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i dont wanna imagine that, doesnt sound good at all
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Are you talking about Copenhagen Flames?
The problem and not the team itself when it's 4vs 5
Misutaaa player T2 he's the problem!!
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never
when they remove the danish (or the french) and go full local
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Team full FR +1 !!!!
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With misuta, shox and kyojin they ended up top2 in 2021, winning Blast Premier Fall Finals at the end of the year. Somehow with the two danes, vitality got worse. The better option is to return to a full french squad. Who knows, if G2 removes Jackz... Then, there's a lot of french talent to be picked. KennyS could be an option too
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Zonic was trying to get them to talk more today. English sounds good on paper but going from native tongue whole career to English can’t be easy and possibly they will never be able to perform as well.
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2 more years
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Lol
unfortunately, csgo is a team e-sport
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Lmao, BlameF impact rating through last 6 months: 1.25
Zywoo's impact rating through last 6 months: 1.25.
S1mple's impact rating through last 6 months: 1.42
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Smart comment Mr. High-IQ ;-) Unfortunate that you people with "very high IQ" are too stupid to look up facts before stating something that is so easy to look up 😂
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I'd say that if NaVi is constantly competing for 1st and Vitality is struggling, a 1.25 and 1.42 aren't that different.
I think 1.25 is still in those insane upper echelons.
When he finds a team equally as skilled as s1mple and thats not gonna happen any time soon^^
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like what?
s1mple from 2018 had atleast top 7 player in his team along with another player having atleast 1.06 rating against top competition.
its basically zywoo + 4 players with less than 1.04 rating since 2019 except for a few months when nivera was in vitality
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top 8 is not just about rating. look at 2016 top 20 ranking. s1mple had low rating compared to some top 10 players like flusha but he had more mvp/evps. hence he made top 4.
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but in 2017, s1mple had just 1 small event mvp and 2 evps that year.
look at zywoo 2021 or 2019 when he had shit team. 1 mvp + 8 evps in 2021 and 5 mvp + 5 evp in 2019.
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thats the difference between zywoo and s1mple.
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lost tournaments shows how great zywoo is carrying vitality and how his team suck.
you are fuking idiot dumbass. they added 5-6 mvps single day because they didn't calculated mvps until the end of the year. they also didn't calculated mvps for many events this year and will do only in the end of 2022. stop being so stupid
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Salty fanboy plz. Lost tournaments shows how stupid and childish zywoo is by playing in shit team for 4 years and signing 4 years slavery contract, he is already 20 but acts like a 8 y.o and doing only what his mom or apex says.
They never added so many mvps in one day before. They are adding every mvp instantly right now so stfu, fangirl.
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Im talking about mvps, no one cares about evps and they are not listed in player's profile.
Zywoo still has worst mvp list, only 3-4 on good tournaments with some competition.
He is talented but both his top1 are also worst and most debatable, only stats in groups and no any big wins.
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zywoo have 7 big event teir mvps. and its just 3 1/2 years since he playing in t1 scene. none of s1mple or niko or device or cold had that much big event teir mvps in the first 3.5 years of their carrier.
only reason they are ahead because others started way early while zywoo just started in 2019. in 3-4 years he will overtake all of them.
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He is playing on tier 1 scene for 4 years already lol and literally 0 achievements, s1mple did more in his first 4 years started with liquid, not even comparable.
Zywoo - no big wins, no big mvps, no motivation to change something. Im sure he will never reach even 30% of s1mple/device achievements, he lacks ego and winner mentality, undeservedly gifted but not a hard worker, im sure even niko will have more success in couple years.
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2019-2021+ 6 months is 4 years to you?
s1mple started playing majors from 2014.
2014-2017, he won 1 mvp and 1 event with 1 top 4 and 1 top 7.
he reached top 1 only after electrnoic came and helped him lol. alone he couldn't do shit to carry his team to event wins and wins 10+ mvp/evps per year
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Ok 3 years 8 months, same shit.
Playing majors doesnt mean you are playing on tier 1 consistently there is alot t2-t3 teams who qualifies to majors and cant reach even top 30 after. S1mple played only 35 maps in 2015 against top20 and 0 maps against top 10, in 2014 he has 0 maps against top20. His first consistent tier 1 experience is liquid 2016 this is fact. He won ESL One New York 2016 with garbage navi roster, zywho never won anything close in 4 years.
S1mple's both top1 were record breaking and he was far ahead everyone else while zywoo was same rating as #2 and never was really dominant.
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he played 2 majors dude. 2/3 majors lol.
you don't know shit dude. 0 maps against top 20 because hltv started top 20 ranking in the end of 2015. thats why only 30 maps for "top 20" lol
fucking skadoodfle played 2 more maps against "top 20" and made hltv top 20 lol
GTFU. i'm done talking to you. you don't know shit
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vitality was t1 because of zywoo. vitality was formed with washed up kicked players of g2 and envyus who didn't reached top 20 since 2016.
zywoo made vitality a t1.which s1mple didn't. he couldn't do it in 2014-2015 and in 2017.
zywoo has been carrying vitality from 2019 for 3 years alone without another top 20 player and reached minimum top 2. s1mple's best ranking before another top 5-7 player joined him was top 4 that too only once.
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Another delusion. In 2014-2015 S1mple played with real bots who never showed any results before and after. 90% matches were against t2-t3 teams, they never reached tier 1 cs, only qualified sometimes and failed against tier1 teams.
Zywoo played with legends with huge experience, maybe not in best shape but still vitality 2019>>>>>>>>>>>>>any s1mple's tier2 teams 2014-2015 and liquid 2016.
In 2016-2017 top1 hltv were different, team achievements favored more than individual stats and mvps. They changed it in 2018-2019.
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dude in 2016 s1mple reached top 4 just by winning 1 event and less rating than top 10 players like flusha. he had more mvp/evps that year than flusha even when flusha won 3 events.
also experience means jackshit if you play like shit. olof had a fuck ton of experience over ropz but as soon as ropz joined faze, then became instant top 1 team and won 3 events in a row.
also if you tale about experience, zywoo had 0 experience in t1 scene and won top 1 with 5+ mvps lol
so how you play >>> experience.
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Omg you so dumb. Vitality played against tier1 teams, if they played against t2-t3 teams they would have much better ratings. S1mple's 2014-2015 teams played bad even in tier2, they sucked overall and never even have chance to play in tier1. Imagine comparing fuckin flipsid3 or dat to vitality, you are the definition of delusion.
Weak mentality, i dont see him becoming legendary player like cold, s1mple, device. He always will be unmotivated stat farmer. He can't make decisions for himself.
Vitality players have better ratings in 2022 compared to 2021 but where is zywoo performance? He stagnates.
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so you confirming that zywoo has shit teammates who can play at t2-t3 level only for good stats.
he played with players like dosia was a top 10 player in 2013 and adren later on one win a major with mvp and some events.
its same as zywoo playing with apex or nbk or shox who was a top 20 player in 2015-16 lol
the difference is zywoo was able to carry his team unlike any other player to win events. s1mple or niko or device or kennyS could't do it alone
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Lol, check adren and dosia stats in 2014-2015 and check their opposition, they are barely reached 1 rating in tier2 scene.
Lets see how zywoo carried alone every tournament vitality won.
ECS Season 7 Finals - Apex - 1.20 rating, ALEX - 1.15.
EPICENTER 2019: ALEX - 1.23, Rpk - 1.09, Apex - 1.07
IEM Beijing-Haidian 2020 Europe: Nivera - 1.29, shox - 1.19, rpk - 1.07, apex - 1.04
BLAST Premier Fall 2020 Finals: misutaaa - 1.26, Nivera - 1.22, rpk - 1.13, shox - 1.10, apex 1.05
IEM Winter 2021: apex - 1.08, shox - 1.07, misuutaa - 1.03. Probably only vitality win where zywoo somewhat carried.
Keep living in delusion.
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show me the events s1mple solo carriedto finals like with him getting rating 1.28+ rating and others less than 1.07 or so
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You said zywoo solo carried them to wins but in fact he cant solo carry them to wins and viltality win only if other players step up. If his team playing bad they always lose and zywho cant carry shit. Zywho has only one win where his teammates have maximum 1.07 rating and still 3 players are 1+ rating.
Here you go s1mple carry tournaments.
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you yourself shown me, zywoo solo carried. show me when others solo carried to wins?
are you saying 1.10 in finals is not evp worthy?
when zywoo won , his teammates had below 1.10 rating. so no evps for them. zywoo was the only mvp.
sere s1mple always had electrnoic as evp with him lol
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Are you blind or yes? I literally showed you all vitality wins and 4 out of 5 times zywoo has teammates with 1.15-1.30 ratings.
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Zywoo fanboys are so dumb omg, try to read sometimes.
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this was vitality in 2019. s1mple can't and will never be able to carry such a team to finals and win mvp .zywoo won 5 mvps that year with this team
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also he was the number 1 in playoffs stats when he got top 1 in 2019 and 2020. and numer two in big matches when he got top 2 rank in 2021. so your claims are utter shit
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shox was top 25 player also in 2020.
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not saying zywoo had good teams, it isnt true at all, but s1mple legit played for more disfunctional teams in the start of his career and still managed to win more stuff
also the last thing you said is easy to dismantle lmao, compare stats and also event finishes last time zywoo won #1
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dude zywoo always played on a dysfunctional team since 2019 except when he had nivera
s1mple with another top 7 player in his team which zywoo was with shox wit just 1.04 rating. only for 2-3 months zywoo got a better team than s1mple.
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a difference of 0.24 rating between zywoo and shox in 2020
do you want see 2019 and 2021 stats of zywoo and friends?
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difference of 0.27 in 2019 and 0.28 in 2021
at the same time s1mple always had electronic since 2018
in 2017 he was struglling to reach top 7 when he had no guardian and electronic even then he had flamie with 1.12 rating
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Dude, its literally going downhill for him with his career even though that now he has that so called "super star team" build with the 4time Major champs of zonic and 2 consistent top 20 players. But yet mf is not even gonna be top 3 this year with his consistency. And yet you will keep dickriding zywoo in all these replies. Give up
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downhill in his career? this you called superteam ?
people said zywoo is going downhioll in the start of 2020, 2021 and now in 2022. everythime he finished top 2.
dude dupreeh and magisk were top 20 in 2020. not now or last year. in that case s1mple had a superteam with flamie in 2018 who was top 20 in 2016 lol.or he had a superteam with guardian and flamie in 2017.
only player that is top 20 player in vitality is zywoo and that has been the case for the last 3.5 years except when they had nivera for 2-3 months
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zywoo already have 1.18 rating + 2evps. zywoo is top 7 this year as of right now and we know that second half of the year where he he performs his best as seen in the past 3 years. he will be atleast top 3 in 2022.
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they called vitality superteam because of dupreeh's and magisk'd era in 2018-19 noit becuase of their current performance. just like many keep saying kennyS is the best awper ever even now.
i am not making stuff up. can you see people saying zywoo won't be top 3 this year after bad start. same happened in 2020,2021 also.
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Lets see how zywoo carried alone every tournament vitality won.
ECS Season 7 Finals - Apex - 1.20 rating, ALEX - 1.15.
EPICENTER 2019: ALEX - 1.23, Rpk - 1.09, Apex - 1.07
IEM Beijing-Haidian 2020 Europe: Nivera - 1.29, shox - 1.19, rpk - 1.07, apex - 1.04
BLAST Premier Fall 2020 Finals: misutaaa - 1.26, Nivera - 1.22, rpk - 1.13, shox - 1.10, apex 1.05
IEM Winter 2021: apex - 1.08, shox - 1.07, misuutaa - 1.03. Probably only vitality win where zywoo somewhat carried.
Keep living in delusion.
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which exactly shows vitality will win his team performs like this consistently. do want to see the events when zywoo lost in final because his team played poorly?
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in the 7 events, zywoo got mvp for 4 events even while losing.
in the other 3, he faced navi. if vitality won those 3 events instead of navi, zywoo would have won 3 more mvps and the total mvp for s1mple will be 17 and 15 for zywoo.
only becasue his team is shit, zywoo is at 6 event wins and 12 mvps, if not for that zywoo would have won 13 event wins and 15 mvps in jiust 3.5 years
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They were better when they were full French for sure
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misutaaa 0.89 vs top20 and 0.85 vs top10, that's the biggest problem.
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zywoo's bedroom has tally marks on the wall counting down the days
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He was benched because he doesn't listen to anything, he smokes drugs.
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Monesy Uselesss
Remove misutaa
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and he wouldnt just sit passive and let the game happen when nothing is working, even if hes doing some mistakes then
zywoo needs to say fuck that and try to force entries, like s1mple does, such a pain to watch him playing that passive, even tho nothing is working´
this new vitality system is not working for him as a player and vit as a team
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this is playing for himself imo, hes not a good passive awper and im sure he doesnt like to play that way.
he needs to run around on ct and force entries, why should he let apex do that please? i think you didnt understand me thats exactly what i mean
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+1 i just cant understand that decision to let him play like that right now, alex did understand how to use him in 2019
yeah he should be, but i think its not even necessary, like just let him roam around the map and do his thing like before
in interviews they say the wanna be equal and not only a 1 man team, and look how it works :D
Omg I miss those times.
You would see ZywOo pushing alone toilets mid or long in Overpass mid round, peeking boiler or apps in Inferno etc
Now he is too passive, probably against his will. I don't understand how nobody understand that it is a problem. Maybe the danes are still "blinded" because they use to win so much with a more structured team where everyone is just doing his task within the system
"1v9" is a little illogical as it should only really be a "1v5" but I get the hyperbole.
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I don't think you understand what1v9 really is. It means that other than having to 1v5 enemy team because your teammates are incapable, at the same time you also have to handle your teammates stupidity, braindead, etc. So you are fighting in and out the 9 players. That's the true meaning of 1v9.
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I understand what it means but is that really viable for Vitality's case?
No one in vitality is as dumb as what this thread makes it sound like, 2 of the players are former players from the most structured roster in history of CS and Apex was a beast back then and does good most of the times. So, it's definitely not 1v9
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stop using the past to justify the present. CS is a different game nowadays and Vitality literally full of bots these days. 90% of the Vitality games are Zyw0o + 1 average player + 3 bots. How is this not a 1v9??
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You used the words stupidity and brain-dead which is not the case in any of them, please use justifiable words if you want to argue and so as to reply your comment
Magisk and dupreeh(atleast magisk) are still viable if they go to a proper IGLed team, it's Apex's fault he can't use them properly. Magisk is still one of the best anchors in the game and his utility usage is almost unbeatable. Zywoo is also not what he used to be, he should have more impact by the standards he set for himself
zywoo needs to go international to pick up good teammates, french scene has no star players capable like b1t or electronic other than himself, -misuta -apex for sure
zywoo sucks lol, hes never good when they need him
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zywoo has consistently had 0 players capable of being atleast semi-decent in his team consistently for a year
without him vitality would be out of top10 since 2019
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zyWHOO???
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u gonna take me to school, daddy? uwu
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bring back kyojin ez major
ZywOo isn't clutching as he used to, anymore.
Want shox back. Idk shox and ZywOo might make a really good team with any 3 bots but ZywOo has a contract to fulfill.
You've to bench apEX or misutaa. Probably misutaa even though he's playing very bad roles. While apEX is just 0.97 in past 3 months taking the rotator role.
When they kick zywoo
Magisk too plays good
but apex so shitty igl
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I like the danes who joined Vitality but so far with this lineup :
ZywOo : 1.23
Dupreeh : 1.06
Magisk : 1.05
Apex : 0.97
Misutaaa : 0.92
Safe to say we expected more from the dane trio (Zonic included). It takes time to make things work but as a fan it gets frustrating.
You said Magisk is good, but 1.05 without igling is not that good, we need him to reach 1.15 consistenly, and dupreeh as well.
apEX is the team engine you can't -apEX.
Misutaaa now ... he needs to improve A LOT his performances, very soon, otherwise he will be benched this summer i think after Cologne.
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compare players by rating it's so stupid when you have rating farmer as zywoo and 3 bot baiters
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Apex is not a good IGL but i think they wont remove him, instead misutaa really need to improve or else i think he should be kicked
i think apex can still do decent entry job (while free from igl duties)
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I'm telling you, If you're Vitality you have to create a roster around ZywOo with other French players because the communication and gameplay are 10 times better than the International roster especially players like ZywOo needs that right now, If you watch games past 6 months the communication isn't same and he gets caught off guard every time.
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Nation team has better communication + Firepower how can you be a top3 team with shox and Kyojin around? It was mainly ZywOo and mistuaa carrying them at the end of 2021.
Edit: It's not like France doesn't have players, Vitality can just buy 4 players from those Organizations and it would work better for them in the end.
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Don't think that was a fluke at all the worst thing Vitality did was remove Nivera which is understandable because there are so many rumors about him that he was toxic or something but that team was really good and had better chemistry than most of the team and that's the only reason they made into top5, I still think if they get 4 players from other organization Vitality can go back to top3-4 and ZywOo going to perform as he did in 2021 because it makes him comfortable.
Edit: If you watched any FPL this year you can see ZywOo's confidence went down a lot which makes me believe that i don't think he likes this roster at all but he can't do anything about it because he has more years in his contract.
french vitality was much much stronger than whatever this team is. Imo apex needs to give zywoo more freedom or they go full french again.
next week
zywoo is so good and young too.
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