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what happened to astralis
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Italy Nelex5000 
genuine question but if 2017-2019 (and early 2020) astralis was soooo good that they would beat peak navi (stockholm and now), what happened then? Why can't gla1ve lead this new astralis the same way? I mean you could argue that the players are way different and maybe the firepower isn't there, but what's stopping teams from trying to dominate maps like astralis used to? Or maybe 2017-2019 astralis is just "overrated"? Don't get me wrong, at the time you could NOT beat astralis, but the meta is evolving all the time so personally i dont think peak astralis can compete the same way right now thoughts?
2022-06-27 13:17
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Germany MTD3
players left players get older people change (device glavie) new roster stronger enemies
2022-06-27 13:18
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#3
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Albania aplasa
+ Zonic left
2022-06-27 13:19
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Australia NoLeS
everyone caught up to Astralis meta strats + ageing + burnout Astralis dominant because first team to employ unique meta across whole game now noone dominant because noone is ahead in the meta overall, only map by map
2022-06-27 13:18
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yeah but what's stopping teams like navi to adopt better gameplan like astralis was doing in 2019?
2022-06-27 13:20
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Australia NoLeS
how do you casually invent a new meta + why do you think they are not? Every team is trying to get ahead all the time, but as soon as one team gets ahead others will catch up ASAP, they are also innovating/copying Astralis dominance was not because just that they had new meta, but they were so far ahead other teams needed years to get to their understanding of map control and utility usage
2022-06-27 13:22
player inconsistency. you can throw all the fking nades and smokes you want, but if you dont hit the shots it doesnt matter what your gameplan is.
2022-06-27 13:26
emilia was carrying the squad it was gg the moment she left truly the goat of csgo
2022-06-27 13:19
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Denmark Rubix__
hahah lol
2022-06-27 13:21
8/8
2022-06-27 13:26
Support under the deck
2022-06-27 13:29
astralis got washed + org was uncomfortable for players + lost motivation i guess
2022-06-27 13:19
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Denmark CompactDisc
they got tired of winning too much, actually happens. they were literally suffering from success
2022-06-27 13:21
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i mean it's fair that a team gets tired, 4 majors, that's insane, and only had kjaerbye for one of them instead of magisk thrice, but still, why aren't other teams trying to anti strat super hard and using tons of utility successfully? I mean yeah of course now it's very very saturated because esports are taken way more seriously every year but still.... csgo seems so dull right now
2022-06-27 13:24
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Romania styl3noxe
I think dev1ce was the only one "suffering from success".He is one of my favorite players, but winning so much and being on top for so long really made him believe it's not that hard, he thought he can easily win with another team and even being better than he was on gla1ve's system, wich was a really stupid thing to believe.
2022-06-27 13:31
Obliterating every opponent on earth with ease stopped being funny.
2022-06-27 13:23
i feel zonic was a big part of the astralis team everyone knew. looked like him and gla1ve shared the same vision of the game and also had the right players to achieve something great. that and players leaving gla1ve having to work with 2 new coaches and new players joining some with less experience and such.
2022-06-27 13:27
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Romania styl3noxe
Gla1ve and Zonic were 2 levels above everyone.Their brain + the other 4 godlike players in the team, all perfect for their specific role made the GOAT team.Everything was perfect.
2022-06-27 13:41
They had better players and zonic carried glaive probably
2022-06-27 13:35
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#21
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Romania styl3noxe
yeah, same way zonic is carying vitality right now xD
2022-06-27 13:41
I think the biggest factor was zonic leaving. He was the core element of the classic Astralis, and the synergy between him and gla1ve made the team so great.
2022-06-27 13:38
glaive was cheating, duh
2022-06-27 13:39
#22
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Romania styl3noxe
Because this is a 5v5 game after all.Astralis changed this game on every aspect, but the whole team did it, not gla1ve, not zonic, not dev1ce or anyone else.They did it together.They had perfect players for each role, a good system and a decent org behind them who could offer them everything they needed.Gla1ve and Zonic were 2 levels above everyone and a big if not the biggest reason why they were so successful for so long, but as we saw on the scene since their downfall you can have the best players in the world and it will mean nothing if you don t have a good igl / a good structure and you can have the best igl in the world and again it will not matter if you don t have players who can hit headshots.The team is not working right now cuz they don t have anything to work with.The only good (top 20) player is blameF, but he is a passive player so you can t rely on him to win games for you.Nobody fits any role, the firepower is not good enough (and useless if the players are not confortable) so guess what they totally suck.Ask why Astralis is not working when you have teams like G2 with incredible firepower who still can t do anything, Gambit again with incredible firepower who could dominate the scene but guess what they still barely win anything, FaZe with almost 4 top 20 players and one of the best IGL's this world has ever seen, who still has a lot of issues when on paper they should dominate everyone.If you call Astralis, the most dominant team of all time overrated, what about the other teams who only won a couple of tournaments from time to time or who only dominated for like maximum 1 year ? They don't even exist ? xD
2022-06-27 14:08
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