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liquid -shox almost confirmed
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France possup 
dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/sourc.. "French CS:GO player Richard “shox” Papillon will likely leave the Team Liquid roster at his request, multiple sources told Dot Esports."
2022-05-19 23:53
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#1
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United States Mattador424
I love Shox but this move is best for both parties. Now Liquid can focus on getting either Floppy, Jks, Yekindar, or Blamef.
2022-05-19 23:56
27 replies
jks!!
2022-05-19 23:57
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no way Yekindar or blameF ever go to Liquid
2022-05-20 00:01
13 replies
I know it is not likely. But Liquids can offer more money than any other team can. The reasons I thought of Blamef is because he is obviously fine with traveling/ living in NA evidenced by his time in Dallas with Complexity. Not only that, I imagine he isn't very happy that he literally carried his team vs Liquid but none of his teammates could do anything to help him. Again, it's not likely, but there is still a chance.
2022-05-20 00:05
12 replies
#28
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Romania Andreyl33t
2nd sentence describes whole NA scene and NA itself
2022-05-20 00:07
2 replies
#61
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Fiji Watamelon
xd
2022-05-20 00:51
+1
2022-05-20 15:23
I'm not saying this to shit on NA btw, I just think it's much more likely he'd want to have some roster change in Astralis before he considers going to another team. As for Yeki I think if he's gonna go to an english speaking team it's gonna be some european mix.
2022-05-20 00:08
8 replies
You are probably right, but I am just holding out on some hope because I think that Blame is an infinitely better lurker than Shox and think a trio of Elige Naf and Blame would be sick. I truly believe that he will stay with Astralis but can hope otherwise
2022-05-20 00:12
7 replies
Yeah, Liquid has some potential. Too bad the shox mvoe didn't work out, I'm sure under different circumstances it could've worked out.
2022-05-20 00:13
elige naf and floppy/oBo would be sick too though jks wants to stay in EU afaik though and yekindar probably has more interesting offers
2022-05-20 00:29
5 replies
Liquid is in EU for like 3/4 of the year anyway so I don't really see that as a huge issue. Plus it would be much easier to get Jks as I'm sure Complexity is looking to get rid of him. Not to mention, they probably want to hold on to Floppy as he was clearly their best player.
2022-05-20 00:36
4 replies
good point anyways i hope they can manage to get good again, feelsbad to see them like they've been the past year
2022-05-20 00:37
Yes Liquid go to EU for tournaments but the player are in NA most of the time. Shox said in an interview with french casters that because they are living in NA it was difficult for him to prac for example as he had 100 ping all the time + the fact that with RMR u are in EU for most of the time but u need to go to NA for 1 week and after u must travel again to compete in NA,
2022-05-20 00:49
2 replies
I thought Liquid stayed in the Alienware facility in the Netherlands for the most part? I am probably wrong though if shox said otherwise
2022-05-20 01:07
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#65
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Italy PhilD06
shox had to travel to NA to play NA tournaments + Liquid or NA teams in general have to sign a contract, the so called louvre agreement I think, not sure, and in this contract they need to play in NA for a certain amount of time, idk what happens if they ont do it but yeah
2022-05-20 15:21
yekindar and blameF boy you must be dreaming, hope it's gonna be big man floppa he needs saving from pug bots Complexity, would be a solid move for Liquid to try and work upwards again, shox is as big of a liability as is gets so should already be a big booster in terms of performance for Liquid
2022-05-20 00:03
I dont see how is it the best move for both parties, if shox was the best player on the team ?
2022-05-20 00:06
3 replies
He was not. He was inconsistent and horrible in some maps. He is not as bad as ppl pretend, but he plays average at best.
2022-05-20 00:08
2 replies
he was the reason Liquid got to Legend stage
2022-05-20 00:11
1 reply
#66
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Italy PhilD06
yeah after that they didnt play good tho, and most of the time shox didnt show up
2022-05-20 15:22
why would blameF go to NA , leaving his long time duo in k0nfig and with astralis getting better when they finally bnech xyp and get valde
2022-05-20 00:08
2 replies
I don't think that it is likely at all that Blame leaves Astralis but here are possible reasons why he might. 1. Liquid can pay him more than Astralis can. 2. He probably isn't too happy with his team after he was one of the highest-rated players in the challenger's stage but they still didn't advance (even after Blame dropped 40 frags against Liquid). 3. Blame obviously isn't against playing for a NA org after he lived in Dallas with Complexity.
2022-05-20 00:25
1 reply
at this stage when pros earn so much money, finance becomes 2nd hand. Players like blamef wanna focus more on actually winning some stuff rather than earning money, plus Astralis is still a good team considering they got farling and will most likely (or at least I hope) bench xypex
2022-05-20 00:28
#48
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Canada xeIa
did you just say baitf to liquid? no ty would rather play 4 man roster
2022-05-20 00:28
3 replies
Blamef is an infinitely better lurker than Shox. This would be a total upgrade
2022-05-20 00:32
2 replies
#56
NAF | 
Canada xeIa
dont want baitf ruining naf by baiting him every round
2022-05-20 00:36
#67
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Italy PhilD06
NAf could go back to lurking tjo and Liquid might sign a support
2022-05-20 15:23
#3
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Poland moonspell1
The thing is why did they even sign him lol
2022-05-19 23:57
8 replies
i am not sure but keeping naf was the reaon
2022-05-19 23:58
5 replies
#11
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Poland moonspell1
but NAF is rly good, one of the best NA players of all time
2022-05-20 00:00
4 replies
i mean they wanted to keep naf so they signed shox afaik
2022-05-20 00:00
3 replies
#16
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Poland moonspell1
lol shox is 1000 years past his prime, I don't see a reason to sign him for international team especially lol
2022-05-20 00:01
2 replies
he's not 1000 years past the prime but still a decent player that can fill many roles, it's just silly Liquid system that ruined him, Shox can so much to offer and yet was told to be a bait
2022-05-20 00:04
1 reply
#36
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Poland moonspell1
Seems like Liquid doesn't need star from the past but player like junior who will be the Fifflaren/devilwalk/TACO of the team and sometimes turn the mode where he's just decent
2022-05-20 00:10
from the way they talked about him, having an european player on their team was a huge boost for their work ethic and team structure, so I think that their plan was just to gather the knowledge
2022-05-20 00:17
1 reply
#45
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France HippzZ
+1
2022-05-20 00:27
liquid for floppy best option imo
2022-05-19 23:58
#5
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Netherlands OwenC123
TL are a good, consisentent lurker away from a contender team imo, blameF or yekindar would be best case scenerio but who knows what will happen
2022-05-19 23:58
10 replies
bruh you offered 2 opposite player for ever lmao
2022-05-19 23:59
7 replies
I think yekindar, BlameF, Karrigan or Zywoo could all fill the void. Liquid has a ton of options
2022-05-20 00:00
1 reply
lmao
2022-05-20 00:01
#44
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United States notawaffle
blameF does some lurking for astralis though
2022-05-20 00:26
#63
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Netherlands OwenC123
i mean NAF can become the lurker if they get another top rifler is what im saying
2022-05-20 13:44
3 replies
#70
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Italy PhilD06
wasnt NAF always the lurker until shox?
2022-05-20 15:24
2 replies
#71
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Netherlands OwenC123
yea thats what im saying
2022-05-20 17:01
1 reply
#72
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Italy PhilD06
oh ok nvm then
2022-05-20 17:17
Yekindar is not a lurker
2022-05-20 00:00
pls not baitF
2022-05-20 00:11
+jks
2022-05-19 23:59
That means quite a lot of more or less free (or who could be quickly) french players right now shox nbk kenny amanek coach malek ? Add 1 very good young talent to that (if it exists in french-speaking CS world) and it could be a french last dance maybe...
2022-05-20 00:01
10 replies
Kenny so massively washed up it's not even worth it. Just pick any french fplc star
2022-05-20 00:01
4 replies
not like other arent lmao
2022-05-20 00:02
Seems still ok on faceit. With appropriate training, 100% raw awp role and motivation and a french-speaking team could work imo. We said the same for fallen and kenny still younger.
2022-05-20 00:05
2 replies
Fair enough, I don't really check his faceit, last I'd heard he was playing more valorant than anything else ^^
2022-05-20 00:08
1 reply
True, no project for him. Just checked, he seems to still play CS recently though. Somehow it would be sad to finish his carrer on that or in valo. It's been years he's not in a french-speaking team also, could be an explanation in his dropping in ratings, like for many.
2022-05-20 00:16
bruh nobody in french scene likes nbk lmao
2022-05-20 00:03
Shox and Nbk hate eachother
2022-05-20 00:04
2 replies
it's been years, no ? Maybe it could be better now idk. Also, it's not like they have 150 opportunities for the next of their career.
2022-05-20 00:28
1 reply
Yeah good point , and i think the two now probably have a smaller ego.
2022-05-20 15:18
french last dance yeah, bring kioking back
2022-05-20 00:05
#26
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Finland Khroni
'at his request' imagine being the worst player on the roster yet its just so internally abysmal that of all things you would rather escape and risk your career ending premature
2022-05-20 00:06
4 replies
#33
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Portugal n0xiv4
Ngl I don't think it's entirely his fault. He changed his role completely, and with the rest of Liquid not being exactly fine individually (except NAF-FLY), it's quite hard for him to perform in a burning house. I guess it's a good move for both parties, although idk where in tier 1 can he fit
2022-05-20 00:09
1 reply
elige should swap to support and have YEKINDAR play star player
2022-05-20 00:10
bro what , shox had a great career and a long one , he is very professional in requisting to leave when he knows he is causing harm to the team unlike some player *cough* xyp *cough*
2022-05-20 00:12
1 reply
#49
RpK | 
France HippzZ
+1
2022-05-20 00:28
#51
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Poland V3ct
They need goat snax, ez major for liquid after that move
2022-05-20 00:30
quick reminder about shoxie and liquid situation from shox himself during the major : youtube.com/watch?v=qDkvqVgNZXY - He does not play the role he would like to play (Forcing to fix in ct, very little freedom in terrorist) - He would like a lot more freedom in his choices - He says that Nitro is an IGL who is not confident enough and far too hesitant, Nitro asks too many questions and does not make decisions, shox had too call for pistols and mid-round rotation, and he had to motivate the team. - The pracc in NA is very mediocre, he says it himself "NA scene is dead", American teams are forced to play in the USA to take advantage of aid, which prevents them from pracc in Europe. He says it himself "Playing in NA, u lost all your game level" - Finally, the ultra-charged rhythm, he himself says that in 11 years he has never been so overloaded in terms of play (esl, iem dallas, qualifier, major..) -shox was also doing a prematch preparation to gives tips and tricks to is teammate , which is the role of an analyst
2022-05-20 00:32
2 replies
damn, this is bad, this is really bad
2022-05-20 00:42
1 reply
not that much but liquid need to practice in EU and change their coach maybe
2022-05-20 00:48
#54
Twistzz | 
United States Virgin Islands utu
-nitro + FL1T -shox + YEKINDAR - oSee + Jame Liquid = Top 3 team
2022-05-20 00:33
#68
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China RADNIKEY
ferGOD top 1
2022-05-20 15:23
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