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CPH Flames for way UNDER 500k
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Denmark quasivacuum 
twitter.com/dvorborg/status/152671452792.. Apparently u can buy the team for way less than 500k. That is just insane. Meanwhile teams see nothing wrong with throwing $2.1m after ONE player on a totally unproven team (he wasnt even the last missing piece on an already good team) here you know EXACTLY what youre getting for "way less than 500k" and its a FULL team, not just 1 player Outrageous that orgs arent fighting over being the first to make this insane scoop Astralis shouldve bought the entire team when they had the chance when zonic/dupreeh/magisk left
2022-05-18 13:56
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people assumed they're just a fluke, and they'll go back to tier 2 afterwards it's a lot harder to say that now though, so let's see what happens after the major astralis -xyp + ???
2022-05-18 13:58
6 replies
Probs valde
2022-05-18 16:57
4 replies
soooo.... -washed +washed?
2022-05-18 17:30
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#128
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United States kami917
2022-05-18 17:46
2 replies
1.11 rating vs tier 2/3. Only good result O.G had recently was back in February where they beat ENCE 2-0. Since then, it's either been being hammered by good teams or doing okay vs tier 2/3. He's washed.
2022-05-18 17:54
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#136
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United States kami917
9 maps top 10 opponents, 1.14 rating, better than his t2/t3 rating
2022-05-18 17:57
they did go back to tier 2 and didnt even consistently win there
2022-05-18 17:57
they should ask for more 100%
2022-05-18 13:58
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#9
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Denmark quasivacuum
Yeah and even more so now, oh u didnt want us when u had the chance? Take us for 1.2m now then. It would be easy for Flames to get WAY more for that squad, the only problem is they have weak negotiation power because they cant really afford to sit on the players, its like 5 expensive assets with an underfunded org behind them and thats why orgs can basically get this team for peanuts
2022-05-18 14:02
the demand went up after they qualified for play-offs, imagine if they won it all LOL
2022-05-18 14:03
Nobody in the history of Counterstrike ever paid 2.1 million for one player. Get your facts straight
2022-05-18 13:59
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#5
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Europe XAXAXAXA27
Es3tag His buyout was 2.1m I think Not sure tho
2022-05-18 14:00
2 replies
No, the 2.1 million included 3 whole years of salary, his buyout was 500k(which was still too much in hindsight but what can you do)
2022-05-18 14:00
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#17
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Norway Okiko
+1
2022-05-18 14:06
Cloud 9 did that. The total deal was $2.1m for 3 years in which the buyout is included, which is insane on its own, but Es3tag wasnt even the only player that was insanely overpaid, ALEX had a $1.7m deal and woxic $1.3m, so its even worse when you lay out all the cards. Insane contracts for unproven mid players on an unproven team.
2022-05-18 14:10
27 replies
No, the 2.1 million included 3 whole years of salary which makes the comparison to buying CPH Flames completely invalid. C9 never paid 2.1 million for Es3tag, neither for anyone else on the team.
2022-05-18 14:15
26 replies
False. The total deal was, correctly, $2.1m. Its true that this $2.1m deal includes both the buyout and 3 years salary. Es3tags buyout alone is more than the buyout for all 5 flames players, and so is the salary, the comparison is totally valid.
2022-05-18 14:20
25 replies
Es3tags buyout is exactly the same as for all the 5 flames players. If you had made that comparison, then I wouldn't have said anything. But you didn't do that, you said 2.1 million, so if you want to make this comparison, then add 3 years of salary for 5 players + coach to the equation and you are closer to 5 million, then you can compare it to the 2.1 million that Es3tag was meant to cost. Edit: not quite correct about Es3tag's buyout since it's 500k and CPH Flames is something less than that.
2022-05-18 14:22
14 replies
No its not the same, CPH Flames buyout is way under 500k. And why would u add salary of the coach? Theyre not buying their coach, lol. But sure! We can add woxics alexs floppys and meziis and we can compare them
2022-05-18 14:27
13 replies
I already edited that part. Again, my issue is not that you are comparing C9 and CPH, my issue is that you are comparing buyout against buyout + 3 years of salary.
2022-05-18 14:29
12 replies
Its a $2.1m total deal for buyout + salary. Its not hard to understand. Youre still giving salary to a guy who is unproven and where u dont know whats in store for the future for this team. Its a deal full of uncertainty.
2022-05-18 14:32
11 replies
are you ignoring what I am saying on purpose or just don't understand it?
2022-05-18 14:34
4 replies
2022-05-18 14:38
1 reply
I'm assuming bad faith then, peace 🦧
2022-05-18 14:39
He is just stupid.
2022-05-18 17:32
#139
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Denmark slacking
imagine arguing with that tool
2022-05-18 17:59
The 2.1m werent even outrageous numbers, c9 went public about contract details however. You cant rrally compare the total money put into es3tags buyout + 3 years contract to the buyout of the flames. If you wanted to compare thr total sum of 2.1m to the flames, youd have to know what contracts the players demand in order to transfer to another org. Maybe the players want 1m each month as salary (obviously not), then the flames are much more expensive than es3tag
2022-05-18 14:48
5 replies
If u dont think 2.1m is outrageous then I dont know what else to tell you. Bye!
2022-05-18 17:20
4 replies
Its only outrageous because you dont know other teams contracts. EG players propably earn more than es3tag did or the same but es3tag was literally wanted by many teams at the time. I doubt that many big orgs wanted to buy out EG players
2022-05-18 17:23
2 replies
I mean, if EG players make more than all Astralis players, then youre right. I think I know other team contracts than you. You can get way more for way less.
2022-05-18 17:27
1 reply
Yes but es3tag looked like the next big star on the astralis lineup ao it made sense to get him for big money:). Also the salaries where pretty normal for auch a big org. C9 is one of the biggest orgs i believe, they dont give a fuck about those 30k a month imo
2022-05-18 18:07
Do you think Vitality, G2, Astralis, Liquid etc. Just pay their stars only 5k a month lol?
2022-05-18 17:24
Dude you cant compare just a buyout price with buyout + 3 years of salary. Cph for 3 years would cost hell of a lot more.
2022-05-18 15:02
9 replies
Don't bother arguing with quasivacuum One of the most brain dead hltv users
2022-05-18 15:38
1 reply
Only vacuum is in his head tho
2022-05-18 15:43
Hell of a lot more than what? Hell of a lot more than their buyout price of WAY UNDER 500k or way more than es3tags price? Because if its the latter youre completely wrong.
2022-05-18 17:20
6 replies
3 years contract for 5 players + coach. Ofc thats gonna be more than 2.1m. flames propably wont accept offers for some lower tier salary
2022-05-18 17:25
3 replies
They will. If they could make 10k a month theyd happily take it.
2022-05-18 17:29
2 replies
If they accept a contract for 10k each it will 2.3m with a 500k buyout. Then you need to pay the coach and 10k imo is not even what they would earn in a big org, surely COL for example couldve payed more, especially if they found success
2022-05-18 18:09
1 reply
The buyout is NOT 500k
2022-05-18 18:11
Than es3tag. Even the 10k you mentioned for 3 years is already 1.8 million, and I'm pretty sure thats a lowball in todays standards. + Atleast 300k buyout and its even. And theres actually no way in hell you can get them for that cheap after making playoffs.
2022-05-18 17:54
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thats not at all low ball, CPH Flames players would be happy with a salary in that ballpark, very happy And there is a way youre getting them for that lol, theyve literally tried to sell them for that and this might finally be when theyre succesful in making it happen
2022-05-18 17:58
#4
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Brazil bronly4
why no one picking those guys? i mean they value more than that even before antwerp
2022-05-18 14:00
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#77
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United States 130IQ
If I was millionaire id buy
2022-05-18 14:54
some ppl said they're asking for 10k salary for each player but still make no sense since some players from EG have 3 digits salary and didnt qualified to major
2022-05-18 15:21
2 replies
Almost all the pros are making 10k and some are making 20 to 50k a month so it's not unreasonable for them to get paid that.
2022-05-18 15:27
1 reply
EG should have picked them up, cant get any worse than current team....
2022-05-18 16:13
#7
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CIS CIS_ERA
fnatic what doink???? bench ur entire roster and buy Flames with the money of Brollan thx
2022-05-18 14:01
6 replies
+1 the money from selling mezzi/alex would probably cover at least 1/2 of falmes
2022-05-18 14:03
2 replies
Brollan = 1 falmes roster. Wasn’t brollan sold for 400 or 500k
2022-05-18 18:41
1 reply
#147
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Indonesia sembodo
750k
2022-05-18 18:45
+1
2022-05-18 14:11
#101
jabbi | 
Poland czan
+1 best option for fnatic right now
2022-05-18 16:23
+1 so fnatic can be a respectable csgo org again
2022-05-18 17:59
why Flames need to be sold?
2022-05-18 14:01
29 replies
#11
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CIS CIS_ERA
they are a small org that develops players to sell them. Flames roster is too good to be there and probably they cant pay the salary that these guys deserves to earn
2022-05-18 14:02
10 replies
damn they are just intermediates trying to contract FPL players, make a team and sell those players to 'big' teams?
2022-05-18 14:08
8 replies
#43
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Denmark Saithz
Well not strictly They scout danish talent and turn them into real pros yeah, but not necesarilly with the intention to sell from the getgo. However Flames' current squad has become too good like #11 said and they demand a higher salary than Flames can pay
2022-05-18 14:22
5 replies
ok thanks for the interesting info, didn't know all that. I like the team a lot but I understand they want to get paid for what they achieve. Although they probably already earn a lot more monthly than I ever will even with 2 master degrees.
2022-05-18 14:23
4 replies
I dont think flames are paying well conpared to other orgs, they dont have the capacities for that. However they did win some nice price money. From what ive heard flames is just a small org but its full of wholesome, nice ppl which makes it worth working with them. However the flames players seem way too good for sich little payment if you compare their assumed salary with other teams inside top 20/30
2022-05-18 14:50
3 replies
what is their assumed salary?
2022-05-18 14:55
2 replies
The one I assumed, id say its comparable to a decent job, enough to live a nice life but not enough to secure your future or live a life in luxury. But thats just my assumption based on things ive heard
2022-05-18 16:53
i read somewhere there salaries increased to 5k a month after stockholm major. before that it was like 1k or around that area
2022-05-18 17:28
"FPL players" Obviously you don't know anything about the Danish scene :)
2022-05-18 15:19
1 reply
ok sorry
2022-05-18 15:20
The CEO on twitter has been fairly clear about this, and states that they even have worse support systems then other Top 15 teams. Flames themselves as an Org admit that, and want their players to go on to bigger and better things. Then re-invest selling money into Danish Scene for new young talents and giving them them the same chance they gave this group. And now more then ever they are proven to be successful so even more potential talents will see them as a good route to Pro. Especially if they sell Nicodooz/Zyphon to a big name.
2022-05-18 14:16
I kinda explain it in #9 because Flames dont have a lot of liquidity or money to consistently pay the players what theyre actually worth
2022-05-18 14:04
8 replies
maybe if they win tournaments and other stuff or get a big investor who sees the worth they can just become a big org?
2022-05-18 14:08
7 replies
I wouldve thought so too, but according to Vorborg twitter.com/dvorborg/status/152667343947.. Something like stickers dont even rake in enough money. Which surprises me. Because ive always thought that prize pools for major is weak af, $1m distributed between several teams and then shared between players, its kinda weak, but then on the other hand ive always thought that stickers were just completely insane for the org and that qualifying for a major means much more than winning it in terms of money. But apparently its not enough.
2022-05-18 14:14
6 replies
yeah that's quite strange to see indeed, as I saw the Flames stickers were selling the best. Damn that's hard
2022-05-18 14:21
2 replies
IIRC it doesnt matter how well your stickers sell, its only the capsule that youre in that each team gets the same cut of. Kinda bad in a way? But I guess its to redistribute the money a bit better, because otherwise more popular teams make more money than less popular teams, but I dont rlly see a problem with that because I thought it raked in so much money any way + I kinda like that you can buy stickers of your favorite team to support them financially as well, but that kinda goes out the window if its just the capsule.
2022-05-18 14:30
1 reply
ah didn't know that. I thought indeed that you could support your favourite team directly, not the others as well
2022-05-18 14:41
#51
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Denmark Saithz
Stickers do bring in an insane amount of money, around $200k just for the players qualifying according to a dexerto report. I think you should read it as yeah we get sticker money, but so do the other orgs (just more sticker money because more fans) and they also have sponsorships, merchandise, history and maybe other game divisions etc they earn alot of money on, which CPF don't.
2022-05-18 14:27
2 replies
Also you need to remember that 200k is not that much if you need to pay salary 5 players and support staff and everythin else. Well of course we dont know exact numbers or what kind of contracts they have. That 200k was just considering if stickers money would be divided to everyone equally
2022-05-18 14:41
1 reply
Also the 40% tax in denmark :)
2022-05-18 17:11
the same reason why USG players will be sold to Antwerp or Anderlecht next year, despite the former being a better team
2022-05-18 14:16
8 replies
I mean they don't HAVE to, the people in this post make it seem like Flames WANT to sell those players. Union doesn't want to
2022-05-18 14:20
7 replies
Well, the flames players haven't signed any new contracts since the last major (at least, probably before that) so there's a big possibility that they might just not resign and leave for free. The org doesn't want that and therefore is incentivized to sell them for profit
2022-05-18 14:21
6 replies
Kinda harsh from the players imo. Flames scouted them, contracted them, gave them a chance and then to leave for free lol.
2022-05-18 14:24
5 replies
Yeah, sure, but the co-owner has already said that they tried to accomodate the players regarding a bigger salary etc, but that cannot be possible with how much the big orgs are offering, so for me it seems that they already made up their mind
2022-05-18 14:25
1 reply
yes I see, money rules everything this time. And I myself would probably go for the big bucks as well, with a cs career which only lasts until 30 approximately. Just sad
2022-05-18 14:27
No the players love Vorborg and dont want to f him over either. And theyre also loyal to eachother. This is why they dont just walk out on him at first chance.
2022-05-18 14:37
2 replies
damn I think I am beginning to become a fan
2022-05-18 14:39
1 reply
<3
2022-05-18 17:33
north revival????
2022-05-18 14:02
1 reply
FC Copenhagen dont have no money either for esports lmao which is why they pulled the plug
2022-05-18 16:20
#15
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Albania noajdi
So are you telling me BNE was not the only team orgless ? why they kept sayin that bne is the only orgless team at major ?
2022-05-18 14:04
4 replies
#16
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CIS CIS_ERA
?? they are an org
2022-05-18 14:06
2 replies
it's a player founded org, they'll probably look to sign with a bigger org after the major
2022-05-18 14:08
1 reply
CPHF is not a player founded org the org just doesn’t have the money to pay them as much as they should be paid
2022-05-18 18:54
BNE was the only team that was orgless. Copenhagen Flames want to sell their team but the team is still contracted with them, so not orgless
2022-05-18 14:06
500k is already ridicilous 200 years ago this would be a slave auction.
2022-05-18 14:07
1 reply
l0l
2022-05-18 14:15
#23
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Brazil Uzem
I think it's cause they don't make money. Like, 0 titles and not so many fans to engage. Not attractive to big orgs, despite being a good team
2022-05-18 14:09
4 replies
lmao they are farming millions of dollars what the f are you talking about
2022-05-18 14:15
3 replies
#32
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Brazil Uzem
2022-05-18 14:16
they don't get close to millions
2022-05-18 14:17
1 reply
why the f do you send me link of liquipedia mate what is this? do you know that orgs make money not only from prize pool of tournaments? and two times in a row appearance on major considering stickers and signatures would make the organization and players literally dollar milionaires? or i have to explain it
2022-05-18 14:34
Cs is dying, none wants to invest
2022-05-18 14:12
its pretty hard to invest in cs, pretty sure a lot of cs departament in orgs work in negative
2022-05-18 14:15
There must be an underlying issue on why this team has not had any offers. I was fully expecting that Col was going to buy this team but they wanted to get a NA roster which is understandable considering their venture with an international team fell apart. However, I think orgs are very cautious about buying a Danish team considering you have 2 other teams in Herioc and Astralis who might be interested in poaching a player or two with big bucks to get them and then you'll be replacing 1/2 players every time the big Dane sides come for your players.
2022-05-18 14:16
1 reply
it's totally normal to be skeptical about that roster until now. they had a great run in stockholm, but before that they were in tier 2 alongside teams like ecstatic, skade, havu, etc. who could tell that the stockholm wasn't a fluke? if a team like CoL (or even worse, non louvre pact orgs) invested in them only for them to never make it to another major and stay in tier 2 forever, that'd be a monumental waste of money. that bad run of form from novemeber until february also tanked their demand, I'd bet. however, they keep proving that their run wasn't a fluke and interest for this side will skyrocket, I'm sure
2022-05-18 15:36
#37
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United Kingdom Aqishimaaa
rmbr when complexity were gonna buy this roster then they decided to pull the plug and buy shitty ES roster instead...
2022-05-18 14:18
tsm and 100T ??
2022-05-18 14:24
1 reply
vorborg approached to them as well
2022-05-18 14:35
guys 2 weeks ago i say to Nicodoos in team what we doing here look at us lineup and we both start pepega lauging 🙂 now we 9 in world 🙂
2022-05-18 14:27
#52
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Netherlands Venicious
Remember when complexity was in talks with them? look waht they have now xD
2022-05-18 14:28
2 replies
xDDD
2022-05-18 14:33
#103
jabbi | 
Poland czan
0iq move from col. never trust NA
2022-05-18 16:24
#59
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Romania Ghostpawn
astralis must buy nicodoz and jabbi, for their skill 200k is nothing
2022-05-18 14:34
6 replies
they only need valde , farlig is decent enough
2022-05-18 14:43
2 replies
nicodoz > farlig everyday also jabbi isntead of xypex and they are set for top 10
2022-05-18 14:44
1 reply
yes when it comes to the awp , farlig is far better with the rifle,pistol..
2022-05-18 14:48
they should get zyphon, his roles match perfectly with xyp9x
2022-05-18 15:36
2 replies
#97
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Bulgaria Flawstr1ke
Yeah, I don't think he will want to go back to Astralis again, after their talent team let him go and didn't believe in him.
2022-05-18 16:09
1 reply
pretty sure he wanted himself to go, no? which makes sense if he wasn't gonna join the main team anytime soon
2022-05-18 18:29
#67
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Poland iOFF
full team meanwhile m0nesy 600 k lel
2022-05-18 14:43
Great example of roster outgrowing their Organization. Fantastic work from the boys i root for them. Roster made from FOUR players that couldnt even break #50 in their teams and RoeJ. Damn thats some development right there. Also Zyphon is a steal from Astralis Academy. GJGJGJG
2022-05-18 14:44
Currently I'm seeing 2 good Major performances and nothing inbetween, they have to do better at other events if they want to get signed
2022-05-18 14:44
5 replies
"2 good Major performances and nothing inbetween, they have to do better at other events if they want to get signed" 💀 Man its Major playoff team. Major > any other tournament
2022-05-18 14:45
3 replies
Doing good at a Major and then shitting the bed in t3 tournaments just isn't profitable if the team doesn't have a huge fanbase
2022-05-18 14:50
2 replies
idk they are #14 before major and last major was more than 3 months ago
2022-05-18 14:56
they probably don't care about t3 tournaments because they wont be winning anything out of that, perhaps even sell the matches. possible for small teams to do since they don't get money any other way. it would explain why they are bad on online t3 tournaments
2022-05-18 14:57
#99
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Bulgaria Flawstr1ke
They are a scary team on LAN, but not good at all online, and that's why they don't win those t2 - t3 online tournaments or BLAST. Apart from that, I think they are a bit inconsistent as well, and my take is on Zyphon and nicodooz. Especially nicodooz is too agressive sometimes, and gets killed easily because of that. Combine that 4 vs 5s with having Hooxi (igl, who in my opinion is comparable to karrigan when we are talking about firepower) and you get 3 vs 5s.
2022-05-18 16:15
lmao even EG + COL + Liquid are all WELLL over 500k and they are completely meme teams
2022-05-18 14:56
1 reply
#102
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India taco9873
Only if COL signed CPH Flames...
2022-05-18 16:23
Either DiG or some other org long forgotten will buy them after the major just watch If they beat ENCE it's assured
2022-05-18 14:58
#84
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CIS CIS_ERA
any smart org should invest in them. If results starts being worse they can sell nicoodoz, jabbi or zyphon individually for some good money. nicoodoz is probably the best danish awper right now, jabbi is a great rifler and zyphon is great too
2022-05-18 15:13
brb selling my house and hiring a shit shack so I can buy and store cph falmes
2022-05-18 15:27
2 replies
when i say 🙂falmes you say 🙂falmes
2022-05-18 15:38
1 reply
falmes 🙂
2022-05-18 17:02
#95
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Argentina Tegu619
complexity should have bought them instead of na tier extra salt
2022-05-18 15:57
can't wait for Danish DIG again
2022-05-18 16:07
theyre still out here losing to tier 2/3 teams like bluejays, heet, k23, ec kyiv, skade idk could be a big risk maybe its worth taking maybe not
2022-05-18 16:36
#105
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Libya Gebruel
Gaules was joking about buying them and bringing back g3x
2022-05-18 16:39
2 replies
Wish he wasnt joking. Would be nice to see them backed by a BR org :D
2022-05-18 17:24
Gaules is earning that a month he should do it lmfao
2022-05-18 17:48
complexity made a mistake
2022-05-18 17:28
1 reply
Indeed
2022-05-18 17:32
I'd say around 2m dollars is fair for that team
2022-05-18 17:32
#127
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Denmark nicram64
Echo Fox - you heard it here first
2022-05-18 17:44
Astralis need to buy CPH Flames for $400k or however low they could get them Then rebuild roster from there maybe -hooxi, zyphon to academy then replace those two with k0nfig and blamef
2022-05-18 17:47
1 reply
Keep in mind they lost to EC Kyiv, SKADE, BLUEJAYS, K23 and Akimbo in 2022 so I think the price should reflect that
2022-05-18 17:52
Copenhagen Falmes is the type of team to dissappear after major and not do anything not good for sponsors
2022-05-18 17:53
1 reply
lol major is the best scene for sponsors + theres stickers + theres a major every 5 months. The other way around is way worse, showing up for any tournament but not showing up to the major, because major is by far the most important and biggest scene
2022-05-18 18:00
It will go up now that they have reached playoffs
2022-05-18 18:43
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