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Na Vi 2021>Faze 2022
Turkey Quenan31 
So far..We shall see in upcoming months tho...
2022-05-23 12:02
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#1
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United Kingdom Bern1e
of course not, cs always improves over time. players get better, teams get more refined. navi 2022 > navi 2021. navi havent got worse, just other teams have got better.
2022-05-23 12:05
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No way you think navi 2022 is better, you kidding right?
2022-05-23 16:54
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#4
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North America drac0zGOD
navi was only as dominant as they were last year because they had 0 competition and tons of teams were rebuilding their rosters
2022-05-23 16:55
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#5
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Italy senseyy8
you are truly delusional if you think Navi 2021 wasn't peak csgo team
2022-05-23 16:56
42 replies
2018 astralis would smash them lol
2022-05-23 16:58
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#10
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Germany Matrixrl1
cap
2022-05-23 16:59
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wdym cap 2018 astralis top 5 players in top 15 2021 navi?
2022-05-23 17:00
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#18
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Germany Matrixrl1
2018 astralis were way ahead of their time, but everything astralis invented back then is standard nowadays + navi´s firepower is too much
2022-05-23 17:09
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2018 astralis had higher peak
2022-05-23 17:10
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#20
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Germany Matrixrl1
i personally doubt it
2022-05-23 17:12
8 replies
that why we are humans everyone has different opinion and should be respected
2022-05-23 17:12
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#22
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Germany Matrixrl1
true. i dont think its too far fetched to think astralis 2018 > navi 2021, for me the sole reason that the avg level of players on an individual level has shot up in the past 2 years, which makes navi win
2022-05-23 17:14
6 replies
yes but teamplay over firepower imo
2022-05-23 17:16
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#30
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Germany Matrixrl1
depends how big the gap is, but in general, ye
2022-05-23 17:30
4 replies
Thing is Astralis teamplay was way beyond 2021 navi firepower, they always found impossible situations doable
2022-05-24 19:39
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+1
2022-05-24 19:44
#145
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Germany Matrixrl1
was that really due to astralis being THAT good? or other teams just not having the same standard especially comepared to now
2022-05-24 20:19
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Yes Astralis was good, not even question they survived 3y together what destroyed them was themselves by roster changes, constant breaks and wanting to prove themselves more leading to device leaving Astralis and collapse of core
2022-05-24 21:04
I've seen 3 times NAVI hit a higher peak than Ast and one of them just so happened to be against ast. Overall though I agree 2018 ast >*, no one has sustained that level of team play, but there have been better line ups on paper for sure.
2022-05-24 18:44
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On paper yes in reality no.
2022-05-24 21:05
Navi's firepower lmao
2022-05-23 17:25
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#29
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Germany Matrixrl1
everything checks out
2022-05-23 17:29
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#31
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Russia 0_0
god boombI4 23-45 across 2 maps too strong, no chance for astralis 2018
2022-05-23 17:33
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#32
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Germany Matrixrl1
ye sounds about right
2022-05-23 17:33
#193
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Iceland suriel666
god gla1ve with 3-20 in a map too stronk, 4 times major winner
2022-05-25 22:12
Literally applicable to navi 2022> navi 2021
2022-05-24 20:21
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#153
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Germany Matrixrl1
hasnt even been a year yet since they started winning everything whereas astralis was 3 years
2022-05-24 20:25
#14
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Europe everybodyz
it literally wasn't. Name at least 1 other team that could compete with them in 2021? Literally every top 5 team was shit. G2 were shuffling rosters every week, Vitality washed up with Kyojin, Faze weren't even top 5 with Olof, Astralis also washed up. Gambit were decent, but still no where near Faze 2022 level.
2022-05-23 17:01
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#34
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Italy senseyy8
Winning a major without dropping a SINGLE MAP + s1mple with 1.47 rating is simply mind blowing and record breaking regardless of how dominant were the other teams, even today, Navi 2021 would kick the shit out of Faze 2022.
2022-05-23 19:31
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#35
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Europe everybodyz
Na'Vi 2021 is the same Na'Vi as right now lmao. You think their skill dropped within a few months? Other teams just became better. And by saying other teams were shit i don't mean to demean Na'Vi, it still was a great run, but in no way it was "Peak csgo" of all time.
2022-05-23 20:40
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#36
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Italy senseyy8
delusional
2022-05-23 21:48
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#40
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Europe everybodyz
nice argument
2022-05-23 22:50
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#87
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Canada loldougie
"Without dropping a single map" This is exactly what we mean lol, they had no competition because every other top team was dead and was just waiting for roster changes.
2022-05-24 18:42
1 reply
+1
2022-05-24 19:54
#41
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Australia NoLeS
that's not even remotely true. NaVi is so obviously compromised compared to their 2021, you don't need me to tell you outright the reasons why
2022-05-23 22:51
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#53
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United Kingdom Bern1e
Why lol? its not like any of them are playing in ukraine or russia, theyre so far removed.
2022-05-24 18:27
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#88
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Canada loldougie
+1 lol this war excuse really doesn't apply anymore
2022-05-24 18:43
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#89
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United Kingdom Bern1e
especially because ukraine are winning.
2022-05-24 18:43
So they shouldn't be worried at all that their family's might get killed because of this war, while they can't do anything to help? You have probably forgotten about the war because it doesn't directly affect You, but they for sure haven't because it affects them alot mentally. You can clearly see that with s1mple tilting alot now. So what you just said is just a rude thing to say to someone who is stuck in that situation.
2022-05-24 19:35
#103
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Moldova nutel
maybe because they only had 2 weeks of bootcamp after katowice and it was before the major. While in 2021 they had a bootcamp for almost every tournament they attended. Man people are so delusional thinking you can keep your form without training properly. Faze won the major and it was deserved as they clearly were better prepared. But even with all of this in mind (preparation, s1mple underperformance and as people say bad veto for NaVi) it was a very close match and NaVi had chances of wining it. But they crumbled and did mistakes in crucial rounds on both maps that cost them the 2nd major. Still not to underestimate Faze, they where stronger
2022-05-24 19:07
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#109
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United States kami917
So it’s their own fault they’re worst, we agree right?
2022-05-24 19:24
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#114
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Moldova nutel
In some way yes cuz I doubt they would have so little preparation if the war didn't happen. But I was arguing other "point" that NaVi 2021 and 2022 are the same
2022-05-24 19:34
I do think NaVi would be better today if the war had not happened. I do not however think they are playing worse than they did in 2021 at this point, if it were not for FaZe and G2 improving a solid 25-40% they probably would have still won every tournament in 2022. They were worse in Katowice and EPL, in the major they looked pretty much just as good as in Stockholm, they were just outplayed by FaZe
2022-05-25 15:05
lol Vitality washed with kyojin, that last month period of that line up was very very good.
2022-05-24 18:45
#194
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Iceland suriel666
roster shuffle only started at the end of the season, after the major. competitive teams were G2 (made finals in Cologne, Stockholm, etc), Faze, Gambit, VP, Heroic, even Vita was competitive. This year is rather a joke in terms of competitiveness, Vita + G2 UPGRADED their rosters, yet they are doing worse, Astralis still garbage, Gambit/C9 sucking balls, all CIS teams struggle because of war and sanctions. This year has only Faze and Navi as competitive teams, with ENCE coming third, which also happens to be the current ranking. 2021 competitiveness > 2022 competitiveness. The sole fact that Faze found so much success this year is BECAUSE of the top teams having rebuilt their rosters and are struggling lmao
2022-05-25 22:15
lmaoooo coping NaVi fans are back. Navi get would max 4 rounds in bo3 against prime Astralis nt 2 week era
2022-05-23 22:52
#6
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Germany Matrixrl1
they werent just dominant. they didnt lose
2022-05-23 16:56
+1 Although idk what NaVi were doing in the finals, feels like they were asleep tbh
2022-05-23 16:57
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#43
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Australia NoLeS
busy getting clapped by Rain outside and being terrified elsewhere on the map because they had no outside control
2022-05-23 22:52
#90
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Canada loldougie
They got rammed, it happens.
2022-05-24 18:43
Tons of teams rebuiling rn too, thats some very fucked up logic by you
2022-05-23 22:58
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#56
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United Kingdom Bern1e
which teams?
2022-05-24 18:28
#92
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Canada loldougie
You don't understand, it was EVERY top team back then. Literally the world #2 team was in full dead-team-walking mode.
2022-05-24 18:44
Exactly this Yesterday FaZe < Today FaZe< Tomorrow FaZe Teams just get more refined For example: Saturday Spirit < Saturday FaZe < Sunday Spirit That's just how it works, and if you do not believe you are just coping. Simple as this
2022-05-23 17:00
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#25
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Netherlands Thomaszand
I agree with the first piece of logic, I do not agree with the second. Teams refine over time, but refining takes time. If there's a significant gap between teams, as there is between FaZe and Spirit, one day will not close that gap. Half a year is very likely to. You also do have to take into account players' individual levels though, people fluctuate in terms of motivation all the time. Due to this, you can say there's a general trend of teams improving and refining, but there is no guarantee that one team is better than the next. Would NiP 2013 with their amazing streak be able to win against any top 10 team today? Not a chance. Over such a large period of time, there's enough improvement for NiP to look like a random MM mix. A few months, days or even a year is a different case though. There's no guarantees there, however likely it is.
2022-05-23 17:25
#195
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Iceland suriel666
LOL Astralis 2018 < Astralis 2020 < Astralis 2022 ? LMAO
2022-05-25 22:17
Na'Vi did get worse. And while some teams got better, others got worse too. Last year we had Niko, Zywoo and S1mple as the top 3 players. This year it's basically B1t and Faze players so there is slightly less competitive teams right now this is why Na'Vi despite being worse would be still the number 1 team if it wasn't for Faze.
2022-05-23 17:02
na'vi hasn't been the same since their country got bombed which affected 2 of their players and coach. the tensions between ukraine and russia are also affecting the atmosphere within the team as the org is forcing their russian players to essentially renounce their nationality so they can keep playing together
2022-05-23 17:28
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#95
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Canada loldougie
This is months old news, not affecting them in the server. I think the interview with CadiaN he sort of relayed this sentiment, this excuse isn't valid anymore.
2022-05-24 18:46
7 replies
why would anyone discuss such delicate internal issues in an interview
2022-05-24 18:47
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#99
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Canada loldougie
I dunno? Ask him and the interviewer
2022-05-24 18:47
4 replies
I'm asking you because you're the one who brought it up as if it cleared any of the rumours I mentioned
2022-05-24 19:20
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#105
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Canada loldougie
Nothing is going to happen to the Na'Vi roster, if they learned anything from Vitality in 2021 it's that you never make roster changes to the World number 2 team.
2022-05-24 19:21
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tell that to electronic whose wife supports the russian invasion and sits at home with their child while electornic is barred from doing anything that supports his homeland
2022-05-24 19:22
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#108
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Canada loldougie
Well electronic's career is more important than whatever her beliefs are, so unless he's a massive cuck then there won't be any changes.
2022-05-24 19:24
#197
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Iceland suriel666
"This is months old news, not affecting them in the server." LOL idiot NA strikes again
2022-05-25 22:18
#49
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
you're blind if you seriously think NaVi haven't gotten worse. in Big Events, they beat everyone except FaZe and G2. "Everyone got better" is just an ignorant statement coming from delusion and copy pasting other peoples opinions because you lack the ability to form your own...
2022-05-23 23:03
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#51
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United Kingdom Bern1e
when navi were great in 2021, the current faze and g2 rosters didnt exist. but ok. So many new rosters recently. Theres no reason to belive navi have got worse, in fact perfecto and bit are even better now. The only weak link in that team now is boom.
2022-05-24 18:25
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#107
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Canada loldougie
+1 lol I'm not even sure why this kid got so upset and started calling you delusional and accusing you of being unable to formulate your own opinion. Na'Vi is the same team they were last year, the difference is that there is actually competition now.
2022-05-24 19:23
there is no way u think teams are better now than in 2021 XD
2022-05-24 18:26
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#59
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United Kingdom Bern1e
of course they were, Faze are better now, g2 have a better roster now, vitality have a better roster now, ence are better now, spirit are better now, nip are better now. furia are probably about the same. the only teams that have got noticebly worse are astralis. Its so obvious that teams have got better, G2 managed to get to a major final with their roster last major, now theyre roster is better with more firepower and they cant even make the play offs.
2022-05-24 18:30
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Here, fixed for you g2 have a better roster now, though playing worse, dunno why vitality have a better roster now, though playing like shit ence and spirit are better now nip are still the same, with different names in the roulette furia are actually better than before the only teams that have got noticebly worse in both roster and gameplay are astralis and outsiders.
2022-05-24 18:33
wtf? g2 had a completly differant rosted now and the last major? are you good? and this time they didnt even make it to playoffs? only reason ence and nip are in top 5 is because all other teams suck ass at the moment
2022-05-24 18:32
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#66
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United Kingdom Bern1e
thats literally so bs and you know it. this major had such strong showings from so many teams. the level of cs was so much higher than last major.
2022-05-24 18:33
#110
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Canada loldougie
+1 again, based takes from Bern1e in this thread
2022-05-24 19:25
#61
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United Kingdom Bern1e
another reason: navi were able to win a major without losing a map last time, now they lost many maps and even lost the final 2-0. Clearly teams are better if navi are literally the exact same team.
2022-05-24 18:30
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they lost 1 map to heroic in playoffs they still went 3-0 in groups? what are you smoking bro?
2022-05-24 18:33
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#67
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United Kingdom Bern1e
3 = many
2022-05-24 18:34
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what? 3 is the max u can play in groups? im losing brain cells reading ur comments
2022-05-24 18:35
#69
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United Kingdom Bern1e
also lost a map against NIP. so 4 maps lost in the major.
2022-05-24 18:35
18 replies
what? they lost 2 maps ? what are you talking about? what am i reading?
2022-05-24 18:35
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#74
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United Kingdom Bern1e
they lost 1 against nip, one against heroic and two against faze.
2022-05-24 18:36
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even navi last year lost some maps to nip and many other weak teams but they still won 2-1 ? dosent matter if u lose 1 map if u win the whole thing
2022-05-24 18:37
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#79
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United Kingdom Bern1e
we were talking about the maps they lost. and it does, winning 2-0 like faze did against navi in the major grand final is better than a 2-1 win.
2022-05-24 18:38
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win is a win no one cares if its a 2-1 or 2-0
2022-05-24 18:39
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#82
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United Kingdom Bern1e
teams do. fans do. commontators do. orgs do. everyone does.
2022-05-24 18:39
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source : trust me bro those are just empty words mens
2022-05-24 18:40
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#84
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United Kingdom Bern1e
saying "mens" makes me annoyed that i wasted my time talking to a 15 year old. Have a nice day.
2022-05-24 18:40
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yup when u get called out for talking shit u lose all ur petty arguments didnt expect more tbh bye bye back to ur cave
2022-05-24 18:41
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#86
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United Kingdom Bern1e
15 year old confirmed. grow up and learn to have an adult discussion about a game we both love.
2022-05-24 18:42
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"15 year old confirmed" im dying laughing rn bro....nice argument btw
2022-05-24 18:43
Lol, what a convo, you extremely passive aggressive towards him, you just want to "win" an argument to for some kind of fulfillment . " adult discussion about a game we both love." Fuck off with that shit you don't really care.
2022-05-24 18:50
"Petty arguments" Claims faze wouldn't even be top 3 if other teams were "better". You are doing the exact same thing idiots were doing in 2021 when they discredited NaVis wins based on the fact that everyone was gonna make roster moves. Gj man
2022-05-24 18:52
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but this year no one is making roster moves and everyone is worse than before open ur eyes people please
2022-05-24 20:21
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So you're just a confirmed hypocrite. Just gonna stoop to your level of arguing. NaVi only beat bad onliner teams and terrible one man army teams (G2 and Vitality). No impressive wins for them in 2021. cry is free
2022-05-24 21:02
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your logic is so flawed.... how can u say that gambit were a bad team same for g2 and vitality all three amazing teams i mean flag checks out i quess faze fan spotted of course ur gonna disagree with me
2022-05-24 21:06
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Don't need to be a faze fan to recognize insanely biased NaVi fankid. I'm willing to recognize that ever since the online era ended, CS has been very competitive. Teams are constantly making moves to keep up with the current level, and new star players are emerging from every corner. That's not good enough for you. It has to be a low level of competition because NaVi isn't number one, but when they were winning; the competition was at it's highest. Sure dude
2022-05-24 21:43
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i never said that competition was high in 2021 im just saying that its lower now than in 2021 all good teams died exept navi and heroic
2022-05-24 23:12
hard cap, navi 2021 were famous for fighting back till they win. navi 2022 more looking like online 2020 navi showing mental weakness, choking and giving up across all events they'e attended so far in 2022
2022-05-24 18:56
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#111
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Canada loldougie
Same team, same skill level, competition is just present now
2022-05-24 19:28
23 replies
same team same skill level very low moral competition worse than last year
2022-05-24 20:22
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#154
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Canada loldougie
Competition worse than before? Surely this has to be a bait.
2022-05-24 20:25
21 replies
? gambit (c9) was top 1 not long ago now they are very bad? vitality were top 2 last year where are they? g2 were top 2 also? where are these teams? what teams are competition this year? ence? furia? nip XD? Surely this has to be a bait.
2022-05-24 20:27
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#160
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Canada loldougie
Gambit - Still a great team, just had a bad event. They were number 4 before it. Vitality - Top 2 team making huge roster changes, really says something about the level of competition no? G2 - They are definitely worse now, probably internal issues within the team. They were never really contenders though, just better than all the other dead teams. Furia, Ence, NIP are all playing excellent CS, have you not been watching? Furia sort of disappointed at the major but no worries.
2022-05-24 20:41
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from top 1 to top 9 i dont think its because of few bad events ... g2 are worse vitality are worse gambit are worse of course teams like furia ence and nip are gonna go up the ladder i mean if not them who? they didnt make any changes? good teams from last year became shit and, not as good teams "became" "good"....they stayed the same just competition got lowered
2022-05-24 20:50
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#162
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Canada loldougie
They didn't make any changes? NIP - Brollan (Star swedish player) ENCE - Maden Furia - Saffee Are you trolling? Also Cloud9 was Top 1 ages ago lol they were mostly around number 4
2022-05-24 20:52
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nip - brollan played in 3 events for nip in all 3 events played bad only top 8 in showdown and all others not even that so brollan didnt really help nip out ence - okay i agree with this maden was a good pickup dosent mean that they should randomly skyrocked to top 3 cuz of 1 player furia - i mean even with him they arent much of a competition tbh
2022-05-24 20:55
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#164
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Canada loldougie
Brollan is their highest rated player since he joined. ENCE has been playing great CS, have you been watching?
2022-05-24 20:58
5 replies
he isnt their highest rated player wtf? i agree with ence thing but this ence could never beat 2021 g2 or gambit or even vitality
2022-05-24 21:04
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#171
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Canada loldougie
2022-05-24 21:08
3 replies
stop and think for a second please...."last 3 months" brollan joined nip like at the end of april of something not even 2 months ago.... of course hes gonna have better stats smh
2022-05-24 21:11
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#173
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Canada loldougie
lmao dude
2022-05-24 21:12
1 reply
yea dude
2022-05-24 21:12
there were no faze, ence, furia, nip, spirit in 2021, g2 in kato was > g2 2021, heroic vitality c9 are more or less same, navi only lost confidence from actual decent competition which was nonexistent last year
2022-05-24 21:14
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what do you mean "there were no faze ence nip and spirit" ? they were there but could not do anything cuz competition isnt as low as this year but yea ur flair checks out so u wont care whatever i say so i dont really wanna bother
2022-05-24 21:16
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im saying strong competition like those teams were nonexistent last year
2022-05-24 21:18
6 replies
yea they couldnt do anything cuz competition was high not that its lower they can finally win some events
2022-05-24 21:19
5 replies
competition is by far higher rn which teams last year can compete with them?
2022-05-24 21:23
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there is no way competition is higher rn like only good teams rn are faze broken navi and heroic maaaybe ence and thats it . last year u had VP gambit navi g2 vitality sometimes astralis surprise etc. only people who say competition was weak last year are navi haters and/or delusonal people
2022-05-24 21:25
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lmao those teams still exist today in more or less same form and would be worse than the teams i named, everyone saying otherwise here so if everyone sounds deusional to u sorry but chances are ur the one delusional
2022-05-24 21:30
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gambit 2021 > every team in 2022 im not even gonna talk about g2 and navi in 2021
2022-05-24 21:32
1 reply
lol
2022-05-24 21:35
ence and nip in top5 XD we've seen these teams in playoffs
2022-05-24 20:33
?? ahha
2022-05-24 19:31
that's obv
2022-05-23 16:55
cry is free
2022-05-23 17:03
#17
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Libya Planum
So what?
2022-05-23 17:03
maybe, but im 100% sure 2020 iem katowice navi was the best version of their team ever, everybody playing individually perfect and also as a team. they had 0 problems absolutely destroying everybody
2022-05-23 17:20
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#27
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Netherlands Thomaszand
What can be considered as playing perfectly, is often just a lack of being exposed by others. Do you truly believe their position and aim was perfect 100% of the time? I can guarantee you it wasn't, and therefore the big difference between that roster and any after or before is not them, but rather their opponents. Once teams reach the top, people actively study them. They copy their strats and figure out how to counter their playstyle too, which leads to seemingly worse performances from players on that team. In reality, they are playing the exact same way but are being exposed. You can safely assume that if a team wins more than two tournaments in a row without dropping in dominance, they have reinvented some of their playstyle. They have improved their own play and versatility significantly, to avoid being countered by the inevitable many teams who've studied them.
2022-05-23 17:28
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saying that someone is good only because everyone else is bad is the most dumb statement i have ever heard. there is so much hypocrisy in that. like at that time they just were insane, ofc not perfect to 100% but the played perfect cs to the point where they had no issues easily winning over the best teams with the scorelines being 16:2 16:3 and so on, they just demolished them in every aspect
2022-05-23 18:02
ofc, NAVI were literally unbeatable at some point in 2021, FaZe are still dropping maps & matches from time to time.
2022-05-23 21:53
7 replies
+1
2022-05-23 22:15
Because competition is higher. At the end of 2021, literally every team was a joke to watch playing cs:go. This major, you literally had every team beating every team + t sides got way more aggressive than at the end of 2021.
2022-05-24 19:58
5 replies
+1
2022-05-24 20:00
+1
2022-05-24 20:06
nah, you literally can make the same excuse for current cs level NAVI - political problems, ENCE - can't perform on big stages, Heroic - inconsistent af, NiP - no awper, Spirit - fluke run, G2 - joke team + new coach & IGL, Furia - just bad, C9 - massively fell off + don't remember to ban Nuke, Vitality - language barrier + zywoo is underperforming massively, Astralis - can't figure out what they want to do with this roster, Liquid - no comments, Outsiders - dead team, others are simply not good enough. If every team is beating every team it doesn't mean that all teams are very good about teams, that's not what I actually think about them (partly), but it's the same excuse level
2022-05-24 20:12
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People who say navi political problems still, must be joking. Not even s1mple used that anymore. He said that it affected them in katowice but after that they got used to that and they don't think too much about that anymore. It's been months since that started aand he relocated his whole family outside. So please Competition was as bad as rn in 2021. Otherwise na'vi wouldnt be that strong at the end of 2021. You had 3-4 good teams at the end of the year. The same happens in 2022, you have 3-4 good teams.
2022-05-25 22:38
#201
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Iceland suriel666
"Because competition is higher." HAHAHHAAH what? Competition: - Astralis: bots - Vitality: dropped in groups - G2: dropped in groups - Gambit/C9: dropped in groups - Heroic: dropped in quarters - VP/Outsiders: dropped in groups - Liquid: dropped in groups the only competitive teams this year are Faze, Navi, ENCE. Btw Navi still competitive even though their country got literally bombed and is still at war, with some of their players being victims of sanctions and visa problems. Faze only switched 1 player and all other teams suck because they rebuilt their roster
2022-05-25 22:26
no, navi was on top because all other teams had problems, only gambit and heroic played good and have been consistent semi finalists, those two are the only teams that didnt change since then
2022-05-23 22:14
9 replies
what are you talking about? what about g2 in 2021 and vitality?
2022-05-24 18:27
8 replies
#62
rain | 
United Kingdom Bern1e
both g2 and vitality have better rosters now and are doing worse, why? because faze, nip, spirit, furia, ence etc have all improved massively.
2022-05-24 18:32
7 replies
no? its because their roster sucks? maybe use ur brain....g2 old roster top 2 team they change it and they are not even top 5 ? nip furia ence didnt do anything the competition just got lowered a lot
2022-05-24 18:34
6 replies
#72
rain | 
United Kingdom Bern1e
so you genuinely think amanek is a better awper than monesy?
2022-05-24 18:35
5 replies
of course not but they had more succes with nexa and amanek
2022-05-24 18:36
4 replies
#76
rain | 
United Kingdom Bern1e
yes, because as so many people have told you already on this thread, 2021 teams < 2022 teams. Ask any commontator of csgo, and its blindly obvious that the level of cs teams rn is higher than it was at the end of the pandemic, where teams were stuck with their rosters due to travel issues.
2022-05-24 18:37
3 replies
i completly disagree. you are very wrong
2022-05-24 18:38
1 reply
#80
rain | 
United Kingdom Bern1e
in your opinion. which in my opinion is incredibly bias.
2022-05-24 18:38
just look at navi 2021 after lans comeback cologne and navi right now s1mple 2021 > s1mple 2022 b1t 2021 > b1t 2022 elec 2021 >> elec 2022 boom4 2021 => boom4 2022 and only perfecto 2022 > perfecto 2021 and still navi top-2 team beating everyone, with team playing way worse, sure faze really step up, but everyone else start playing worse gambit/c9 really bad, g2 alexibot tier-3 IGL cant handle such team, vitality cant go international, competition really bad right now, and i would say wasnt that huge in 2021, but navi 2021 and faze 2022 really really strong teams , but competition overall isnt that good
2022-05-24 21:30
#44
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Aruba defoliant
turtle brain > your brain, so far. We shall see in upcoming months tho...
2022-05-23 22:53
3 replies
as always 0 arguments only insults keep it up
2022-05-24 18:28
2 replies
faze better
2022-05-24 20:07
1 reply
nice argument
2022-05-24 20:20
NaVi still top 1, Astralis never existed imgur.com/gallery/xwBqmeQ
2022-05-23 22:54
massive copium
2022-05-23 22:58
Against dead teams kekw
2022-05-23 23:01
5 replies
teams are more dead now than in 2021 xD
2022-05-24 18:28
4 replies
#124
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Bulgaria thealexxy
pov: ence and furia dont exist
2022-05-24 20:00
3 replies
u really think ence and furia are good teams? i mean ence sure they can show up sometimes but furia nah
2022-05-24 20:20
2 replies
#188
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Bulgaria thealexxy
ence are #3 team in the world rn, made consecutive playoffs with no superstar on its team, finals in epl s15, semis in major, and furia are also consistent as well. not to mention the dark horse spirit. dont just check-off them just bcs you are a fan of s1mple and watch only him. teams in 2021 were more dead than now and thats like 60% of the reason why Navi were so dominant in 2021 - they made their roster change in early 2021 and are with the same team until now, while other teams changed players like handkerchieves.
2022-05-25 12:41
1 reply
"ence are team in the world rn, made consecutive playoffs with no superstar on its team" they dont have a superstar player yet they made it to nubmer 3...think about it....please use your brain...no superstar yet number 3....competition so low u can make it to the top 3 without a star player xd
2022-05-25 14:30
Cool made up story
2022-05-23 23:07
if competition becomes good faze will probably not even be top 3 but they still maybe win a event or ttwo
2022-05-24 18:29
lol. Too fast to say that final 13 out of 16 times + won 11 of those 13. Beat that. Will be veeeeery HARD for FaZe.
2022-05-24 18:30
6 replies
"final 13 out of 16 times + won 11 of those 13." ???????? NaVi didn't win 11 finals in 2021 da fuq
2022-05-24 18:46
5 replies
Im sorry, only ten. 1) BLAST Premier: Global Final 2020 - 1st 2) BLAST Premier: Spring Groups 2021 - 1st 3) DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 - 1st 4) StarLadder CIS RMR 2021 - 1st 5) Intel Extreme Masters XVI - Cologne - 1st 6) ESL Pro League Season 14 - 1st 7) BLAST Premier: Fall Groups 2021 - 1st 8) PGL Major Stockholm 2021 - 1st 9) BLAST Premier: Fall Finals 2021 - 1st 10)BLAST Premier: World Final 2021 - 1st + 1) BLAST Premier: Spring Finals 2021 - 2nd 2) Intel Extreme Masters XVI - Fall: CIS - 2nd + GRAND SLAM BLAST PREMIER WORLD LEADERBOARD - 1st Will be VERY TOUGH FaZe to beat that! Very tough. ONLY 3 tournaments outside TOP 4. JUST EPIC YEAR. The best year ever. U cant compare FaZe to that. Yet. Only Astralis have had similar year. Noone else. And btw, the will be back.
2022-05-24 19:33
4 replies
Bro, you have to stop including group stage finishes and online qualifiers. What matters is S-tier events, and some other events that had allot of good teams. NaVi had insane results in 2021, but including stuff like "StarLadder CIS RMR 2021 - 1st" and "Intel Extreme Masters XVI - Fall: CIS - 2nd" is pointless. If you're looking at what faze has won in 2022 it's two S-tier events and the major. Shouldn't be including stuff like "1-3rd at BLAST Premier Spring Groups 2022"
2022-05-24 19:56
2 replies
+1
2022-05-24 19:59
By your way, FaZe is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY FAR from NaVi 2021. 3 wins, maybe their last wins this year.
2022-05-24 20:34
Na'vi won 7 tournaments in 2021. So get out of your horse btw Only Astralis had similar year? Astralis destroyed everyone in their prime. Don't compare na'vi to astralis or any team in this game yet. They had dominance. Na'vi had no era, Faze had no era
2022-05-24 20:03
obviously, with s1mple and electronic in god mode faze would have no chance against them
2022-05-24 18:35
14 replies
Rain shut down their potential god mode real quick
2022-05-24 19:57
13 replies
both were underwhelming the whole major tbh, only b1t was carrying
2022-05-24 20:02
12 replies
Not really. Electronic was their best player in the playoffs B1t went quiet in the playoffs compared to legend stage.
2022-05-24 20:04
5 replies
oh yeah, in playoffs electronic was really good and b1t actually underperformed, and the other way around in groups but a 1.20 rating for s1mple is also pretty underwhelming, even though it sounds stupid to say lmao
2022-05-24 20:06
4 replies
I know. But we have to count that even if na'vi played bad that nuke. Faze played that inferno really good and rain was so good on nuke so.. It's really sad to hear people saying that this team won cuz all other teams are bad, same argument all the time xD
2022-05-24 20:08
2 replies
agreed. truth is, every team is trying their best, and the best of the best makes everyone else look bad i think we saw the same navi as stockholm, but they just hadnt improved, you know what i mean?
2022-05-24 20:11
1 reply
I think people were just scary of navi at the end of 2021 because it was dominant. That played bigger factor that their gameplay i believe. But s1mple was godmode in the playoffs. He dropped a bit this tournament
2022-05-24 20:13
You cant always expect that kind of performance.. Especially not when Competition is bigger.
2022-05-24 20:08
S1mple just totally destroyed ence day before. I mean when someone is in god mode is hard for enemy players to reach that. And its not always s1mple.. Sometimes is s1mple, sometimes b1t, NiKo, stav etc.. And for now, it was rain :)
2022-05-24 20:07
5 replies
true. but i did feel like s1mple was quite off in form this whole event nothing against rain, dude played like a beast the entire time, but i feel like the finals wouldve gone differently had s1mple shown up for the major like last time
2022-05-24 20:08
This wasn't s1mple best tournament at all lol. b1t was the one carrying their team through legend stage. I don't even think they would've got this far without b1t dropping 1,5 rating. S1mple wasn't really playing that good until playoffs
2022-05-24 20:12
3 replies
tbf s1mple had only 1 good game in playoffs - vs ENCE, and that because NAVI looked like they were a league above them
2022-05-24 20:20
2 replies
Yes. I don't know if in that game was ence playing bad or navi being good. After finals and the whole event
2022-05-24 20:24
1 reply
I think ENCE have some problems with playing under pressure. Just need more experience. But NAVI were really good as well (better than in finals imo)
2022-05-24 20:31
currently, considering the results, Navi must prove that it is better than Faze, but I particularly think that Navi is better but this russia vs ukraine war seems to have reflected on the Navi team...
2022-05-24 18:46
1 reply
Not anymore in this major, atleast. S1mple said team that it affected them in katowice and it got better with time and that everyone in the team is on the board and it wouldn't be an excuse to not win the major. Since it's a 'worlds' problem now and he managed to re locate his family
2022-05-24 20:28
G2 2022 > All
2022-05-24 19:41
1 reply
+1
2022-05-25 14:56
Yeah , I think the war has impacted the team a lot As usual they can never have any luck on their side
2022-05-24 20:04
1 reply
Cope
2022-05-25 14:57
#130
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Turkey TheKaiser
huge L
2022-05-24 20:05
you brainless kid /closed
2022-05-24 20:06
#135
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India co5m0s
navi 2021 major with 0 map loss btw choko fan
2022-05-24 20:07
Dosia > dogshit 2021 NA'VI fake era. go home kids!
2022-05-24 20:09
tf you cant compare two teams when one is still in its "peak" once its over then you can compare makes zero sense to even compare teams as obv faze 2022 would be beat like astralis 2018 cause everyone's level increases, new smokes new metas etc
2022-05-24 23:15
its close but 2021 had no competition so navi won more
2022-05-25 22:17
Nice quite an argument hehe
2022-05-25 23:30
+1 peak s1mple electronic and b1t will beat faze imo
2022-05-26 02:59
Faze were playing at like 70% this finals, not even in their peak form yet
2022-05-26 03:39
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