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s1mple more MVPs than device
b1t | 
Brazil vitinhodela 
finally lol
2022-06-19 20:37
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jks | 
Australia sh4ww
More mvps than who??
2022-06-19 20:37
48 replies
than device
2022-06-20 13:33
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#81
GIGA | 
Chad dooddi
you mean dev0rce
2022-06-20 15:31
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#88
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Europe KiroBullS
devPayCheckStealerice
2022-06-20 15:37
😂 you win!
2022-06-20 22:41
looool nice one XD
2022-06-21 09:41
s1mple's mvps are worth more than device's, also s1mple's mvps actually make sense since everytime he won it he was the most valuable player of the event unlike device winning mvps only because his team won (not taking away his greatness but its shy comparted to the goat)
2022-06-20 15:35
42 replies
dev1ce's mvps are worth more than s1mple's, also dev1ce mvps actually make sense since everytime he won it he was the most valuable player of the event unlike s1mple winning mvps only because his team had 4 decoys to bait for him (not taking away his greatness but its shy comparted to the goat)
2022-06-20 15:37
16 replies
Lmao still calling s1mple a baiter? He has higher entry, first kill AND winning duel percentages than most of his time.
2022-06-20 15:49
8 replies
I remember checking a few months ago, even blameF had a higher first kill attempt percentage
2022-06-20 15:52
7 replies
#90
2022-06-20 15:59
6 replies
#91
2022-06-20 15:59
5 replies
what's up with calling everyone pedo
2022-06-20 20:48
4 replies
I only called that one with the pedo flair for a pedo
2022-06-20 20:49
3 replies
what about the Romanian guy tho?
2022-06-20 20:50
2 replies
I think he just asked me for help. He couldn't remember what came after 90
2022-06-20 20:53
1 reply
facts
2022-06-20 20:53
actually so delusional
2022-06-20 15:59
#130
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Germany groppler
+1
2022-06-20 18:34
+1
2022-06-20 18:37
S1mple is no1 no doubt about his throne
2022-06-21 01:40
name is redwineconsumer, probably drunk everyday lmao
2022-06-23 08:55
i cant believe people actually still try to spin it this way, go to bed mate
2022-06-23 08:58
baitF
2022-06-28 01:47
#109
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Denmark Kon10R
On the other hand: MVP's compared to Majors? 😁
2022-06-20 15:56
#128
jks | 
Australia sh4ww
s1mple also still plays at the top level lol
2022-06-20 18:30
im gona say one thing, navi's whole structure was playing around s1mple giving s1mple kills giving him space baiting for him... whilst dev1ce played more of a strategic team not all the team evolved around him and u want proof? magisk got mvp of a major, dupreeh got major mvp, and finally even kjarbyae got a major mvp too, s1mple is s1mple at the end of the day, but imagine if b1t got the space and bait s1mple gets... b1t on a rifle doing what awpers do and having numbers better than awpers and still playing for s1mple... it sucks for the rest of navi but hey its working and they are winning so its all good, just reminding u of what dev1ce did... and how his mvps are way better and deserved than s1mple's
2022-06-20 18:40
4 replies
when did dupreeh ever got a major mvp? afaik its 2time device, 1magisk and 1kjaerbye. anyways, if navi won pgl antwerp 2022, b1t would get the mvp.
2022-06-20 20:05
3 replies
my bad yeah not dupreeh, yeah cz simple disappeared in that final
2022-06-20 20:15
2 replies
s1mple wasn't on his top shape that whole tournament anyways, He had a few great maps here and there which is already pretty bad for him as we always expect him to hold top 2 stats in all tournaments
2022-06-20 20:17
1 reply
+1
2022-06-20 20:18
well meanwhile device won all the trophees and is the most successful play of all time
2022-06-20 18:57
When you think about it really, they're all worth the same
2022-06-20 21:02
4 replies
no, individually s1mples stats per mvp is much better than device
2022-06-21 08:23
3 replies
You know, dev1ce has a 1 in it too
2022-06-21 09:11
2 replies
his name on hltv has no 1
2022-06-21 09:39
1 reply
Super suspicious
2022-06-21 10:18
Still, I don't think you can be the face of CS just by having the best stats. In every other sport, the face of the game is also the guy with the most trophies. It's why in tennis, there's no real discussion that the GOAT is someone other than the big 3, because their dominance in grand slams is unmatchable. That's why simple is still a long way off from being the icon of CS imo. Personally, I think greatest player of all time and best player of all time should be separate terms, where greatest implies you were also the biggest winner, whereas best only goes off skill.
2022-06-23 08:56
5 replies
are you serious, bascially ur saying device is the greatest and s1mple is the best you realise thats so fucking stupid if you are the greatest you are the best at the game/sport, you only use winning in the argument if the 2 u are comparing are so close interms of individual skill for example nba mj and lebron tennis, the big 3 nadal federer novak they are all elite on any day can beat eachother in their primes, the winnings in tennis is more prioritised but eyetest will tell you federer was different in his prime in terms of greatest in cs, there is no doubt s1mlpe is the best, no one has been this good for this long, also this good while not having a great team (talking about 2016-17, 2019-2020) also key difference is s1mple hard carries without needing the team to set him up as much as a zywoo or device, device cannot be the greatest becasue his success depends heavily on his team's system, it has been made apparent when he joined nip, niko, zywoo, s1mple dont take as long as device to start getting into the flow nad hard carrying
2022-06-23 09:14
4 replies
I'm not talking about simples skill. I'm talking about the fact that he hasn't won the most means he can't be the face of CS. Astralis is the face of CS and as the star of that team, device is the face of Astralis.
2022-06-24 03:00
3 replies
so the winner is always the face? letting you know device hasnt won cologne yet and s1mple has won it twice, also both he was mvp and had insane stats
2022-06-24 08:00
2 replies
Doesn't matter. Device is still the icon of CS. Simple needs to actually win more than device to surpass him. When casuals first get into CS, they ask who's won the most. And people will point them to Astralis, and by extension, device.
2022-06-25 04:42
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no one asks who's won more they ask whos the best then they copy their config device hasnt even played since iem winter and hadnt had major success since 2020, who's gonna remember device more than s1mlpe? no one unless you are a device fanboy, s1mlpe is the face of cs, no doubt, the stream views, then popularrity and skill shows
2022-06-25 04:51
tf do you mean by simple mvp vs device mvp lmao an mvp is an mvp at the end of the day what are you're gonna start placing decimal values to MVPs now depending on impact?
2022-06-24 08:03
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yes it is but it isnt impressive compared to s1mple, if you are going to nit pick things device is better at like previously more mvps, now s1mplke has more mvps and better cause the stats he puts up is more impressive and it does mean things, look at niko last year, his evps were worht more than a sh1ro mvp at an event
2022-06-24 08:05
4 replies
idk dude earning an MVP for any tier 1 event is soo hard because of the caliber of teams playing in the event...you have to be the highest-rated player in almost every game you play in that tournament and that consistency is something simple and device both are able to hit. Earning an MVP is like saying for this particular event you weren't able to do shit vs me and to reach that point takes way too much hard work... All I'm trying to say it, calling 1 MVP a lot more worthy than another is like demeaning or throwing shade at the other player's hard work and skill
2022-06-24 08:17
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you just contradicted yourself you said you have to be the highest rated player in almost every game you play in that tournement so tell my why device got mvp at iem chicago 1.15 rating while twistzz got 1.19 secnd place got mvp at faceit major 1.26 raitng when s1mple had 1.34 and elec had 1.36 both 2nd place and were clearly better as device had a ok playoffs so by your standards, device did better individually thanelec and s1mple at the major? bullshit mvp is most valuable player, there is no way device was better in some of his mvps than the runner up not saying its all but my point is some of his mvps do not weigh asmuch as s1mlpe who averages a 1.39 rating across all his mvps and his worse mvp is like 1.23 a ??? sure the twistzz one may be controvseral but the elec and s1mple one
2022-06-24 11:51
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bruh you've utterly misunderstood what I was trying to say all I'm saying is, don't call one MVP greater than another it's an insult to the hard work put in by a player and okay i admit i said highest rated...cause i forgot what were the stats in the 2018 major probably meant to write something else but now i cant remember
2022-06-24 12:19
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ofc its deserved but my point is some of s1mple's mvps are just soo good that it makes device's mvps look weak, and in all honesty it kinda is because if you compare their mvp ratings total, s1mlpe is really ahead of everyone in the scene
2022-06-24 15:56
finally
2022-06-19 20:37
11 replies
no hate but I think electronic got robbed
2022-06-19 20:44
10 replies
2022-06-19 20:44
9 replies
how is big in the top 6? they lost every map :D statstics are sometimes weird and simple also just destroyed big on his own, i would also say, electronic delivered in the playoffs more (especially for an new igl)
2022-06-20 12:05
7 replies
they are top6 because there are only 8 teams in this tournament and the 2 after them performed worse than them??? not so hard to figure that out reall
2022-06-20 12:08
6 replies
Ence performed worse? okay :D
2022-06-20 12:14
5 replies
big performed really good they just got unlucky matchups and rounds
2022-06-20 12:18
they both performed badly, ence lost 2-0 against vitality and OG, teams ranked way belowed them. I dont work at HLTV so i cannot say if it's because the RD (Rounds difference) or just also based on the rankings, but apparently yes, overall they performed bad, doesnt really matter as it's irrelvant stat and the difference is 0.01, so even more irrelevant
2022-06-20 12:19
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Yeah that's stupid. If you win a semis and go to the finals, then get smashed, you'll have a worse rating than someone who lost to you in the semis. That makes no sense.
2022-06-20 15:43
Yeah lmfao, ENCE beat BIG 2-0 (even tho both the maps were close). Both the teams' ratings are pretty close tho, can't really say ENCE performed worse.
2022-06-20 12:21
1guy can have shit stats and drag down all stats
2022-06-20 13:30
because he was calling 0.12 rating less and godlike calling
2022-06-20 12:38
#4
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Lithuania Litva2k
siuu
2022-06-19 20:38
device more majors than s1mple
2022-06-19 20:38
60 replies
s1mple more gfs than device
2022-06-19 20:39
1 reply
#38
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Bulgaria JkUP
The main one that actually counts
2022-06-19 20:44
the only argument left for the haters
2022-06-19 20:40
54 replies
not hating on s1mple. Actually like him
2022-06-19 20:40
also more big event trophies, to be fair
2022-06-19 20:41
5 replies
which tournaments are you considering in big events ?? Major , kato , cologne right ?
2022-06-20 12:13
4 replies
s1mple 2 Cologne device 0 Cologne ez
2022-06-20 12:28
2 replies
lmao i knew it someone will say it but i just wanted to confirm about big events , some people also consider blast world finals as big events
2022-06-20 12:38
1 reply
I think i'd consider that as well I mean it has major level prize money and not anyone can play there so
2022-06-20 12:59
high (enough) level of competition
2022-06-20 18:29
#28
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Romania Ghostpawn
aswell more major mvp for dev1ce
2022-06-19 20:41
#41
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Denmark Kon10R
The "only" argument ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I absolutely luuv S1mple, but 4 Majors AND 19 MVP's compared to ONE Major and 20 MVP's ... Camaaan, dude ...
2022-06-19 20:47
44 replies
2 major grand finals and 1 major win Individually he is still miles ahead over device
2022-06-20 01:40
37 replies
3 major grand finals actually
2022-06-20 01:48
6 replies
Which only adds to my point
2022-06-20 01:50
5 replies
He has been to 4 different finals , one with Liquid and 3 with Navi Lost to SK, Astralis and FaZe and won against G2
2022-06-20 15:32
It actually doesnt, it means he is not a Major winner material(as well as NiKo) and he needs dependable players like b1t and perfecto who can backup his baits, dumb frag hunting plays and tilts Everyone could win at least once out of 4 grand final attendances lol Let alone the fact he has won only 2 maps in these 4 finals lol
2022-06-20 22:32
3 replies
He already proved EVERYTHING he needed to prove. His dumb haters would kill themselves if he retired now since their entire personality is following his insane success around and try to downplay it
2022-06-21 00:06
2 replies
Yeah he proved everyone can win a Major if you spam it like osu or what is that shitty weebo game)))
2022-06-21 01:24
1 reply
If everyone apparently can win it why there are only few that can boast about it? Why NiKo can't win it if it's so easy? And he definitely has the skills for it
2022-06-21 01:26
#44
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United States b1g_poppa
s1 has been in 4 major finals and won one
2022-06-20 01:48
#47
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Denmark Kon10R
Individually, yes. And that's the difference between the two prices: Majors are won by teamplay, MVP's are won by outstanding individual performances. Only after S1mple became a teamplayer = grew up, he began winning stuff. Dev1ce learned that WAY earlier, why he is/was "miles ahead" on that account. ("Was", because we may never see the same dev1ce ever again.)
2022-06-20 10:52
27 replies
Dev1ce just had better teammates earlier, its not like he was ever better team player and only his teamplay won major for astralis, s1mple impact on team wins was always significantly higher.
2022-06-20 12:17
25 replies
#64
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Denmark Kon10R
Eeeeh ... 4 Majors > 1 Major ... is "significantly" higher, I would say. Around 30 top1 finishes for Astralis during their era, around 10 for NaVi. And S1mple actually didn't win anything/much before he got some serious hardhitters around him. Individually? Yes, we may never see anything like S1mple ever again. Teamplay? We may never see anything like Astralis1.0 ever again.
2022-06-20 12:37
24 replies
current navi > 2018 astralis easily lol
2022-06-20 12:41
3 replies
#69
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Denmark Kon10R
Yeah ... the "lol" part is important in these (fruitless and silly) comparisons between masters of different time periods. What the cs go world know today about utility usage is one thing, what we know today about strategy and deep map pools, what is required on AND off the servers from these top pro's ... Besides the map pool, the meta and weaponry has changed. Why even bother comparing the two?
2022-06-20 12:50
2 replies
navi>astralis
2022-06-20 13:21
1 reply
#74
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Denmark Kon10R
Anyone is entitled to have his or her opinion about anything in a free world. Repeat: "opinion" ...
2022-06-20 13:31
S1mple never played with 5 strong aimers. All 5 astralis players were top10 in 2018, all of them were ~1.15 rating aimers. S1mple only played with 2 good aimers in team.
2022-06-20 13:45
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#78
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Denmark Kon10R
Which emphasizes my point: You need a T E A M to win the important prizes. MVP's? Yeah, good, fine, great, but you can ask any pro, caster, coach, analyst, commentator: Majors are superior to anything else. And btw: I think the current lineup of NaVi looks pretty tuff! 👍👍 And more btw: Neither dev1ce nor S1mple ever played with 5 strong aimers! 😁
2022-06-20 13:50
4 replies
Nobody saying individual achievements are more important than team achievements but that doesn't mean people can't talk about individual achievements and who is better player. This thread is about players and not teams, create thread about team achievements, why people like you always shit in threads about players?
2022-06-20 15:43
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#105
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Denmark Kon10R
Whatever. It's a team game anyway. "People like you" ... a generalization. Tells me EVERYTHING about your conversation skills. Enjoy the day, Sir!
2022-06-20 15:49
2 replies
Because every thread about best players someone starting to talk about team achievements. Its team game ok, we heard you, let people talk and argue about players.
2022-06-20 17:44
It's a team game but s1mple>any other player of astralis going purely by performance meters So yes, nothing is going to change that
2022-06-21 03:21
Xyp9x wasn't in the top 10 in 2018 and Gla1ve sure as hell wasn't one of the best aimers in the world as well, playing well is very different than having insane aim
2022-06-20 15:38
5 replies
4 in top 10 and one #13. Still insane.
2022-06-20 15:46
1 reply
Yeah but they got there not with insane aim and when a team is dominant everyone will have an higher rating, Dupreeh and Magisk surelly insane aimers and Device is pretty good with a rifle himself but you can't tell me Gla1ve and Xyp were some of the best aimers in the world, because they definitely weren't, people watch cs through highlights and think they understand the game
2022-06-20 16:05
This gets lost. Based on their team style, stew and nitro were much much better aimers than glaive and xyp. Otherwise, how else could Liquid win? The team was based on aiming. Glaive and xyp didn't need to be as good aimers to have a strong rating, because of astralis' teamplay.
2022-06-20 15:46
2 replies
For sure, I would also argue that Liquid lineup had more aim than Astralis, Elige and Twistzz had insane aim and arguably better aim than Dupreeh and Magisk
2022-06-20 16:04
1 reply
Personally, I think Elige is more skilled than even device. Hard to compare though since device is an AWPer whereas elige is a rifler. Not that elige is a greater player than device either. So I think Liquid 2019 was literally stronger than Astralis 2018 at every position: Elige >= device Twistzz > magisk NAF > dupreeh stew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glaive nitro > xyp
2022-06-23 08:52
4 major finals but still finished the event with evp or arguably mvp stats his stats were better than device at faceit majro by quite a margin
2022-06-20 15:37
5 replies
#93
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Denmark Kon10R
Individually, yes: S1mple was, is and will be the greatest of all time. 4 Majors? S1mple will never even come close. You didn't add anything new to this discussion??!
2022-06-20 15:42
4 replies
How much dota2 international trophies Astralis has,remind me? + reaching second grand finals as well Your 4 poverty majors are even barely comparable
2022-06-20 20:12
3 replies
#152
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Denmark Kon10R
eh ... Ok. Astralis won everything worth mentioning in cs go. The rest is eeeh ... okay?!
2022-06-20 20:35
2 replies
I don't think they have cologne trophy yet.
2022-06-20 20:45
#206
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India Nijer
dev0ce_0_cologne_s2mple_2_cologne
2022-06-21 09:46
You are comparing astralis 2017-2019 to navi 2021, not s1mple and device. Individually s1mple better, cause he showing t1 class since 2016 while device inactive for half of year and ofc s1mple has more MVP awards and top 1
2022-06-20 20:14
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#157
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Denmark Kon10R
Individually: S1mple is wow, great, ok, goat. dev1ce? A T E A M player with 4 Majors: /closed.
2022-06-20 20:45
Only after S1mple became a teamplayer = grew up, he began winning stuff. Naah, it happened only after he got good teammates instead of 60 yo grandpas to carry
2022-06-22 13:41
?????? s1mple made 4 major finals, lost and played like shit in 3 of them
2022-06-20 18:30
#53
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United Kingdom elliah
twice the best player of the year, most aces in a tournament, most mvps in a year, most mvps overall, much higher stats and consistently delivering and often carrying his team. device is nowhere near that, no disrespect for him, the guy is a legend, but if we compare them as individual players s1mple is just on another level
2022-06-20 12:09
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#61
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Denmark Kon10R
Exactly described in #47.
2022-06-20 12:23
top 1's? top 2's?
2022-06-20 12:40
yes but that wasn’t because dev1ce is the goat it was because Astralis is the undisputed goat team
2022-06-20 15:45
2 replies
#107
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Denmark Kon10R
+1 It's a team game, isn't it ...
2022-06-20 15:51
1 reply
yes and at the time nobody really played the team game and astralis changed that they won rounds not with straight starpower skill but with excellent utility usage and strategies other then “star player go kill”
2022-06-20 19:11
Very difficult for s1mple fans to argue against though.
2022-06-20 13:26
Device more times cucked than s1mple too.
2022-06-19 20:41
#34
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CIS lua_
Yeah, but that's not a good argument to compare 2 players skill. It's like comparing Bill Russell's 11 rings to Michael Jordan's 6. MJ is still the better player with less championships.
2022-06-19 20:43
s1mple more good all weapon fans and most FPL player and pros is inspired by s1mple
2022-06-20 15:43
finally
2022-06-19 20:38
SIGMA MALE s1mple. OMEGASOY MALE device.
2022-06-19 20:38
3 replies
GOD CHAD MALE olofmeister
2022-06-20 12:01
2 replies
EZ come out of retirement to be a stand in win a tournament then retire again
2022-06-20 17:54
INDEED, GOD CHAD MALE OLOF
2022-06-20 18:49
#8
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Croatia VTZU
who is device?
2022-06-19 20:38
#9
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Denmark AndroxusG
Only because device stopped playing
2022-06-19 20:38
17 replies
yep. Exactly
2022-06-19 20:39
7 replies
The only event device won with nip was an RMR and Navi wasnt playing.
2022-06-19 20:43
6 replies
They did but for their region
2022-06-20 12:15
4 replies
Yes, Navi wasnt playing.
2022-06-20 15:28
3 replies
They were,they weren't playing in europe tho.
2022-06-20 15:28
2 replies
Man, they weren't playing the same tournament.
2022-06-20 15:33
1 reply
It was the SAME tournament but not the same region :D. I get what u're saying but u aren't saying it correctly. I'm just fucking with ya
2022-06-20 15:35
A Nip team playing with LNZ,Plopski and an inconsistent Rez (played well that tournament) managed to win a big trophy in Europe, looks pretty good to me
2022-06-20 15:43
+1 hahashahahaksdghizasgihasgew
2022-06-19 20:39
because his gf broke up with him :( s1mple still getting MVP's while his home is being bombed
2022-06-19 20:39
2 replies
#104
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Turkey Mege
+1
2022-06-20 15:47
-car -girl -nip
2022-06-28 01:44
Do you honestly believe NiP had a chance to win any events
2022-06-19 20:40
flair doesn't check out? but yeah ur probably right lol
2022-06-19 20:40
he chose not to play, his fault
2022-06-19 20:44
LMAOOO device crying nobody carry him in NIP that why he is gone now boring player
2022-06-20 15:44
If he still has mental issues, he's mentally weaker than NiKo
2022-06-20 20:47
monka
2022-06-19 20:38
Yeah, I had to come back for this. Congrats to the G.O.A.T! <3
2022-06-19 20:38
6 replies
Holy shit the Erudite Dane is back! Is s1mple the true GOAT now mate? :))
2022-06-20 13:36
3 replies
Lol, now that you mention it, he's probably not the undisputed GOAT (yet). That's just because even in terms of individual accolades, he has 15 LAN MVPs (compared to devve's 16) and 1 major MVP (compared to 2 each for devve and Cold). Also, he's tied for Top1 awards. However, as 2022 concludes, it's probably (if at all) gonna be only the 2nd Major MVP lacking from his stockpile xD. In any case, that would mean he's exceeded every player in history, in absolute terms, rather than just tying. Also, I am not actually back :D I just check in occasionally :P
2022-06-21 10:40
2 replies
:( Sad mens((
2022-06-21 12:26
mens((
2022-06-22 13:28
Wow, you really called him GOAT. So you changed your mind?
2022-06-20 16:02
1 reply
2022-06-21 10:42
dev1ce who?
2022-06-19 20:39
#15
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Finland AliSabid
goat
2022-06-19 20:39
give b1t mvp pls
2022-06-19 20:39
1 reply
s1mple got it check event page, also s1mple 1.37 b1t 1.20 event rating, not really close
2022-06-19 20:41
#23
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China HEIDASHUAi
goat
2022-06-19 20:40
#24
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Ukraine d3adLY
best player ever
2022-06-19 20:40
#29
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Peru Bas1905
siuuuuuuuuuu
2022-06-19 20:41
#40
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Turkey duxs1
goat
2022-06-19 20:45
4 major > 1 major
2022-06-20 01:50
2 replies
#49
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Romania Pecea
20 mvp s>19 mvp s 2 #1 medals> 0 #1 medals who is the goat ?
2022-06-20 10:53
Nah MVP is something u get for ur personal performance but the major is won by a team
2022-06-20 20:52
#48
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Romania Pecea
dev who?????????????
2022-06-20 10:53
Bruh obviously s1mple is the mechanically gifted god but stop disrespecting dev1ce, that guy is a very impressive player, good team or not he WON 4 majors, that is an impressive achievement. Individually s1mple is much better but that doesn't mean no namers on HLTV can shit on devve
2022-06-20 12:24
5 replies
It is just because he doesn't flick people don't care for him, people watch mostly highlights and they see m0nest getting 2 crazy flicks in a round and dying and say he is a god but if Device kills 4 guys in a round by good positioning he is a bad player because he is too passive and he is an awp abuser and the team is setup for him
2022-06-20 15:47
4 replies
people dumb unfortunately
2022-06-20 18:07
You're just making stuff up now
2022-06-20 20:48
1 reply
Nope, do you see how many people rate m0nesy so highly and how many hate dev1ce?
2022-06-20 22:38
I remember a GuardiaN flick
2022-06-24 11:54
difference between device and s1mple is that one is a system player and one is just individually cracked god its been proven device is a system player compare his stats with 2020-21 astralis (most recent till nip) and nip stats the system is worse obv cause gla1ve and zonic destroys hampus and threat at the time interms of strats and system and whatever behind the team structure but s1mple throughout every iteration of navi and even liquid has always peformed, he may have 1 bad (by his st andards) event but thats it, never a streak/slump
2022-06-20 15:41
3 replies
lol he got #11 best player of the world playing with nip and made them #2 team in the world for like a month, and if you dont remember nip 16-1d astralis back in stockholm major when they still had the old squad + zonic in the team
2022-06-23 08:56
2 replies
astralis? you are using astralis as an example, you realise astralis hasnt done shit in 2021 other than cologne
2022-06-23 09:09
NIP got #2 ranking without playing Navi or GMB in that tournament so i dont know about that but they proved that they were the best team in EU for that tournament
2022-06-24 08:30
Is there really any discussion anymore about who is the best csgo player of all time? The level s1mple is on is way above anyone else. He seems to do things that other players can’t even imagine. It is fun to debate about who is the goat and stats help in the debate but when you watch s1mple play he just does things you wouldn’t think of and hits shots that make you go wtf how did he even do that.
2022-06-20 15:45
4 replies
#125
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
I will tell you what s1mple can't do. Win a mvp or reach top 3 without a top 20 player in his team
2022-06-20 18:10
3 replies
Dumb argument but ok, you dont know if he can or cant because it has not happened
2022-06-20 18:35
1 reply
#138
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
well he was ranked top 8 without electronic and poor performing guardian. s1mple only reached top 3 after electronic also joined.
2022-06-20 18:56
That's one of the dumbest criteria I've ever heard
2022-06-20 20:50
Also S1mple is still in his best form, getting better every year and playing in a good team. Devve has been invisible for almost 2 years now and will have to work really hard to get back in the same spot he has been for years. Good chance S1mple will gain more MVP's soon while Dev1ce won't win any (unless S1mple will really step down from CS like he mentioned earlier).
2022-06-20 16:05
SSSSIIIIUUUU
2022-06-20 18:47
#137
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United Kingdom BenPortas
Simple is a better individual player than devve for sure but if you genuinely believe that simple is the overall goat over a guy with 4x the majors then you're lying to yourself.
2022-06-20 18:51
24 replies
+1 there's a difference between best and greatest, idk why most CS players can't seem to grasp this concept that's well established in other sports lmao
2022-06-20 19:25
1 reply
#144
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United Kingdom BenPortas
It genuinely baffled me quite how incompetent the large majority of people are on twitter, reddit and hltv. Some atrocious bits of reasoning for why simple > devve in terms of overall goat and karrigan > glave in goat igl.
2022-06-20 19:53
He had plenty of the best stats out of any other player IN THE WORLD. NiKo challenges him sometimes but your d1vorce will never pull out the same plays s1mple does. Never ever
2022-06-20 20:41
8 replies
#155
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United Kingdom BenPortas
Well done on not being able to read. I literally started my comment with how simple is a better player than device...
2022-06-20 20:44
7 replies
Then i mistaked you for another asstralis worshipper that can't admit other teams can perform even better than them. Carry on
2022-06-20 20:46
6 replies
#174
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United Kingdom BenPortas
But I have admitted it I've said simple is a better player. And you're the world's most delusional individual if you think the major winning navi was anywhere close to the astralis era XD
2022-06-20 21:06
5 replies
Their era is about as legit as d1vorce's relationship. You can talk shit when they start losing form first, yeah?
2022-06-20 21:09
4 replies
#177
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United Kingdom BenPortas
You don't think astralis had a legitimate era? Lol what. They had an era no team has ever even come close to. Longest time at top 1 in world. 4 majors. Back to back to back majors? Grand slam? Delusional. You're the reason hltv should have iq tests when creating an account. And losing form? I thoroughly enjoyed navi's recent back to back major :)) oh wait :/. Asrwlais back to back to back navi win and then lose :/.
2022-06-20 21:19
3 replies
I would be only convinced if they defeated prime fnatic, prime LG and prime Titan. It wasn't physically possible back then so my argument still stands, just farm half-assed teams that couldn't do the same utility usage and rotations and you get free gifted majors. Okay, 'BesT tEaM In Da WorLd i guess (courtesy of danish bandwagoners)
2022-06-20 21:24
2 replies
#182
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United Kingdom BenPortas
Omg I've just found the worst take on the Internet 😂. There isn't a cs Pro or analyst alive who doesn't believe that astralis were the best team of all time. None of the teams you mentioned would have stood a chance agaisnt astralis. They literally changed the way the game was played. Imagine actually thinking 4 majors including 3 back to back to back was because they were gifted them lmao. And the irony of you being a faze fan. An international team who have consistantly underprrformed including post major (see last two tournaments ;)) and only won a major because the current number 1 team consists of players who currently are having their home towns bombed for no legitimate reason because of your backwards country and brainwashed government.
2022-06-20 22:04
1 reply
''None of the teams you mentioned would have stood a chance agaisnt astralis'' Yes i see that you like to overrate a team that got a larger win streak than others. But that doesn't make them number 1 that could have beat the teams i mentioned at their full strength. And as i said, s1mple by itself> any other player in that roster With bad luck and wrong teams to face they wouldn't have gotten those majors, anyone who isn't a blind fan boy knows it
2022-06-21 00:03
Yeah, so you're saying TacO > S1mple?
2022-06-20 20:51
11 replies
#175
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United Kingdom BenPortas
No because device is one of the best players to ever play talent wise. He has more major mvp's than simple. 4x as many majors. A grand slam and more tournaments won and was top 5 for something like 6 years. Device is imo top 3/4 talented players all time and then his enormous amount of achievements on top of that make him the goat over anyone else.
2022-06-20 21:07
10 replies
i dont think the "top 5 for 6 years" consistency argument is in device's favor anymore s1mple has been top1-2 for basically 5 years (including 2022)
2022-06-20 21:37
9 replies
#183
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United Kingdom BenPortas
So what you're saying is device dispite not playing still has the more consistant htlv top 5's of them both? Even if he doesn't/it's a draw I don't see how that's not in device's favour. Device has every single aspect going for him.aside from raw skill so if anything it just supports his argument more 😂
2022-06-20 22:08
8 replies
bruh being in the conversation of THE ABSOLUTE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD is better than being in conversation for ONE of the best players in the world for about the same time too, not to mention 2 of those top1-2 are actually no.1
2022-06-20 22:11
7 replies
#185
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United Kingdom BenPortas
OK since I said simple was the best skill player in the world let's say we do give him the hltv top 5 record over device when talking about the overall goat of cs. Now tell me the other reasons to justify why simple is the overall goat. I gaurentee you can't :) ;)
2022-06-20 22:13
6 replies
the only thing device has in his favor over s1mple is team accomplishments, which he's not getting more of anytime soon if we are talking about being the best player, s1mple beats device in terms of individual achievements (stats, carrying, mvps, etc.) you could argue that s1mple wouldnt have the same stats if he was on a worse team, but the fact is he WAS on a worse in team in 2018-19 and he still had insane stats
2022-06-20 22:16
5 replies
#187
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United Kingdom BenPortas
Just as I expected. You didn't form a proper argument at all youve just reworded stuff to make it sound like simple is better. Here's my counter. All those are true although saying stats and then carrying I mean they are basically the same thing. You don't get 1.5 ratings in a match if your teammates also are. Only a set amount of kills availible so they go hand in hand. Device has more finals mvp's. Has never lost a final. Has been apart of a number 1 team the longest. Has 4 times. 4 times as many majors as simple. Device has more majors than anyone else aside from his teammates. Device had over 10 more major event wins than simple. Device has a grandslam simple does not. I could go on. Again the issue is all of the reasons you've given highlight why simple is a better player. Which I also agree that he is. But you don't actually have any arguments for why he is the all time greatest player. He's the altime greatest skill player. But not the all time best player of cs go.
2022-06-20 22:26
4 replies
"s1mple doesnt have a grandslam" hltv.org/news/32367/navi-win-intel-grand.. more majors, more event titles, longer time in top 1 team-- all of these indicate that astralis is historically the best team of all time, which they are does not indicate that device is a greater player and just to make it clear, i am arguing that s1mple is the GREATEST player, not the best because there is no argument there
2022-06-20 22:30
Your d1vorce is now in the trash bin where he was expected to end up when ex-astralis members lost their form. While s1mple had been playing on a goat level since forever now and keeps going. Overrating majors when Na'Vi still won more tournaments overall. None is going to give a fuck about device other than danes in 6 years from now on when s1mple already captured hearts of millions
2022-06-21 03:17
1 reply
#212
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Denmark AndroxusG
Fluke clan still fluke major. Cry is free.
2022-06-22 05:59
Best big events rating ever, major highest rating record, best lan rating ever, most aces in one tournament record, most clutches in one tournaments record, mvp record, top2 appearance record, two times top1 both record breaking, 8 S-tier events wins(only cologne, katowice, major, epl and blast global finals counts), IGS.
2022-06-22 13:58
everybody from Astralis could be the GOAT then, they all have 4 Majors except Magisk, your point is useless. GOAT means Greatest Of All Time. S1mple has EVERY SINGLE TROPHY and ACHIEVEMENT under his belt, including GREATEST INDIVIDUAL PEAK OF ALL TIME. ( 2018 and 2021 ) so i will rather have all of that than just 4 Majors.
2022-06-24 12:26
device 40% loss s1mple 0% loss devve>>>>>>
2022-06-20 19:39
#143
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Turkey edsvi
Dev1ce ----> 2 major mvp S0mple ----> 1 major mvp ( just got it 7 months ago)
2022-06-20 19:41
#153
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Romania styl3noxe
deserved, and device helped him as well by going to NiP and the whole fiesta after that.Still, if he really is going back to Astralis he might still be a contender.
2022-06-20 20:40
#158
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Sweden Akoulad
and still less majors and tournamen wins, AHHAHAHA
2022-06-20 20:45
1 reply
about the same major grand finals appearances, none cares if they played in an easy era without serious super teams
2022-06-20 20:48
device is better, cry is free toxic s1mple
2022-06-20 21:22
#192
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Europe gabiGOD
8/8
2022-06-20 22:44
Eowoeow
2022-06-21 05:28
device still 4 majors, s1mple needs 4 more to overcome him
2022-06-21 10:01
1 reply
Overcome in team achievements? I dont think someone ever gonna win 4 majors. And device will never overcome s1mple in individual achievements.
2022-06-22 13:39
#219
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Czech Republic Starold
Device retired so pretty expected
2022-06-23 08:55
best > s1mple greatest > dev1ce period.
2022-06-23 08:58
1 reply
objectively wrong
2022-06-28 01:55
s1mple >
2022-06-24 08:11
device who? the only player actually playing right now is s1mple. and he's still on top
2022-06-28 01:53
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