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if navi win tomorrow
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United States amba01 
navi era will be in the history books forever
2022-05-21 23:47
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No
2022-05-21 23:51
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#2
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Russia shenahazard
fake flag, reported
2022-05-21 23:53
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Not fakeflag
2022-05-21 23:55
Yes
2022-05-21 23:53
you are from zimbabwe bruh
2022-05-22 00:33
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you are from poland bruh
2022-05-22 00:45
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Portugal said lol worse espana
2022-05-22 00:52
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Nt worse Lithuania
2022-05-22 00:54
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XD Lithuania is the shit I was there and its so poor Poland isnt rich but Lithuania is next lvl
2022-05-22 01:01
no lol
2022-05-21 23:53
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flair checks out
2022-05-21 23:54
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wow strong argument #5
2022-05-21 23:55
Likewise
2022-05-21 23:55
its debateable if it is an era imo it is not a clear and obvious one
2022-05-21 23:55
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#12
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India gXser
Why not? B2b major + so many trophies and huge victories in between. It already is an era, tomorrow's win would solidify it. Even liquid in 2019 were winning so many events, but astralis winning the Berlin major made that small period insignificant
2022-05-22 00:02
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2022-05-22 00:08
not necessarily, only if they pick where they left after the player break
2022-05-21 23:55
what era? 5 months of domination (continuous #1) from July - Dec 2021 then up until this Major, haven't made a single final in 2022 let alone win a title even if they win tomorrow, their domination ended with 2021. no domination, no era
2022-05-22 00:07
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lulstralis fan lol NAVI at least wins Majors againts in form G2 and godform FAZE unlike lulstralis winning againts avangard and ence
2022-05-22 00:09
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.....nice argument and omission of key details did you forget that Astralis beat Liquid (#1) and EG (top 5) en route to their Berlin win? How about beating NaVi (#2), Liquid (#3) and FaZe (#5) @ London? If you wanna go that route, NaVi beat onliner Gambit with no real LAN experience, Vitality roster w kyojin and no awper G2
2022-05-22 00:13
7 replies
Actually true, rekt him
2022-05-22 00:35
6 replies
#50
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Denmark TheZpike
+1
2022-05-22 00:41
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Where do you think I got my username idea from xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa So, so many users on this site try to rewrite history and delegitimize Astralis's major wins and overall greatness. happened all the time during their 3 years of terror from 2018-2020 and still happening now
2022-05-22 00:43
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#59
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Argentina Joedash
Only navi delusional fans or s1mple fans think that way, chill. Everyone remembers asstralis era tbh
2022-05-22 00:51
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sadly no. there are tons of salty delusional Astralis haters who aren't NaVi fans
2022-05-22 00:52
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#65
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Argentina Joedash
Yeh true, but many are navi delusional fans who think the only team that can have an era is NaVi xd
2022-05-22 01:08
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cant argue with that ;P
2022-05-22 01:09
#73
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Denmark Kon10R
You forget which teams Avangar and Ence took down on their way.
2022-05-22 01:39
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+1 "hurr durr Astralis won majors against joke opposition in finals" ...... London: NaVi (#2), Liquid (#3) and FaZe (#5) Katowice: ok maybe some validity in this one but not their fault Liquid and NaVi decided to choke to ENCE. not to mention ENCE went on to become a very solid Tier 1 team before adding "firepower" Berlin: beat Liquid (#1) and EG (top 5) and Avangar who took out Vita and deserved to be in the finals
2022-05-22 02:49
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#76
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Denmark Kon10R
#70 You and I have seen a few attempts in here to make the Astralis era a little bit less impressive. No wonder! It is simply too much for hltv community to comprehend, and it makes it a bit hard to even imagine that we will ever see anything even remotely close. Fortunately all the pro's, casters, analysts and (real) experts know and understand the grandeur and magnitude. Unfortunately that goes for Astralis2.0 as well. K0nfig and BlameF are doing great and farlig seems to have found his footing as well, but now they are "just another strong team" with some good solid top10 performances. I would be surprised if they were ever to break top5.
2022-05-22 12:04
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yeah sad to see how far they've fallen but such is professional sports We will never forget Astralis' ridiculous reign of terror. > 4 majors (for the 4-man core) > Only team in CS:GO to have all 5 players in top 20 + all 5 players had an MVP from a big event > Lost only 8(?) Bo3s in all of 2018 > 18-0 across the playoffs of the 3 Majors they won > Only team in CS:GO to be #1 for three years and in a row at that (2018,2019,2020) > An unmatched 20 BIG EVENT wins across three years (2018,2019,2020) > Only team in CS:GO to hold the #1 spot uninterrupted for over a full year/52 weeks (for 13 months, to be precise) and more....
2022-05-22 19:47
yea i don t forget, both dissapeard after that Major run, very solid teams. Tier 4 at max prob
2022-05-22 12:42
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#88
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Denmark Kon10R
That was a surprising (confusing?) answer to say the least. I was not talking about what happened to Ence or Avangar AFTER their Major finals. I'll try again. The top15 list back in Kato19 was something like Astralis, Liquid, NaVi, Mibr, FaZe, NiP, NRG, Renegades, Ence, Cloud9, North, Vitality, fnatic, Mouz, and: Ence(9) surprised us all by taking down BiG(15), G2(18), Avangar(17), Liquid(2) and NaVi(3). The top15 list back in Berlin19 was something like Liquid, Vitality, Ence, Astralis, NRG, NaVi, G2, FaZe, Mouz, Furia, North, Mibr, Cr4zy, NiP, Avangar and: Avangar(15) surprised us all by taking down Liquid(1), G2(7), Vitality(2) on their way to the final. (Renegades had a remarkable run as well!) In short: Ence and Avangar TOOK DOWN THE WORLD ELITE TO THEIR WAY TO THEIR FINALS, but both lost to Astralis. DON'T give this bs about "tier4". Maybe AFTERWARDS, yes. (ONE thing to remember though: Ence - with AlexiB - ended Astralis' winstreak on Nuke in Madrid shortly after!)
2022-05-22 17:50
#75 also, he said the teams ENCE and Avangar took DOWN during that event. NaVi, Liquid, Vitality and more didn't become tier 4 after the major LMAO
2022-05-22 19:40
#20
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
an era defines who's at the top for a significant period of time. NaVi have been 1/2 consistently since the start of 2021 and have made playoffs in each big event of 2022. Ik you want to gatekeep the word era but if they win this major then it most definitely counts as an era, especially if they keep performing at a top level from this point forward. era doesn't = winning every single tournament...
2022-05-22 00:12
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#23
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United States b1g_poppa
+1
2022-05-22 00:14
my definition of era is domination. doesn't need to win every single tournament but since start of 2022, BLAST groups - barely made it out of groups Kato - semis Pro League - quarters Does this seem anything close to domination to you?
2022-05-22 00:14
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do u know whats happening around the world ? nobody will forget that, if NAVI wins tomorrow they 100% have an era.
2022-05-22 00:18
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so? yeah, it sucks of course that the war happened, but the results speak for themselves. I'm pointing out that since 2022 started, NaVi has not dominated at all. That's it. Irrelevant if it's cause of war or anything Kudos to them for performing this well regardless of what's happening ofc
2022-05-22 00:22
counting the whole year of 2021 is dishonest
2022-05-22 00:23
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+1 who tf counts the time spent being #2 in the world as part of an era
2022-05-22 00:26
Astralis were not completely dominant throughout their era. There were lots of tournaments where they lost or didn't make it to finals
2022-05-22 00:14
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didn't mention Astralis but ok i'll bite From April 2018 - May 2019, Astralis were #1 without interruption and aside from Bo1 meme format BLAST tourneys, made at least semis at every tournament. See #24 as well
2022-05-22 00:16
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I guess ultimately it comes down to your definition of an era. It seems like everyone these days seems to have a different definition which makes it difficult to have these discussions. I guess by your definition, which seems to be uninterrupted success apart from Blast events and making at least semis, Navi didn't have an era. However, by a lot of other definitions, you could argue that Navi had an era. There even top level analysts that would argue this. What I think is interesting is that even by your definition, Navi would have an era for about 6-7 months. This obviously is about 6 months shorter than the Astralis era but it still fits. Tldr: it comes down definition and there really isn't any reason to say that yours is more valid than any others
2022-05-22 16:19
#72
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India gXser
Delusional astralis fan trying to gatekeep the term "era" There was also a time in astralis era in 2019 when liquid won multiple events in a row, heck they won a fricking grand slam. Yet it didn't end the era. Stop living in the past, nobody is questioning astralis' greatness, so stop downplaying current teams' achievements
2022-05-22 01:36
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"There was also a time in astralis era in 2019 when liquid won multiple events in a row, heck they won a fricking grand slam. Yet it didn't end the era." > LMFAO I (and most ppl) don't think Astralis era was still ongoing by the time Liquid won their Grand Slam. if they do, they are delusional. era my ass when every title was won by Liquid during that stretch "Stop living in the past, nobody is questioning astralis' greatness, so stop downplaying current teams' achievements" > Clearly false. Just look in this thread alone and see for yourself. Also, how am I downplaying NaVi's achievements? I know they've won a ton of titles in 2021 and was #1 for 9 consecutive months yet 4 of those months have been in 2022 where they didn't win anything and just getting carried by their 2021 glory. So really, they "dominated" for 5 months. These are just facts. Not an era in my book. Peace!
2022-05-22 02:45
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#86
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India gXser
Ok everyone has their own definition of era so it is fine. But don't forget that in 2018 and 2019 there were a lot more smaller events in tier 1, which meant more chances for astralis to win. In comparison, in 2022 so far we've only had 2 trophies in 4 months
2022-05-22 13:23
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true but you can only win what's in front of you. A counterargument would be that Astralis won only LANs (not NaVi's fault that Covid happened btu still) and ONLY big events from 2018-2019.
2022-05-22 19:38
#78
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Ukraine d3adLY
navi era is second best era ever...
2022-05-22 12:12
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Finland krep
I like how after every navi win people will move the boundary of an era further and further
2022-05-22 00:07
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2022-05-22 00:08
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#27
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Finland krep
Navi was continous top1 from July to April (9 months) and during this time period they won literally everything there is to win, dominantly. Nothing can make me chance my mind that NAVI had an era and will continue that era if they win this major.
2022-05-22 00:17
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"during this time period they won literally everything there is to win, dominantly." No, they haven't. Up until this major, they haven't won a single title let alone make a single final in 2022. Their 4 months of #1 in 2022 has been them resting on their 2021 points.
2022-05-22 00:24
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#38
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Finland krep
There has been a total of 2 tournaments this year
2022-05-22 00:27
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true but doesn't change my point. you can only win what's in front of you. and not only did they win neither, they didn't even make the finals at both.
2022-05-22 00:40
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Well we overlook katowice for obvious reasons and 1 tournament L against the team that wins is allowed in an era.
2022-05-22 00:45
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eh ultimately depends on who u ask/how you look at it, I guess. but thanks for at least being factually honest
2022-05-22 00:46
#64
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Argentina Joedash
I mean, we are not discussing if NaVi played or not badly. We are discussing the fact of an era when OP is talking of NaVi "continuing" an era that finished in 2021
2022-05-22 01:07
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+1 it's sad that the war happened, but results are results
2022-05-22 01:09
cringe norwegian with s0mple flair
2022-05-22 12:13
#71
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Denmark Kon10R
2022-05-22 01:32
exactly, i think NAVI needs to win 10 Majors in a row to have an era
2022-05-22 00:10
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nice strawman see #24
2022-05-22 00:17
no? undeniable eras were nip/fnatic/astralis navi have like half the titles those teams won you cant have a six month era
2022-05-22 00:17
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+1 finally someone with reason
2022-05-22 00:24
#41
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Finland krep
You're blinded by nostalgia. Fnatic or Astralis werent undefeated during their eras. There is no definition for an era and you can have any opinion you want but as I said previously, nothing can make me chance my mind that NAVI had an era and will continue that era if they win this major
2022-05-22 00:30
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You can believe whatever you want of course but I'm genuinely curious: do you think we're still in the NaVi era? because you said "will continue that era if they win this major"
2022-05-22 00:41
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#51
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Finland krep
I do, if they win this major
2022-05-22 00:41
1 reply
interesting
2022-05-22 00:44
fair enough
2022-05-22 00:42
The game has become a lot more competitive since then. There won't be eras for prolonged periods of time amymore. Navi won everything possible in 2021 and only lost #1 because of some extraordinary circumstances outside of the server.
2022-05-22 01:13
+100
2022-05-22 01:11
navi will win tournaments, but here will never be navi era they're lacking depth, compare with astralis for era you need a team, not different individual shining from time to time
2022-05-22 00:12
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#70
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Denmark Kon10R
Astralis era were characterised by so many things: 5 most winning cs go players. Now S1mple finally caught up with Mag1sk. 18 mvp's for dev1ce. Now S1mple finally caught up. But utility usage - +50 ADR for 8 months - was never before seen. +30 winstreak on Nuke, +20 on Inferno. They changed the Meta ON and OFF the server for everyone else. An ENTIRE YEAR on top1 as well as the first IGS. Teams like Gambit, Heroic and Furia introduced a new style which NaVi became the masters of later on. All in all: There is nothing particular about this "dominating period" by NaVi. They are just the "biggest gorillaz" around. Era? It's just words. Anyone can call it what they like. We will NEVER see anything like "the best team of all f**ing time!"
2022-05-22 01:26
IF Navi wins tomorrow, they will be better than SK/LG
2022-05-22 00:17
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#55
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United States amba01
exactly, a lot of people consider SK/LG to have had an era so if navi wins they must have one. a better era than the brazilians
2022-05-22 00:44
s0mple x2 major mvp
2022-05-22 00:18
it's interesting, in the past it's like they won everything but the major, and people say no era until there's a major. now it looks like they win majors but no other tournaments honestly, that's not too shabby either
2022-05-22 00:20
It's an era for nowadays It can't be an fnatic or nip era in 2022
2022-05-22 00:29
#40
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Turkey MeT0o0
If Navi becomes the champion, do you think the sticker prices will peak?
2022-05-22 00:30
Real Navi era was more in 1.6 than you can imagine . with markellof starixx zeus edward and ceh9 . they won like all ESWC and IEM in 2 years that supposed to be majors back days
2022-05-22 00:33
Already navi era for awhile now but if faze win its over. Also no flawless playoffs so Astralis era >>>>>>>>
2022-05-22 00:37
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NAVI flawless Major >>>>>>>>>>> Astralis any Major
2022-05-22 12:46
They are not even ranked #1 on hltv.org and you plebs say navi era lmao
2022-05-22 12:10
#80
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India RycerZ
Era? No. If they had won Katowice & this major, maybe that would have been proper Era.
2022-05-22 12:15
#81
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Portugal r1cannabiz
For being flashy, yes, for being more victorious? No.
2022-05-22 12:19
If FaZe win it's the beginning of their era
2022-05-22 12:49
LOL they haven't done jack shit between the 2 majors IF they do win. How is that an era? Wow winning 2 Valve-sponsored tourneys.
2022-05-22 12:50
Why isn't it a BO5?
2022-05-22 18:11
lol
2022-05-23 20:06
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