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you are from poland bruh
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no lol
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its debateable if it is an era imo it is not a clear and obvious one
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not necessarily, only if they pick where they left after the player break
what era?
5 months of domination (continuous #1) from July - Dec 2021
then up until this Major, haven't made a single final in 2022 let alone win a title
even if they win tomorrow, their domination ended with 2021. no domination, no era
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.....nice argument and omission of key details
did you forget that Astralis beat Liquid (#1) and EG (top 5) en route to their Berlin win? How about beating NaVi (#2), Liquid (#3) and FaZe (#5) @ London?
If you wanna go that route, NaVi beat onliner Gambit with no real LAN experience, Vitality roster w kyojin and no awper G2
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Actually true, rekt him
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Where do you think I got my username idea from xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
So, so many users on this site try to rewrite history and delegitimize Astralis's major wins and overall greatness. happened all the time during their 3 years of terror from 2018-2020 and still happening now
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sadly no. there are tons of salty delusional Astralis haters who aren't NaVi fans
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cant argue with that ;P
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+1 "hurr durr Astralis won majors against joke opposition in finals"
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London: NaVi (#2), Liquid (#3) and FaZe (#5)
Katowice: ok maybe some validity in this one but not their fault Liquid and NaVi decided to choke to ENCE. not to mention ENCE went on to become a very solid Tier 1 team before adding "firepower"
Berlin: beat Liquid (#1) and EG (top 5) and Avangar who took out Vita and deserved to be in the finals
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#70
You and I have seen a few attempts in here to make the Astralis era a little bit less impressive.
No wonder!
It is simply too much for hltv community to comprehend, and it makes it a bit hard to even imagine that we will ever see anything even remotely close.
Fortunately all the pro's, casters, analysts and (real) experts know and understand the grandeur and magnitude.
Unfortunately that goes for Astralis2.0 as well. K0nfig and BlameF are doing great and farlig seems to have found his footing as well, but now they are "just another strong team" with some good solid top10 performances.
I would be surprised if they were ever to break top5.
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yeah sad to see how far they've fallen but such is professional sports
We will never forget Astralis' ridiculous reign of terror.
> 4 majors (for the 4-man core)
> Only team in CS:GO to have all 5 players in top 20 + all 5 players had an MVP from a big event
> Lost only 8(?) Bo3s in all of 2018
> 18-0 across the playoffs of the 3 Majors they won
> Only team in CS:GO to be #1 for three years and in a row at that (2018,2019,2020)
> An unmatched 20 BIG EVENT wins across three years (2018,2019,2020)
> Only team in CS:GO to hold the #1 spot uninterrupted for over a full year/52 weeks (for 13 months, to be precise)
and more....
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That was a surprising (confusing?) answer to say the least.
I was not talking about what happened to Ence or Avangar AFTER their Major finals.
I'll try again.
The top15 list back in Kato19 was something like Astralis, Liquid, NaVi, Mibr, FaZe, NiP, NRG, Renegades, Ence, Cloud9, North, Vitality, fnatic, Mouz, and:
Ence(9) surprised us all by taking down BiG(15), G2(18), Avangar(17), Liquid(2) and NaVi(3).
The top15 list back in Berlin19 was something like Liquid, Vitality, Ence, Astralis, NRG, NaVi, G2, FaZe, Mouz, Furia, North, Mibr, Cr4zy, NiP, Avangar and:
Avangar(15) surprised us all by taking down Liquid(1), G2(7), Vitality(2) on their way to the final. (Renegades had a remarkable run as well!)
In short: Ence and Avangar TOOK DOWN THE WORLD ELITE TO THEIR WAY TO THEIR FINALS, but both lost to Astralis.
DON'T give this bs about "tier4".
Maybe AFTERWARDS, yes.
(ONE thing to remember though: Ence - with AlexiB - ended Astralis' winstreak on Nuke in Madrid shortly after!)
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also, he said the teams ENCE and Avangar took DOWN during that event. NaVi, Liquid, Vitality and more didn't become tier 4 after the major LMAO
an era defines who's at the top for a significant period of time. NaVi have been 1/2 consistently since the start of 2021 and have made playoffs in each big event of 2022. Ik you want to gatekeep the word era but if they win this major then it most definitely counts as an era, especially if they keep performing at a top level from this point forward. era doesn't = winning every single tournament...
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my definition of era is domination. doesn't need to win every single tournament but since start of 2022,
BLAST groups - barely made it out of groups
Kato - semis
Pro League - quarters
Does this seem anything close to domination to you?
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so? yeah, it sucks of course that the war happened, but the results speak for themselves. I'm pointing out that since 2022 started, NaVi has not dominated at all. That's it. Irrelevant if it's cause of war or anything
Kudos to them for performing this well regardless of what's happening ofc
counting the whole year of 2021 is dishonest
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+1 who tf counts the time spent being #2 in the world as part of an era
Astralis were not completely dominant throughout their era. There were lots of tournaments where they lost or didn't make it to finals
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I guess ultimately it comes down to your definition of an era. It seems like everyone these days seems to have a different definition which makes it difficult to have these discussions.
I guess by your definition, which seems to be uninterrupted success apart from Blast events and making at least semis, Navi didn't have an era.
However, by a lot of other definitions, you could argue that Navi had an era. There even top level analysts that would argue this.
What I think is interesting is that even by your definition, Navi would have an era for about 6-7 months. This obviously is about 6 months shorter than the Astralis era but it still fits.
Tldr: it comes down definition and there really isn't any reason to say that yours is more valid than any others
Delusional astralis fan trying to gatekeep the term "era"
There was also a time in astralis era in 2019 when liquid won multiple events in a row, heck they won a fricking grand slam. Yet it didn't end the era.
Stop living in the past, nobody is questioning astralis' greatness, so stop downplaying current teams' achievements
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"There was also a time in astralis era in 2019 when liquid won multiple events in a row, heck they won a fricking grand slam. Yet it didn't end the era."
> LMFAO I (and most ppl) don't think Astralis era was still ongoing by the time Liquid won their Grand Slam. if they do, they are delusional. era my ass when every title was won by Liquid during that stretch
"Stop living in the past, nobody is questioning astralis' greatness, so stop downplaying current teams' achievements"
> Clearly false. Just look in this thread alone and see for yourself. Also, how am I downplaying NaVi's achievements? I know they've won a ton of titles in 2021 and was #1 for 9 consecutive months yet 4 of those months have been in 2022 where they didn't win anything and just getting carried by their 2021 glory. So really, they "dominated" for 5 months. These are just facts. Not an era in my book. Peace!
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true but you can only win what's in front of you. A counterargument would be that Astralis won only LANs (not NaVi's fault that Covid happened btu still) and ONLY big events from 2018-2019.
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"during this time period they won literally everything there is to win, dominantly."
No, they haven't. Up until this major, they haven't won a single title let alone make a single final in 2022. Their 4 months of #1 in 2022 has been them resting on their 2021 points.
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true but doesn't change my point. you can only win what's in front of you. and not only did they win neither, they didn't even make the finals at both.
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Well we overlook katowice for obvious reasons and 1 tournament L against the team that wins is allowed in an era.
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eh ultimately depends on who u ask/how you look at it, I guess. but thanks for at least being factually honest
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+1 it's sad that the war happened, but results are results
cringe norwegian with s0mple flair
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nice strawman
see #24
no? undeniable eras were nip/fnatic/astralis
navi have like half the titles those teams won
you cant have a six month era
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+1 finally someone with reason
You're blinded by nostalgia. Fnatic or Astralis werent undefeated during their eras.
There is no definition for an era and you can have any opinion you want but as I said previously, nothing can make me chance my mind that NAVI had an era and will continue that era if they win this major
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You can believe whatever you want of course but I'm genuinely curious: do you think we're still in the NaVi era? because you said "will continue that era if they win this major"
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fair enough
navi will win tournaments, but here will never be navi era
they're lacking depth, compare with astralis
for era you need a team, not different individual shining from time to time
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Astralis era were characterised by so many things:
5 most winning cs go players. Now S1mple finally caught up with Mag1sk.
18 mvp's for dev1ce. Now S1mple finally caught up.
But utility usage - +50 ADR for 8 months - was never before seen.
+30 winstreak on Nuke, +20 on Inferno.
They changed the Meta ON and OFF the server for everyone else.
An ENTIRE YEAR on top1 as well as the first IGS.
Teams like Gambit, Heroic and Furia introduced a new style which NaVi became the masters of later on.
All in all: There is nothing particular about this "dominating period" by NaVi. They are just the "biggest gorillaz" around.
Era?
It's just words. Anyone can call it what they like.
We will NEVER see anything like "the best team of all f**ing time!"
IF Navi wins tomorrow, they will be better than SK/LG
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it's interesting, in the past it's like they won everything but the major, and people say no era until there's a major.
now it looks like they win majors but no other tournaments
honestly, that's not too shabby either
It's an era for nowadays
It can't be an fnatic or nip era in 2022
Already navi era for awhile now but if faze win its over.
Also no flawless playoffs so Astralis era >>>>>>>>
They are not even ranked #1 on hltv.org and you plebs say navi era lmao
For being flashy, yes, for being more victorious? No.
If FaZe win it's the beginning of their era
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