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EF TIER 1 or 2 ?
Turkey Nerd_With_No_Life 
what is Eternal Fire tier? They beated MOUZ so hard
2022-06-26 22:57
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the problem is mouz is not tier 1
2022-06-26 22:58
10 replies
frozen torzsi they are t1 players
2022-06-26 23:03
9 replies
Thats not even the majority of their team
2022-06-26 23:08
crazy how the rest of their team is tier 2/3 players
2022-06-26 23:15
torszi is not tier 1, never does well against t1 teams
2022-06-26 23:16
2 replies
Neither does Jackz, he’s a tier 3 player at the max
2022-06-27 05:36
1 reply
ok man
2022-06-27 13:15
Vitality is also far from being #2 for a long time now^^
2022-06-27 00:05
#74
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Serbia eliiiiii_
by that logic anyone who beat the older variant of that mouz was tier 1 because they had two good players and a future major winner
2022-06-27 00:15
Save Frozen
2022-06-27 16:10
Frozen, Bymas tier 1, rest tier 3, kekw
2022-06-27 16:11
tier 3 also "so hard" when they lost first map 16-2 and didn't win a game with more than a 4 round gap
2022-06-26 22:58
4 replies
I remember Faze against Navi :) but imo they are tier 2 but not close to t1.
2022-06-26 23:13
3 replies
lulw
2022-06-26 23:29
#63
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Fiji __Exile_
i also remember one month ago when faze beat navi 2-0 to win the major
2022-06-26 23:39
1 reply
Hard fluke
2022-06-27 23:48
2, at max. They have good and bad days
2022-06-26 22:58
tier 1.5
2022-06-26 22:58
8 replies
nah
2022-06-26 23:01
#16
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Italy steven513
+1
2022-06-26 23:02
#28
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Turkey HyPeRExE
+1
2022-06-26 23:08
#46
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Turkey Kobss
+1
2022-06-26 23:20
tier 1.73
2022-06-27 00:32
2 replies
Tier 1.61803398875
2022-06-27 12:14
1 reply
tier fi [golden ratio] x))))) i like that
2022-06-27 15:13
+1.5
2022-06-27 12:04
#5
Jame | 
Turkey dogaata
none of t1 teams lose 16-2 on their map pick. so 2 or 3 can be arguable.
2022-06-26 22:59
15 replies
+1
2022-06-26 23:01
None of tier 2 teams would beat Ence on very same either
2022-06-26 23:03
4 replies
Faze would
2022-06-26 23:05
2 replies
Top 1 Tier 2 Ok
2022-06-26 23:07
Faze and tier 2 ok
2022-06-27 12:29
Ok when they beat them on the major or cologne we will talk, snappi said in hltv confirmed they got only 1 day of praccs before this event while EF had like week or 2... + its online and ence are not even taking this event seriously like EF does
2022-06-26 23:20
So Faze (the current no. 1 team) is not a t1 team? hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/139397..
2022-06-26 23:17
8 replies
you are so clever :) one question: mouz t1 or t2? mouz-ef faze-navi. LMAO.
2022-06-26 23:21
7 replies
>"none of t1 teams lose 16-2 on their map pick" > I show you an example of a t1 team that lost in an even worse fashion than 16-2 I'm simply trying to show you that it doesn't matter the score of a map was, since even the best team in the world can get 16-1'd or 16-0'd. What matters is consistent wins, which EF has been getting recently. I don't even know what you are trying to say in your response, but since english isn't your first language I'm not gonna hold that against you.
2022-06-26 23:42
6 replies
Man, stop this. Whats the topic? Ef and mouz. Ef lose 16-2 against who? MOUZ. Be clever from now on, please..
2022-06-26 23:46
5 replies
wait r u baiting
2022-06-27 00:05
3 replies
He has to be... right?
2022-06-27 00:08
U break the spell :) let him write more and many pages :))) Ofc any team can win 16-2. It was not “hard win” as the topic man said. Because of that i wrote it. But there is vey clever menss here :)))))
2022-06-27 08:45
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what
2022-06-27 23:36
my guy, you should not underestimate MOUZ, which is ranked 17th and even NAVI lost 16-2 to Akuma in a mirage game in which S1mple had a rating of 0.20 which caused a 2-0 loss game against Akuma.
2022-06-27 06:48
2.5 mouz and imperial not t1 dont get hype too much
2022-06-26 22:59
2 replies
#91
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Brazil MicaWes
+1 but flag doesn't checks out
2022-06-27 01:44
1 reply
xd
2022-06-27 10:25
They barely beat MOUZ and MOUZ isn't even a Tier-1 team, long way to go for this team still bro.
2022-06-26 22:59
#8
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Poland Neo[T]orius
life game w0xic and lantares carryink so hard o_O
2022-06-26 23:00
1 reply
already they are here to carry turkish cs
2022-06-27 12:41
#9
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Turkey 0gzi
t1 loses 16-2, nahhh? t2.5
2022-06-26 23:00
5 replies
#32
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Portugal kurpyyy
Faze lost 16-1 and continue a T1 team
2022-06-26 23:08
3 replies
Faze lost to navi EF lost to tier 50000 mouz
2022-06-26 23:21
2 replies
#53
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Portugal kurpyyy
EF and Mouz are same level teams Two Tier 1.5 teams
2022-06-26 23:23
1 reply
mouz and ef both high tier 2 teams OG for example low tier 1 team... You cant put og and EF in the same spot after the last results
2022-06-26 23:25
#52
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Turkey Kobss
2022-06-26 23:21
It’s hard to establish yourself at T1 without being a partner with any of the top tier organizers
2022-06-26 23:01
2 replies
complexity tier1 org confirmed wow na brain
2022-06-26 23:17
1 reply
I literally never said that all partner teams were T1, just saying that it’s hard to really jump up the rankings when you don’t get invited to all the big tournaments. EF is good but it’s hard for them to go up in ranking bc they have to play so many qualifiers I’m honestly not sure how you even interpreted my comment that way
2022-06-26 23:28
tier 10
2022-06-26 23:01
They'r currently transitioning between tiers
2022-06-26 23:01
maybe tier 3
2022-06-26 23:01
tier 1.90-4 somedays good somedays bad
2022-06-26 23:03
XD tier 2 maybe they beat mouz the worse tier 2 team and imperial who is lanners
2022-06-26 23:02
Dont even get own flagger's toxicity, lets say tier 2, its because they cant be close to faze navi cloud9 but they can competitive with big,mouz,og,astralis(recently) mayyybe g2, but sometimes they lose sometimes they win.
2022-06-26 23:03
tier 2.25
2022-06-26 23:03
#23
SPUNJ | 
Switzerland NtroP
I'd put them in tier 2, but among the stronger side. Mouz is currently tier 2 imo
2022-06-26 23:03
tier 2 but with tier 1.5 potential
2022-06-26 23:03
they have unless tier 2 when before win a cup.
2022-06-26 23:08
#29
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Portugal kurpyyy
Tier 1.5
2022-06-26 23:08
#30
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Turkey HyPeRExE
1.5
2022-06-26 23:08
1.5
2022-06-26 23:13
1.75
2022-06-26 23:13
1 reply
#39
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Turkey HyPeRExE
1.65
2022-06-26 23:15
#36
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World NukestrikE
t2 at best...no idea why do people write nonsense like 1.5
2022-06-26 23:14
1 reply
they mean Ef is tier 2 team but has potential for tier1
2022-06-28 00:00
#37
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Georgia endyyoo
I'd put em in tier 2. But mouz isn't tier 1 as well so.
2022-06-26 23:14
#40
GIGA | 
Chad dooddi
t2 max, they didnt beat mouz "hard" + mouz is also max t2
2022-06-26 23:16
Tier 2 , they have 1 potential but all team is sometimes god sometimes bot
2022-06-26 23:16
#45
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Brazil talesmarqs
XANTARES and woxic tier 1 the rest tier 999
2022-06-26 23:19
3
2022-06-26 23:21
3 replies
he didnt ask bluejays'
2022-06-26 23:25
2 replies
well considering they lost to them id say its preety accurate
2022-06-27 16:20
1 reply
gl bluejays on doritos cup
2022-06-27 16:20
3 tbh
2022-06-26 23:21
2 or 3
2022-06-26 23:26
Tier 3
2022-06-26 23:29
I don't see Mouz as strong as the top teams or as weak as the 2nd tier teams. they are stuck between tier 1 and tier 2 just like OG or ex-CPH. Of course, EF's win was a bit of a surprise, but still not too surprising. EF is definitely one of the top 2nd tier teams and the only way to be considered top tier is by beating "tier 1.5" teams.
2022-06-26 23:36
tier 2
2022-06-26 23:38
#62
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Finland Nollegee
Woxic and xantares strong tier 1 players but others in the team maybe tier 2 at best.
2022-06-26 23:38
1 reply
+1
2022-06-26 23:55
Playing back to back T1 tournaments so i think they are T1 but they still have a huge space to improve. Maybe atleast reach quarter finals of T1 tournaments idk.
2022-06-26 23:53
5 replies
Wdym back to back? They play T1 as T2. Also they were invited to poopet cub. T2 not T1 then finest is T1 as well kek
2022-06-27 00:33
4 replies
Major, roobet and they are going to esl pro league aswell. I think we will see them playing more T1 tournaments dis year. And if we consistenly saw them in T1 tournaments, they are T1 ofc. Thats the criteria for me.
2022-06-27 03:49
3 replies
Wtf? Lol so Liquid T1? EG T1? Pain T1 LMAOOOO
2022-06-27 10:17
2 replies
Pain maybe after showing consistency in joining these tournaments, EG is doing random stuff so i cant comment on but Liquid is defo tier one.
2022-06-27 10:25
1 reply
Wtfff watch the matches holy shit! Pain def not loses with a beautiful fashion 16-0. Lulquid inconsistent roster. Elige 0.06 kek! EG?
2022-06-27 12:01
#68
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Argentina cheapdeed
tier 3 at best just like 9z !! also it was mouz lol
2022-06-26 23:58
Tier 50
2022-06-27 00:00
atm they are top 20 team.
2022-06-27 00:13
tier2. Mouz is tier 2 team.
2022-06-27 00:15
Tier 2 Mouz 1.5
2022-06-27 00:22
1 reply
Mouz tier 2 as well wtf
2022-06-27 00:32
ef tier 2-3
2022-06-27 00:22
atm tier 2-3 but have high potential to be tier 1 if they gain consistency and more experience in t1 tournaments.
2022-06-27 00:28
1 reply
Agreed.
2022-06-27 00:41
tier 2. Closed
2022-06-27 00:33
eternal fire is tier2, mouz tier 2,5, EF idk, probably also 2,5
2022-06-27 00:41
#85
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Portugal MR_CAL
tier 3 or 4
2022-06-27 01:15
3 replies
#113
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Turkey SahinBey
so who tier 2 ı think t1 is top 10 teams and tier 2 is top 10-20 so ef sure tier 2
2022-06-27 12:08
2 replies
#114
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Portugal MR_CAL
in theory thats it. but since the gap in the top 10 is so big (first 5 teams are much much better than the other 5) i consider t1 to be top5 and tier 2 form top5 to top10. from top10 to top20 is t3. but its really good to be t3 nowadays, im not taking any credit from them
2022-06-27 12:12
1 reply
#127
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Turkey SahinBey
if you think like this aboud tier levels so you are right
2022-06-27 15:14
#86
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Turkey bizonSX
tier 0 which is above tier 1
2022-06-27 01:24
tier 3-4
2022-06-27 01:29
1 reply
You are overrating man. I think they are tier -9999999. Cause every team can beat teams like vitrus pro, OG, BNE, Imperial, Mouz and etc.
2022-06-28 00:11
#89
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Faroe Islands v_v
Tier 3
2022-06-27 01:30
#90
ropz | 
Brazil Joliro
tier 1.5 perhaps, idk. I would say everything between top 15 to 45 is just so close together, and I feel like on good days for those teams they can beat some of the top 10
2022-06-27 01:41
#93
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Denmark AndroxusG
Tier 100
2022-06-27 04:55
any team that makes the major is tier 1 any team on the brink, tier 2
2022-06-27 05:11
They are bad.
2022-06-27 05:37
Tier 2 or under
2022-06-27 08:48
Tier 1.3(3)
2022-06-27 08:49
they rated as #25, so tier 2.5, duhhhh
2022-06-27 10:21
Tier 2
2022-06-27 10:27
#106
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Turkey YUS33F
tier 2023
2022-06-27 10:29
EF didn't beat any tier1 team yet, so we can't say t1, they are t2
2022-06-27 10:32
2 replies
#111
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Turkey SahinBey
They beat virtus.pro and spirit at their peak (top 5 top 9) but still t1.5 t2
2022-06-27 12:06
1 reply
in my opinion there is only 6 tier1 teams, only top6 is t1 imo, furia and rest is t2, if we say navi faze and spirit are in same tier it would be funny so ef is ranked up tier 2.5 to t2, when they reach top15 they can be tier 1.5
2022-06-27 15:16
EF is not a tier 1 org but is a tier 1 team. OG, Mouz or Complexity are not Tier 1 as a team but already Tier 1 as organizations, they are partner teams of Blast Premier or ESL pro league, even if they play badly 8 out of 10 events, once a year at ESL pro league playoffs is enough to reach and you are back in TOP 20
2022-06-27 11:59
Lets just agree that all teams are tier 5
2022-06-27 12:06
Mouz is tier 2 even the Mouz NXT (academy) is better than Mouz right now EF is tier 2 as well and btw dont forget roobet is online
2022-06-27 12:14
#116
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Definitely tier 2
2022-06-27 12:12
Tier 2 i think
2022-06-27 12:16
Tier 2 barely
2022-06-27 12:19
tier 2.5
2022-06-27 12:26
tier 31
2022-06-27 12:30
#123
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Ukraine StaR1y
1.5
2022-06-27 12:31
2
2022-06-27 15:18
tier 2.25
2022-06-27 15:18
tier 2 man its not even a question
2022-06-27 15:21
1.5, like Entropiq for example
2022-06-27 15:22
#133
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Belgium Soldierce
EF, Tier 1 online Tier 3 offline
2022-06-27 15:30
7 replies
they didnt even play lots of offline 1- RMR they did good job 2- Major challanger trash 3- ESL conference that was ez ??
2022-06-27 15:40
3 replies
2 replies
0/8
2022-06-27 15:44
1 reply
#147
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Belgium Soldierce
8/8 online 0/8 offline? or?
2022-06-27 15:48
and they didnt win online event how do you decided t1 xd ?
2022-06-27 15:41
#163
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United States charybids
They lost to MIBR on LAN in an elimination match, that should disqualify them from T2 immediately
2022-06-27 16:23
1 reply
#165
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Belgium Soldierce
That confirms my point
2022-06-27 16:23
3
2022-06-27 15:32
Tier 1.93
2022-06-27 15:36
without igl tier 2
2022-06-27 15:39
2.1
2022-06-27 15:40
#140
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Brazil fravioh
2 OR 3
2022-06-27 15:42
tier 2 barely
2022-06-27 15:44
#143
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Turkey ozggurss_
sometimes we are playing tier1 and we can destroy all team easily but sometimes we can playing faceit lvl 5 gameplay idk..
2022-06-27 15:45
3-4ish
2022-06-27 15:45
1.5
2022-06-27 15:47
~ Tier 3
2022-06-27 16:07
Tier 3 for sure
2022-06-27 16:08
#150
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Europe EmirCS
with İmorr tier2.5-3 max
2022-06-27 16:08
T3
2022-06-27 16:09
xantares tier 1 woxic tier 1.5 calyx tier 2 imor and xfloud tier 3 1+1.5+2+3+3 = 10.5 10.5 / 5 = 2.1 Eternal Fire tier 2.1 dude.
2022-06-27 16:10
4 replies
lolll ahahahahaha nice
2022-06-27 16:11
only correct answer
2022-06-27 16:12
#168
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Turkey yunus06
I am convinced +1
2022-06-27 23:41
+1
2022-06-27 23:45
2-3
2022-06-27 16:10
its decent tier 2 for now.. imor and xfloud should improve to be t1.. other than that we cant be t1
2022-06-27 16:14
#162
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United States charybids
> They beated MOUZ so hard Was expecting a 16-4 16-6 type of win, only to find they were destroyed 16-2 and then won 2 close maps
2022-06-27 16:21
T2 and better on online matches. Don't forget that.
2022-06-27 16:22
#166
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France bjjthibz
Tier 1 is from #1 to #15 imo Tier 2 from #16 to #30 Tier 3 from #31 to ... is there a tier 4 ? idk So Mouz and EF are Tier 2 in my book.
2022-06-27 16:34
Mouz tier 3
2022-06-27 23:42
#170
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Poland moistu
tier 3
2022-06-27 23:43
#172
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United States Festive_
tier 2. to be tier 1 imo you have to establish yourself as a team that does ok+ at big events for a couple months in a row.
2022-06-27 23:48
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