couple more years he can be in the discussion for at least top3. s1mple dev1ce cold kennyS NiKo olofmeister flusha GeT_RiGhT ZywOo
2022-05-18 11:23
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