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gla1ve > karrigan
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North America Buff_Krieg_2020 
facts.
2022-05-23 01:22
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2022-05-23 01:22
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let me correct his statement. Gla1ve = greatest IGL of all time overall Karrigan = best IGL currently
2022-05-23 02:49
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Until someone elevates a team to a 4 major, a grand slam, and literally changed the way the game is played -- do not ever put gla1ve's name next to anyone. Surely Karrigan is the best IGL right now, but pay your damn respects to the old gods.
2022-05-23 02:59
24 replies
well said
2022-05-23 06:27
Old gods? I mostly agree with your statement but Karrigan has been playing pro cs for well over a decade lol
2022-05-23 06:49
13 replies
He was a pro when I played 1.6 that was before 2010... EDIT: He's been a pro since 2006
2022-05-24 00:23
So has gla1ve? He was a professional in CSS , and played for one of the best teams in Denmark in the early 2010's?
2022-05-24 17:59
7 replies
#165
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Argentina xpl0d3
CSS lol
2022-05-24 18:19
2 replies
What lol? Just because CSS had a smaller scene compared to 1.6, it still provided competitive matches and tournaments.
2022-05-24 19:09
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#175
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Argentina xpl0d3
Cringe, css never was a thing
2022-05-25 09:57
In 2010's? You know CS:GO is from 2012 right?
2022-06-02 09:44
3 replies
I know. Try to read my comment again. I wrote "early" 2010's. So 2010 and 2011 and also 2012 before the release of CS:GO.
2022-06-02 18:12
2 replies
Anyway he was 14-15 years old I didnt follow the scene but I dont think he was somehow big PRO in it that we should call him OLD GOD. But I can be wrong
2022-06-02 22:18
1 reply
He played for one of the best teams in Denmark at the time - CSS wasn't big no, but if you played for one of the best teams in your country, you were considered "pro" even though the viewership, salary etc. were minimal to non-excistent
2022-06-02 22:51
So if we go by your logic, that puts chrisJ and any other pros still playing from 1.6 era as GOAT material. What a big brain take holy fxk
2022-05-25 09:21
3 replies
you missed the point, also dont disrespect GOATj
2022-06-02 09:22
2 replies
his point was: karrigan has been playing for over a decade, so he is considered as good as gla1ve 2018-2019. he literally made "playing long enough" a literal criteria to become goated, what the hell other point are you trying to get into here lmao. Also, bongJ is bongJ. Its the honest truth, not a disrespect. A disrespect is like this: chrisJ is t2 at best(which is only an example, in case you are dense)
2022-06-02 09:27
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he said he mostly agrees with the fact gla1ve is better the point was you said dont disrespect old gods (gla1ve) and he just said karrigan is well known name from 1.6 times is much older and plays much longer so if somebody should be called old god than its karrigan not gla1ve... THAT IS THE POINT
2022-06-02 09:49
#103
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Netherlands arTvamp
+1 HELL YEAH. you hit the nail in the coffin on the right Place about this subject FFS!
2022-05-24 00:24
flag checks out
2022-05-24 13:25
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#134
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Denmark Saithz
Karrigan is also danish tho?? If anything the flag in this case only makes in his point more valid KEKW
2022-05-24 13:52
1 reply
LUL
2022-05-24 16:45
#150
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Sweden saamuel
+1
2022-05-24 17:38
old gods LMFAO
2022-05-24 18:39
lets jsut say gla1ve 0 tier 1 event wins since 2020 karrigan 3 out of 3 events won including katowice and major
2022-06-02 09:35
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lets just say gla1ve 4 majors, grand slam, made an era, and changed the game(tactical structures) karrigan 1 major, 2/4 grand slam, and multiple event win on different rosters Even if you ask your dog, they'd easily recognize who's way more decorated. Putting timelines is just asking for a stupid argument. There was a time when karrigan is dogshit like gla1ve is now and its a hell lot stinkier that what gla1ve's going through.
2022-06-02 09:48
#199
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Denmark Lynild123
+1
2022-06-02 22:58
#101
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Netherlands arTvamp
+1
2022-05-24 00:23
#143
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Portugal Jozuh
yet to see gla1ve winning with different cores
2022-05-24 17:13
14 replies
who tf cares karrigan got kicked from astralis cause he was not good enough and gla1ve took his place and won 4 majors gla1ve has almost only played with 1 core since he joined astralis karrigan best igl rn gla1ve best igl of all time
2022-05-24 17:37
13 replies
Why would you need more than one core to settle yourself as one of the greatest IGL's and also win everything possible? Just because karrigan has been succesful with different lineups/cores doesn't make him the greatest of all time. Yes, is he ONE of the greatest of all time, but not THE greatest. I'd still put two or three IGL's over him only due to the fact that they have been more consistent.
2022-05-24 18:03
3 replies
i dont know if you commented on the wrong comment because u just agreed with me but yes playing with different cores doesn't matter i agree and karrigan is not close to gla1ve
2022-05-24 18:04
2 replies
I must have misread your comment then - my bad! I think I may have thought that you thought that karrigan was the greatest because of the different lineups he has played and IGL'ed for! My bad again!
2022-05-24 18:07
1 reply
ur good lol its just a bit ironic considering my username haha
2022-05-24 21:53
#159
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Portugal Jozuh
karrigan won trophies with tsm ( astralis core ), he didnt manage to win with astralis but was the same team, diff org, gla1ve did way better on astralis with that core, after dev1ce left they won nothing, karrigan won with 3 different teams a lot of tournments was not just lucky runs. For gla1ve to be the best for me he has to prove himself with this astralis roster at least.
2022-05-24 18:06
8 replies
All you did is add another criteria to surpass the current GOAT achievements. You just unconsiously admitted gla1ve is the GOAT lmao dont make it hard to yourself. If you read again, i said that until someone goes above and beyond to what gla1ve achieved then its the only time they can challenge the GOAT title. Its honestly impressive enough that karrigan is attempting this and i actually root for him.
2022-05-25 10:19
7 replies
#178
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Portugal Jozuh
What I said was karrigan was and is successfull in every team he is, meanwhile gla1ve was just successfull with the core device, xyp9x and dupreeh, he didnt manage to won anything without those 3 and z0nic.
2022-05-25 11:11
6 replies
You only came to that conclusion because someone already did the standard criteria of being IGL GOAT: Winning multiple majors, grand slam, and dominate into an era. Then you added: Win with multiple teams to become the IGL GOAT. Come one, man. You just added a new box to check lol. Give credit to the first IGL and just proclaim the dude. You won't even begin to think like that if not for gla1ve doing what we did, do you realize that?
2022-06-02 09:14
5 replies
how can you be the goat IGL when you can only win with only one core of players?
2022-06-02 09:31
4 replies
Since when did winning with multiple teams/roster became a damn criteria to become GOATED? I'll tell you when: Since gla1ve won all the "standard" criteria. Do you people realize that you're downplaying the achievements gla1ve did? Is winning multiple majors, a grand slam, make an era, and change the game an everyday thing? What is wrong with you people lmao get it straight man.
2022-06-02 09:39
3 replies
isn't winning with multiple different rosters proof that you are a great IGL? if you can't win with different rosters doesn't that tarnish your skill as an IGL? if gla1ve manages to find success with this new core I would happily swallow my words but to me karrigan is the goat IGL
2022-06-02 09:56
#202
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Portugal Jozuh
in the same criteria you put coldzera as the best player of all time alongside s1mple and zywoo.
2022-06-02 23:16
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#203
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Portugal Jozuh
and get_right. No dev1ce, never the best player so....
2022-06-02 23:17
the igl who could win with exactly one roster and sucked with every other
2022-05-24 17:16
4 replies
That igl won 4 majors and a grandslam using absolute dominance and made an era. So far, karrigan is only set to make a grandslam and we all know its not set in stone. Do you think this kind of conversation would even happen back in Astralis' era? Yeah, until we can do the same with karrigan's faze, its still glaive's throne.
2022-05-25 09:33
3 replies
No but I dont think Glaive gets the credit in any similar fashion, he had 4 super stars, a top 3 awper, 2 top 15 riflers and a man who would win any clutch. He was able to lead a single team of super stars yes. But thats it, he cannot lead anyone else in any similar fashion to any success. Compared to karrigan who won titles with fucking ChrisJ and Woxic He made 4 different lineups into title winners, Glaive got 1. He isnt that good of a leader, he only had the perfect pieces
2022-05-25 14:14
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If we go by that design, karrigan at one point also had a "superstar" lineup but crumbled. Also, Astralis 2018-19 never was a team of superstars lol its just sheer team coordination and guess who's on the helm. The criteria for winning championships on multiple rosters only became a hot topic because someone already did the "usual" criteria to be goated(multiple majors, grandslam, and dominate an era). Now, apparently, you also have to win on another roster like wtf lmao like changing the game wasn't enough huh. All you people do is just add a "checklist" to the already known checklist for GOAT status. You only came to that conclusion because gla1ve did a feat not seen before, give credit when its due man.
2022-06-02 09:22
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I would say a team with 5 top 15 players is pretty much a super star team A top 2 awper 2 top 10 riflers A clutch minister that WOULD WIN the 1vX, not could like shox or perfecto but actually would consistently Ofc Gla1ve was a huge part and his brilliance needs to be credited. But you cant deny that making multiple rosters into title contenders isnt much more indicative of your ability to lead than being able to do that with only 4 very specific players
2022-06-02 13:56
#2
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Russia lpz126
Sure no IGL is close to gla1ve until you win 3 to 4 majors, but currently karrigan is the best
2022-05-23 01:23
65 replies
+1
2022-05-23 01:24
no hes not xD
2022-05-23 01:25
28 replies
#15
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Russia lpz126
Then who is currently the best IGL?
2022-05-23 01:27
26 replies
gla1ve of course, it's just his minions isn't up to snuff right now
2022-05-23 01:29
23 replies
#21
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Russia lpz126
No, it’s karrigan
2022-05-23 01:30
he has blamef and k0nfig if he was the best igl rn he would at least make it out of challenger stage
2022-05-23 01:34
16 replies
+1, what a fact
2022-05-23 01:37
Farlig is still relatively new to the team and building a team takes longer than people think and Xyp9x is lost right now, think his role is colliding with blameF somehow
2022-05-23 01:42
12 replies
sure not saying it's a contender level team but if he was the best igl rn he could do more with it
2022-05-23 01:43
There you go, Glaive isnt good enough as an IGL to make a system around them, Karrigan managed to made 4 star players play together in Faze 2017/18.
2022-05-23 01:48
4 replies
Dude, Farlig is new and Xyp plays like he's washed up.. fixable things but integrating a new player and especially an AWPer takes time even for the best
2022-05-23 01:59
3 replies
Nonsense, he just isnt good at making a new system, he knows how to play one way and thats it.
2022-05-23 02:08
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#104
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Netherlands arTvamp
No (one way) you dont keep ahead of the game and win 4majors by only knowing how to play one way. WHAHAHA this has gotto be the most retarded comment Ive read recently. since at least a month
2022-05-24 00:26
1 reply
+1
2022-05-24 12:49
new team lol. Karrigan has won huge tournaments with standins. AST didn't even change that much stuff to revolve around their new player. The magisk IGL without an awper and bubzkji is better than the current astralis. Even NIP made top 8, changing lots of stuff for brollan to come in.
2022-05-23 02:39
4 replies
One day you may realize the nuances that makes a team really tick because it's not as easy as you appear to believe, from a pure firepower perspective then Brollan is definitely an instant upgrade whereas downgrading from Device to a Lucky and now Farlig while having a lackluster Xyp9x in the mix trying to find his place in a new core. Time will tell, we all have our different opinions but I know they'll grow a lot better as they get more coherent.
2022-05-23 12:55
2 replies
Blamef and konfig were the firepower replacement and surely glave could have decided to keep bubz instead of xyp if he wanted.
2022-05-23 15:10
1 reply
bubz instead of xyp would indeed be an improvement as of right now, but who knew Xyp wouldn't get back to his old self? I personally believe that blameF scoops up the frags usually left for Xyp, their roles/playstyle may conflict!?
2022-05-23 18:06
#105
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Netherlands arTvamp
Oh come on Astralis could of also made it you know its damn close. it goes like this for quite some teams. I know in the end, results count so yeah for now have your blatter.
2022-05-24 00:28
gla1ve is modern days' msl. astralis are the reincarnated north basically. it'll take a lot of effort to get out of the mud they are in rn
2022-05-23 06:32
#60
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Israel McBeany
+1
2022-05-23 02:07
I would take broky, ropz and twistzz anytime over fartlig, baitF and xyp9x
2022-05-23 03:08
#75
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Norway BijeaN
LOOOOOL Gla1ve not even top 5 IGL right now.. shut up
2022-05-23 03:01
tf you talking about? he calls some really poor T sides
2022-05-23 06:23
His minions? k0nfig and blame are top talents lmao.
2022-05-24 00:24
#130
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Sweden ezwuo
Lmaooo just when you think Astralis fans couldn't be more delusional
2022-05-24 13:06
#137
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Niger Feline
xD
2022-05-24 16:48
Aleksib
2022-05-23 06:23
aleksib bestest igl?
2022-05-24 12:28
Glaive is super shit rn just download a demo and see for yourself.
2022-05-23 02:45
Ok but its all with the same core, the same team, the same coach, Karrigan has taken multiple international teams and made them winners, some of them in the middle of the Astralis era. Look at Glaive now, now he doesnt that have that lineup he cant do anything, he cant even build a team.
2022-05-23 01:34
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#32
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Russia lpz126
I’m talking about all the time, not now, probably because the danish scene is becoming talentless right now, the good players are all stacked within specific teams and there are not many options for him to build the team
2022-05-23 01:41
25 replies
Ok then go elsewhere make an international line-up, no there is always talent out there you just have to find it, Glaive has never had to find talent a build a team, he walked right into a team with one of the best entries, one of the best awpers, the best clutch and support player and the only piece that changed was Kjaerbye for Magisk.
2022-05-23 01:43
24 replies
#43
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Russia lpz126
So why karrigan with that line up didn’t work? There must be some secrets about gla1ve how he lead the old Astralis that karrigan doesn’t have Talking about igling, the very important thing is winning but not building a team, and gla1ve wins much more than karrigan does and it’s a fact
2022-05-23 01:49
17 replies
I dont know I mean if you look at the games they lost go and look at them Device would disappear, I'm not kidding Device at one point was known as a choker I think it might have been the psychologist they started seeing. He won more with one team and one core lineup, and it was a team that was already built for him, he's never had to build his own team.
2022-05-23 01:53
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#48
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Russia lpz126
You still didn’t answer my question, why the so called karrigan built Astralis core never worked with karrigan? Explain this or please just shut up
2022-05-23 01:55
9 replies
I did, I cant know for sure but what is likely the case is their age, Device is 26 now, he was about 20 when Karrigan played with him as was clearly not as mentally strong and also you dont know Astralis wouldnt have won the 2017 major with Karrigan you cant know that no one can.
2022-05-23 01:59
5 replies
#56
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Russia lpz126
So how do you know they can win all 4 majors with Karrigan? All your claims are based on unjustified assumptions, mental this mental that, broky is 21 years old right now, so one year old difference makes broky more mentally stable to win the major? Just shut up please and look at the facts
2022-05-23 02:02
4 replies
Yes it does 1 year more of experience can make a huge difference also different people are different, some people are natural born winners at age 18 some people arent, it takes more time, Device was known as a choker so was Xyp9x, but glaive has never made a team, that team just needed its players to mature and they would have won.
2022-05-23 02:06
The reason they couldn't win with karrigan is because they were big chokers. They were still big chokers with gla1ve until they hired a sports psychologist and worked on the mentality aspect of the game. They basically brought this aspect to CS and allot of other teams adopted this after Astralis won their first major. I'm not saying they would have won with karrigan, but saying that he was the sole reason is also disingenuous imo.
2022-05-23 02:06
2 replies
They also forget this, who did TSM have to compete with in 2015? Fnatic, trying to win anything in that era was a fucking task, in 2016 SK existed but they werent what Fnatic were, same as in 2017 it was much more wide open for people to win. A great team in 2015 might win nothing a good team in 2017 could have a shot at a few titles.
2022-05-23 02:24
1 reply
Very true, the TSM karrigan was fucking great. They won several finals vs fnatic and was the number one team for a short time. The majors were disappointing for them though and I think it was time for a change when they added gla1ve. Somehow people still think the team was a total failure with karrigan, which is just silly.
2022-05-23 02:32
It worked tho??? They were a title contender under peak fnatic. And they weren't that good until karrigan joined. It took glaive joining an already title contender to make it good. And then a beast magisk that slot right in, into the core that karrigan already created + glaive to actually make it really good.
2022-05-24 17:10
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#170
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Russia lpz126
Still gla1ve makes it win 4 majors, so just cry more
2022-05-24 20:35
1 reply
*zonic
2022-05-25 05:07
Glaive has like 4 more tournament wins than karrigan, he doesn't win much more
2022-05-23 01:55
5 replies
#49
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Russia lpz126
Major is a huge factor you need to understand the difference between 4 and 1 majors, kid
2022-05-23 01:56
4 replies
Hey kid I never said majors are not important I just said he doesn't win much more
2022-05-23 14:34
3 replies
#99
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Russia lpz126
4 majors vs 1 major is equivalent to much more, closed kid
2022-05-24 00:13
2 replies
So pronax has won much more than karrigan by your logic
2022-05-24 11:52
1 reply
#109
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Russia lpz126
majors before 2016 are not as valuable as majors after, since the scene becomes much more competitie
2022-05-24 12:20
#45
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Russia lpz126
And talking about finding talents, Brody is the only talent and it’s not found by karrigan, the others, ropz, twistzz and Rain are all T1 professional players for a long time, sure karrigan invited ropz to join but that doesn’t mean he find him, you think it’s possible for gla1ve to invite some non-danish pros to join and learn danish
2022-05-23 01:54
5 replies
But he made them into better players, thats the point. He's built teams from the ground up and made them into winners time and time again, Glaive has never built a team he walked into a team ready to win.
2022-05-23 01:55
4 replies
#51
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Russia lpz126
So does this also apply to the old Astralis? They barely win with karrigan but gla1ve walks in and makes them better?
2022-05-23 01:58
3 replies
Ok look at the game they played watch them, Karrigans calling was never the issue it was players going missing. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/26706/.. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/23351/.. You also have the age factor, Device in 2015 under Karrigan was 19-20, very young, he wasnt the same player as he was 2 years later.
2022-05-23 02:02
2 replies
#62
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Russia lpz126
Oh so your theory is device after two years become a Superman that carries his team winning four majors and igling makes no difference, sure just believe what you wanna believe clown
2022-05-23 02:08
1 reply
No, thats not what I said I said the players within the team needed time to mature. In 2015 Device was 19/20, Dupreeh was 22, Xyp was 20 and the other player was CajunB, who even in 2015 wasnt that great.
2022-05-23 02:14
No point changing teams when the thing your doing is working. Its like faze changing teams right now after winning the major. Like your point doesn't make sense.. Also gla1ve doesn't have much of a say on choosing teams, unlike karrigan and pretty much every igl. Astralis org pretty much decides everything
2022-05-23 06:34
+1
2022-05-23 01:34
It was zonic + gla1ve. Where as its alone karrigan leading different international orgs with his talented calls
2022-05-24 12:23
5 replies
#111
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Russia lpz126
so you are saying robon is useless? sure kid
2022-05-24 12:26
3 replies
robban isnt useless lmao but zonic is way way better tactical coach than robban
2022-05-24 12:32
glaive hasn't done shit outside of zonic tho, whereas karrigan has won tourneys under other coaches.
2022-05-24 17:12
he wasnt even at the major they had some guy who doesnt play cs as stand in coach
2022-06-02 23:17
karrigan don't take much help from robban, where as gla1ve day and night suck zonic dick to find ways and make strats :D
2022-05-24 16:54
all time sure, now not a chance
2022-05-23 01:23
2 replies
cap
2022-05-23 01:25
1 reply
this is the worst time to imply someone is a better igl than carrygun
2022-05-23 01:29
#4
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Singapore kmslol
pronax > karrigan
2022-05-23 01:24
2 replies
#14
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United States b1g_poppa
pronax calls: flusha go hack at A site, flusha go hack at B site
2022-05-23 01:26
1 reply
KEKW
2022-05-23 01:35
I think they're pretty equal
2022-05-23 01:24
1 reply
#153
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Romania justlyw
nah. Now karrigan is better but Glav1e is the best of all time till now
2022-05-24 17:40
#6
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Australia NoLeS
Yeah its not really a question unless you're biased against Astralis and have an irrational loveboner for Karrigan. A more rational loveboner for Karrigan is 'He's one of the GOAT IGLs, and he is unarguably the greatest IGL of all time in regards to nurturing players and utilising them to their fullest. In terms of achievements and tactical ability/calling relative to his era(s) he's clearly behind Gla1ve'
2022-05-23 01:24
3 replies
I'd rather have karrigan in my team than gla1ve tbh.
2022-05-23 01:33
How is he? Karrigan has done it with multiple teams that all play differently, I mean do you know how hard it is to make space for 2017 rain, Niko and Guardian and have some kind of system work. He then goes to Mouse sports, we all knew how talented Ropz was but he played so much better under Karrigan. Woxic hasnt looked anywhere near as good as he did playing with Karrigan, Frozen also looked so much better under Karrigan. Lets take other stars, Niko in 2017 and 2018 had a rating of 1.23 and 1.22, he has only just managed to get back to that level in the last year, he hasnt broken 1.2 rating since playing with Karrigan. The best example is rain, Rain under Karrigan was a godly player, he then after Karrigan left got worse and worse and now hes a fucking major MVP. Karrigan has done it with so many teams, so many different players so many different styles, era's, coaches and so on Lets also look at this, when Karrigan had the TSM lineup who was he competing with Fnatic, he beat Fnatic more than they beat him.
2022-05-23 01:44
1 reply
Mousesports was built around karrigan. Karrigan was the first player to get signed. He decided the team and how he wanted to play. Faze was also a super team, they were built to dominate signing the best players in the world, didn't matter how good he called called half the team was dead just by individual duels. TSM you can compare. Karrigans style and ways of calling weren't working and weren't efficient, that's why gla1ve was brought it and they had instant success and won the major after four months. Gla1ve needs to work with what is given to him, but karrigan can choose who he wants to play with because astralis is a scummy org
2022-05-23 06:41
#7
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Brazil wIDt
10/8 gla1ve is the true GOAT IGL.
2022-05-23 01:24
All time: Gla1ve Today: Karrigan
2022-05-23 01:24
6 replies
#13
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Germany tilted_up
This. /closed
2022-05-23 01:26
+1
2022-05-23 01:28
-1
2022-05-23 01:36
2 replies
#36
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Russia lpz126
Cry more, probably go get a life
2022-05-23 01:43
1 reply
get a brain ruski
2022-05-24 12:31
+1
2022-05-23 06:55
GL@1VE 4 major Karrigan 1 major still respect both of them. legends in the game!
2022-05-23 01:25
3 replies
Karrigan made multiple teams the best and or winners, Glaive has made one.
2022-05-23 01:45
2 replies
karrigan made many teams the best and winners because he got the chance to work with many teams because he was booted off of teams so many times glaive has been with astralis because why would you, in you are in your right mind kick the IGL because of who Astralis dominated 2018 and 2019. very unfair comparison everybody has different circumstances
2022-05-23 06:25
1 reply
not true, glave played in many teams before astralis, and they were all underwhelming
2022-05-24 18:42
this guy is not even a fan of gla1ve this guy is just like a rat to ruin the celebration to faze lmao
2022-05-23 01:27
GOATigan can take any random mix and make them competitive, glaive without the Astralis core can't get any results
2022-05-23 01:29
5 replies
also remember that karrigan made the core of astralis to stars.
2022-05-23 01:33
Took shit team to major Got 2nd at blast showdown, lost to Ence who’s top 3. Made playoffs at EPL 3rd at blast fall final
2022-05-23 01:35
3 replies
#65
rain | 
Canada Ohmega
you forgot one thing: Has not won a tier 1 tournament without device
2022-05-23 02:20
1 reply
while device won iem fall with glaive :))
2022-05-24 12:32
Do remember, blast showdown has literally 8 teams, and many teams were preparing for major. Blast fall final was well-known for the cheating crowd and its a very obvious honeymoon period. Playoffs at epl with that group is fucking easy. Imagine only needing to win AGO, complexity and EG to get to playoffs.
2022-05-24 17:19
Bait thread but this community is pretty pathetic. When Astralis lose it's Glaive's fault, when Faze loses it's never Karrigan's fault but the "star" players underperformed.
2022-05-23 01:39
7 replies
this ^
2022-05-23 01:44
#63
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Ukraine ksay
tbh after gla1ve joined Astralis it's him who was mainly praised for team's achievements. at the end of their era he was seen as the greatest IGL. no wonder people are criticizing him when Astralis is underperforming.
2022-05-23 02:09
2 replies
So what? He deserved to be praised. He literally won them THEIR first major after Karrigan kept failing with the same players. Just like karrigan is being praised now. And I don't have a problem with people criticizing gla1ve but what about when karrigan loses? Crickets. Karrigan literally gets to hand pick who he plays with. He is like the PSG of CS. Literally buys the best players possible and finally won a major after a million failures but when he loses he is never criticized like gla1ve or even other IGLs for that matter. The double standard is staggering.
2022-05-23 02:21
1 reply
Bro what. Karrigan made ropz play a lot better, you can check the stats of ropz with karrigan in mouz and without. Broky best player? Few years ago was a no namer. Twistzz one of the top aimers but def not one of the best players, there is a lot of better riflers atm. And rain wasn’t performing at all after karrigan left faze. To call all 4 players “best players” is a strech, you could make a case for ropz only as imo he is the only superstar of this team right now
2022-05-23 07:03
One of the reason why astralis is garbage team right now is unarguably horrible calling from gla1ve. and it is not only mid round calling but horrible setups he has blamef and konfig (mechanically really good players) and failing to make it to the legends at major also ''when Faze loses it's never Karrigan's fault but the "star" players underperformed.'' thats pure BS lol whenever faze fails its always karrigan's fault different scenarios (rain had an off day, broky was missing his shots, ropz underpeformed) but no, karrigan has lowest rating (0.05 lower than star player while playing hard entry role and garbage ct spots) = its his fault
2022-05-24 12:52
2 replies
Probably the biggest BS i've ever read. Xyp9x and lucky are literally useless on t sides not to mention lucky is inexperienced af. Konfig is inconsistent af and blameF is not in a position to have major impact regardless of his mechanics because he is there to close rounds. If the other players fail to put him into those positions, he will never get a chance to have impact. Go ahead and try to call and compete at a high level when you have this type of dysfunction going on in your team. And no Karrigan's CALLING was never blamed for Faze's failing only his performance, but not his CALLING. /close
2022-05-24 13:21
1 reply
If dysfunction is going on its 90% fault of gla1ve LOL. konfig has 1.25 impact vs top 20 (last 3 month) (while rain has 1.20 btw) its gla1ve's fault if he cant use k0nfig properly. blamef is clearly baiting and its also gla1ve's fault blamef isnt baiting because he wants to but because it is gla1ve's call
2022-05-24 13:49
glaive achieved trophies only in Astralis roster, but Karrigan made top tier every team he played. I dont think glaive could have won EPL with mouz roster but Karrigan did. It doesnt matter the roster he is playing with for karrigan, but look at new Astralis right now. my opinion...
2022-05-23 01:45
3 replies
#147
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Sweden Akoulad
so? karrigan has had insane players on his every roster, look at faze now
2022-05-24 17:21
2 replies
Mousesports literally had Ropz, 2 young guns and ChrisJ and he won EPL with them, beating Astralis no less. Karrigan managed to mold woxic and Frozen into star players. Look at how far woxic especially has fallen off with different IGLs. Magisk, Dupreeh and Device were all star players before Glaive joined Astralis, so was Kjaerbye. The idea that Karrigan always has star players but Astralis never did is basically saying that Magisk, Dupreeh and Device are maybe slightly above average at best.
2022-05-24 17:33
1 reply
#155
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Sweden Akoulad
star players =/= insane players dupreeh magisk, kjearbye are good, but they are not even in the discussion when it comes to raw skill compared to twistzz, ropz or niko... Karrigan comes it, teams does not so good (expected for new roster), things turns around, they win something, then they drop off. karrigans pattern
2022-05-24 17:56
#41
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Brazil MentiG
maybe, but post this tomorrow, not the day when he s won the major
2022-05-23 01:46
no one cares, let FaZe enjoy their win
2022-05-23 01:57
gla1ve is the goat stop it
2022-05-23 02:00
#55
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Ukraine ksay
pronax > karrigan > gla1ve
2022-05-23 02:00
nah
2022-05-23 02:46
stop it, karrigan just won something, lets celebrate for him than comparing
2022-05-23 02:51
1 reply
lol why
2022-05-23 06:17
#80
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Sweden snallan
Bro...gla1ve watched his team win his majors. His teammates dragged his dead ass corpse across the finish line... karrigan was top of the score board all maps the entire event so don't even start...
2022-05-23 06:23
4 replies
That's not true btw, gla1ve was an amazing fragger. As much as i think karrigan is #1 igl because he made history with so many teams. Don't forget that gla1ve had really good scores as well.
2022-05-23 07:24
+1
2022-05-24 12:36
hltv.org/matches/2326427/natus-vincere-v.. Top fragging in the final, 1.15 rating in entire tournament considering igling. Please never comment on anything if you have no clue about the game. Glaive is the greatest of all time no doubt.
2022-05-24 17:42
1 reply
#164
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Sweden snallan
Same.
2022-05-24 18:12
#83
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India RycerZ
No. Both are completely different. One leads International team which is hard as history has shown. Glaive never IGLed in any other language and never played with players outside of Denmark. Karrigan has always been TOP 1 IGL. He just never won consistently.
2022-05-23 06:28
#89
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Well, I can finally say this. Karrigan has finally made it up to my top 5. Replacing Xizt as no.5
2022-05-23 06:56
1/8 1/8 1/8
2022-05-23 07:23
it s like messi vs ronaldo. 1 with all the achivements with barcelona other with different teams. they are both great.
2022-05-23 13:01
#95
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Brazil _bis0n
-major
2022-05-23 13:07
karrigan can take a bunch of randoms and make them competitive. gla1ve could only win with prime device and magisk. gla1ve needs to do more with k0nfig and blamef, two absolute fucking beasts. karrigan>gla1ve
2022-05-24 00:29
1 reply
So 3 cracked bozos on ur team aint enough?
2022-05-24 12:33
zeus number 1
2022-05-24 11:55
ratio
2022-05-24 12:32
Still don't understand why everyone's hyping him up xd Not like all the decisions during a round are made by just 1 person.
2022-05-24 12:32
0/8
2022-05-24 12:33
obviusly aleksib is the greatest igl but glave and karrigan make good top 2 and 3.
2022-05-24 12:34
#122
b1t | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
No need to write this fact it's obvious. Karrigan is probably best IGL atm, though even that can be debated since he has the most sick roster, but overall gla1ve GOAT IGL for sure.
2022-05-24 12:37
Karrigan is the best igl right now no doubt, but he is also the best igl when it comes to stand-in and winning.
2022-05-24 12:42
True, if you watch CS since 2017.Otherwise, far away from true
2022-05-24 12:47
#126
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_-
cArn > karrigan > pronax > gla1ve
2022-05-24 12:51
Karrigan #1 Gla1ve took a contender and made them number 1. Karrigan took 2 contenders and made them the best. Gla1ve hasn't been able to adapt and people forget before Astralis he was a nobody. Karrigan seems to be able to bring a team up to their peaks. Both are the 2 best though
2022-05-24 12:56
lets see what glaive wins the next few years without the "dream team".
2022-05-24 13:00
1 reply
karrigan got the 98 bulls wtf
2022-05-24 18:38
#136
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Czech Republic JameS_19
+1
2022-05-24 16:47
#138
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Brazil sprk1
karrigan is one of the best igl of all time, but glaive achieved waaay more trohpies. people who say karrigan is better are just dumb, they dont respect history, maybe dont even know what glaive achieved
2022-05-24 16:53
Fallen > both (flag unrelated)
2022-05-24 17:01
Astralis won 4 majors in a row, but somehow Gla1ve , Dev1ce got called ''got carried by pog teammates'' lmfaoooooo. When the fact is, Magic Duphree became shit without them :))), ''HLTV analyst'' are fucking biased and obsessed with K/D ratio
2022-05-24 17:20
2 replies
Magisk was playing like god in pgl antwerp tho. And hes versatile and multi role player. He can entry, he can clutch, he can do some calling. He has sick aim and movemennt and reads opponents well. He can anchor sites etc has expierence. While I like dupreeh but he seemes tobe washed.
2022-05-24 18:07
yes magisk play amazing.. only big impact kill , he is back to his level , dupreeh is too old kinda like shox , they wont get better.. their movment skill is trash , they make dumb mistakes , miss easy kills... gla1ve is still great also
2022-05-24 18:12
probably
2022-05-24 17:38
0/8
2022-05-24 17:38
karrigan > glu1ve, Lulksib, Botbl4 and others
2022-05-24 18:09
0iq comparison all time = gla1ve no doubt current = karrigan
2022-05-25 10:00
Gang
2022-06-02 09:30
No
2022-06-02 09:44
#190
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Greece Graecos
0/8
2022-06-02 09:47
Right now: Karrigan>Snappi>cadiaN>Gla1ve>HooXi
2022-06-02 10:03
Unless gla1ve can make a next team that will be a solid and consistent top 10 I won't consider him the goat
2022-06-02 23:13
karrigan > gla1ve , cry all u want , his 4 majors & whatever u say cant do a sh*t or win him a tournament, tell him to do something with cs nowadays & with his roster then comeback & create then a thread about how good gla1ve to made it far with every roster
2022-06-02 23:14
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