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Astralis AWP
Germany MGenius 
2 things people like to say about Astralis AWPers: 1. "Dev1ce was overrated and only played good in the Astralis System due to gla1ve, didn't deserve his MVPs as much as others etc." Astralis hasn't had consistent success since he left, quite the contrary even. Also his replacements haven't found nearly the impact he had on that old team while he himself did good on NiP. That whole absence thing is a topic for itself. 2. "Kick Lucky, kick farlig, kick blablabla" Correct me if I'm wrong but since dev1ce left, the following players used the AWP on Astralis mainly (not in this order): Lucky, Dupreeh, Gla1ve, K0nfig (although not for long) and farlig. And all sucked at it it seemed, the only exception being a few rare maps. Now for Dupreeh, Gla1ve and K0nfig obviously the point can be made that theiy're not Main AWPers. For Lucky he's not experienced enough, perhaps not talented either. But not for farlig. Dude was experienced, played pretty solid before and clearly had talent. And now has his worst ratings in his career, if you look at his event history he started becoming super inconsistent upon joining Astralis and in the server he doesn't look comfortable at all. So what's the reasoning for this? Well there are multiple factors but I think this is the biggest: Gla1ve doesn't support his AWPers and their strats at the moment are actual trash. And this has now stayed the same during multiple coaches. Look into their demos. It's not as bad as about 2 months ago, they're getting better but many of their T-side strats are completely brainless even on their best maps. On Ancient there were some matches where they legit rushed A 3-4 rounds in a row, loosing all of them big time, not even close. The only consistent way of them getting their rounds together as a T is usually BlameF shooting really hard. They don't set up their AWP with room or util, in fact their util is looking pretty horrible on the t-side mostly, which is suprising for this team. Gla1ve is seen as the best IGL of all time and he certainly is the most achieved; but only on one roster, always with his own playstyle in one meta/timeperiod, the same language, same players (who were btw, all very experienced, smart and good teamplayers, hard workers) etc. Then often enough they apparently have "strats" where their Main-AWPer doesn't AWP but one of the other players? Like wtf? Imagine NaVi, FaZe etc. doing this. This is not only a bad strat most likely but also massively hurts the confidence of your AWPer for this and future matches and probably destroys the teamspirit because there's no trust.
2022-06-30 00:49
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#1
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Turkey edsvi
Didnt read but dev1ce is goat
2022-06-30 00:50
9 replies
#3
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United Kingdom shuckmagic
what about XANTARES
2022-06-30 00:50
5 replies
#48
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Turkey edsvi
He is goat rifler
2022-06-30 12:56
4 replies
onliner nuff said
2022-06-30 14:46
3 replies
#74
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Turkey edsvi
What
2022-06-30 15:04
2 replies
xantares isnt a goat, hes an onliner, this 5-8th place at roobet is the best he'll do
2022-06-30 17:06
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#80
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Turkey edsvi
0/8 b8
2022-06-30 17:09
Woxic clear if we are honest.
2022-06-30 01:02
2 replies
both low impact wiffers
2022-06-30 02:03
woxic tier 3-4 awper, correct
2022-06-30 10:33
didnt read that lolololol!
2022-06-30 00:50
1 reply
mens didnt even give us a tldr how rude
2022-07-01 21:07
The thing is that there's a reason why gla1ve doesn't trust awpers who are just not dev1ce. Not being able to hit drypeeking opponent with AWP and making questionable decisions mid-round is unacceptable in tier1.. dev1ce never had those kind of problems farlig and Lucky have, that's the difference
2022-06-30 00:53
12 replies
dev1ce also saw chances and took initiatives and turned situations in favor of Astralis. Whatever Lucky and farlig do instead cost them players/map control and hence rounds.
2022-06-30 01:02
6 replies
The "farlig and Lucky are not comfortable under gla1ve's system" argument makes zero sense, they are just not good enough for gla1ve's system, only dev1ce can handle it. That's all
2022-06-30 01:18
5 replies
or mabye just shit system thats all
2022-06-30 02:09
3 replies
Shit system doesn't win 4 majors as far as I know
2022-06-30 10:06
2 replies
It looks like the winning thing was not the system, but device
2022-06-30 20:57
1 reply
When device left the system got ruined.. Not because that he left, because one of the pieces of that system was missing with his departure. Astralis would've fallen even if device stayed and someone else left
2022-07-01 16:57
They do not have a system of that sorts at the moment, just watch their demos, it's an absolute mess. They try stuff over and over with no improvements when they're loosing, their teamplay is often non existent, just 3-4 players lurking around the map on their own in mid-rounds and their AWPer holding the bomb.. Then they rush several times in a row and are being read easily. To be fair they're slowly improving, rn is nowhere near as bad as a few months ago, but still far from being good. Was dev1ce better than those 2? Absolutely. But you cannot complain about that but need to make your pieces work, even if your management won't give u the ones you'd like to have unfortunately. And apparently that might not be one of his strengths, at least when you compare it to karrigan for example. Considering these problems have shown up for so long now with no significant changes. Maybe he should overthink his approach towards AWPing
2022-06-30 02:11
The thing is, Devve has a lot of T1 experience and they were such an close unit that it's almost impossible to get back to that level without putting a lot of time, work and faith in... Hope he returns to Astralis tho
2022-06-30 10:34
You wrote my thoughts +1 I agree that gla1ve doesn't trust awpers.
2022-06-30 13:18
2 replies
Edit: gla1ve doesn't trust AWPers who aren't dev1ce
2022-06-30 13:56
1 reply
For a good reason though, there's no good available awper in Denmark. They should just remove xyp9x and farlig, make gla1ve awp and get the two best possible riflers they can. Most likely still won't make them a contender team but they can't possibly get worse at this point lmao
2022-06-30 20:26
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2022-06-30 21:44
#5
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United States warr10r_
+1
2022-06-30 00:54
#6
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France Randomguy69
Didnt read but dev1ce is the most overrated cs pro
2022-06-30 00:57
2 replies
gyazo.com/0891ad8e2059678faa5e0697976cff.. /closed, impossible to be overrated with 2 major mvps and 6 top 5 placements
2022-06-30 01:04
Flair checks out mr. Third time losing katowice finals
2022-06-30 10:19
didnt read but device goat
2022-06-30 01:03
Well gla1ve only ever played with Device who is not your typical AWPer, hes a passive player that will be very consistent and hit his shots, and pop off and hard carry some games. No other AWPer is like this asides from Sh1ro nowadays, and Gla1ve trying to use Farlig as a 'device replacement' instead of him being his own player is probably hurting the team. But the team sucks anyways
2022-06-30 01:04
2 replies
True
2022-06-30 01:59
I agree, but farlig is struggling to even hold angles, which is maybe the most basic part of awping. Regardless of how passive/aggressive he is, surely that is a problem?
2022-06-30 13:20
aight
2022-06-30 01:04
tl;dr device goat
2022-06-30 01:10
Farlig was not playing in tier 1 before. Closed
2022-06-30 01:39
1 reply
I mean FPX was like 1.5, but look at maden for example
2022-06-30 01:59
agreed glaive is a problem but u cant blame glaive for farlig's ass awping bro, god tier awpers like device zywoo and s1mple dont need an IGL to support their playstyle they just shit on everyone easily
2022-06-30 01:41
2 replies
They dont need an IGL yeah but they need an AWP xd. At least mostly. And they're getting set up for success massively with flashes, plays to force enemy rotations into them etc
2022-06-30 02:00
1 reply
I can assure you that they actually dont need an awp and that is one of the reasons why they are so good^^
2022-06-30 10:32
#18
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Austria Grundz
Prime device > Farlig Prime device > Lucky Prime device was passive and hit his shots. Everyone now is trying to run around 10 seconds into a round and flick across the fucking earth. Even if you put Device back into Astralis, they'd still be shit. CS has moved on.
2022-06-30 01:47
1 reply
working out pretty good so far for sh1ro tho
2022-06-30 14:26
Farlig has always been super inconsistent. I feel like people overrate him so hard, having regard to his lackluster period in GODSENT/FPX where he was just a mediocre awper averaging 1.10 vs T2/T3 teams Nowadays awpers are meant to be the best players on the team, yet Farlig has never discharged its duty of being the star of the team apart from CPHF times.
2022-06-30 01:54
3 replies
I mean he was Tier 1.5 and many others from that region are now very high up, look at maden. He was good, not great yeah. If Astralis management were smart they should've gotten nicodooz since he's a better fit for them all around
2022-06-30 02:02
2 replies
+nicoodoz +Jabbi/zyphon/roej (or even 2 of them and -k0nfig, xyp9x and farlig This couldve been a long term promising lineup but somehow astralis managed to miss out on those players
2022-06-30 10:36
1 reply
yeah quite disappointing. You'd think transfer fees shouldn't have been a problem either considering fnatic bought them who are also not known for spending much
2022-06-30 20:14
ancient at the major vs liquid was a very clear sign of this glaive forced farlig to play a certain way, and when he did poorly, he took the awp away from him
2022-06-30 02:06
1 reply
Yeah very weird decisions, but they keep on happening, so many problems in that roster
2022-06-30 02:03
#27
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Denmark Luk9x
Kekw, farling missing shots at standing oponents now is a strat problem, not that he just bad. The reason of why he became worse after joining Astralis is simple: before that, he only played against tier 2/3 teams. An awper that has support stats against top10 teams, is nowhere near a strats issue.
2022-06-30 02:08
4 replies
You can say the same about Xyp... And I think both of them can and would play far better if they were more comfortable and therefore motivated to practice harder and play calmer. He played against Tier 1.5 with good teammates before who can also play Tier 1 and they pulled quite a few upsets. You'd be right about your last point, it's just that this has been going on since dev1ce left so there might be a bigger problem meaning just trying another AWPer change might not do very much
2022-06-30 02:16
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Denmark Luk9x
I do not expect high KPR from a support. You expect impact and kills mostly from your star players. Xyp had 0.95-1.10 rating his whole carreer; for a support his stats for the role he does, were not just ok, but even deserving 3 hltv top 20. Both konfig, and farlig are not doing what they are suppossed to = kill. Specially konfig, as if you are only a pew pew no brain player, at least win your aim duels.
2022-06-30 02:47
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I mean yeah sure roles definitely make a difference no doubt, but also his individual form was at a low point this year unfortunately, right now he's getting significantly better again it seems. Still there were very many situations mostly earlier this year in which he gave up key rounds by simply playing unaware which is pretty uncommon for a player of his caliber or by not hitting his shots like at all leading to him/teammates dying in situations where he had a massive advantage
2022-06-30 20:20
#59
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Since Dallas Astralis has played only played G2, BiG, Heroic, C9, Imperial, Forze and Faze who are in top 20. Here are his Map ratings against Each team. G2 - 1.17, 1.18, 0.78 (vertigo) Imperial - 1.01, 0.56 (mirage), 1.16 Big - 1.08, 1.15 Heroic - 1.01, 1.07 C9 - 0.73, 0.44 (mirage) Forze - 1.03, 1.13 Faze - 1.08, 0.66 (Mirage), 1.22. Entire Astralis suck in mirage. But xyp even more so. Should get rid off mirage. Mirage Details: Astralis has a 40% WR on MIrage. 4 Player on Mirage are struggling Farlig 0.88, Gla1ve 0.85, Xyp 0.75 and Konfig barely making it to Okayish status at 1.00 (or else 0.92) that too because of 1 match against FaZe or else evern he is in red. No other map fucks up with Astralis as Mirage and they keep letting their opponents punish pick it up on them. I think there is a clear mismatch between how Gla1ve wants his AWP vs How Farlig wants to AWP.
2022-06-30 14:03
didn't read but junior is a better awper than device is.
2022-06-30 02:11
3 replies
Obviously, junior has far more AWP kills than dev1ce in the last 6 months... crystal clear
2022-06-30 02:13
2 replies
+1 HAHAHHA
2022-06-30 03:39
#55
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United Kingdom shuckmagic
lol
2022-06-30 14:00
what do you guys think about device coming back to astralis?
2022-06-30 02:43
3 replies
#56
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United Kingdom shuckmagic
if he comes back it will be to nip most likely
2022-06-30 14:00
2 replies
hope so, nip has far more potential
2022-06-30 14:28
1 reply
i dont think so
2022-06-30 17:22
bro....just because he wasn't a flashy player doest mean he was overrated...The reason he found so much success was because of his consistency and finding impact kills. Also a good rifler and pistol player. You see Lucky had chance to fit in same role but didn't find that success because of inconsistency. Next you get bored don't post lengthy random shit.
2022-06-30 10:26
I wanted astralis to pick up acor if I'm honest
2022-06-30 10:44
3 replies
#86
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Acor from MadLions/Tricked days would absolutely shit on both Lucky and Farlig. His performance in Mouz brought his stocks wayy down but I too believe he can thrive again in a Danish team again.
2022-06-30 20:28
2 replies
Dexter even said the problem wasn't acor it was that Dexter couldn't provide a system that acor needed Gla1ve could most certainly provide that system
2022-06-30 22:18
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#96
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea i agree , if Glaive trusts him
2022-07-01 21:03
#44
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Asia flipflop
All the players you've mentioned above who awped after device ain't t1 primary awpers. There's no talents like degster/money/sh1ro available in Denmark. The best they've got after device is cadian. If they failed with a good t1 awper, then we could've agreed that device was the key.
2022-06-30 10:44
1 reply
I mean everyone in old Astralis was the key
2022-06-30 11:26
#46
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United States Phanji
at the end, the thing is faze have 4 people who can awp so i wouldn’t be surprised if karrigan said broky give awp to tops or twists for the strat but i couldn’t see navi doing that when they have S1mple, except for bogdan’s law moments
2022-06-30 11:34
#47
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Sweden skorpan
1. Device had authority to DEMAND set-ups for him which in the end gave hugh impact 2. All the others u mentioned are not demanding anything, just listening Hence - lower impact and losing the biggest part of this current meta.
2022-06-30 11:45
+1, that was a funny excuse from farlig when he said something like "gla1ve didn't take my awp from me, that was a prepared strat". if u are preparing strats in which ur awper isn't awping it's not a good thing at all, it's even worse than if gla1ve took his awp just cos he sucked in a particular game farlig is really mediocre tbh. his form back in 2020 upon joining godsent was really just a flash and he will not be dev1ce even in the best system possible, he's just behind mechanically. but yeah, he can indeed play better than barely 1.00 rating. "astralis system" or "gla1ve's system" is not a thing in itself, it doesn't work without old players and zonic funny that trace was a decent coach in terms of establishing structure, yet he can't do nothing on astralis main roster. i think gla1ve is a bigger problem actually than people may think
2022-06-30 13:10
Farlig misses ez shots that cost astralis rounds and games >ITS GLAVE , HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO USE AWPERS lmao stop with this , astralis does not know how to pick up good awpers thats all , farlig is a great aggresive awper , but a shit system awper since he cant hold passive angles thats not glaves fault
2022-06-30 13:12
1 reply
+111111
2022-06-30 14:34
#52
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New Zealand kdeadly
dev1ce was a key player for astralis
2022-06-30 13:20
Good thread bro You yourself say that dev1ce was good both in astralis and nip. So we can conclude dev1ce's success is his own work. So we can't even know what part of Astralis success belongs to dev1ce and what to gla1ve. On the other hand I agree we can't say that farlig/lucky poor performance is only their fault. I have never seen Astralis have a round based around awp. Farlig and Gla1ve are not mates, Gla1ve is senior. Gla1ve tells Farlig does. Dev1ce's growth wasn't under such environment. When he joined NIP he was already at legend status. m0NESY has been having all freedom since joined G2. Jame can set up a game around himself. S1mple...you know. Sh1ro is always praised by nafany so he has a lot of freedom as well. The only exception I know is degster. According to his words he wants to play aggressively and wants the game builds around him and Team Spirit couldn't afford to take down their structure for this. And this was the main reason why degster left. But maybe it is not relevant because degster might wants a lot more freedom and already has such that farlig never had in Astralis. I think gla1ve needs more trust to teammates and if can't trust just don't sign players and seek for the ones you can trust in-game.
2022-06-30 14:01
1 reply
#60
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I think there is a clear mismatch between how Gla1ve wants his AWP vs How Farlig wants to AWP.
2022-06-30 14:04
don't worry i think device will be back in astralis after cologne. they don't fight hard in the last events so it's obvious they are changing something and players know about it
2022-06-30 14:02
9 replies
#61
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Astralis is publicly trading org. They wont be able to justify Dev1ce purchase to their shareholders. whosoever they might be.
2022-06-30 14:05
8 replies
for me there is no point in any other change if you are not bringing device back. maybe -xyp +valde but i don't think that change make astralis top5 team. they should keep xyp and get device. in fact they need to bench k0nfig before xyp. everyone knows device is not gonna play for nip never again and astralis is where he wants to play now. so he shouldn't waste more months of his career and astralis have to find a way to bring him back.
2022-06-30 14:11
3 replies
#63
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Biggest +1. Fixing the seats inside your Airplane will hardly make any difference if the Engine is inconsistent.
2022-06-30 14:14
2 replies
yeah but this lineup have so many role clashes and consistency problems besides awp problems. maybe blamef-gla1ve duo will never work and they will not succeed even with device. they need to make gla1ve feel confident and he is definitely not feeling at the moment. anyway i am not the biggest fan for astralis now and i don't care so much. i just can't wait for astralis last dance lol
2022-06-30 14:26
1 reply
#75
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
lol... same
2022-06-30 15:06
their financials isnt that bad anymore tho, last two years they had an overall profit of around 5-700k if im not mistaken they have an equity at around 25 million ( dont shoot me if im wrong lmao)
2022-06-30 14:40
3 replies
#76
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Thing is its not about last 2 year with these things. Its basically Today, Tomorrow and day after.
2022-06-30 15:07
2 replies
ofc, but their money clearly doesnt come from prize money, but from sponsorships etc, merch etc. Should be even better, since they have gotten a few more big investors/sponsorships on board
2022-06-30 15:33
1 reply
#90
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Ya.. I think they might bring all of them in as a last dance as an ultimate gimmick
2022-06-30 21:40
#64
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Australia rationale
The team just doesn't click for some reasons. Individual pushes on their T side don't help either. This is not Astralis, this is a new inexperienced T2 danish team.
2022-06-30 14:21
#72
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Pakistan Lab3l
lucky was unlucky thou most of the time glaive stole awp from him
2022-06-30 14:42
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#77
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
You got that wrong. Lucky chose to rifle and Gla1ve had to pick up the AWP.
2022-06-30 15:14
To long mate didnt read Just facts Astralis are dead
2022-06-30 20:27
#87
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I agree that Glaive perhaps doesn't have enough faith in his awpers but it also needs to be said that these awpers missing sitter shots ain't Glaive's fault but these guys not being good enough to play on this level against these top teams. Compared to Device being S tier, Farlig and Lucky are between B and C tier. Thing is they can't ever solve their awp problem because only good awper now plays for Fnatic. Getting Device back is their only option to ride high as a Danish team again or else we need to get used to them just barely being a Top 10 team now.
2022-06-30 20:33
#88
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Canada xyzoo
im a device hater but i would love to see him coming back to astralis and prove me soo wrong
2022-06-30 20:37
#92
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Poland moistu
dev1ce carrying this bots all time in 2020-2021 Magisk , Xyp9x , gla1ve hard sucking
2022-06-30 22:18
#95
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United States vakko
why do you write all this shit bro? go spend your time doing something useful for your life...
2022-07-01 17:00
#98
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Sweden Lackstrom
None can replace device nobody not even s1mple
2022-07-01 21:12
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