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Alternative to OT
s1mple | 
India ishan1606 
I feel sometimes, this OT is kind if bad. It takes away a lot of energy from you because every round is kind of do or die. Why not change it to something more interesting like there will be no OT. If the map is a draw then it is a draw. But if the bo3 is tied, play a short compy on the map which was not part of selected maps. Eg if the selected maps are Inferno, Nuke and Overpass, then you have to play short compy as a decider on Dust 2 or Vertigo or Ancient or Mirage. In case short compy also gets tied, make the map like a who ever reaches first to the 8 rounds takes the series.
2022-05-24 11:32
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Sounds like a very uneccessary way to do it. I dont think this makes things better or more fair.
2022-05-24 11:34
16 replies
We see a lot of OTs played like almost a short compy reaching out to 25-23. Some even touched and crossed more than 60 rounds. I think it will save a lot of time though
2022-05-24 11:37
7 replies
But OT is nice, it builds tensiom, its close, exciting, stressful. And it has mostly fullbuys (depends on the OT money different TOs use). Imo the games dont have to be shorter
2022-05-24 12:03
6 replies
#86
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Denmark TheZpike
+1
2022-05-24 12:44
#88
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Finland RPGWiZaRD
I secretely wish all matches go to OT for that added excitement/stress factor etc. If you love CS you want more, not less action.
2022-05-24 12:47
3 replies
well you cant always watch 3 maps with like 20 rounds of OT in a row but when its like a playoffs game, maybe even on stage, OT is just exciting, heartbreaking, mistakes are made etc etc
2022-05-24 13:13
2 replies
Maybe, try to find a shorter way to close the maps in very early stage of the competition. but keep concepts of OTs in on-stage event or semis and finals so that one don't loose the thrill and excitement of OTs, that too even on stage.
2022-05-24 15:09
1 reply
#130
mSx | 
Latvia CVJMZ
Dumb statement, OT was, is, and will be in cs. Dont f change anything
2022-05-24 22:45
#127
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Spain term1cal
+1
2022-05-24 21:59
#129
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Netherlands arTvamp
Agree. What could be done is only OT on the 3rd map and using a point system. A win and win = 4 points A draw and a draw means we go to 3rd map with OT winning 3rd map = 3 points A draw and win = 2 points A draw and a loss = 1 point A loss on both maps = 0 points This way the matches are also decided fairly always by a winner. Rewarding but also punishing for letting it go to 15-15. Point system resembles the better teams in the bracket. Tough route means there is still a point to gather from a draw.
2022-05-24 22:50
7 replies
I had a similar thought with points a long time ago but a bit different. These apply on bo3 Whoever reach 4 points or more wins the series. first 2 maps we can have a tie, decider map no tie (so OT only on decider) win = 2 points tie = 1 point decider map win = 3 points so.. TEAM A WIN, TEAM A WIN 4 points -------------------------------------- TEAM A WIN, TEAM A TIE = 3 (2+1) TEAM B LOSE, TEAM B TIE = 1 (0 +1) whoever takes decider map takes the series (TEAM A 3+3=6 or TEAM B 1+3=4) -------------------------------------- TEAM A TIE, TEAM A TIE = 2 TEAM B TIE, TEAM B TIE = 2 whoever takes decider map takes the series by same logic, 2+3 =5
2022-05-24 23:46
5 replies
#140
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Netherlands arTvamp
Very similiar the only thing with being able to win a lot of points is the one who loses earns nothing that can skew the bracket too much. Hence i did max 4 points to earn. Rewarding a tie is in a simliar ratio aspect.
2022-05-24 23:51
I don't like the idea that map 3 is worth 'more' so to speak in that myself. No map win should be worth less than any other to me.
2022-05-25 07:12
3 replies
#152
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Netherlands arTvamp
Theres two sides to this. Getting to the 3rd is only possible now if the first two end by draw. So good for the team that managed to get to 15-15. Bad for the other that couldnt close it out. Overall on the bracket this will fine tune the deserved teams from the rest to go through with more accuracy compared to now. Amazing tension if the deciding map which is suppose to be the middle ground for both teams would go to OT. Compared to football a map in any bo3 could be viewed now as halftime. The decider map is overtime with actual overtime if it doesnt get closed out in regulation. There is more goals or point to be earned for both teams in such a close match. But only 1 point more. A complete stamp out so a 2:0 victory still earns the most points though. It is the 15-15 results that does it.
2022-05-25 10:24
2 replies
By the example given, a team could win a map and draw the other, then still lose the series overall because they lose map 3. For me, if it is a result and a tie after 2, it should be over in favour of the team that got the win. Map 3 only comes in if it's 2 ties, or 1-1 like now.
2022-05-25 11:31
1 reply
#156
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Netherlands arTvamp
exactly map 3 only comes into play if both maps are tied. so in your example above if a team would win a map and draw the other. its over and that team won 2 points. the losing team won 1 point for drawing a map. A win is a win and a draw is a draw a loss is a loss.
2022-05-25 20:11
Sounds good to me.
2022-05-25 06:55
I dislike this idea
2022-05-24 11:34
9 replies
The whole idea or some part of it
2022-05-24 11:39
8 replies
the whole idea. Overtime is meant to be exciting and changing map would break that for me
2022-05-24 11:44
7 replies
Ohhkay. Thats one perspective. I only hate OTs because there is no definitve end to it. They can become like you play the same twice
2022-05-24 11:51
6 replies
But OT has a different feeling to it. Change sides every 3 rounds, first to 4 wins, no ecos and semibuys, the teams running out of strats and setups so they have to implement new ones on the fly or repeat old ones
2022-05-24 12:04
5 replies
Feeling part I definitely agree. But there should be something which marks as a definite end to it. If you are playing OT is all 3 maps you are potentially playing upto 1-2 maps extra.
2022-05-24 12:07
4 replies
How is OT not a definite end but a random 4th map is? And how would a random 4th map make the match shorter. And how do you avoid the 4th map going into OT?
2022-05-24 12:11
3 replies
That's what I said, who reaches the half way mark first or may be have odd number of rounds in it
2022-05-24 12:14
2 replies
Odd number of rounds is unfair towards one team, will never ever happen. I like that you share a new idea here but im sorry to say that it doesnt work like you wanted it to:)
2022-05-24 12:17
1 reply
Odd number could not be a deciding factor though, but may be only allow OTs in the decider map. It will be more thrilling when everything is at stake in the decider. The main reason if I admit, it kind of become monotonous when you see all events of Blast, ESL and IEM in almost the same format leaving aside brackets and all these good teams play each other too frequently. You could recall how much Gambit and NaVi played against each other in very short duration of time. That kind of snatches away the thrill of two titans colliding. So different type of bo3 may put different kind of advantages to different kind of teams and you can always see very diverse kind of CS
2022-05-24 15:15
I think what I don't think
2022-05-24 11:34
Cs_office should be the tiebreaker
2022-05-24 11:35
14 replies
ez t side 15-0
2022-05-24 11:36
7 replies
#12
ropz | 
Romania Laskof
and then 0-15 ct side
2022-05-24 11:37
6 replies
Easy to solve - have hostages run around a bit, make it less T sided.
2022-05-24 12:19
5 replies
One of the editions of counter strike actually had hostages who would try to sneak to the hostage rescue point, and if a T encountered the hostage who was trying to sneak to the rescue point, the hostage would apologize and go back to his spawn point (I think it was condition zero).
2022-05-24 16:24
4 replies
Haha I played all the other versions but this and never knew that. Pretty funny. Even though I was kinda joking would be fun to see in csgo .. maybe..?
2022-05-24 21:55
1 reply
Yea it's stupidly fun. Condition Zero was liked all that much, but I played it specifically for those hostage maps
2022-05-25 07:25
If it was CZ, they probably did that as it was single player anyway and didn't matter as much. Can't have RNG like that in a proper competitive match though. That's why the train on Overpass had its timing standardised, it screwed a couple of teams over when it used to be random.
2022-05-25 07:15
1 reply
yea i agree, it won't make sense from a competitive standpoint, but in itself it's a fun little feature
2022-05-25 07:27
awp_india
2022-05-24 12:00
4 replies
Thats the tiebreaker we need xD
2022-05-24 14:20
Chad comment
2022-05-24 16:10
fy_snow instead
2022-05-25 07:04
1 reply
damn I played alot on that map
2022-05-25 07:26
#60
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Canada Juicemoose
Pistols and shotguns only
2022-05-24 12:12
#7
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Pakistan LoOuU2
decide the OT on a coin toss
2022-05-24 11:35
14 replies
That is even more bad
2022-05-24 11:38
13 replies
#16
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Pakistan LoOuU2
no its the best solution or a short boxing match between the best jacked players of the both teams on stage to decide it.
2022-05-24 11:39
12 replies
blameF would literally kill everyone, CS is not based on boxing or fighting abilities. we would see Astralis 2022 era by one man army Benjamin who would choke everyone
2022-05-24 11:49
1 reply
#31
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea i know , i got a flair that supports that.
2022-05-24 11:50
fnx will kill everybody
2022-05-24 12:02
6 replies
#44
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Everybody except SteroidF
2022-05-24 12:03
5 replies
Only RAIN God can beat fnx, not steroidf
2022-05-24 12:08
4 replies
#57
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Rain Gigachad but against physical violence so he will not partake in first place.
2022-05-24 12:11
3 replies
Rain GIGACHAD will do anything to get another sweet juicy MVP win
2022-05-24 12:11
2 replies
#61
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Rain got a Major MVP now, he is satisfied.
2022-05-24 12:12
1 reply
huh? I am not talking about major mvp rain
2022-05-24 12:14
2019 Rusty vs jabbi would be interesting
2022-05-24 12:06
2 replies
#52
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I had to search up Rusty and I agree, that fight would need its own new lightweight division category
2022-05-24 12:07
1 reply
#131
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Netherlands arTvamp
Lol
2022-05-24 23:10
#8
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France marponche
No.
2022-05-24 11:36
you should have your internet privileges revoked.
2022-05-24 11:36
3 replies
XD XD XD XD
2022-05-24 11:37
india internet lulw
2022-05-24 11:49
for real lmao
2022-05-24 13:23
"It takes away a lot of energy from you because every round is kind of do or die. " you are saying the oppsite in one sentence. Thats actually some skill you have there
2022-05-24 11:39
2 replies
How come I say opposite? I only intend to say that every round is something you cannot lose because there are only 6 rounds. Thats very exhaustive in nature. Thats what I said, its take away a lot of energy from you. And you keep doing it for endless amount of time with no end in sight, its even more exhaustive
2022-05-24 11:44
1 reply
Every round is do or die, so it is too much for you, but then you suggest you want something more interesting in the next sentence? That makes even less sense
2022-05-24 12:27
i kinda like the idea of something other, but defo not your idea. like why should it be played out on another map? im thinking of something similar to penalties in football. like a 4v3 bombside take or retake haha idk would be funny if its something different than "just more rounds"
2022-05-24 11:43
2 replies
I thought about other map because it will throw extra spice into it. You choosing one of the map from 3 maps kind of work in someone's favour and even the last map too. From the banned out 4 maps both the teams could agree on which map they want decider. But retake part will be funny or something like shotgun only or Zeus and knife only or deagle only.
2022-05-24 11:48
1 reply
Would be funny for a showmatch but surely cs woupd lose many viewers lol
2022-05-24 12:07
#21
JK | 
Asia flipflop
5 1v1 aim duels like blast... maybe 3.
2022-05-24 11:44
4 replies
it would be "penalty kicks" but in cs go :D
2022-05-24 11:49
3 replies
panelaty kicks
2022-05-24 11:49
1 reply
there is not even 12, my brain is asleep, but i corrected it before ur post))
2022-05-24 11:50
#132
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Netherlands arTvamp
True That would also be a funny way to decide things
2022-05-24 23:11
I think its the most fair way to do tiebreaks personally. Like any statpadding kind of thing like aim duels, who had the highest no of kills/rating etc would be cringe. Another map could be advantageous to one team and disadvantageous to another. How will the map itself be picked. If the map is picked by a coin toss. That itself is luck based.
2022-05-24 11:48
18 replies
One can do pick and ban in the remaining maps or mutually decide which map to play. That can do
2022-05-24 11:49
17 replies
theres no such thing as mutually decide, in a best of 3, only 4 maps will be left, 2 of them will be each teams perma bans so obv getting any of them picked would be bad. THe other ban for each team is usually their 2nd worst map, or opponents best/2nd best map. How would they decide between the remaining two maps. This process also will take extra time anyway, deciding the map, getting the map into the server, getting the players logged in etc etc.
2022-05-24 11:52
16 replies
That's the point. In my opinion, if you decide mutually you will playing on a map which you can play. This will kind of force or help team in better map pools. We will not end up in a situation where you just kind of winning because of a very specific map pool
2022-05-24 12:04
15 replies
But if team A wants map 1 and team B wants map 2, how will they mutually agree on a map? It just fucks over one side
2022-05-24 12:09
14 replies
That's is the point then, team will start having bigger map pools. You are not relying on 1-3 maps.
2022-05-24 12:16
13 replies
The best teams are good on every map, its just that some of them are better than others on specific maps. But that doesnt mean they are bad. Just look at faze mappool, navis mappool etc. They can trash you on any map (but vertigo) so they can ppay 6/7 maps
2022-05-24 12:19
5 replies
I agree with your point bro. See, there was this concept of Golden ball in football also. Who so ever scored first post full time wins the match. But if no one scores the match goes on. It was tiring and exhausting. They switched it to extra time then penalties. OT is something similar. It kind of end quickly or can take all eternity.
2022-05-24 12:25
4 replies
Well, penalties can also be eternal...
2022-05-24 12:28
3 replies
XD XD XD, true.
2022-05-24 12:29
2 replies
i think the longest penalty shootout ended after more than 20 penalties each :D
2022-05-24 12:36
1 reply
Yes, I do remember that. :D
2022-05-24 12:47
Its not the point of having bigger map pools, if a team has 70% wr on 1 and 40% on the other while the other has 40% on the 1st and 70% on the 2nd. Hows it fair to just choose one map out of the two to play. Theres a pick ban phase for a reason. Teams cant be good in all maps.
2022-05-24 16:00
6 replies
I really dont get your problem with overtime, golden goal and this are completely differnt thing, not scoring a goal on either side is possible forever, but CS is different, A team is bound to lose or win a round. Rarely does it go 3-3. Thats why most of the OTS end on the first itself. Why do you want to change a completely fair way system to something less fair just cuz it stresses out the pros. I dont see pros complaining about OT as annoying. Its a part of the game. Your way will literally take up more time. Honestly I just see it as a way for you to get to see all 3 maps played whenever a 15-15 happens and nothing else.
2022-05-24 16:05
2 replies
If you think pros don't complain about OT, you should search about how much glaive was upset about this OT model when they played till 54-55 rounds and they were completely exhausted.
2022-05-24 16:14
1 reply
thats one game out of countless. Thats like pls do away with penalties, once they went for infinite time, so we ignore the times they work and only look at that once.
2022-05-24 16:19
That is the point of bigger map pool. Map pool does not mean whether you play on that map or not, its about how you perform on that map. If a Team has 40% WR on map 1, then that map is not a part of their map pool. Map pool means your WR is good at that map. Also in pick and ban, if you have bigger map pool you tend to ban the opponents best map pick. If any team is extremely good at Inferno and someone bans that map, it is not necessarily due to fact that they are bad at that map. Sometimes you make sure your opponent does not have their best map in picked maps. That all is a chess game. And if you change the rules team have to adapt themselves to win that competition. If you stick in the same format for years that means you are too comfortable in that format and not allowing any change. My point is not to make change for change sake, the point is to bring something new on table. Until there is something new, nobody will adapt and evolve
2022-05-24 16:11
2 replies
And OT changing up is not the way to change it, making something less fair just to bring about change is stupid. If you want people to have a wider map pool, just play Best of 5's, people wont have a wider map pool just for on the rare occasions they get to OT, you underestimate the work done on a map to make it part of your pool and even still it wont ever match up if it is your 5th best even wit ha good wr against those who main it in their preferred 3. Another way to get wider map pools is to change up maps for each event. Like every tournament only allows 5/7 maps to be played etc. with a different 5 maps in rotation everytime. That will actually force teams to practice on every map hard, tho its unrealistic and borderline crazy and I wouldnt want it. But doing changes to OT just for this is stupid.
2022-05-24 16:18
1 reply
The work they would have done just to eke out a wider map pool could have been done on that map to actually eke out a win instead of a 15-15.
2022-05-24 16:21
2 rounds ot. that's enough.
2022-05-24 11:50
Terrible idea. Do or die is exciting
2022-05-24 11:51
bad idea i think the current overtime format is alright
2022-05-24 11:53
#37
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Georgia Megobari
Just change money in OT
2022-05-24 11:55
#38
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Belgium Soldierce
No, just play one OT, if it's Tie again do a shoot-out with mac-7
2022-05-24 11:58
1 reply
+!1111111!11111
2022-05-24 12:01
no
2022-05-24 12:01
This just sounds like OT with extra steps
2022-05-24 12:02
3 replies
This is kind of OT, but happening only 1 time. Imaging you 3 OTs in all 3 maps. Man the match will be kind of never ending.
2022-05-24 12:05
2 replies
But will go down in history as one of the best games of all time:)
2022-05-24 12:09
1 reply
I know for viewer it is great but players I am not sure. But I remember glaive was very passed about this OT because it kind of spiralled into never ending and took almost 55 rounds, if my memory is correct(it could be different also)
2022-05-24 12:18
If the map is a draw it should go down to the following; Rounds Won As T Rounds Won as CT This would ultimately change the tactics employed during the first 15 rounds of a match as teams try and win as many T rounds as possible, It may stop all the T5v3CT saves that currently take place.... It would probably lead to teams focusing on playing storng CT sided maps first to limit the amount of T rounds that could be won before halftime. Ideas like this would be best tested out in a tier 2/3 tournament to start with though. I am sure there a loads of ideas out there but the tension and stress that OT provides does make for great viewing so not sure how much it needs changing.... If it gets to 3rd OT perhaps go to AIM MAP USP??? Ha.
2022-05-24 12:10
3 replies
I dont think a round tiebreaker in cs is fair (economy, pistol rounds etc). Also how would that change the meta, teams are always trying to get as many T and CT rounds as possible lmao Also why does everyone want teams to go for 3v5 retakes, the chances are so slim, lets say its a one in a 1000 kind of thing. Would be boring af imo cause in the next round instead of having a good buy you are on eco.
2022-05-24 12:22
Do you know that two teams have a draw when they get the same amout of rounds on each side right?
2022-05-24 23:31
1 reply
Your Logic is undeniable.
2022-05-25 14:19
#62
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World NukestrikE
Imo Big no...OTs especially in elimination matches are more or less the most intense and interesting moments. Would be huge loss for spectators
2022-05-24 12:13
"make the map like a who ever reaches first to the 8 rounds takes the series." So whoever has ct side at the end just wins? Doesn't seem fair, wouldn't work
2022-05-24 12:16
1 reply
I agree, that may be a bad idea. Some other way perhaps. But the overall idea is to bring something different into mix and throw some different kind of challenge on table. Short compy only have 16 rounds. They will be fast also but kind of buys some breathing space
2022-05-24 12:20
Play another map. If the score of Bo3 will be FE 16:12, 15:15, 15:15, Team that won first map wins the series
2022-05-24 12:17
1 reply
Yes
2022-05-24 12:21
Dude this is the worst idea ever. Who ever is man enough to not let tiredness get to them, they deserve to win.
2022-05-24 12:23
1 reply
Man playing 3-4 hrs of CS in full focus mode is exhausting. You can set up bars but when you play in front of screen, all that radiation and mental pressure takes some toll on you. I too play and after 2 hrs my aim starts getting very bad and I feel it.
2022-05-24 12:28
really interest idea
2022-05-24 12:32
#84
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Italy alegalf
I feel like OT is one of the things that doesn't need changing in cs. It is the culmination of a close match with high intensity rounds, you can tweak the economy and go for 16k or 10k but I don't mind either one or the other.
2022-05-24 12:38
#85
jabbi | 
Poland czan
if map is tied both teams just select strongest biceps in the team and an arm wrestling match decides the winner. easy solution
2022-05-24 12:41
What volvo needs to do is give more money on ot and that's it. What it could be nice is to have random decider from the maps left at the end like it was before and random side or knife to decide the side.
2022-05-24 12:47
#91
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Europe BARAO555
Knife round decider why not XDD
2022-05-24 12:53
I think they should decide it with Rock Paper Scissors
2022-05-24 13:19
#95
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Singapore BuLaiDengL
The whole point of OTs is to make it do or die tho. There is sudden death in many other games, OT is just to make it more fair with CT and T
2022-05-24 13:24
aim map instead of ot
2022-05-24 14:17
I say on lan if it gets to ot leta just turn it into 5v5 mma fight and the last one standing wins
2022-05-24 15:36
The very point of OT is to be "do or die" so this is a horrible idea
2022-05-24 16:15
aim_botz vs best riflers in team
2022-05-24 16:19
4 replies
"golden ball" first knife / zeus kill wins
2022-05-24 16:20
3 replies
football on dust2
2022-05-24 16:21
2 replies
both teams have 1 round to pass the ball from spawn to gandalf on a site, whoever does it faster wins
2022-05-24 16:23
1 reply
xDDD
2022-05-24 16:27
Short matches + ot would be cool
2022-05-24 16:19
#116
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Asia harxDy
1v1 match! igl goes on igl , awper on awper and so on...
2022-05-24 16:22
#119
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Italy PhilD06
the lenght would be kind of the same though at the end if you play a short comp
2022-05-24 16:25
Setting up all the servers and organising this would take even more time and energy than normal overtimes do
2022-05-24 16:27
> It takes away a lot of energy from you because every round is kind of do or die. > In case short compy also gets tied, make the map like a who ever reaches first to the 8 rounds takes the series. You took a format that's very close to being Do-or-die and you turned it into straight up Do or die xD
2022-05-24 16:29
OT being intense is whats fun about it
2022-05-24 16:52
yeah maybe not
2022-05-24 16:53
This has to be one of the worst suggestions I've ever heard
2022-05-24 21:58
#128
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Spain term1cal
I don't like the idea, it's much more simple, fun to watch, and more easy to understand an OT. Also, you didn't think of this: What if in the BO3 there were in 2 or even 3 maps OT?
2022-05-24 22:02
#133
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New Zealand Iuca5
actual kek
2022-05-24 23:14
best replacement for overtime is a basketball court
2022-05-24 23:15
stopped reading at "fan of s1mple"
2022-05-24 23:15
skip OT, play a game of tic-tac-toe to decide winner
2022-05-24 23:36
how would you decide one between four maps? map picks need an odd number to be fair
2022-05-24 23:48
penalty kicks
2022-05-25 07:13
0/8, let's remove the excitement, stress, tension etc. just for less rounds. Imagine this years Katowice with your new addition, would be hella boring.
2022-05-25 07:40
what happens if the map is a teams permaban? theres a reason teams ban maps against each other and reach a veto on 1, 3 or 5 maps played. this would be like the random map veto that nobody used because they realized how shit it is. Overtimes are stressful but thats just part of the game
2022-05-25 07:50
#151
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Hungary szia
forgive me if i misunderstand this, but isnt overtime in like basically every sport do or die? isnt that the whole point of overtime? to decide a winner an a quick but fair manner? your "solution" does not solve anything. also "In case short compy also gets tied, make the map like a who ever reaches first to the 8 rounds takes the series." means that whoever makes it to 8 rounds first, instead of 9, wins
2022-05-25 09:46
#154
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Latvia grenijs
the "do or die" thing is the most fun part of OT's. It's like the whole point of OT xd
2022-05-25 11:37
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