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bo1's are ruining majors
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Netherlands captainreborn 
Well, ofc the Major is not ruined, still fun, but bo1's are just not okay for these types of events in the current meta. I have nothing against Copenhagen Flames, but they are in no world a worldclass team and the fact that they needed only some bo1's and a single bo3 vs Imperial to qualify is kinda insane. Having a bo3 swiss system would take maybe one or 2 days longer for the group stage, only one day if you do more games at the same time, it's okay in group stage to do something like that. No reason to create a system where an insane amount of upset bo1's is the standard, all S tier events have bo3 double elim group stages and it works SO MUCH BETTER, Valve please wake up and realise your game needs to be played in bo3 form at this level. tldr: fuck bo1's, Major group should be swiss bo3 or double elim bo3
2022-05-20 17:37
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ok
2022-05-20 17:38
2 replies
thanks for agreeing
2022-05-20 17:39
1 reply
I gotchu
2022-05-20 17:40
#3
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Brazil MIBR_IS_BAD
yes they should
2022-05-20 17:39
the fact that underdog teams make it through makes the majors better.
2022-05-20 17:39
5 replies
It makes it incredibly worse
2022-05-20 17:40
No it doesnt Cus eventually they just get outclassed by a good team and you get a shit series Like qbf at boston 2018
2022-05-20 17:41
3 replies
they beat some of the best teams and boomich's career was launched. seems pretty great to me
2022-05-20 17:44
2 replies
fuck boobla tho
2022-05-20 18:12
They won some bo1s and then got spanked by navi in a shit quarterfinal
2022-05-20 18:26
+1
2022-05-20 17:39
just do triple elim bo5 so there will be no excuses
2022-05-20 17:39
4 replies
Nah, BO7 just to be really sure.
2022-05-20 17:40
3 replies
nah, BO9 with 2 random workshop maps (like awp_india) just to be extra sure
2022-05-20 17:48
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#69
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United States b1g_poppa
bo99 2 weeks grand final with awp_india as decider
2022-05-20 18:17
I still remember that BO9 between mouz and hellraisers, good times
2022-05-20 17:49
Yet another double elim bo3 tournament 😴😴😴 Why can't the major have it's own spin on things, and it's not like there are many teams better than Flames, if any at all
2022-05-20 17:39
3 replies
You don't need to do double elim bo3, could be swiss system bo3, or you could do 4 groups with 4 teams double elim bo3 would also be less done, but any system with bo3 is better than bo1s
2022-05-20 17:43
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Full bo3 swiss would take aaages, and a lot of the initial matchups would be so boring that you're gonna wish for it to be bo1. I like the current format, it creates cool storylines and has bo3 when it matters
2022-05-20 17:50
+111
2022-05-20 17:46
+1
2022-05-20 17:40
#12
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Australia NoLeS
I kind of agree, but I don't think the playoff teams would be that different with bo1s. Maybe you have cloud9 in there instead of NIP or Copenhagen Flames but Spirit would have still made it the way they've been playing. I think this seeding system has been incredibly meritocratic contrary to alot of people's complaints, but bo3s will certainly calibrate teams a little better than double bo1s to begin Legends
2022-05-20 17:40
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I don't know what impact it would have had on this event, and that's not really relevant as well imo, I just think that to determine the better team in a csgo matchup you need a bo3 to see it, instead of a bo1 where a single economy reset could be the difference between going to playoffs or going home
2022-05-20 17:45
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#32
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Australia NoLeS
I agree, I was just responding in case the complaint was that this major was ruined because of 'undeserving' teams like CPHF and Spirit making it into Champions stage. I think these teams are by and large worthy of their places right now
2022-05-20 17:47
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oh yeah no maybe that came off from the mention of CPHF but I'm actually happy for them and spirit, it's not about that, just about wanting to see true competitive depth instead of kinda random bo1's
2022-05-20 17:50
keep bo1s but remove the buccholz system that ends up with teams like falmes here and vitality missing out =[
2022-05-20 17:41
4 replies
Vitality are much worse team though
2022-05-20 17:42
#19
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Netherlands StephanGH
Vitality played horrible, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Although yes, the RMR's need to be fixed so that the seeding coming in to the major isnt dog.
2022-05-20 17:42
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I think if C9 beat imperial, Vitality almost certainly would have beat flames to finish 3-2. Instead face heroic.. but yeah they werent good enough
2022-05-20 17:43
#43
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Australia NoLeS
Nah Buccholz has been fire. G2, Vitality, cloud9, Astralis etc certainly did not deserve to play in the major this series Aside from CPHF and Forze's RMR qualifier run I think the teams have pretty much earned their spots into whatever they got, be it Astralis, Vitality, Spirit, cloud9
2022-05-20 17:50
Mom my favorite team didn't make it through I'm sad please fix it so my favorite team goes through next time :(((((((
2022-05-20 17:41
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? My favorite team is FaZe, I'm saying this from a point of wanting to have a more actually competitive group stage instead of teams playing themselves under immense pressure and randomness, I'm not angy any teams got to the playoffs, you can keep this childish bs to yourself, my opinion comes from the fact that to determine the best between two teams in CSGO at this level you need a bo3, not just one random map.
2022-05-20 17:48
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So based on your opinion which teams shouldn't have gone through and which should have? Because the teams that have gone through have been showing a good level, whether you like it or not
2022-05-20 17:52
+1 Bo1 is for pugs and online games
2022-05-20 17:42
Miss ChoKo on the Arena
2022-05-20 17:42
bo1 are the most fun part
2022-05-20 17:43
+1
2022-05-20 17:44
I dont know, i feel no matter what they do you will still call them undeserved. Like spirit won last time, and i see people on threads saying watch them lose in a heartbeat in the semis. Like no matter what they gonna do, its not enough. Lucky they faced furia etc etc. They all play on the same format, if they manage to go through, blame the favourites for underperforming.
2022-05-20 17:45
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#30
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Netherlands StephanGH
Spirit has been amazing this major. CPH are probably not playing to the level of some of the teams that missed out, but the major teams (G2, Vitality, C9) that missed out just played like shit. Regardless of BO1/BO3
2022-05-20 17:46
#27
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Italy alastt27
it has sense, as now most of the matches results depends on which side you start first, if you start ct gg, you probably will win. As 80% of the maps has 55% ct winrate.
2022-05-20 17:45
+1 bo1 for challengers, bo3 for legends and champions, bo5 for grand final
2022-05-20 17:46
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#31
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Netherlands StephanGH
BO5 Finals would be great. It's a damn major... Like come on
2022-05-20 17:47
3 replies
Yep, only downside is the map pool. Vertigo and Ancient are played a lot but SO terrible to watch that at least personally i'd skip both, even as decider
2022-05-20 17:52
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#47
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Netherlands StephanGH
Yeah but seeing Inferno in every series is boring too
2022-05-20 17:53
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Yet it's by far the most enjoyable map to watch imo. Still, all i'm saying is that either vertigo or ancient needs to go. Maybe bring cache back? It's been like 3(?) years already.
2022-05-20 17:56
yeah make bo5 every match get through with 3-2 score and already played 25 maps
2022-05-20 17:47
7 replies
yes 😎
2022-05-20 17:54
6 replies
and make bo1 playoff without overtime
2022-05-20 17:57
5 replies
final is first to 5 bo1
2022-05-20 17:57
4 replies
first to 3
2022-05-20 17:59
3 replies
how about just the pistol round
2022-05-20 18:00
2 replies
maybe knife then?
2022-05-20 18:00
1 reply
yeah great idea, next major probably
2022-05-20 18:01
navi is the only tier 1 team left in cs
2022-05-20 17:47
1 reply
faze?
2022-05-20 17:53
And who deserves playoffs more than cph?
2022-05-20 17:48
Bo1's are fun, high pressure from the start. Get better
2022-05-20 17:48
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but still, especially in this insanely CT sided meta, it seems so shitty when teams after one half are basically done in a game. one economy reset being the difference of going home or going to playoffs, I think in this meta the competitive depth of a bo3 game is a million times better than a bo1
2022-05-20 17:51
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sure but it could be 2-0 same way. I prefer as it is but with changing the seeding system somehow
2022-05-20 17:55
yes double elim bo3 is good
2022-05-20 17:48
you want bo3 because better teams would get to the major I want bo3 because match longer 😎
2022-05-20 17:53
#51
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Wales Peath
Disagree. The current system is definitely not perfect, and I'm not sure how to improve it but this is not it. Provided the seeding is fair, you are playing theoretically fair matches throughout, you give underdog teams the chance to upset through the BO1's, which is in no way at all a bad thing, whilst assuring that basically any team that deserves to get through has multiple chances at BO3 (dis)qualifier matches which are going to be much easier to win for those top quality teams. You also have to think about the players, you need to give them time to rest and prepare and you can't have them playing 10 hour days for a week in a group stage qualifier because that's how you kill teams and player careers through burnout. Sure with the current system some of the high profile teams that you might support don't get through, sure there's less viewers on a Furia v Spirit or ENCE v Falmes game than if G2 or Vitality or Liquid were playing, and some teams got through with easier matchups, but for what it is, and what we had in the past, it's really not bad.
2022-05-20 17:54
#52
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
BO1 matches were only used in the Majors for seedings and preliminaries, which is the perfect way to utilise the BO1 format. All of the decider matches have been BO3, so I don't understand the complaints... Sure, BO1's aren't perfect but they definitely make for some interesting games and this has been one of the most interesting Majors for a long time...
2022-05-20 17:55
Nah bo1s are fine if all maps are not 60-40 CT sided how it is now The real ruiner is m4a1s, and its insanity that everyone cried so much during aug-krieg time and nothing even close to it now
2022-05-20 17:55
If a team cant win a b01 they have nothing to do in the play offs anyway. You have to be best no matter the circumstances.
2022-05-20 17:56
The RMR seeding is a joke, Navi #8 legends and CPH flames #2 legends and CPH never beat a real elite team to earn its seeding
2022-05-20 17:56
#59
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Argentina atriX^
I think the problem lies more in the fact that G2, Vitality and C9 flopped. CPH had to beat Imperial because C9 blundered massively. G2 should’ve beaten FURIA. If this hadn’t happened we would be looking at a NAVI, Heroic, C9, Spirit, ENCE, NIP, FaZe and G2 which is pretty good and teams we all expected to make it save for Spirit.
2022-05-20 17:57
Agreed But remember they went 3-0 in qualifiers aswell Also without bo3 and No bo5 final, Na’Vi probably wouldn’t have made last major without losing a map, so it’s a win/lose
2022-05-20 17:59
Teams that did not qualify have only themselves to blame. Clown9 couldn't beat Imperial. G2-3 couldn't beat Furia and Heroic, Vitality had a tough bracked because of upsets.
2022-05-20 18:05
Agreed
2022-05-20 18:05
#70
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Hungary F1z3s
i think it doesnt matter, if it they make it swiss bo3 groups whatever then people cry bcs long boring matches/ unfair groups/there favorit loosing. Yeah cpf didnt show up, but it doesnt take away the fact that they made it this far, also they played a good match vs one of the finalists (faze or spirit). , hope the evenings match will be more entertaining
2022-05-20 18:20
#72
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Yugoslavia Yungletti
Flames took a game off Spirit and FaZe so I don't think they're as bad as you're making them out to be.
2022-05-20 18:47
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