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GOAT IGL TAKE
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Australia blu3m1nk 
karrigan > glaive (cry) - karrigan proved himself with multiple rosters, both developing talent and getting results. glaive became average the moment astralis died (ie he has less longevity) - karrigan better
2022-05-29 02:42
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#1
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Singapore kmslol
pronax > both
2022-05-29 02:44
5 replies
NiKo > All
2022-05-29 04:31
3 replies
valorant > csgo im just joking i cant even type that with a straight face gg
2022-05-29 06:20
#68
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
+1 Niko bestest goatest igl
2022-05-29 16:37
1 reply
-1 Lol
2022-05-29 16:39
+111
2022-05-29 16:53
#2
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Albania Zhurma
i think its unreasonable to say one is better than the other, they are like 1a 1b of igls
2022-05-29 02:45
#3
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Brazil Gaucho_10
wasn't karrigan the guy who couldnt win with tsm and when glaive came he made them the best team in cs history? oh btw karrigan is 6 years older than glaive and glaive has more trophies and majors + he is and was always a better individual player than karrigan. no arguments here, glaive is clear cry
2022-05-29 02:45
14 replies
#5
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Germany 4ntoN
+1 op delusional and clueless
2022-05-29 02:46
i said "cry" and people obliged dude. insert clash royale "he he he ha" here
2022-05-29 03:47
1 reply
HE HE HE HAW
2022-05-29 16:35
If you measure success with trophies, which is a fair metric, can I also bring money into the equation? Considering that Faze have won all S tier tournaments so far, in this single year alone Karrigan has been able to catch up with the prize earnings of Glave. Yes there are discrepancies with how much CS has grown and the prize pool earnings, but not by a drastic amount and tbh the tournaments that have increased their prize pools (e.g flashpoint and some other unknown ones) these S-tier teams aren't competing in them. Given in this year alone, we are blessed with Colonge, ESL and the Rio Major, if Faze are able to get good finishes then I will say without a doubt Karrigan is better (There is blast but after watching it for some years I can't really categorise this as a serious serious tournament with how many sequels there are). For now I agree he is a more prolific IGL but skill wise these guys are both bot shit, but Karrigan carries more weight and credentials from his 1.6 days, tbh just varies on who is having a good day but both players are lan-buff performers.
2022-05-29 04:29
8 replies
Faze took a whole year, +multiple roster changes and a lot of money to make this roster successful. Gla1ve has only had what, 2 months and 0 dollars of transfer fees to have this roster. If gla1ve was given the same treatment as karrigan, he probably would do better. But you really can't compare players who's given 2 totally different circumstances. Unless faze starts a dominant Era of their own, I don't think karrigan is going to be better than gla1ve.
2022-05-29 05:45
2 replies
If gla1ve was given the same treatment as karrigan He is and even better, and he is failing. Circumstances are the same, worse for Karrigan in the last two events (stand-ins) so tbh man I don't know what to say. Glave system player who leeched too from Zonic and the org to take credit for something he cannot do anymore.
2022-05-29 06:20
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he isnt . Karrigan, given money+ freedom of nationality to choose teammates and team. Gla1ve has no money, no freedom and Org basically chooses the players. Circumstances are not the same.
2022-05-29 15:56
no, you cant bring money to equation, bc more money prize now in csgo than before tier2 comp like CoC bring like 100.000 every tournament
2022-05-29 06:04
2 replies
If u can do the research and actually check, the bigger prize pools are more advantageous to the teams who don't win when you are applying your logic. They are marginal increases to the winners, and as I said most of what you're alluding to is from unknown shitty tournaments not S-tier that are paying more to get into the CS market.
2022-05-29 06:19
1 reply
okay, but glaive still better i cant argue more than what the initial reply said except when they already h2h with the current lineup here, the recent top earning for you dexerto.com/csgo/top-20-highest-earning-..
2022-05-29 07:31
prize earnings are actually a terrible metric to judge player success. the prize pool of events is constantly increasing and has gone up recently. If you are to choose between trophies or prize earnings, trophies is the right pick imo. Edit: its in S tiers as well, example: IEM Kato, in 2018 winner got 250k, in 2022, winner got 400k. not arguing for or against gla1ve, just saying
2022-05-29 16:48
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Trophies are materialistic same way that money is. If we go by trophies then can I say that Pronax is one of the greatest to ever touch the game because he won 3 majors without a bullshit meta? Or can I say that Devilwalk is the greatest coach because he won a major as a player and coach (being a young and fairly new coach)? I can name you a lot of players that have LAN accolades but you will have never heard of them or know what they did. So when comparing shit players on a subject about leadership, it's substantive and all variables need to be considered. You are also referring to the TEAM WINNINGS, not individual winnings. Each player and org will set their own incentives on how much players will make when they win trophies hence why unless there is some insane increase from half a million IT'S MARGINAL. If this was dota 2 then fair enough, but since I was being reasonable and using a variance from less than 6 years to actually compare it's fair. It wouldn't be fair if I compared major winning earnings from the start to now. When you look at the major winnings from the Astralis era to now they are the same. If 2020 Rio happened then it wouldn't be fair because it would be 2 million, sooo like I said if Karrigan is able to get some good finishes this year and place first in two s-tier events by the end of 2022 his earnings will definitely amount more to Glave. *then there will be no debate, If you mentioned how Glave has won everything and he has no motivation I would agree, but since you didn't and focused on this particular rebuttal idk what to say.
2022-05-29 23:37
+1
2022-05-29 16:30
#66
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Europe Vallon5(1)
+1
2022-05-29 16:31
carrygan is top 2 imo
2022-05-29 02:45
1 reply
#32
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1
2022-05-29 04:34
You have no friends, your hair is falling out, you have impotence, your mom kicked you out of her basemen
2022-05-29 02:46
5 replies
1/4 correct bro
2022-05-29 03:39
#18
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Finland Lindeni
basemen? what's wrong with you, you watch BASEBALL!?
2022-05-29 03:43
2 replies
based ball
2022-05-29 03:44
1 reply
#20
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Finland Lindeni
ojojoj...
2022-05-29 03:46
basemen? is that a band where they all just play base?
2022-05-29 05:30
#7
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Germany 4ntoN
glaive top1 fallen top2 karrigan top3
2022-05-29 02:46
9 replies
+1
2022-05-29 02:56
+1
2022-05-29 02:58
+1
2022-05-29 03:18
#15
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Brazil Dgo07
+1
2022-05-29 03:25
+1
2022-05-29 04:34
FalleN is incredibly underrated. Dude's an IGL awper who led his team to 2 major wins. Incredible.
2022-05-29 06:20
1 reply
Also the only IGL to get a #2 placement on hltv top20, or even be in the top 5
2022-05-29 16:00
+1
2022-05-29 06:49
#56
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Brazil ProdigioGG
+1 // Closed
2022-05-29 07:05
0/8
2022-05-29 02:56
1 reply
#76
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Ukraine naviis
+1
2022-05-29 16:53
#10
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Sweden drakendilf
1 xizt 2 fallen 3 glavie
2022-05-29 02:57
gla1ve 13-7 forcebuy 2017 atlanta is the greatest call of all time
2022-05-29 02:57
4 replies
i agree with this
2022-05-29 03:15
#34
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1
2022-05-29 04:34
I remember a 15-14 go B call from the 2018 Boston major lol. It was actually the best call ever. The execution was bad tho and Stewie had the best highlight of his life.
2022-05-29 06:21
1 reply
#70
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England julz!
it was an awfully called round what do you mean
2022-05-29 16:40
gla1ve > no dev1ce no tournaments wins
2022-05-29 03:25
1 reply
device carried by team to win major look at him now become pussy gone leave take a break excuse he just passive awper without astralis he is nothing
2022-05-29 06:53
Very similar to Michael Jordan vs LeBron debate. One had undisputed dominance with a single team and won more trophies because he always showed up in the final, but kinda sucked later in career when playing with a different team. Other has put up consistently amazing stats and has won trophies with a variety of teams throughout his career, repeatedly bringing new teams together and reinventing his game. But he has also choked some big games and has more stains on the record. For me, Jordan is the goat because of the insane heights he reached. Same with glaive :-)
2022-05-29 03:50
3 replies
this is exactly how i look at it, but im on the side of longevity. i think lebron is better and karrigan. i really think this comparison is a good one tho
2022-05-29 03:51
2 replies
The longevity is impressive, but he needs more majors. For example, Jordan has 6 championships to LeBron's 4, so it's a much more even assessment where the other factors can come into play. 4 majors to 1 is just too much of a deficit imo. If karrigan wins in November then I think I'd change my opinion
2022-05-29 04:23
1 reply
i can respect this opinion and to an extent i agree
2022-05-29 05:51
Guy wins 1 major and all of a sudden he’s the greatest of all time??
2022-05-29 04:07
1 reply
+1, everyone forgot about Mousesports and TSM
2022-05-29 05:48
#25
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Brazil Froogss
MSL better
2022-05-29 04:19
gla1ve already has 4 major imagine if he had all the superteams karrigan had he would have like 6 majors + karrigan had the goat core and didn't do jack shit with it
2022-05-29 04:24
1. Karrigan had the goat core 2. Glaive has a really meme team right now so its not like Karrigan who went from super team to super team 3. 4 majors + ultra dominant era
2022-05-29 04:28
#31
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Argentina cheapdeed
i thought the glaive fans were gone.. guess i was wrong
2022-05-29 04:31
Obviously
2022-05-29 04:50
#36
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Australia crewy
AZR > anyone listed in this thread Didn’t even read lol
2022-05-29 05:28
1 reply
aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi
2022-05-29 06:25
#38
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Gla1ve is arguably the most successful IGL next to Pronax and FalleN in terms of actual achievements. However, Zeus and Karrigan are pretty much in the same boat now and I'm really happy he finally won one.
2022-05-29 05:33
given the long list of big name players karrigan has played with, 1 major title is an underachievement. gla1ve has 4 majors, he isn't hungry for titles anymore.
2022-05-29 05:36
#50
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Brazil madr0k
fallen >
2022-05-29 06:26
1 reply
not biased at all! he is top 3 though for sure mens
2022-05-29 06:28
Sorry mens but choking boston 2018 will haunt Karrigans legacy forever regardless. Imagine Astralis lost to ence or avangar? KEKW mens
2022-05-29 06:33
2 replies
it was a bump in the road but i dont think its really going to haunt him. it wasnt even the bad calling the strats were good, especially the call to go B on the last regulation round, but the players just choked.
2022-05-29 06:34
avangar and ence were trash, C9 was insane (because they overperformed, i kinda hope that ence didn't beat navi in the semis and we'd get navi astralis finals, would be much more intense)
2022-05-29 16:04
#58
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United States IdolaMochi
Jesus Christ gla1ve became average after Astralis died just like the other 5 members of Astralis karrigans only the best right now cause he has a goal. gla1ve beat the game and broke every record he’s got nothing to prove.
2022-05-29 07:35
4 replies
excuses, he still wants to win, otherwise -> go to valulrant
2022-05-29 16:03
3 replies
#72
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United States IdolaMochi
Wait are you saying that gla1ve is as hungry as when he had 0 Majors ?
2022-05-29 16:46
2 replies
absolutely not, but he definitely wants to win some more events (any), but ofc has won everything at this point so maybe he doesn't care anymore therefore he should move to another game
2022-05-30 01:10
1 reply
#80
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United States IdolaMochi
You are nobody to tell him what he should or shouldn't do, he can do whatever he wants. Ever seen a pro retire after his golden years were gone ?
2022-05-30 08:39
i agree, that's why karrigan is kinda better cuz he made it work with different players, different rosters, basically a mastermind CAPTAIN
2022-05-29 16:02
Lmfaoooo "karrigan developed talent" when in reality he joined already established rosters and didn't develop shit. Cry is free. /close
2022-05-29 16:28
#73
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Kosovo DeTona7Or
karrigan took a team of good players made them major champions gla1ve took a team who choked semi final after semi final and made them 4 time champions shush
2022-05-29 16:47
#74
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Ukraine naviis
Gla1ve 4 major karribot 1 major KEKW
2022-05-29 16:49
#75
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Europe spina
Pronax is the best of all. He was performing very bad and still won 3 majors with 4vs5. Also Happy is the one of the best because he is a IGL which won a major mvp.
2022-05-29 16:50
the best igl is glaive but karrigan is decent
2022-05-30 08:40
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