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Defining 'ERA'
Turkey Quenan31 
Alrighty boys let me be the official refree and ill take all of your valuable opininon ofc.Lets define a literal definition of 'era'. Lets talk about majors first,i think this is the most important thing in defining an 'era',but i dont think winning one major should be enough in defining era should be at least back-to-back or maybe at least 2 out of the last 3 majors should be won by the same team. S tier tournaments;now this is different.It shouldnt be defined within a year just like LG/SK era where they won lots of S tier tourneys back in 2017 but nothing in 2016 so era's should at least take more than a year to define,meaning Na Vi's era chance is still not out if they happen to win next major and maybe couple S tier tourneys. Hl TV top 1 discussion:this also matters a lot in my opinion at least 20-30 weeks in a row at top 1 dont forget boys longevity and dominance are the most important factors ofc im open to opinions as a refree waiting for your comments!
2022-05-23 20:54
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2022-05-23 20:55
must have at least 40% hltv users using their flair
2022-05-23 20:58
4 replies
I guess we are in IMPERIAL era
2022-05-23 21:05
2 replies
they have imperial era in brazil yes
2022-05-23 21:11
1 reply
fair +1
2022-05-24 01:00
lol
2022-05-24 12:02
nip had era fnatic had era lg/sk had era astralis had era liquid had mini era /closed
2022-05-23 20:59
31 replies
/open i agree +1 /closed
2022-05-23 20:59
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Italy MulaManca
I don’t think I agree with Liquid having an era, as much as I liked them back then. I agree with all the rest tbh.
2022-05-23 21:01
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#154
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Brazil Ferba
they won the grand slam, they were the first or the second team to be able to do this after astralis i guess
2022-05-24 04:16
3 replies
ok 4 S Tier Tournaments apparently then, but no Major included which has been mentioned explicitly by OP!
2022-05-24 14:56
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#207
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Brazil Ferba
i agree, the fact that they did not win the major is pretty sad. But they were the the team that broke the astralis dominance in half. It was already pretty boring to watch astralis win every tournament. i'm not saying that they did or did not have an era. just bringing up their achievements
2022-05-24 18:42
1 reply
ok cool :)
2022-05-24 20:08
Winning a grandslam in a record setting time is at least deserving of the title "mini era" I would argue that accomplishment was parallel to what defines an era
2022-05-24 18:48
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Europe 2hot4u
"mini era" no!
2022-05-23 21:01
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Finland HARD4ENCE
If NaVi didn't have an era then neither did Liquid. There's no such thing as "mini era".
2022-05-23 21:04
3 replies
+1
2022-05-24 01:17
+1
2022-05-24 14:23
+1
2022-05-25 02:44
/open 'mini era' this defeats the entire point of the thread, and navi were more dominant for a longer time than liquid anyway, stop. /closed
2022-05-23 21:05
/open liquid had no era others correct /closed
2022-05-23 22:41
That's very unbiased Liquid never had an era,major is the most important factor my friend,you cant deny this fact,Na Vi having an era is debatable but i think they need 1 more major to cement it
2022-05-23 22:42
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navi "era" >= liquid "era"
2022-05-23 23:05
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Brazil golduffrag
NaVi era > Liquid era
2022-05-23 22:53
Liquid had no era. The rest i agree :)
2022-05-23 23:23
oh come on Na'vi dominated second half of 2021 and won a major, surely they had an era
2022-05-24 00:22
5 replies
i didnt include navi because theyre era isnt over yet
2022-05-24 00:31
3 replies
I think with the tournaments faze has won in 2022, it's very difficult to argue that this is a "break" in the NaVi era. The major blew that one up imo. Ofc, one can argue that they had an era in 2021.
2022-05-24 00:50
2 replies
still got second place tho
2022-05-24 01:02
1 reply
+1
2022-05-24 01:18
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North America hi_mens))
Navi never had an era, liquid never had an era.
2022-05-24 19:15
/open liquid and luminosity/sk did not have eras /closed
2022-05-24 01:00
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#204
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Brazil Amassado
how can you say that and lg/sk didn't have a era? i think i undertand why you think this about liquid,because they didn't get a major and the era was just 2 -3 months ,but why lg/sk? in 2017 they won 8 camps A/S Tier in 8 months(abril-descember) and in 2016 they won 4 camps(two majors,dream hack and esl prolegue) i think 2016 was not too camps(only 4) to say that was a era,but come on , were two majors
2022-05-24 17:52
all right but last
2022-05-24 01:05
#182
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India NinX
I agree with most. Grandslam + Major plus more than 150 days on no.1 spot on HLTV = Era. Liquid didn't win their major. Major should be a major factor in determining Era.
2022-05-24 14:38
Liquid had no era. Same thing with Navi. Winning at least 2 majors in a close timespan is a must
2022-05-24 18:59
Liquid no major no era Only a real run from 2nd of june to 21 of july Way to short. If you count iem sydney They lost cs_summt and did mediorce in the ecs in the time span
2022-05-24 21:10
if liquid had an era the NiKo Faze and Navi had one too
2022-05-25 12:50
I'm agree with you, for me 'ERA' it´s like LG/SK in 2016/2017 2 major in a row and winning big tournaments in the year
2022-05-23 21:01
10 replies
They only won 8 big tournaments in 2 years hardly deserving of an era
2022-05-23 23:09
9 replies
0/8
2022-05-24 00:38
#113
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United States Zedsamcat
Thats like a third of the major tourneys tho
2022-05-24 00:54
MLG Columbus 2016 (major) ESL Pro League Season 3 Finals (tier S) ESL One Cologne 2016 (major) cs_summit Spring 2017 (tier A) IEM Sydney 2017 (tier S) DreamHack Open Summer 2017 (tier A) ECS Season 3 Finals (tier S) ESL One Cologne 2017 (tier S) EPICENTER 2017 (tier S) BLAST Pro Series Copenhagen 2017 (tier S) ESL Pro League Season 6 Finals (tier S) two major's, 8 big tournaments, 2 tier A tournaments. definitely a era
2022-05-24 00:58
6 replies
i think more than one major in a row with big tournament wins in between classifies as an era
2022-05-24 01:06
Colombus Pro league finals Cologne Syndey Ecs Epicenter Pro league Btw blast isnt considered an s tier tournament All the others are irrelevant tournaments filled with tier 3 teams except for sk Over 2 years with several dry periods through three different roster changes Do i need to remind you why teams change roster 99 percent of the time? Because they arent winning tournaments On another note with your logic of not counting for dry periods of several months the astralis era began in december 2016
2022-05-24 01:43
4 replies
You mentioned EPL and Cologne as just one tournament, but they won both in 2016 and 2017. "Btw blast isnt considered an s tier tournament" #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #7 attended and isn't an tier S? stacked event as fuck "All the others are irrelevant tournaments filled with tier 3 teams except for sk" Both Gambit and Immortals (PGL major finalists that year), sk and fnatic attended at DH Summer. Sure it was an irrelevant tournament?About cs_summit, Vitality won the same tournament, under the same conditions, and everyone gave it big tournament merit. When they said that fnatic had an era between 2015 and early 2016, they mentioned such tournaments like Fragbite Masters, DH Open's and even a fucking Inferno Online Pantamera (LOL xD) to give them credit. "Over 2 years with several dry periods through three different roster changes" They changed only the fifth player two times, and kept the other four-man core (fallen, cold, fer, taco) in all 9 tier S tournaments. Not even to mention the fact that the first tournament they won was in April 2016, and the last one in December 2017. All 9 big tournaments they won were in 1.5 years, less than two years. We may not like Brazilian fans, but lg/sk had an era whether you like it or not
2022-05-24 04:00
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I didnt say i agreed with blast not being considered a s tier tournament My mistake i did forget to list the other cologne win Who cares if it is the exact same team gambit at that time period are much worse than the iteration at krakow Immt are garbage and you cant convince me otherwise Fnatic were struggling pretty bad after the reunion why do you think it fell apart so quickly Dreamhack opens dont have the same meaning in 2015 because there no such thing as dreamhack masters tournaments Fragbite masters are the same level as blast And i never once seen anyone mention whatever that tournament is The fact that they had to change rosters so often means they were struggling be sure to tell me when nip and fnatic struggled in their era The only dry periods that dont hurt teams are player breaks the fact that like 7 different teams (not fact checking) won a s tier tournament after they won cologne 2016 should all the proof needed to show they were not dominant enough to be considered to have an era I dont even remotely hate Brazilians on this site but the fact that people like you believe that being amazing for 3 months than eh (for their standards) for longer than when they were amazing Then amazing again for like 3 months then eh for 3 months in to being amazing again is anywhere near dominant enough to be considered an era is baffling to me At least in my personal opinion an era can only be held a 5 man team not a core If nip in their 87-0 streak dropped fifflaren before losing a game their era is over imo
2022-05-24 04:31
#161
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Brazil danllst
+1 thank you for rekting this biased LULquid fanboy from all brazillians fans. We love you now, MR. HLTV_MEMES.
2022-05-24 05:44
1 reply
Yeah he didnt rekt me in the slightest
2022-05-24 11:57
#9
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Brazil hugoooo
Era = when a team is the clear #1 for several months in a row
2022-05-23 21:02
7 replies
several months? Then we've had sooo many eras
2022-05-23 21:04
1 reply
#30
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Brazil hugoooo
We've had the few eras everybody knows
2022-05-23 21:50
Shouldnt be only that bro but its a big factor
2022-05-23 21:06
#188
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Brazil ac_Z
In my opinion it should be Major + Top 1 for some time. Because there are teams that only won the major and did not do well in any championship before or after (Gambit 2017) and there are also teams that dominated some championships and were top 1 but did not win a major (Liquid, Gambit, etc).
2022-05-24 14:52
3 replies
+1
2022-05-24 16:26
Not just one at least 2 out of 3 majors i believe otherwise it would have been a lot easier to have an era
2022-05-24 16:36
1 reply
#225
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Brazil ac_Z
I, for example, consider that Navi had an era in 2021, as he dominated most of the year, won the major undefeated and there was no doubt that they were the best team. Faze is starting an era in 2022...
2022-05-24 21:38
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Brazil bronly4
era is a french new age band
2022-05-23 21:02
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Finland AliSabid
why does ppl think that navi didnt have a era? they literally won 8 tournaments last year, one being major and even got a grand slam :D also, 37 weeks in a row top 1, 2nd most after astralis' record
2022-05-23 21:05
5 replies
navi no era
2022-05-23 23:01
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Brazil _Awper
Online CS... 1 Major + 3 LANs is not era worthy, I think they would keep the pace this year without the war, but it is what it is... No era.
2022-05-23 23:05
1 reply
#136
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France HippzZ
+1
2022-05-24 01:26
They won 8 tournaments in 2021???? Which 8?
2022-05-24 05:39
1 reply
#173
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Finland AliSabid
Blast Premier Global Final 2020, DreamHack Masters Spring 2021, Starladder CIS RMR 2021, IEM Cologne 2021, ESL Pro League 14, PGL Major Stockholm 2021, Blast Premier Fall Final 2021, and Blast Premier Global Final 2021.
2022-05-24 13:25
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Estonia nokkiii
NaVi had an era, but it wasnt as dominant as the other teams. 53 weeks in top #1 is very good.
2022-05-23 21:04
16 replies
it was very dominant
2022-05-23 21:13
half of the time was online and the other half off season thats why. 53 weeks sounds cool untill you look further
2022-05-23 22:42
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Estonia nokkiii
thats why i said it wasnt as dominant
2022-05-23 23:02
2 replies
just isnt an era.
2022-05-23 23:35
1 reply
#185
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India NinX
I will say NaVi should be considered as a mini era. They complished 3 key elements 1. Grand Slam 2. Major. 3. 150+ days on HLTV no. 1 spot. (Consecutively) Why 150... cause fnatic at its dominant time was 123 days at no. 1 spot.
2022-05-24 14:41
was it 53 weeks in a row? i think not but still not enough wins for an era at least one more major to talk about it what do you think guys?
2022-05-23 22:44
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#50
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Estonia nokkiii
2022-05-23 23:03
53 weeks? Lmao nice joke
2022-05-23 22:59
2 replies
#49
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Estonia nokkiii
Peak #1 Time at peak 53 weeks hltv.org/team/4608/natus-vincere Idiot
2022-05-23 23:03
But not in a row "idiot"
2022-05-23 23:09
no era nt
2022-05-23 23:01
that system is a bit strange, this year Na'vi lost 1 semi-final match and it was enough for them to drop their 1st place and Faze after winning 2 events was automatically the top team.
2022-05-23 23:15
4 replies
What do you mean? Navi have done nothing in 2022 other than being a great team. Its actually impressive they held onto the #1 spot until April.
2022-05-23 23:36
2 replies
other than being a great team? I mean in tennis for example your results from the previous year matter, so you need to defend the points you won. Here it looks like all it took for Faze to become the number 1 team was to win 2 events and even if Na'Vi won more than them last year and even played semi-finals in Katowice, their points are still lower than of Faze. Faze was 2nd best team after winning the first event, even without winning anything last year.
2022-05-23 23:39
1 reply
I don't think the system works like that or maybe im wrong. But if I remember their system is based on the teams performance over the past 3 or so months.
2022-05-23 23:41
i think it was after pro league quarter finish they dropped their #1 spot
2022-05-24 19:11
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's still subject to opinion and that's what makes these discussions interesting, like with GOAT/BOAT discussions, because it can never really be official. There is a general consensus that only three teams actually netted an "era": NiP invented and created it, fnatic capitalised on it by having one during a more competitive scene and Astralis' is seen as the most successful. The LG/SK era is contested by many users for not either being long enough or dominant enough to define era-defining dominance. It's the difference of being the best team in the world at that moment in time and having era-defining dominance; like Team Liquid or previous era-defining dominance teams being the number one team again.
2022-05-23 21:04
34 replies
That's a good point but what LG/SK achieved in 2 years deserves an era i believe they had won it all in 2 years but the dominance part is still questionable
2022-05-23 21:07
28 replies
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Exactly my point. Personally, in my definition of an "era", I break it down into two sections: "Type of dominance" and "length of dominance". LG/SK had "length of dominance" down to a T but pretty much only won the two Majors and nothing else in 2016, went AWOL until a revitalised team in 2017, won 6 S-tier tournaments consecutively but then fell again after only 5 or so months in 2017... So overall it lacks in the "type of dominance" setting but people still say it's enough over the course of those two years, so fair play to them. Na'Vi had "type of dominance" absolutely but fell short on "length of dominance", as it was 8 months after Gambit was dominating everything earlier that same year... Don't get me wrong - 8 months is astonishing and what they achieved within those 8 months is groundbreaking but was it "era-defining" or was it just being the best team in the world at that time, like so many other teams also achieved: FaZe Clan, Gambit, Team Liquid, etc... For me, it's still NiP, fnatic and Astralis but that's just my opinion. ^^ I believe we have yet to see more of the Na'Vi engine. :D
2022-05-23 21:16
27 replies
Nice book
2022-05-23 21:40
1 reply
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's not quite that long, to be honest. Thanks all the same, friend.
2022-05-23 22:07
Well its a very good point now that you have mentioned.Na Vi could still have an era depending on if they come back or not but from the looks i think not possible.Now having a problem in visa they are gonna miss another S tier tournament which pretty much will be easily won by Faze again.Another notch on their way for an 'era'
2022-05-23 22:35
Not in my book but ok, weird opinion
2022-05-23 23:09
1 reply
It's just how I quantify the "era", friend. "Type of dominance" + "Length of dominance" - In my opinion, only three teams really achieved this but I respect those who want to add LG/SK in there or even Na'Vi, for that matter.
2022-05-24 00:11
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Brazil _Awper
They won 2 Majors + ESL Pro League in 2016 + Dominating early 2017 and late 2017. They also change how CS is played, their late executions were the base for Astralis' playstyle. Also, remember that they had to play with Fox in the first major of 2017, but got to the semi-finals anyway, and the same in the first major of 2018 when they had to play with Felps, but got in the semi-finals anyway (again).
2022-05-23 23:10
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I remember and they were extremely enjoyable to watch. :) One of my favourite iterations of SK was 2017, most definitely.
2022-05-24 00:09
Not quite jonty they definitely did not win 6 tournaments consecutively they won 3 with felps fell off a bit and then won 3 with boltz
2022-05-23 23:11
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Brazil _Awper
They won 6 or 5 consecutively with Felps, but some of them were tier A.
2022-05-23 23:15
3 replies
I wouldnt call a dreamhack open and cs summit a tier tournaments
2022-05-23 23:28
2 replies
#84
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Brazil _Awper
Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't matter what you think. Liquipedia has them as Tier A.
2022-05-23 23:33
1 reply
Doesnt matter they are irrelevant tournaments They mean nothing in the grand scheme of things
2022-05-23 23:46
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yeah, it was 6 S-tier tournaments total and four of which were won consecutively looking back: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour.. <-- Still an impressive feat but only the course of a few months, not like total dominance for a year, which was AFTER they rebuilt themselves with felps and boltz, after choking to Cloud9 and other teams.
2022-05-24 00:07
3 replies
Still not quite right You are mistaking a online pro league season as a win and it still isnt in a row because they lost to g2 at the finals for that season It was 3 and not in a row Where they proceeded to not win anything for 3 months prompting a roster change
2022-05-24 00:13
2 replies
Are you still talking about 2017 or 2016?
2022-05-24 00:18
1 reply
It applies to both lol I am specifically speaking of 2017 though
2022-05-24 01:36
#73
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
lg/sk was never dominant, and didnt win much, it was a period with alot of downtime, and they lost to some dogshit teams in between majors i feel like half of the people calling for their era started wathing cs in 20218
2022-05-23 23:19
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#85
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Brazil _Awper
The team with the most weeks in the top 1 after Astralis was not dominant.
2022-05-23 23:34
4 replies
#91
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
see im not counting 3 different rosters as 1 era
2022-05-23 23:39
3 replies
#164
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Brazil _Awper
The core is what matters, it's always been like this in CS... Also, it's the same 4 players in all rosters, you are trying to make it as it was a completely different roster every time.
2022-05-24 09:48
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
so your team can go to shit, bomb out of multiple events, change players, start winning half a year later and it will still be same era, nice one m8
2022-05-25 00:04
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#230
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Brazil _Awper
Yes! I'm glad you saw some light.
2022-05-25 00:06
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Of course they were dominant, we can't just ignore 6 S-tier tournaments and four of them being on the bounce consecutively but overall as "era-defining dominance"? It was too sporadic and overall discombobulated as actual dominance...
2022-05-24 00:08
#137
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Denmark Kon10R
I may have to agree with you once again! You can take a look at #114 if you like.
2022-05-24 01:26
3 replies
I can't see that post yet. :D Once the moderators approve the post (presumably for being too long), I'll definitely give it a read, friend. :D Thank you for agreeing with my take. :)
2022-05-24 01:32
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Denmark Kon10R
Oh dear! I didn't know ... I master - we call it "blind typing" in Danish - what's the English word for it? Writing without looking? I babble too much! 😁
2022-05-24 01:36
1 reply
It's fine, many a times I've written up an extremely lengthy post that was eventually approved to be readable to others. :) It never used to be like that in the past but obviously since copypastas became a thing, as well as spamming, any post that exceeds a certain length needs to be approved first.
2022-05-24 01:52
Disagree that LG/SK era wasn't long enough. They dominated 2016 (majors) and 2017 (top tier tournaments). It's basically 2 years. I think that's long enough. Moreover, if you see the top 20 HLTV players, in 2016 cold and Fallen were top 1 and 2. In 2017, cold, Fallen and fer were in the top 6.
2022-05-24 14:46
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Yeah-- I'm aware of all that and that's perfectly fine. For me, it wasn't one continuous dominance like with NiP, fnatic or with Astralis, it was sporadic and very up and down in terms of actual dominance taking place. In 2016 they won both Majors and that's great but didn't went anything else practically till the next year, which was also a little dominant over the course of a few months but then SK went to square one again... For me, it wasn't "era-defining" or in terms of length, as in an actual lengthy singular period of dominance.
2022-05-24 15:19
very post from Jonty And yes there were only 3 eras LG/SK, liquid, Navi all come close but not really eras
2022-05-24 16:40
2 replies
I'm glad we share the same opinion.
2022-05-24 18:27
1 reply
We’re both part of the highly intelligent hltv community
2022-05-24 19:18
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Norway h0k0n0n
There's been 4 eras till now. Nip, fnatic, luminosity/sk and astralis
2022-05-23 21:10
navi also had half year era. still an era because of the timing that major came back and they won everything we probably dont want to accept navi era only because it was 6 months long, while for example Astralis, LG/SK and fnatic era lasted way longer
2022-05-23 21:10
4 replies
Era should definitely take longer than just 6 months bro,i know they've been top 1 for so many weeks and won everything but 1 major is still not enough for defining an era,6 months of dominance then going back to being a mediocre team,well still better than most teams but in their 'standarts'
2022-05-23 22:37
2 replies
what are you guys talking about ? NAVI Only lost in 2 BIG events last year. They started winning from the start
2022-05-23 23:20
1 reply
1 major is not enough for an era thats what im talking about bro
2022-05-24 00:34
#134
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Denmark Kon10R
Take a look at #114. It has to be loooong. You may call it a "dominating period".
2022-05-24 01:23
only nip, fnatic and Astralis had era honorable mention: sk /closed
2022-05-23 21:16
2 replies
/open I laugh
2022-05-23 23:08
#75
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
true, even fnatic is arguable
2022-05-23 23:21
NiP, Fnatic and Astralis all had true eras LG/SK had periods of dominance across a 2 year span but not always winning. Liquid had a 2 month period of dominance NaVi had 6 months period of dominance, but this cannot be salvaged anymore, you gotta pick up right where you left off if you want an era
2022-05-23 21:19
7 replies
I believe Na Vi still has a chance purely depending on the upcoming major and S tier tournaments,its pretty much their last chance, LG/SK is still debatable but back to back majors and dominance in 2017 up to a point might give them the edge,i mean lot better than what Na Vİ and liquid had done
2022-05-23 22:39
5 replies
This major was the last chance for NaVi to maintain their potential era, I know the circumstances are rough for them but its the end of line tbh. Can't callit an era when you havent won anyuthing for 5 months
2022-05-23 22:44
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what if they win another major with 2-3 S tier events? it doesnt have to be in a row maybe 2 S tier this year and the first one next year,i dont know for sure but as long as they win the next major we can give this argument a shot
2022-05-23 22:47
2 replies
They have to start all over again with your logic astralis era started after ecs finals in 2016
2022-05-23 23:12
There is no such thing as repairing an era 8 months later, if they go on to win the next major and some more events that is a completley seperate time period of domination/era whatever you wanna call. No one says the Astralis era started in 2017 when they won their first major, it started in 2018 cause they continued to win throughout for a good 2 years.
2022-05-23 23:21
#77
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
but lots of 2nd and 4th places never ended fnatic era?
2022-05-23 23:22
#67
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Brazil _Awper
Fnatic was not always winning either, Nip's streak is insane, but they lost tournaments to Fnatic and VeryGames too.
2022-05-23 23:12
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Estonia Nigatoni
Unbiased opinion, NAVI had an era
2022-05-23 21:20
7 replies
Thats why we are all congregated here my friend,sharing our opinions but you would have to be a little bit more specific on the topic tho.
2022-05-23 22:40
1 reply
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Estonia Nigatoni
Imo, online eras don't count (I mean they count as an "online era"). But If the team dominates for an extended period of time (Like at least half of the year), that includes several S-tier tourneys in a row and a major. Also, if most of the people compare everything to the Astralis era, theyr era was out of this world and might not ever happen again. So it's unfair to compare others to that standard.
2022-05-23 23:09
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2022-05-23 23:02
#132
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Denmark Kon10R
Take a look at #114 and let me know what you think.
2022-05-24 01:21
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#174
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Estonia Nigatoni
Yes, I get your point, but I don't agree that we should compare everything to the Astralis era, because the bar was set too high. Astralis era was the "era of eras" but that doesn't mean that the other ones doesn't qualify as an era.
2022-05-24 14:02
2 replies
#176
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Denmark Kon10R
Fair enuff. It somehow feels like a "silver medal" to me: Good, but not great. Fortunately we are all entitled to think what we want!
2022-05-24 14:15
1 reply
#218
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Estonia Nigatoni
Gold coin is still a coin :)
2022-05-24 19:49
era is a musical group who sing ameno
2022-05-23 21:42
Undisputed Eras(in order) Astralis 2018-early 2019 NiP 2012-early 2013 Fnatic 2015 On the Cusp of Era(needed a little more, also in order) NaVi 2021 SK 2017 Liquid 2019 Fnatic 2016 LG/SK 2016 Very Hard to Justify as Era, but still somewhat dominant(in order) FaZe late 2017-early 2018 Astralis late 2016-early 2017 Gambit 2021 Astralis late 2019 VeryGames/Titan late 2013-early 2014
2022-05-23 22:49
4 replies
+1
2022-05-24 01:05
#127
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Denmark Kon10R
Interesting actually. I have in fact aired the thought of calling 2018 - 2020 the "Astralis/Liquid era." Yes, Astralis won more and for a longer time than Liquid, but it was after all Liquid, that took down Astralis from top1, and then Astralis taking it back. But all in all: Astralis were lightyears ahead of Liquid who were lightyears ahead of everyone else during that time. You can go through #114 if you like.
2022-05-24 01:13
2 replies
yea i definitely agree, also idk where #114 went
2022-05-24 01:52
1 reply
#148
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Denmark Kon10R
It turns out that if you babble too much - like I do! - it has to be "approved" before it is posted according to Jonty. I'll send you a pm.
2022-05-24 03:16
astralis and fnatic only two eras /close
2022-05-23 23:03
2 replies
/open weak bait /close
2022-05-23 23:07
#131
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 Let me know what you think about #114.
2022-05-24 01:20
#52
JW | 
Ireland Sodaking
imo you need to win 2/3 Majors in a 3 Major span and apart from those 2 Majors in the same time frame you need at least 5 other events so far Faze have 1 Major and 2 Other events so not at an Era yet but are well on their way espicaly if they keep this performance level up just saying while he was 3rd in the leaderboard over the 2 maps this Final was Karrigan's Masterplan
2022-05-23 23:04
3 replies
#79
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
by your definition only astralis had an era
2022-05-23 23:24
2 replies
fnatic also
2022-05-24 00:23
#130
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 You can take a look at #114. Winning a coupla 100 dollars ain't gonna cut it anymore! 😎👍
2022-05-24 01:18
#55
roeJ | 
Denmark lonnyb
3 majors in a row
2022-05-23 23:06
A era just ends when a team loses a major like navi, their era lasted till this major, now it's faze era baby
2022-05-23 23:07
#62
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
nip era fnatic era sk/lum era astralis era thats it. You gotta win 2 majors. nip are the only exception due to winning 87 maps
2022-05-23 23:09
2 replies
nip would've won 2 majors if there were majors during their dominant run lmao
2022-05-24 03:41
1 reply
#172
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
yeah
2022-05-24 12:18
Only nip Fnatic And astralis It is straight up impossible to change my mind
2022-05-23 23:12
5 replies
LG/SK should be credited with an era, they didn't have the same accomplishments but holding on for so long was impressive enough
2022-05-23 23:19
3 replies
They didnt hold on was the issue They won 3 big tournaments with each roster All several months apart they struggled and were forced to make changes And as far as i am concerned an era has to be held by a team not a core
2022-05-23 23:30
#88
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
they didnt hold for long tho, after they won first major fnx lasted 8months or so
2022-05-23 23:37
? it was like 5 months at max and they won 3 big tournaments
2022-05-24 05:07
#126
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 #114
2022-05-24 01:06
bruh
2022-05-23 23:14
Dominating for at least a year, winning majority of the big tournaments and 2+ majors. So NIP, Fnatic and Astralis clearly had an era, LG/SK is bit questionable but i would call it an era too. Liquid and Navi had a good run, dominating for half a year and being 2nd/3rd for pretty long time too but not era.
2022-05-23 23:29
2 replies
#125
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 #114
2022-05-24 01:06
True
2022-05-24 01:42
only era i know is BIG era
2022-05-23 23:28
well, lg/sk won their first major in 2016, so its more than one year
2022-05-23 23:38
1 reply
#93
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
its exactly 8 months after first major when fnx got kicked, argument basically comes down to how much you value majors vs other tournaments, coz navi have more top results in s tier events and less losses to other teams, = more dominant
2022-05-23 23:45
#95
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United Kingdom Samfo7
Different take: An Era is a time at HLTV #1. Some teams just have really short eras like Gambit and Big.
2022-05-23 23:46
2 replies
#109
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Netherlands arTvamp
That makes it too lose in my opinion. a lot of teams can have an Era then. even a team that doesnt win majors, that holds a close position between the #2 and #1 but ends up being the #1 on hltv for a while. that hardly feels like any form of domination or the earned prestige that comes with having an era at least to me.
2022-05-24 00:37
1 reply
#111
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United Kingdom Samfo7
True but if I said the gambit era people would know when I mean.
2022-05-24 00:44
Navi can't be considered to having an era yet at least, maybe more likely if you would have dominated this major. But lets look at things. Navi have won 3 tier 1 events and 1 major since the start of their "era". That's not a lot for the last 10 months. That does not seem very dominant and era defining to me.
2022-05-24 00:04
7 replies
#108
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Netherlands arTvamp
No for sure not. they where close. If they won this major they would of had an Era. if they start to win more again and the 3rd major then we can discuss. wait and see. I dont think that it is going to happen with navi though unless they make a roster change.
2022-05-24 00:35
#122
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 #114
2022-05-24 01:05
its not their fault that some of them were online,3 tier 1 event is invalid but they definitely need this major to catch up with so called 'era'
2022-05-24 01:24
1 reply
No definitely not, but they need to keep the pace if they want to establish themselves an era. As of right, it Is not very unlikely that they do that.
2022-05-24 09:31
wdym by 3 Dreamhack Spring 2021 IEM Cologne 2021 EPL S14 BLAST Fall Finals 2021 BLAST World Final 2021
2022-05-24 05:33
2 replies
Dreamhack was before they started dominating EPL was online, doesn't count most would agree on that. That leaves 3 tier 1 events
2022-05-24 09:25
1 reply
dreamhack 2 months before 2 events they attended between dreamhack and cologne 1 was marred by cheating allegations 1 they made the final in just bc epl was online does not mean that it doesnt count. it was 1.5 years at that point when covid made everything online
2022-05-24 15:08
#101
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Netherlands arTvamp
Honestly I agree with your take. Was thinking about this myself and conclude the same. 1. Preferable two mAJORS back to back (this means Astralis, SK, Fnatic had an era, Nobody else did) 2. If not for 1, then at least 2 out of 3 majors in sequence so hopping over a major loss inbetween, they would need to be in the semi- or the finals at least of the losing major) 3. HLTV 1# position maintance To keep it simple and harsh just rule 1 and its done. Funny enough the French almost had an era with the core Kioshima, NBK and happy winning two majors. with only there rival fnatic inbetween but fnatic won two majors in a row. thats a leap too far so the french missed out on having an Era. seems fair? this means the old NIP never had an Era. so perhaps this is too harsh its just that the csgo bar has been raised of what it takes to have an era. to be fair back then there werent that many tournaments at the start when NIP ruled and dominated. so preferable we find a definition of an Era that includes past legends. because of the different time context. amount of tournaments, game updated etc
2022-05-24 00:17
3 replies
#138
RpK | 
France HippzZ
+1
2022-05-24 01:28
That LDLC Envyus combination was op kek,yeah if we take NIP into consideration majorwise they wouldnt have an era but they were such a dominant force back then with 87-0 which is worth 4-5 majors lol
2022-05-24 02:01
1 reply
#177
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Netherlands arTvamp
Yeah agree so make a rule like two majors in a row. Making only one exception for NIP since they dominated so hard when it was the begining with not that many frequent majors. Draw the line there?
2022-05-24 14:17
#114
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Denmark Kon10R
The following definition is coined by several: "A long period of history, marked by or known for distinctive character, events or developments." I got into (watching) this game, when Astralis1.0 were at the top of the world. Nowadays I just like some damn good cs: Congrats to FaZe! (I kept the flair though, but I'm a fan of great cs!) Don't know too much about the two Swedish predecessors, but I know enough to say that they were legit eras as well. SK? Not sure: Also "before my time". Liquid? Nope. They had a "dominating period", but it wasn't long enough. NaVi? Nope. It wasn't long enough, and as I have mentioned a few times: They have been the "biggest gorillaz" around, but there was nothing "special" characterising their "dominating period". Astralis1.0 set the bar sooooo high: 4 Majors and the 1st IGS 5 most winning cs go players of all time (S1mple caught up with Mag1sk) 18 mvp's for the star awp'er (S1mple caught up with dev1ce) +30 winstreak on Nuke, +20 winstreak on Inferno Utility usage: The entire world of cs go learned as good as everything they know today Approach to the game on AND off the server: Meta changing! An entire YEAR on top1 Now ... THAT'S an "era" !!! I could go on with Zon1c as the highest decorated coach and Gla1ve as the highest fragging IGL back then, but let's just conclude: It takes A LOT for any team to create an "era" after the Kings of Counter Strike or the "best team of all f**ing time!" I've seen a few comments in the above about "mini eras" ... 🙄 As you wish. FaZe at the moment are just looking awfully strong with no less than THREE trophies in a row in 2022. I'm not saying they have to "win everything for the next 3 years". Astralis1.0 for sure didn't "win everything". My point is: Astralis set the bar soooo high, so even if FaZe wins THREE Majors and a Grand Slam, top1 for 10 months ... 15 mvp's for rain or Robz ... yes, great, cool, fine, wonderful, impressive, wow ... but no. The "era of eras" ended with Astralis.
2022-05-24 01:03
9 replies
You have a point mu friend.But if Faze wins three consecutive majors and a lot of S tier events then they would have changed the meta all over again thus surpassing Astralis in every bit of aspect even if you dont concur.
2022-05-24 11:54
2 replies
#170
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Denmark Kon10R
This is not about emotions or opinions or if I concur or not. Let's look at stats, numbers and results when the time comes. Karrigan said that "this could be the new Astralis!" I doubt it but he could be right! 😎👍
2022-05-24 11:59
1 reply
i highly doubt it also but if they win 3 consecutive major hell even if na vi wins the upcoming 2 majors thats probably enough.
2022-05-24 17:36
#178
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Netherlands arTvamp
Sk defiantly had an era. What Astralis did doesnt mean you have to do what they did to get an Era. Two majors back to back should be enough proof. When it comes to Astralis we all know they had the era of eras. The king of this game. The biggest legacy. Its not likely some team will ever match or surpass that and doesnt have too. I dont like the term mini era neither thats bullshit. Set the bar somewhere and define. Anything below not an era. Everything that matches the clear criteria is an era. Everything longer and bigger is in the race of the top5 best teams of all time. Two majors back to back does that. Very simple everyone can understand no more discussions about who had an era or who didnt. Rather discuss who was the better team. This rule means the following teams had an era: - NIP - Fnatic - Sk/luminosity - Astralis This rule means the following teams didnt have an era - Virtus.pro - The french core (ldlc/envyus) nbk, happy, kioshima - Team liquid - Navi And it works. It makes sense and is fair.
2022-05-24 14:30
3 replies
#180
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Denmark Kon10R
As mentioned elsewhere it feels like a "silver medal" to me: Good, but not great, but we're all entitled to think what we want. I would probably call two Majors b2b a "dominating period" as mentioned above with a few other important trophies added. FaZe may be well on their way and they have actually added some pretty strong defenses to the meta. Time will tell.
2022-05-24 14:28
2 replies
#181
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Netherlands arTvamp
Hm it feels like you are confusing having an era with setting a record. Or winning first place.
2022-05-24 14:31
#187
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Netherlands arTvamp
There is no tournament to compete in and decide who has an era. There is no tournament to set the record being the new best team in present and past. Because not one tournament can define this. Winning a major and have a bit of a domination period is indeed not era. Thats just overtaking the ranking and be dominating for a little while. Having two majors back to back is longer. Its an easy line to draw for everyone to agree upon. The most smart and the most hltv retarded person can understand that rule aswell. I think it ks a beautiful solution that solves this issue once and for all. So we can discuss who is the best team to ever have played cs and why.
2022-05-24 14:49
+1
2022-05-24 16:41
#220
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North America BoDaddy
Well said
2022-05-24 21:02
#119
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North America BoDaddy
Winning a couple events ISNT an era
2022-05-24 01:02
1 reply
#120
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 #114
2022-05-24 01:03
era starts when u 16-0 past era holders. astralis 16-0ed sk in the faceit major, so they have era
2022-05-24 01:21
Explosive Reactive Armour is basically a second layer of armour designed to prevent penetration of typical anti tank weapons by exploding the warhead before it makes it's way to the main hull of the vehicle. Hope that answers the title
2022-05-24 02:40
1 reply
Thats a good one! Thank you for the info.
2022-05-24 11:55
ERA = Team needs to win 2 majors in a row, and have atleast 6-8 big tournaments before, in between and after.
2022-05-24 03:18
#150
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Austria Grundz
2 majors minimum with majority of other big event wins over the year Navi didn't have an era (They did get fucked by Gambit for half a year and crumbled in GF vs Faze) Liquid didn't have an era (Can't believe people are still fighting about this) Gambit didn't have an era faze will 100% have an era and I am going to hate every second of it, but who tf is up to challenging them? IEM Dallas without Navi is literally a free win and Navi/CIS visa woes will likely continue to get worse. G2 looking like shit despite having one of the most individually talented rosters. Gambit completely crumbled at the major. NiP won't do shit without a serious awper. Astralis are dead. Vitality look terrible after their changes. Their greatest competition is FUCKING ENCE. AND ENCE WON'T EVEN HHHAVE SPINX AT IEM. IT'S A JOKE. ez4ence though.
2022-05-24 03:31
5 replies
But we don't know if rain will continue to play like this or not. The game against Spirit was pretty close even with Rain having 1.33 rating and getting entry every second round on Mirage. And he won them Nuke vs Navi. If he drop to his normal 1.05 rating level then they are not that strong to completely dominate the scene imo.
2022-05-24 04:13
2 replies
twistzz will have to take his place which is entirely possible like in katowice finals, zero chance rain keeps this form up for longer than this year
2022-05-24 05:12
#158
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Austria Grundz
If not rain then twistzz. If not twistzz then broky. If not broky then ropz. Rain wasn't playing lights out at the last two tournaments and they demolished people. Doubt rain will continue this form even into the next tournament, but he always has the ability to take over.
2022-05-24 05:26
There will always be contenders brother.But i agree with you about Faze being undisputed this year.It will all come down to the next major tho.
2022-05-24 11:57
#195
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Pakistan LoOuU2
CS looks bleak with Faze dominating the shit out of everyone when you frame the scene that way.
2022-05-24 16:13
Guys also i’d like to note that there was only one major last year.If there was two N Vi probably would have won that too.Such an unlucky team with what all that they are going thru.First corona then a war.
2022-05-24 11:59
Era its when You win every S tier event. navi done this. now Faze are doing this...
2022-05-24 14:05
#183
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
For me Era would be for newer teams would be Grandslam + Major plus more than 150 days on no.1 spot on HLTV = Era. 150 cause I think fnatic was no.1 123 days or so. For older teams... there dominance has already been established LK, SK, NiP, fnatic. It's hard to quantify their eras. But I will say dominant runs with multiple trophies and major wins with at least 4 same players
2022-05-24 14:37
4 replies
#194
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
fnatic era was before hltv ranking started. after that they were top 1 for 123 days.
2022-05-24 15:38
3 replies
#224
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
So 150 days is not a very impossible standards right?
2022-05-24 21:36
2 replies
#227
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
being top 1 is also not very impressive. you can be top 1 for long time if you reach many finals but not win any event. like what happened to SK after their second major win. They didn't won any thing for 8 months and still top 1 for a long time. So winning a lot of events without a huge break is the most important thing for an era like during 2012-13 for nip, 2014-16 for fnatic and 2018-19 for astralis.
2022-05-24 23:10
1 reply
#232
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
NaVi did that too.
2022-05-25 07:28
Fnatic nip SK and astralis had their eras
2022-05-24 14:37
wait until this year concludes... NaVi barelly had a year after that IGS and first Major win, their is nothing to really rate about that at THIS current time Also FaZe might be on the run to something so hold your horses boiis
2022-05-24 15:35
#193
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
needs to 10+ relevant events in a year. majors or grandslams don't matter
2022-05-24 15:37
Astralis is the very definition of era: IMO back-to-back majors with an intel grand slam starting no sooner than the first major and ending no later than the second major can be defined as an era
2022-05-24 16:16
NiP, Fnatic, Lumo/SK, Astralis. The only teams that had eras. Make no mistake.
2022-05-24 17:38
nice
2022-05-24 17:42
#206
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Canada sentrox
There is no real answer. People can always say what they think it is though. I'd say if a team straight dominates for for a year or so with several tourny wins, it was an era. But that's just how I see it myself. Others could think differently. VP had an era, Astralis had an era, Fnatic had an era, Liquid had an era. and SK Gaming had an era in my opinion. Now just because they had an era doesn't mean they were a dynasty. In my opinion it takes ALOOOOT to be labelled a Dynasty. The only team I'd label a dynasty is Astralis
2022-05-24 18:33
2 replies
#210
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Brazil _Awper
Liquid and VP had no Era LOL
2022-05-24 18:56
argument invalid sorry vp and liquid never had an era
2022-05-24 18:57
idk, sk never had era
2022-05-24 18:44
Nip Fnatic LG / SK Astralis All these teams have eras of their own. Closest teams to define an era would be old Envyus / LDLC, Liquid, Navi. And the team atm that looks to be the next challenger is Faze
2022-05-24 19:05
8 replies
#226
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
We can consider NaVi as an era. 200+ days as no.1 on HLtv Grandslam Major I think that's pretty reasonable arguement for an era
2022-05-24 21:38
7 replies
Nop. They haven't won anything during their 'era' Compared to the 4 teams listed above Na'vi would be contender if they had a good start in 2022 which they hadn't
2022-05-24 23:12
1 reply
#235
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
How ? 253 days in number 1 spot. They won Grand slam in 2021. Won 11 event out 17 Had 2nd place in in 2 of the events out of 17. Entire year of 2021 was their dominance. I think that should be respected. Unlike liquid, they even won their major along with Grandslam.
2022-05-25 07:53
I still dont consider them as having an era, unless they won katowice and antwerp major. 2 majors is a must for me
2022-05-25 07:36
3 replies
#237
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
NiP has only one Major. You would make exception for that ?
2022-05-25 07:56
2 replies
Yes. For 87-0 thats something out of this world bro.
2022-05-25 12:45
1 reply
#243
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
makes Sense
2022-05-25 12:57
They still have a chance in my opinion if they win couple events and the upcoming major is a must.
2022-05-25 12:47
#214
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Germany xSchons
Era: String of days/weeks/months/years being the best team in the world. There is no clear point in time where an era starts, there are small eras and longer eras
2022-05-24 19:04
bump based thread
2022-05-24 21:13
LDLC/EnVyUS era is the best for me.
2022-05-24 21:19
#233
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Fiji v_v
era: something liquid did not have
2022-05-25 07:28
agreed. What i write after 'agreed' i have deleted. I mean, no need to add or take anything away from your entry. 1- "2 out of the last 3 majors should be won by the same team" 2- "maybe couple S tier should be won by the same team" if 2 of 3 Major, so most of S tier should be won by the same team. (maybe i just can add here this.)
2022-05-25 07:54
1 reply
i dont think you need a lot when you win both majors 3+ should be enough for an era,5 S tier tournaments in total top 1 hl tv for many weeks etc.
2022-05-25 12:46
Explosive Reactive Armor
2022-05-25 07:56
Alright, I was way to interested and did spend way too much time thinking about this. Meaning: probably a huge wall of text incoming, if you are not interested, just don't read it. I think, to make a generally valid definition of the word "era", it is needed to find all relevant criteria and work with that. I believe that for a team to be considered having an era, it needs 1. Holding the Top 1 Position in HLTVs Ranking for a certain amount of time 2. Holding said position for this time with only insignificant interruptions by other teams. 3. A certain amount of titles. 4. Winning the most significant achievements (Majors, Grand Slams) in the concerning timeframe 5. A certain amount of dominance in the concerning timeframe This makes the formula: Era = Top 1 Position + Uninterrupted + Number of Titles + Significance + Dominance However, the threshold that each team needs to fulfill each criterion, is and should be up to debate, in my opinion. Meaning: Even with a formula, as long as there aren't generally valid thresholds to be fulfilled, some teams still might or might not have had an era. Since I was way to interested, I looked into the most important CS:GO teams and looked up the stats. Will list it below with some comments. Team = Time holding the Top 1 position + % of holding the position in the timeframe + Number of titles + Significant Titles (Major, Grand Slam) + Dominance (% of tournament wins in the timeframe; Note: I started counting tournaments with the first win and ended with losing HLTVs Top 1 spot) Little disclaimer: Numbers might not 100% be correct, because I didnt want to spend hours by searching every exact detail, but they will definitly give a general idea Astralis (04/2018 - 05/2019) = 13 months + 100% + 11 titles + 2 majors and 1 grand slam + 61% However, one could also see the Astralis era spanning in a different interval: Astralis (04/2018 - 03/2020) = 18 months + 72% + 15 titles + 3 majors and 1 grand slam + 53% fnatic (approx. 08/2014 - 04/2016) = ? months (due to HLTVs ranking not being introduced before October 2015) + 70% (since 10/2015) + 16 titles + 2 majors + 53% NiP (approx. 08/2012 - approx. 09/2013) = ? months (s. above) + ? + 16 titles + nothing + 88% Note that there were no Majors up to 11/2013, meaning that NiP couldnt have won anything but normal tournaments. I also included some smaller tournaments due to there not being a lot of big tournaments in 2012. NaVi (07/2021 - 04/2022) = 9 months + 100% + 6 titles + 1 major and 1 grand slam + 66% LG/SK could be measured in 3 different ways and lead to different results depending on the chosen threshold for each criterion: LG/SK, V. 1 (05/2016 - 11/2016) = 6 months + 91% + 3 titles + 2 majors + 33% SK, V. 2 (06/2017 - 01/2018) = 8 months + 87% + 8 titles + nothing + 50% LG/SK, V.3 (05/2016 - 01/2018) = 14 months + 66% + 12 titles + 2 majors + 37% Liquid (06/2019 - 09/2019) = 4 months + 100% + 6 titles + 1 grand slam + 75% Now, for my own personal evaluation of the needed threshold of said criteria: 1. I believe that longevity is very important, and wouldn't consider a team which wasn't Top 1 for at least a year as having an era (meaning: no era for NaVi, LG/SK V. 1 and 2, Liquid) 2. Interruption - I also believe this to be very important - imo, the teams should probably have 75% time as the Nr. 1 team (meaning: I think the first definition of an Astralis era is better than the second, also means no era for LG/SK V.3) 3. Number of Titles - imo not as important, due to varying number of tournaments in different timespans. Imo 5 titles are already enough. 4. Significance - Imo, teams should win the most important tournaments in their dominant timespan, meaning: as long as there are majors (relevant for everyone but NiP), the team should have won one. Same goes for Grand Slams. 5. Dominance - I believe that a winrate of 50% might be a good (but harsh) threshold. Well, that was way too much text... in the end, per my threshold only Astralis, fnatic and NiP had an era, but everyone might choose his own threshold value for every criterion. Tl;dr: Era = Top 1 Position + Uninterrupted by other Teams + Number of Titles + Significance of Tournament Wins (Majors, Grand Slams) + Dominance Since there is no generally valid threshold of each criterion, some teams might or might not have had an era, depending on the threshold chosen.
2022-05-25 14:55
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