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“deathmatch useless”
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Norway borea! 
i have yet to see someone actually good at the game say this yeah just hopping into a pug first thing when opening the game is fine if you wanna go 18 avg in level 5 but you aren’t gonna be good just blindly playing the game “b-b-but zywoo never dmed and he’s a god” first of all he probably grinded dm at one point like nearly everyone else needed to until he got to the point where he can play really well with little warmup since he plays a lot. he has 15k+ hours in the game so he doesn’t need to grind as much aim training as he did at like 500 second even if he rarely touched dm zywoo’s a one in a million player. for every semi decent player who never dmed there are hundreds to thousands of egotistical shitters who think they’re stuck in nova 2 because of bad teammates when in reality they can’t aim admit your aim is shit and hit the dms
2022-05-27 11:12
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having good aim early isn't a good thing for your gamesense, I plan to do deathmatch only when I am recruited by a tier 1 team
2022-05-27 11:14
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2022-05-27 12:46
#54
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Luxembourg figi
holy shit thats the stupidest thing i have read in a long fucking time
2022-05-27 12:51
#77
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United Kingdom Fayn02
let me know when you're recruited by t1 team
2022-05-27 13:24
3 replies
already am
2022-05-27 14:45
2 replies
#97
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United Kingdom Fayn02
so you deathmatch?
2022-05-27 15:09
1 reply
I started today!
2022-05-27 15:51
#85
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United Kingdom novaseer
unfortunately, even though gamesense is extremely important, it's shit like highlight reels and stats that draw scouts
2022-05-27 14:39
1 reply
I 100% agree, all jokes asides my point was just to say that if you get used to destroying everyone in duels, you'll win pugs just because of that and you'll never learn how to play against good teams
2022-05-27 14:44
#93
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Hungary Axelboi
what the fuck are you talking about
2022-05-27 15:02
AleksiB
2022-05-27 15:05
flair checks out
2022-05-27 15:54
I'm 30 avg 10 lvl faceit never played dm, aim_botz and other similar bullshit. Starting game only to type in console 'connect ip'.
2022-05-27 11:14
7 replies
+1, literally me!
2022-05-27 11:17
D0cC, is that u?
2022-05-27 11:29
1 reply
D0cc is literally on aim_botz before every match.
2022-05-27 12:18
same , but 27 avg :C
2022-05-27 13:17
2 replies
You'll get better just don't play DM & aim_botz. That shit is for silvers who watch videos on YouTube how to get to global elite.
2022-05-27 13:18
1 reply
what elo are u atm?
2022-05-27 15:22
link
2022-05-27 14:56
Okay acknowledged
2022-05-27 11:15
ok sry for playing the game casual and not tryharding while not becoming pro and still destroying everyone some people just are talented
2022-05-27 11:15
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#7
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Norway borea!
I literally said that if you’re the one in a thousand good at the game good for you
2022-05-27 11:17
3 replies
yes I'm wokebrobansko and we can queue together
2022-05-27 11:18
2 replies
sign profile please
2022-05-27 12:14
1 reply
ok link
2022-05-27 14:37
lol, Im better than Zywoo just admit you suck and need 3 hours of dm before being able to avg 12 kills noob
2022-05-27 11:16
#6
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Czech Republic Evis1337
my aim is good (so i was told) and i don't dm (maybe 30 mins / 2 weeks on average). weird?
2022-05-27 11:17
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#8
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Norway borea!
If you’re the one in a hundred good for you, you have good genetics
2022-05-27 11:17
2 replies
cs go genetics KKKKKKKK athens brain
2022-05-27 12:49
AHAHAHAHAH funniest thing I have seen this whole month
2022-05-27 14:11
You're a try harder if you DM 30 minutes in a month
2022-05-27 11:18
30 mins /2 weeks is certainly try-hard level
2022-05-27 11:19
2 replies
#16
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Czech Republic Evis1337
huh. when i played 1.6 i would dm for hours every day, cuz it was fun. in csgo not so much
2022-05-27 11:20
1 reply
It definitely isnt try hard level, these silvers are just mad cause they get insta headshotted in dm
2022-05-27 13:04
#12
Spinx | 
Portugal Mosh0
"there are hundreds to thousands of egotistical shitters who think they’re stuck in nova 2 because of bad teammates when in reality they can’t aim" Looking at comments in this thread i would say you're 100% right lmfao
2022-05-27 11:18
5 replies
What is a gold nova 2?
2022-05-27 11:20
2 replies
#18
Spinx | 
Portugal Mosh0
Is the rank after Global Elite, super rare
2022-05-27 11:20
1 reply
I wouldn't know. I am the one with elite rank. Looks like diamond to me
2022-05-27 11:21
You’re actually not wrong lmfao
2022-05-27 11:32
I'm hard stuck in Nova, bc I can't aim for shit. Literally every competitive game I have ever played I was hard stuck in the middle-of-the-bell-curve ranks, bc I suck at aiming :c
2022-05-27 15:05
#17
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Serbia Ljannister
Dm and aimbotz improve you only in rare situations. Dm is good when you are rushed and in opportunities for multikills, strengthen your reactions, and aimbotz is good when you flank and see 2-3 opponents waiting so you can 1 tap them. Otherwise, just hopping in the game is good. Maybe a bit warmup is ok. Imho you should do it only if you are pro and not in casual faceit matches
2022-05-27 11:20
2 replies
If you wanna be mediocre maybe you can get to 2k elo without aim training at all
2022-05-27 11:24
1 reply
#36
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Serbia Ljannister
Idk really, I did DM before and stopped, still getting my elo higher. I guess mucle memory matter
2022-05-27 12:09
I've found that if you play your first game without warmup I class it as a warmup game and I can't fully expect to perform, but after that I am warm for games after. Normally I either play retakes/dm or aim_botz for warmup
2022-05-27 11:21
#21
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Poland malymaly
And have to diagree with you saying that DM help you improve your aim. I DM at least a bit almost every day and my aim is pure shit.
2022-05-27 11:22
3 replies
How many hours you got
2022-05-27 11:23
2 replies
#24
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Poland malymaly
Approx. 2k. Still have no idea how I got to Supreme, It has to be teamplay and some other stuff, coz man I'm bad at shooting :D But I'm not a hardcore player, it's strictly recreational play in my case
2022-05-27 11:28
1 reply
That’s not even that much lmao just keep on dming and playing
2022-05-27 11:28
#26
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United Kingdom spxrkk
LOOOL I will hop on an drop 30 kills no warmup then drop another 30 the game after, dm is a myth, some people have better muscle memory and dont need to 'warm up'
2022-05-27 11:29
2 replies
in silver IV?
2022-05-27 12:51
1 reply
no nova 2 he is too good
2022-05-27 13:19
When do ppl realize csgo or valorant isnt aim heavy games. Its all about crosshair placement and game sense. Most csgo and val pros would get shit on aim wise by all top 500 overwatch players.
2022-05-27 11:30
5 replies
overwatch ? the dead game ? csgo is the most aim heavy game followed closely by quake (also dead)
2022-05-27 12:58
4 replies
You’ve gotta be high if you think csgo is the most aim heavy game
2022-05-27 12:59
3 replies
Please don't say fortnite
2022-05-27 12:59
1 reply
Fortnite, apex, any cod game, overwatch, and quake are the ones that come to mind firstly
2022-05-27 14:06
Which is why genius players like karrigan and zeus frag do so well right? Guess they have no game sense since stats arent good and aim isn't a part of it like you say
2022-05-27 13:06
Nobody with a brain believes that so you probably got baited
2022-05-27 11:31
#32
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Yugoslavia mrmojo
Everything helps DM, aim maps, bots, and various training maps. Anyone saying otherwise is full of shit.
2022-05-27 11:33
4 replies
i grind retakes for 3 hours before playing and its great :>
2022-05-27 12:53
3 replies
Retakes probably best practice besides scrims
2022-05-27 13:07
1 reply
I don't think the people on this thread are pro players so scrims are pretty irrelevant
2022-05-27 14:27
#78
b1t | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
Retakes too of course!
2022-05-27 13:42
#33
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Norway h0k0n0n
For me there's a noticeable difference if I warmed up in DM before games. For me, by "warming up", I just make sure I can comfortably hit shots I _should_ hit, making sure my movement is on point, stopping completely before shooting etc etc
2022-05-27 11:38
#34
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San Marino Loyuu
Cant stand dm, its not vital
2022-05-27 11:42
Any practice that gets you warmed up is good. DM does help you learn to take duels. But actual game and how to win is not something you learn there, I see way too many people with sick aim but no clue where to point the mouse
2022-05-27 11:47
2 replies
Of course, you can’t just dm 3 hours a day and play like one game a day and expect to be good
2022-05-27 12:16
1 reply
yeah, way too many people focus ALL their training on aim but gamesense, purpose and actual play to win is something they neglect completely. You even have pros who are completely inept at understanding what it takes to win, they just duel. And they are very good at shooting but when left in a clutch they act like a headless chicken. And then people complain they've hit a wall - your aim is 9/10 but your gamesense is 2/10 and you still keep grinding dm and aimbotz 5 hours a day expecting to improve? Aim is the easiest part of the game to learn so I guess that makes sense why people focus on that - cause other things are actually hard to learn. Timings, openings, what means what, what's proper response, what's a proper wrench, utility, economy, conditioning, spawns - each of those is orders of magnitude harder to get a grip on than brainless point and click while playing your favorite music in the background. And I say that as someone who has got their aim in a good place even tho I have a damaged nerve that goes into my right hand. 15 minutes a day for like 4 days a week for few months and you be hitting your shots for the most part. Yes, while improving your aim from 9/10 to 10/10 will let you take more different and harder duels and win more of them - working on gamesense is a far greater benefit for winning.
2022-05-27 13:10
used to not dm not cause of inconsistency i started to dm more
2022-05-27 12:18
I think dm can be good or even necessary to certain point, but it can also force some bad habits. There's a point where you need to know to don't get too much into it.
2022-05-27 12:30
You should dm every day for 30 mins at least.
2022-05-27 12:38
1 reply
Real
2022-05-27 12:44
"first of all he probably grinded dm at one point like nearly everyone else needed to until he got to the point where he can play really well with little warmup since he plays a lot." So there are good players who do this then huh
2022-05-27 12:44
3 replies
Did you not read the whole thing
2022-05-27 12:44
2 replies
no, your post was low iq and not worth it
2022-05-27 12:46
1 reply
Lol retard
2022-05-27 12:50
#56
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Poland Astoner55
I never warm up in deathmatch, I always warm up in retakes. Puts you in real in-game scenarios and you can actually practice what you will do in a faceit match instead of running around and getting HS'd from the back on DM.
2022-05-27 12:54
3 replies
Warms up 2 completely different aspects of go off and act superior even tho you have a wrong mindset 🤡
2022-05-27 13:08
2 replies
#68
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Poland Astoner55
I don't think I get what you mean, you know you also have to aim on the retake servers? In a real match you will never have to do crazy 180 degrees flick shots to 3 opponents peeking you at once from your side, front and behind. So how is DM better than retakes? Obviously retakes are the better mode to warm up.
2022-05-27 13:13
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where tf did i say dm is better than retakes? classic dumbass hltv user trying to put words in my mouth to change the argument. I SAID THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WARMING UP, in caps this time so you can actually read it. aiming in retakes in is 99% positioning whereas as dm it is reaction and getting your mind dialed in to popping heads. if you dont realize that then you are a braindead bot cause its extremely simple
2022-05-27 13:23
Damn this is aki 2.0
2022-05-27 13:00
i dont think people are using deathmatch to get better, more like for warmup before games, DM is cancer most of the times because people tend to camp one area and play on max volume
2022-05-27 13:13
It's actually the opposite if you wanna elevate your gameplay you need to improve your gamesense. Dm is not useless but the end all be all.
2022-05-27 13:16
+1
2022-05-27 13:20
#74
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Czech Republic Scalio
dm is physically tiring for people with low sensitivity, since you have to do a lot of 180 degree turns, so they tend to prefer just to do iam botz or something else as a warm up
2022-05-27 13:21
i like dm. mainly just for fun, but its great warmup also. still havent found the right sens for me. i hit insane shots on 1.3, but that low of a sens is bs for a retake when you need to check many corners etc. and for dm it's shit too. often I just didnt even turn around when i got attacked from behind. now i'm at 3.1 which is great for dm and fast retakes etc. but i lack consistency. sometimes insane flicks and clutches, sometimes i cant get the easiest kills. with higher sens i definitely need DM-warmup, with lower sens aim_botz is more suited. dunno what the question was. anyways, heres my 2 cents.
2022-05-27 13:23
#82
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Brazil humbl3
Mens when i stopped playing my peek was mg1, could i go higher with dm?
2022-05-27 14:30
1 reply
You WILL get better with dm
2022-05-27 14:36
I need some kind of a warmup to get my aim to my normal level. 20min dm or first map as warmup. But even after dm, I'm noticing I still need to play one map to get decent. So I'm not even sure there are any benfits to dm for me, except robably confidence. I used to dm a lot during the first years of me playing cs tho. I guess that kinda helped me reach my ceiling. I haven't improved my aim considerably in the last 10 years.
2022-05-27 14:48
zywoo grinded dm before 100%, nowadays he just uses aim_botz to warm up before officials or in general
2022-05-27 14:48
The aim you use in-game is totally different from the aim you train in DM. The raw aim you train by killing people running around in DM, and it's always not enough. That's basically why you don't see those insane aims from DM in a official matches
2022-05-27 14:56
Aren't you the one, who is stretching the criticisms on usefulness of DM into strawmanning it down into an extreme idea of it being entirely useless?
2022-05-27 14:59
Depends for what u aim for, for the casual lvl10 ranging from 1.9k to 2.3k elo i really never needed dm, i also know 3k elos who dont dm, but they surely did at one point, still managing to stay 3k just hoping into games. If u wanna go pro or improve yourself on a faster rate, dm and aimbotz is a good solution, but most people dont use them thinking on what to improve so it gets a little pointless if u dont know what to look for (ex u get outaimed in games because u are out of pos way too often, but u kill anyone in dm cuz u just +w and have great raw aim and reflexes)
2022-05-27 15:05
#98
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Slovakia VladO.
it really is subjective, DM/aim_botz/retakes, even KZ, are supposed to be some sort of warmup, if you feel like you need it they aren't intended to make a godlike player out of you, and if you've been playing the game for years, spent thousands of hours on it, then there isn't much sense in grinding DM for hours everyday (unless you play on a level which requires constant form, or you haven't peaked aim-wise/do not have the muscle memory yet)
2022-05-27 15:12
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