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GOAT IGL?
stavn | 
Denmark Mursten 
Would you say the GOAT IGL is Karrigan or gla1ve at this point?
2022-05-23 01:20
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Tabsen cuz he is a true hero
2022-05-23 01:20
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True hero but he couldve done so many great things if he didnt stick with the German scene (which is definitely admirable)
2022-05-23 01:45
id say its even ye gla1ve has 4 majors and top 10 in 2018 but karrigan has developed more talent than gla1ve has won a major with an international lineup won 3 tier 1 events with a stand in is relevant rn while gla1ve is not even though he has a blameF in superstar form but then again gla1ve still won events after 2018 till 2020 but then fell of the cliff but also won katowice twice and has a grandslam i think they are tied because even though he has a grandslam and 4 majors karrigan has developed more talent, has more longevity, hitting his peak rn despite bieng aged 32, has the number 1 team with a combination of good players (keyword good not great/godly players) and is winning by comittee but i think if gla1ve continues as he is rn and karrigan continues and stays top 3 which i see is very likely, eventually gla1ve's past achievements will lessen in value as the comp is only getting tougher and tougher and karrigan's longevity is outmatching gla1ve's so rn i tihnk they are tied but i can see karrigan wining this debate in their current form
2022-05-23 11:44
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Sound take, if next year faze remains top 3 winning titles then that's it
2022-05-23 13:25
#2
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France marponche
gla1ve how is it even a question lol
2022-05-23 01:20
#3
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Singapore kmslol
gla1ve
2022-05-23 01:20
#4
CeRq | 
Australia NoLeS
1. Gla1ve 2. Karrigan (used to be toss up between Karrigan and FalleN, now with a major win Karrigan is clearly top 2) 3. FalleN 4. Pronax 5. Zeus
2022-05-23 01:20
4 replies
How is FalleN ahead of Pronax?
2022-05-23 11:35
3 replies
+1, imo pronax is still 2nd all time
2022-05-23 11:41
#69
CeRq | 
Australia NoLeS
FalleN's legacy on the game is beyond that of Pronax. Man invented Brazilian Counter-Strike in a region where there was 0 belief in the CS scene let alone the IGLing scene, and proved that IGLs could put up monstrous stats in game. But that's not really the main reason to me As unlike Pronax FalleN's now proven he can lead a resurgence late in his career. Pronax's very lacklustre way to fizzle out his legendary career is a blow to him I feel. Whereas guys like Karrigan, FalleN and even Zeus can demonstrate that career longevity and adaptability I also feel FalleN was more integral to the success of his teams than Pronax to fnatic. fnatic you have really assertive voices like Flusha, JW and Olofmeister if you watch their comms pretty much everybody is chipping in with ideas so its less on Pronax's shoulders in comparison
2022-05-23 11:42
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Fallen also made AWP IGL a thing, which it wasn't before.
2022-05-23 13:23
Karrigan no doubt in my mind
2022-05-23 01:20
#6
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Cuba LastSupper
1. Zeus 2. gla1ve rest irrelevant
2022-05-23 01:20
6 replies
Zeus most overrated
2022-05-23 01:21
3 replies
#49
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Guy won Major with most Ragtagged team. Did it before S1mple and Karrigan. His Eco Round speak against Astralis is legendary. He is a Perma no.4 for me.
2022-05-23 10:04
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"His Eco Round speak against Astralis is legendary." link to this? I couldnt find and am really curious!!!!
2022-05-23 14:28
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#111
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
youtube.com/watch?v=92fdtWtCV_8&t=1478s&.. 20:00 onwards. its not a complete speech but you get vibe and a brief translation later a couple of mins in. For things he said got Gambit back in the game and the major. I don't think their any IGL who has ever pulled off anything like this. Which is why i will always hold him in High regards.
2022-05-23 17:02
#48
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Europe ENCE_LOVER
zeus overrated
2022-05-23 10:01
#50
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
+1
2022-05-23 10:04
#7
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Estonia nokkiii
glaive until karrigan has atleast 3 majors
2022-05-23 01:21
1. Aleksib
2022-05-23 01:21
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#53
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Finland Sk1reh
birdfromsky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2022-05-23 10:08
#9
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Brazil patatoBRain
Gla1ve is past. Karrigan GOAT NOW
2022-05-23 01:21
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you know that GOAT means Greatest of All Time? How come you say Gla1ive is past when GOAT IGL means that greatest IGL to play csgo and i think gla1ive takes it.
2022-05-23 14:43
#10
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Brazil dio_scuro
1- Gla1ve 2- Fallen 3- Karrigan/Pronax
2022-05-23 01:21
4 replies
#14
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Estonia Chaostic
+1
2022-05-23 01:22
+1 very smart brazilian
2022-05-23 01:43
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#41
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Brazil dio_scuro
thanks 😘
2022-05-23 01:51
+1
2022-05-23 14:36
#12
CeRq | 
Australia NoLeS
The recency bias wank is so powerful. However people feel about Karrigan today, same shit people felt about gla1ve by his 2nd major win. Then his 3rd, THEN his 4th. He's the GOAT IGL however washed he is today
2022-05-23 01:21
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Yeah the thing I praise Karrigan though for is being able to reach #1 with multiple teams when gla1ve has only been able to do it with one team. But if we look at achievements only it's clearly gla1ve
2022-05-23 01:24
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Gla1ve has been on astralis for the last 5 and a half years it’s hard to make multiple teams top one when he’s on the roster for that long
2022-05-23 14:35
#13
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Denmark NipoCS
gla1ve changed Astralis around alone by himself, and made them a godlike team that went on to win multiple majors, karrigan joined faze but wasn't number 1, they had to add ropz for the team finally to be contending for major and then winning it.
2022-05-23 01:22
5 replies
I don't think he did it alone. he had Zonic and device who are both smart in terms of csgo. + Karrigan told Zonic to hire Glaive
2022-05-23 01:26
#42
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Serbia eliiiiii_
he didn't change astralis alone he changed cs meta for 3 years straight
2022-05-23 01:52
#74
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New Zealand Chicken_RD
In 2018, from February to April Faze were ranked number 1 with karrigan leading. Yeah they choked the major final but they were still the best team in the world.
2022-05-23 11:47
#93
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India Nijer
and Astralis needed to add magisk to win multiple majors as well
2022-05-23 14:24
I think you are forgetting that gla1ve didn't need to change rosters, cos he was dominating with one for a long time and meanwhile karrigan was iterating in different rosters quite a lot. So, of course he got more trophies with different rosters. So it's a bit bad comparison "which one has won more rosters with different rosters". Maybe we could make another measure: Average on how much titles with new roster within x months? That would maybe be better measure.
2022-05-23 14:59
both
2022-05-23 01:23
GOAT IGL is of course Happy 2 majors, also only IGL to ever win MVP (unless you count turok)
2022-05-23 01:23
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#22
CeRq | 
Australia NoLeS
username checks out
2022-05-23 01:25
hard to deny glaive that title with the era astralis had but for me karrigan is more impressive, so many different teams and he made all work to a high level
2022-05-23 01:24
5 replies
Yeah exactly. It's especially incredible that he managed to bring mousesports to #1
2022-05-23 01:26
4 replies
after the epl win or?
2022-05-23 01:26
1 reply
NVM they only got #2. Got my facts wrong
2022-05-23 01:28
they never reached 1 or??
2022-05-23 01:28
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Yup mb. Got my facts wrong
2022-05-23 01:29
glaive achieve trophies only in Astralis roster, but Karrigan make top tier every team he played. I dont think glaive could have won EPL with mouz roster but Karrigan did. So i think karrigan is the goat igl. It doesnt matter the roster he is playing with for karrigan, but look at new Astralis right now.
2022-05-23 01:26
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But Zeus shaped S1mple from TOXIC to the GOAT So Zeus GOAT IGL cuz he is the GOAT maker.
2022-05-23 01:27
Karrigan couldn’t win a major with this team: Karrigan Niko Guardian Olof Rain gla1ve took a team of known chokers (old TSM) and turned them into the undisputed best team of all time
2022-05-23 01:31
7 replies
+1. also karrigan was part of that TSM...
2022-05-23 01:34
This is a point which i cant deny but your point doesnt deny mine too. I still think glaive cant win big trophies without old astralis roster, and karrigan won big trophies with different rosters.
2022-05-23 01:37
4 replies
I doubt we’ll see gla1ve hoist another major at this rate, but I don’t think he has anything else to prove. He’s done everything you can do in this game. Hopefully this discourse will motivate him to innovate csgo even more than he has. No disrespect to Karrigan obv, one of the most entertaining stage players ever and the second best igl of all time (imo)
2022-05-23 01:40
3 replies
Only thing left for Gla1ve is to prove he can reach top 1 with another set of players
2022-05-23 01:48
2 replies
Sure, the potential is there with k0nfig and blamef, but the competition is too good rn to win with xyp in this form and a mediocre awp in Farlig. It would probably be difficult to win with an all Danish lineup as well unless there’s a roster shuffle between Astralis/Heroic/CPH Flames
2022-05-23 01:54
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Yes, it would be best if Astralis can get Nicodoz and someone else to replace Xyp9x and Farlig. That team should do way more than current Astralis
2022-05-23 11:21
lineup with people from 5 different cultures speaking a second language. also niko doesnt seem to be an easy player to work with
2022-05-23 13:22
gla1ve invented counter strike, let Karrigan win a few more majors and then we can have another conversation
2022-05-23 01:25
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#51
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I will say... 1 more Major and Karrigan is GOAT.
2022-05-23 10:05
4 replies
2 at least
2022-05-23 11:30
3 replies
#78
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
1 for Tie. 2 for absolute.
2022-05-23 13:12
2 replies
Since when 2 is a tie with 4?
2022-05-23 14:17
1 reply
#108
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Me personally never. I think to beat Dev1ce for GOAT status one must atleast have 3 majors and 2 HLTV no.1 spot. Similarly, 3 Majors and multiple trophies with different Orgs can also be something i will consider for GOAT IGL. But this HLTV, only thing you get for honesty ( most of the times) is damaged neurons. So, I always choose the milder opinion.
2022-05-23 14:53
gla1ve pronax xizt ex6tenz fallen karrigan zeus
2022-05-23 01:27
#33
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Poland RiperCiu
How can u even compare Karrigan and Gla1ve? 4 majors vs 1 major XD its not even close
2022-05-23 01:37
2 replies
Karrigan has reached the top with multiple teams. gla1ve only did it once
2022-05-23 01:50
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#47
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Poland RiperCiu
And he played in the greatest team CS GO has ever seen B)
2022-05-23 09:59
1. gla1ve 2. pronax 3. FalleN 4-5. karrigan/Zeus
2022-05-23 01:39
depends i think it's glaive i was so impressed by his calling in 2018/19/20 but he has never won a tournament without device and zonic so it's hard to judge him compared to karrigan who has won with so many different teams and makes every team he joins better, only other contender for me is pronax but i don't rate him as highly as the other guys
2022-05-23 01:39
9 replies
Who the fuck cares XD Why would u deny his achievments just because he played with same roster XD
2022-05-23 11:32
3 replies
flaggg because it is harder to do it with 4 different teams with different nationalities
2022-05-23 14:19
2 replies
Yeah, flaggg. You know that both gla1ve and karrigan are danes, right?
2022-05-23 14:23
1 reply
yes but danes are biased towards astralis we already saw it in copenhagen when they cheated
2022-05-23 14:24
Zonic and device haven't won anything after gla1ve either. They can't win without each other
2022-05-23 11:45
4 replies
iem fall device
2022-05-23 14:19
3 replies
Dont think that counts especially considering device's standards
2022-05-23 14:21
2 replies
it does look at nip hltv page
2022-05-23 14:21
dont care bro you said that they didnt won anything and you are wrong dont change the narrative
2022-05-23 14:23
#43
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Czech Republic JakamanCZ
Niko
2022-05-23 01:53
still gla1ve for what he got with astralis
2022-05-23 01:56
#46
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India Relunk
As a FaZe fan I'll say gla1ve until Karrigan wins a second major
2022-05-23 01:59
CADIAN
2022-05-23 10:06
#54
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
1. Gla1ve 2. Pronax. 3. Fallen. 4. Zeus. 5. Karrigan (+5) 6. Xizt (-1) 7.Boombl4 (-1) 8. Nitro (-1) 9. apEX (-1) 10. CadiaN (~) Snappi, Hampus, Chopper, Hooxi are all close for 9th -14th spot
2022-05-23 10:14
old astralis weren't micro-managed by gla1ve, they had top-tier decision making, templay, utility usage, comms, anything - u name it. while dev1ce isn't the "goat awper" or the "goat player", i don't think gla1ve is the goat igl either goat player - s1mple goat igl - karrigan igl of the best team ever existed - gla1ve best player of the best team ever existed - dev1ce
2022-05-23 10:10
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" they had top-tier decision making, templay, utility usage, comms, anything" And who do u think invented that? Gla1ve with zonic xd That's a high dose of copium
2022-05-23 11:33
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gla1ve invented teamplay? wow ok did not know that
2022-05-23 11:37
1 reply
In astralis - yes. You think all these things create themselves?
2022-05-23 12:37
gla1ve helped designing a race car and became its pilot. the car turned out to be much faster than others but gla1ve was competent to drive it, so he won 4 races. does it make him the most skilled pilot in history tho? questionable now let's take karrigan who helped designing gla1ve's fastest car and who designed 3 more cars after that, securing a lot of top placements in the process. and eventually, he won a race too guess u got the point. if gla1ve is the best pilot in history, please sir, design a new car and win at least 1 race driving it, confirm u can consistently design race-competing cars like karrigan. yes, right now he doesn't have materials needed to build a winning car, but he should've at least qualified for the race, u know it's been 6+ months with the new core and i don't know what the goat igl is even doing. im an astralis fan too, but im tired of lying to myself. gla1ve needs to step up and prove himself, despite how many majors he won with the old "car"
2022-05-23 13:03
CARRYGUN by far
2022-05-23 11:21
karrigan!
2022-05-23 11:32
gla1ve
2022-05-23 11:33
Gla1ve.
2022-05-23 11:35
karrigan easily gla1ve is the most overrated igl
2022-05-23 11:36
#67
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Sweden skorpan
None of them: 1. Pronax
2022-05-23 11:37
1. karrigan 2. gla1ve 3. FalleN
2022-05-23 11:45
#73
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Sweden itscubeR
yes goat karrigan
2022-05-23 11:46
Aleksib /Closed
2022-05-23 12:45
If Karrigan wins another Major + GS then he's the GOAT no question about it, otherwise at the moment it's glaive.
2022-05-23 13:15
#80
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Denmark bigboyillu
Gla1ve still. He innovated the way CS is being played today, and without him, FaZe might not have won.
2022-05-23 13:16
Wood7 >>>>>
2022-05-23 13:17
1. karrigan 2. aleksib 3. pronax 4. fallen 5. zeus 6. happy
2022-05-23 14:21
1 reply
lmao
2022-05-23 14:40
#95
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Aruba defoliant
You really creating this post the day after Karrigan won his Major at the age of 32????
2022-05-23 14:24
1. gla1ve 2. karrigan 3. FalleN/pronax any list beside this order is just stupid bs.
2022-05-23 14:27
Its still gla1ve by a mile
2022-05-23 14:28
- Gla1ve - TabseN - Karrigan - FalleN - Aleksib
2022-05-23 14:38
as much as i love karrigan, glaive has 4 majors and he changed cs utility usage. karrigan has developed so many good players and i love him, but you cant deny how great glaive was, 4 majors and a total dominance
2022-05-23 14:39
#104
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Finland mehub
1. aleksib 2. gla1ve 3. karrigan others irrelevant
2022-05-23 14:40
#106
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Brazil PUNHETO
fallen must be top 3 after all he did, not only playing but to the brzilian cs scene and his legacy in international scene, since 1.6 until now with imperial
2022-05-23 14:47
For me karrigan is not really in top3. he did win major now, but has crazy roster of great individuals around him. If he won it with weaker roster, I would probably give more credit for his IGL skills for this one major already. In finals karrigan might just run mid and die and still have advantage cos any other player was capable of clutching. e.g. in inferno he just ran and died, but ropz did that 3k with that smokepeek to long??? crazy stuff 1. gla1ve 2. pronax 3. FalleN 4. karrigan
2022-05-23 14:49
Hampus of course of all time pronax and gla1ve mabye?
2022-05-23 15:00
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