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Vitality is killing zywoo
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Turkey ZYWOO_OSEE_ART_ENJOYER 
hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. Compare last 6 months of 2021 and first 6 months of 2022 This is not normal Same as NiKo Both teams cant utilize their star player on fully extent
2022-05-18 10:28
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OK. So what team would you put Zywoo on to give him a fresh start?
2022-05-18 10:29
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#2
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Estonia nokkiii
NiP trade zywOo for dev0ce, dev0ce gets to play with his teammates and zywOo joins a t1 team
2022-05-18 10:31
21 replies
This seems doable
2022-05-18 10:32
NIP would probably dominate with Zywoo
2022-05-18 11:56
NiP can also add es3tag to a trade so he can replace misutta and make space for Zywoo in NiP, both teams may benefit
2022-05-18 11:59
How about language? They speak swedish in nip ig
2022-05-18 12:10
9 replies
#66
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Czech Republic Evis1337
zywoo is fluent in swedish
2022-05-18 14:10
8 replies
it's true he has confirmed himself
2022-05-18 14:12
then it could be a good move,
2022-05-18 15:05
#77
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Russia Vedoth
what.
2022-05-19 11:03
5 replies
#78
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Czech Republic Evis1337
zywoo is fluent in russian
2022-05-19 13:07
4 replies
what.
2022-05-19 13:14
3 replies
Zywoo is fluent in Khoisan
2022-05-19 13:17
2 replies
very cool!
2022-05-19 13:17
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#89
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Czech Republic Evis1337
he enjoys languages :)
2022-05-19 13:19
#76
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France Guilsz_
how about apEX ZywOo dev1ce dupreeh Magisk dev1ce and ZywOo are both gret with AWP and rifle so they can play the AWP on the maps they're the most comfortable on
2022-05-19 10:48
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#90
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Czech Republic Evis1337
i think zywoo would prefer to play rifle and maybe keep misuta and not dupreeh
2022-05-19 13:20
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#91
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France Guilsz_
I really like your take but don't forget how good dupreeh has been playing before the major 1.19 @RMR 1.19 @Katowice 1.16 @BLAST (1.00 @EPL)
2022-05-19 14:03
4 replies
+1 He had one off tourney during the legends stage and people think he is washed up lmao
2022-05-19 15:04
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#101
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France Guilsz_
the next map he drops 30 kills there's going to be at least 10 threads saying he is a god
2022-05-19 15:15
he didn't do that well in EPL either but even in the major he had some good games and even carried few maps it's just that he completely disappeared in others
2022-05-19 15:06
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#102
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France Guilsz_
true before the horrible Nuke he had against BIG he was putting up good numbers
2022-05-19 15:15
I am sure device would have a better time than zywho
2022-05-19 14:10
#4
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Europe 0only1
Niko Zywoo Yekindar +2
2022-05-18 10:31
11 replies
Zywoo then gets abused by NiK0
2022-05-18 10:32
2 replies
sexually
2022-05-19 10:34
1 reply
+1
2022-05-19 16:10
#8
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Russia Vitaly59820
+Xyp9x +Aleksib
2022-05-18 10:33
7 replies
#14
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I have been saying this for a while. It should be been Xyp who went to Vitality, If they wanted to use Astralis's utility game. Not a Fan for AleksiB. Personally I think apEX is better.
2022-05-18 10:37
1 reply
Not sure if they could even buy him, magisk, dupreeh and zonic didn't resign their astralis contracts, xyp9x is still under contract at astralis (ez moneybags for him lol)
2022-05-19 15:03
#15
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Netherlands PawnyCS
no wtf.
2022-05-18 10:37
4 replies
Why not?
2022-05-18 10:38
What part of that do u disagree with? Aleksi has been playing a bit bad lately and his calls aren’t the best. Also making niko entry is a terrible plan. apex is good but he’s unpredictable sometimes in a bad way. Like does dumb risky moves but I’d agree they apex is better than aleksi.
2022-05-18 11:41
2 replies
Xyp9x is washed up
2022-05-18 12:12
1 reply
i mean yeah hes not great. occasionally he does something which works out but i agree
2022-05-18 13:54
without dupree and mag. any team imo.
2022-05-19 13:12
Zywoo needs Kyojin
2022-05-18 10:31
There's no many better teams on scene. Faze imo only option.
2022-05-18 10:32
11 replies
Also I don't think Xiwu speaks English too good
2022-05-18 10:33
3 replies
Judging from the interviews I've seen of him, his english is fine
2022-05-18 10:34
1 reply
But when he played FPL with s1mple, it wasn't that great. When he is just talking to someone it's fine, but when he needs to give a fast info in stress situation it turns into frenglish
2022-05-19 10:42
He probably speaks it well enough
2022-05-18 10:34
#42
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Europe everybodyz
u want to kick broky? much poo poo brain??? Most consistent player on Faze! ! ! ! !
2022-05-18 11:45
6 replies
Zywoo >> Broky + i only said it is only option for him
2022-05-18 11:48
5 replies
#45
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Europe everybodyz
Stats don't mean shit. Broky is like a pillar for faze and you trynna put a tank instead of the pillar. Shit don't work like that. The team would have to completely change the way they play to fit Zywoo in, which is a gamble as you don't know if they would be successful in doing so. No reason for Faze to gamble on such a move when they are rated nr. 1 right now. If they were barely top 10 then yeah, understandable.
2022-05-18 11:52
4 replies
"Only option for HIM" I also don't think Faze needs any changes.
2022-05-18 11:54
Won't matter because you can put karrigan with some tier 2 shitters and he will make a top 5 team at the very least out of it
2022-05-19 14:08
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#95
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Europe everybodyz
tru Karrigan too op
2022-05-19 14:10
Hahaha no
2022-05-19 14:24
Could be also a language thing, are there many other good young French players anymore?
2022-05-18 10:35
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#20
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
2022-05-18 10:40
2 replies
edit: my pc ass
2022-05-19 13:16
1 reply
#88
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
whoops. Wrong comment at wrong forum. I dont even remember what comment i was pointing too XD Most likely #18
2022-05-19 13:18
#13
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Belgium Soldierce
I think zonic is forcing zywoo to play different, more passive
2022-05-18 10:35
3 replies
it just comes from that apex interview saying ZywOo needs to watch blameF demos. ZywOo actually was the most aggressive high tier awper before (hltv.org/news/33440/is-the-modern-awper-..) see second graph. I could never imagine him doing that Inferno banana 4k entry that he did at cs_summit nowadays. It's so sad. He doesn't even really bait cause he's not even trading, he's just behind the whole pack every time
2022-05-18 10:42
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#30
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Belgium Soldierce
jup and the only moment he gets the chance to show his real skill is when he's allowed to try a clutch
2022-05-18 10:50
So weird how meta changes or what a different position/ role does to you. Remember when zywoo had like 1.5+ avg rating on inferno, he was the king of banana only slightly challenged by yekindar and Niko. I think its time to fully ppay aeound zywoo, give him the positions, roles and freedom he needs and wants. He wont bait 4 ppl but he will read the game and get you entries. Then you have the experienced danes to clutch out the rounds imo that could be worth a shot. Let zywoo do zywoo things, get him into the zone, then he can take over games on his own. I think vitality, G2, Navi, all those teams with an incredible player shouldnt try to make everyone shine, they just need solid players that can close out rounds your star player gifted you advantages in. However i feel like you uave to hold zywoo back a bit, otherwise he woupd just entry. But lets see what vitality come up with for the next tournaments, i just want to see those big stars like zywoo, s1mple, niko etc with all the freedom they need to drop 30 every other game. They are the best for years now for a reason. Let them do their thing, dont make zywoo play like device and dont make device play like zywoo. Every player has a different style
2022-05-18 12:04
Vita will swap dupreeh and magisk with jackz and amanek and save both teams
2022-05-18 10:38
2 replies
Would be a really good move. I never understood why Vita didn't just get AmaneK instead of Kyojin.
2022-05-18 12:00
1 reply
CEO has LoL brain and there's only international teams there, he doesn't understand comms are important in CS
2022-05-18 13:44
#18
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I think its more about style amalgamation. French CS is/was a very Aggro, brute force style CS. Danish CS is very methodical. Till they dont find the right mix. It will be tough for both Zywoo and apEX.
2022-05-18 10:39
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#29
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France Guilsz_
I mean just look at how Vitality made their Ovp T side succes: running over Heroic, dupreeh apEx and misutaaa can be amazing players for running, doing entries and snowball on a map (not yesterday tho)
2022-05-18 10:49
7 replies
#32
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I have hopes for them. They can be either Back to Back Major championship winning team or PSG of CSGO. all the star power of europe still no champions league.
2022-05-18 10:53
5 replies
#35
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France Guilsz_
G2 are more PSG than Vitality tbh
2022-05-18 11:01
4 replies
#44
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Currently. most definitely. But Vitality has potential to be one too. Lets see, How they proceed. I hope Gla1ve realize that he is shit without zonic and zonic realises he is shit without gla1ve and Astralis realises they need their piece back. Sell Konfig and BlameF for shit tonne of money. Get device back and Astralis old, redefining meta again. God that would be awesome. XD
2022-05-18 11:48
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#46
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France Guilsz_
that is very delusional from you mens x) being honest Vitality only showed improvement since Katowice and EPL, G2 are doing the opposite. dupreeh was the most impactful player before the major magisk has been good lately misutaaa did a good major too apEX a bit inconsistent and has to work on the calls ZywOo needs to find his way in the team the real problem is the map pool and the players don't hitting the shots not the team itself
2022-05-18 11:52
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#49
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Very very delusional indeed. XD Ya, Vitality is promising. apEX did mention comms are bit off as Astra duo and Vita Trio have different understanding of the games. so each reacts separately to the same situation causing chaos in a situation. It should get better as they play together more.
2022-05-18 11:55
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#64
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France Guilsz_
yes let's hope it's only little problems
2022-05-18 14:06
-apex +art -zonic +guerri We are best tside ever lmao
2022-05-18 11:00
If we compare NiKo has same ratings in all the stats you linked, although it's obvious he dropped from last year. Btw, both teams are adapting, not just to new teammates (and new language for vit), but they are trying to change a bit their play style, so it's normal their map pools are not strong and both stars suffer from it because they are on different positions and sometimes the team looks disconnected, specially on ideas of what to do. If they keep roster, both will be top dogs by next major.
2022-05-18 10:41
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#22
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Very true. A few caster have been mentioning how will zonic and apex mix danish and french CS Styles. Personally I think it takes good 1 year before team is completely viable. I am look at Astralis after Magisk joined. They struggled to get their footing right for almost an year. but once they did.... Boom back to back majors.
2022-05-18 10:43
2 replies
No they didnt Magisk joined after boston major in like february And they win first tourney at marseille in domimant fashion in april
2022-05-18 10:46
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#31
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
You got that Right. They were very dominant from Marseille.
2022-05-18 10:51
Yeah people don't understand that when you get 2 new players and a new coach who have played very different CS than you have in the past 3-4 years, it will take time until you get all your positions and playstyles right. If they don't rush and make big changes to the team I think Zywoo (and the rest of the team) will find their footing 2nd half of 2022.
2022-05-18 10:47
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Yep, hltv mens would change team everytime someone gets a bad map, although they didn't took the best assets we already saw how faze struggled while changing players every 4 months after karrigan and until NiKo left. Vitality and G2 have a plan and good coach+players, give them time
2022-05-18 10:57
I think you need to build your team a bit around how your star player wants to play or plays best. If you have an aggressive player like zywoo let him take Initiative sometimes, get him rolling. He rrads the game so well when he is playing his own, he is one of the smartest player to touch the game
2022-05-18 12:07
2 replies
They will - zonic is still trying to make this team work as methodical as prime Astralis were, but he's a very smart coach and will realize soon that he needs to give Zywoo more freedom.
2022-05-19 08:25
1 reply
and that apex cant call or play that style, look at him play. He plays off timings, just wideswings out when he feels like. No way he could call like prime astralis glaive
2022-05-19 10:18
Neither Niko or Zywoo will be winning a major anytime soon unless serious changes are made
2022-05-18 10:43
2 replies
Niko has everything he needs. He was underperforming so it is his problem, not team's.
2022-05-18 11:04
1 reply
why
2022-05-18 11:28
I'm ok with you, apex doesn't use zywoo full power ... so sad
2022-05-18 10:43
#26
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United States caliprep
lol, Niko and Zywoo have everything that they need its just that they can't step it up and take their team to the next level, sorry if you can't accept that reality.
2022-05-18 10:47
I have no clue, but it seems to me Zywoo started at pro cs as an actual kid. He has some growing up to do, and it's only natural it will take (some of) his attention off from counter-strike, at least for a while. If he was less good, perhaps he wouldn't, but because he's so awesome it won't really hurt his carreer so it's absolutely the right choice. I feel bad and sad for kids like Neymar Jr. who was an infant slave in my opinion.
2022-05-18 11:23
#39
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Finland Perska
Niko raised his rating.
2022-05-18 11:25
#51
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
ZywOo transitioned from being an aggressive AWP player to a more passive one, he also doesn't solo-carry anymore and the interview stated this: Vitality doesn't want to rely on only one player to constantly bail them out. Eventually ZywOo will become accustomed to an international style and god help other teams when that turns out to be the case. As it stands currently, ZywOo isn't performing to the standard of his older self for whatever reason that may be but he still shows flavours of it here and there.
2022-05-18 11:58
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dupreeh we dont wanna rely on one guy also dupreeh 2 3 15
2022-05-18 12:12
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#60
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Dupreeh is still a beast and a capable fragger, though. He has bailed Vitality out of a few sticky situations on more than one occasion.
2022-05-18 12:59
1 reply
not in major and he isnt beast half of kills from timings
2022-05-18 14:09
#72
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Slovakia CRMN1
"ZywOo transitioned from being an aggressive AWP player to a more passive one, he also doesn't solo-carry anymore and the interview stated this: Vitality doesn't want to rely on only one player to constantly bail them out." I agree, but I think this might've been a mistake from Vitality's side. By nerfing ZywOo's freedom to take initiative to find entries and make round-winning plays, you're taking away on of his best abilities. We've always seen the greatest players from a skillset standpoint have this freedom, because they are the main difference makers in their respective teams, and when you have a player as strong as zywoo in your team, the thing you'd wanna do the least is limiting him. This is obviously not ideal for ZywOo as an individual but forget that. I don't think Vitality will love the outcome of this on the long term. As a fan, I obviously hope the tables turn but I feel like this is one of the situations where the coach and the remaining players have to just sit down and realize: Ok, we have a golden weapon by our side, we don't wanna make a whole system around him, but we might be making a good bet letting him do his thing in his own freedom and comfort instead and not let him be the one to adapt, because imo at the end of the day you gotta prioritize the most important pieces of the puzzle, not the other way around, and making him look like your common 5th player does in fact limit their round winning probabilities, like it or not. As #59 suggests though, and hopefully so, we still haven't seen the peak of this project yet.
2022-05-19 10:38
1 reply
Fair points made. :) I agree, hopefully we have yet to see this project flourish - it definitely has all the flavours and ingredients to be a Major winning team, we just have to see them utilise them to pure perfection.
2022-05-19 21:27
#59
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Denmark Kon10R
We haven't seen the top ceiling of the Vitastrality project yet.
2022-05-18 12:15
#63
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Brazil bronly4
vit just needs zywoo and 4 humble frenchies with good aim and they will be back on top 5
2022-05-18 13:57
Orgs might start realizing that roster changes and team-building are two entirely different endeavors
2022-05-18 14:17
#75
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Slovakia CRMN1
To be honest, I knew he was far behind his former self but I didn't expect this low of a rating. ZywOo was by far the best pistol round player we had in 2020 and 2021. From that to a barely positive pistol round rating in 2022... it's crazy.
2022-05-19 10:43
its all because they speak engliah. its 2022 alo,communication is the most important thing in this game. apex also had to switch calling from french to english
2022-05-19 13:10
ZywOo and apex are killing ZywOo Imagine having ur star player carrying the bomb in T, and not playing rotation in CT (thanks apex)
2022-05-19 13:14
NIKO STAR PLAYER XDDDDDDDDDD
2022-05-19 13:15
hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. jesus he was owning on tside =O
2022-05-19 13:17
Vitality is always shit at the first 6 months of the year for whatever reason, look at the stats
2022-05-19 14:10
#97
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Brazil sprk1
SAVE ZYWOO
2022-05-19 14:36
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