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WHY BO5 IS BAD
France cake1 
Hobbit on Twitter "Bo5 is too much. Just imo." twitter.com/HObbitcsgo/status/1391174231.. Dupreeh tweeted: "Never ever bo5. Worst match format for both players and spectators imo. It’s literally too much...." twitter.com/dupreeh/status/1044590332946.. Even Elige and Bymas agreed: twitter.com/bymascs/status/1391347301139.. twitter.com/EliGE/status/139117920846713..
2022-07-03 23:37
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#1
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Poland tailal
ok.
2022-07-03 23:37
3 replies
+1
2022-07-17 20:39
1 reply
Most bo5's = 3 - 0
2022-07-17 22:14
#2
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Major finals should be a BO5 to give them an extra added charm that would make them standout even more compared to other tournaments.
2022-07-03 23:38
58 replies
No
2022-07-03 23:40
5 replies
#9
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Yes
2022-07-03 23:41
yes.
2022-07-05 15:28
yes
2022-07-17 21:46
yes
2022-07-17 21:50
yes
2022-07-17 22:12
Imagine waiting 7 hrs for a result to come! Too much attention span needed
2022-07-03 23:41
22 replies
#15
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I dont mind. Final of the most prestigious event should have teams be tested on many other fronts and in other aspects as well where they get more mentally strained and have to put in more effort to achieve the ultimate triumph
2022-07-03 23:43
20 replies
#57
gla1ve | 
Denmark JKTP
You can exclusively think about the spectator experience 7 hours of stress is too much. Fatigue would become too large of a factor.
2022-07-04 02:18
19 replies
Would be impossible to watch for most, Imagine having to work when a 7 h final starts at 8 PM. BO3 is long enough. Also Players will be tired, especially with the recent tech issues. The later maps will just be bad cs to watch.
2022-07-04 10:13
15 replies
The final would start in the late afternoon and be done by 10pm, there are a lot of precedents for that. And players can spend 2 more hours playing in order to earn their 30k check a month, I'm fine with that
2022-07-04 10:35
13 replies
7h backwards from 10 pm would be 3 pm. would not call that late afternoon. But i am talking of working people like me. I leave work maybe at 5 pm, go home eat, start watching the game late (half way in) and then go to bed 1 h after the game. Does not sound too enticing. Most tournaments also have more than 1 game per day. Losers final and winners final. You would just lose viewers/ad-money like this.
2022-07-04 11:50
12 replies
No bo5 lasts 7 hours, idk where people have made up that number from. We plan 3 hours for bo3 in csgo, so why would two additional maps last 4 more hours. And...no? Sunday is only the final in csgo, with a showmatch padding out the hours so that the viewers in the arena get some more entertainment for their money(This showmatch can be skipped if you have bo5). What tournament last had the grand final on the same day as other tournament matches, I can only remember some in the covid era maybe, but no LAN tourneys recently.
2022-07-04 12:10
11 replies
BO5 is guaranteed 3 maps which mostly take around an hour or more. Then you have to add delays (every fucking game has a delay in it for some fucking reason), timeouts, side switch times, ad breaks, time between maps, not even matches.. It adds up to 7 hours pretty easily for a Bo5. People already have major problems following F1 for under 2 hours on a normal race and hockey for 2 hours 30 min. Nobody wants or has time for BO5's.
2022-07-04 14:44
10 replies
No it's not though, because by your logic, we would take 4-5 hours for every bo3. It's just not the case, it's a lie
2022-07-04 14:45
8 replies
I'm glad the actual players disagree and we don't have to suffer BO5's as much as otherwise, anyways, the argument for BO5's is that the better map pool team wins.. Why not do BO7 then?
2022-07-04 14:46
7 replies
Disagree with what exactly? Because I'm basing myself on every tournament organizer's planning, they all plan 3 hours per bo3. So I don't understand how 2 additional maps add 4 hours to the whole thing.
2022-07-04 14:47
6 replies
Planning 3 hours for BO3 is optimistic, it almost never matches the actual time spent from scheduled time to start to match end when there's evenly matched teams.
2022-07-04 14:49
5 replies
It almost never fails to match the actual time played, that's why we plan out this exact time. If it would fail all the time and burst schedules, then tournament organizers would adapt and plan in more time, they're not stupid.
2022-07-04 14:49
4 replies
#138
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Finland Tertzi
Ever notice how there are multiple bo3 matches on the same day? Usually there are 2-0 matches as well as 2-1 matches, which make the average bo3 converge towards 3h. If a match goes 2-1 with multiple 30-round maps or even overtimes, it's gonna take a lot longer than 3 hours. Factor in that in the final the teams are expected to be semi-evenly matched, therefore probably trade picks, 7h is perfectly reasonable for 5 maps.
2022-07-04 17:36
3 replies
Bo3 don't last 4 hours on a regular basis so why are we talking as if bo5 last 7 hours on a regular basis? You are taking the most extreme example possible and base your argument on that, but what bo5 final actually took 7 hours, ever? The overwhelming majority of finals do not go even to 5 maps, and even then I doubt they'd last 7 hours.
2022-07-04 18:25
2 replies
#161
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Finland Tertzi
I'm not saying the average bo5 is 7h long, I'm saying it's a perfectly reasonable timeframe for a tight bo5. I'm perfectly aware it can be over quicker than a blowout bo3 as well. I can't , however, agree that bo3 don't regularly last 4h. Any (not literally, bear with me here) 3 map game will with its breaks will be 4h if not more. 1h+ per map + 20(ish)min breaks in between ~4h. Then you have the 2-0 games, which make a 3h bo3 estimate possible for tournaments.
2022-07-05 17:13
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#168
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Finland Tertzi
FIrst games I've watched in a long time and what do you know, both Ast - BIG and Sprout - Vitality take 4h :D
2022-07-06 20:05
Most bo5 also come with a map win advantage when going through upper bracket. So no not every bo5 has been atleast 3 maps.
2022-07-04 18:34
The grand finals is on Sundays. So there is not an issue for the most people. BO5 is the best when its Grand Finals.
2022-07-05 17:22
#78
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Pakistan LoOuU2
its just one game , not a whole tournament. Besides if a match is as spectacular as it was between Faze and G2 earlier this year, fatigue wouldnt be on mind of the people
2022-07-04 10:14
2 replies
No, Fatigue always has a toll. Especially mental toll and stress. It's not just "one game", it's the most important game in CS;GO potentially in the history of said players careers. Being in Highly stressful situation for almost double the amount of time makes for an exhausting process. The game would favor older more experienced teams way more, due to them being better at handling pressure, fatigue etc. so RIP to all the underdog runs. Also crowd would become too much of a determening factor The longer the experience the more important mind games become because of the massive mental fatigue. Playing CS:GO 7 hours in a row, is already a lot of time. Add in the fact that it's the single most important match in CSGO and the mental games are on. BO5 also ruins the map pool. The first map being a guaranteed ban is an important dynamic, due to a team either having to use it as a crutch and have a perma ban map, or leave an open map pool but be potentially weaker on all 7. That dynamic was a large part of what made certain teams like old Astralis, and NAVI so good. It's an important part of the game.
2022-07-04 12:18
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#116
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Pakistan LoOuU2
it is just "one game" and the fact that its the most important game in CSGO potentially in history of said players` career is exactly the reason why it should be the toughest matchup they ever participate in. lol just because underdogs are having a good run doesnt mean that finals should be catered to what they feel comfortable to. Its a Major final , the grandest stage of them , it SHOULD BE an exhausting process to clinch the title , it etches your name in CSGO history , the matchup should feel like something that brings the best out of you because you are getting something which only a handful ever get in their whole careers. It should be both mentally and physically taxing. It should stand out from rest of the finals. And no it doesnt ruin the map pool , in fact it tests your map pool, how good you actually are on other maps too , not just 2 or 3 that you keep on replaying. Your map pool, your strats should be tested on the ultimate stage , thats what playing a Major finakl should be about. these are some of the most wack and weakest arguments i have ever heard. You people sound like they play a BO5 every other day and all those BO5 last 7 hours. We are talking about only 2 per year , stop being such a crybaby about it.
2022-07-04 14:26
''Imagine waiting 7 hrs for a result to come'' Lol, you would love chess...
2022-07-07 00:14
#17
nitr0 | 
United States JDMX5
You're right. Every tournament should have BO3s (stop doing trash BO1s for tier 1 & 2 tournaments), whereas, the the major should be a BO5 to show that the winning team truly deserves the win and has the better skills, strats, and map pool
2022-07-03 23:43
8 replies
#21
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Expected smart comment from a fan of NA's beat IGL.
2022-07-03 23:45
5 replies
#23
nitr0 | 
United States JDMX5
Can't honestly tell if sarcasm or not. Lol. As I'm NA, I would expect you're throwing punches at me and my region. Lmao
2022-07-03 23:46
4 replies
#34
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Pakistan LoOuU2
HAH that's the beauty of it. It feels like troll but really who actually is a better IGL from NA in like ever?
2022-07-03 23:56
3 replies
#52
nitr0 | 
United States JDMX5
Well, sadly, you're correct on that as well. Lol. I just hope nitr0 and the boys have been cooking up some strats for Cologne so we can see them perform for the first time in a while. And your boys in Astralis, I hope Konfig can turn up in Cologne. He's such a good player, just been in a bit of slump lately. If he shows up like he normally does, you guys will be lights out and easily a slept on team.
2022-07-04 00:38
2 replies
#89
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea i hope Liquid show some good form in Cologne as well. I personally dont think that Nitro alone can IGL and do all the mid round calling stuff as well so the part that Shox was playing , i hope Elige picks it up as he should and they can make way for Yekindar or some other good aimer to provide that much needed firepower. I just want to see NAF win some trophies and not break his back every game As for Astralis well, there are more problems than just 1 or 2 players. Konfig has always been consistently inconsistent historically but this time around it really looks like a slump where he just isnt recovering from. Even Xyp stepped up lately yet no actual good results, Farlig misses sitters, Glaive`s T-side calling is barebones , role clashes apparent. Its just a team full of messes that BaitF is keeping afloat. I hope they can recover soon too but i fail to see it happening without any roster changes
2022-07-04 10:28
1 reply
Oh no, you're 100% correct. nitr0, naf, and osee are all too chill. nitr0 may have some strats but no one seems to let their personality get out and get hyped up. That was the one thing stew and one of the things shox brought to the team. Even tho Yekindar is an agressive rifler, hopefully he can come up with some stuff on the fly that'll help the NA boys. But yeah, I'm not a fan of Elige's personality but he's an amazing rifler and deserves some wins. naf just deserves trophies in general. Dude has been so good for so long and they just fall flat as a team... That's true, I didn't think about that. Yeah, I noticed that Xyp had been popping off right after everyone was saying they should think about dropping him. Same with tiziaN in BIG. Yeah but Farlig should grow over the coming months to a year. Seems like he's getting more comfortable with the big LAN tournaments and the new Astralis. So hopefully he'll hit the guarantees more so. BaitF is so funny. Shit talked everywhere you look, yet he puts up some of the biggest numbers in the game right now. Dude is always consistent and even has been doing more entries than he used to
2022-07-05 15:22
Based and intelligent
2022-07-05 02:01
+1
2022-07-05 17:22
Starladder Berlin Final was one of the shortest majors in history and it still took about 2 hours. A best of five would take 10 years.
2022-07-04 00:43
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#82
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Pakistan LoOuU2
no it wouldnt , you are just exaggerating like BO5 arent actually a thing for real. It will be taxing on the players , as the final of a Major should be
2022-07-04 10:17
no
2022-07-04 09:40
1 reply
#83
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Pakistan LoOuU2
2022-07-04 10:17
#85
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Late edit : as someone mentioned here before , eliminating OT from a BO5 final can make it even more appealing to people. On 15-15 the map ends with each team getting half a point while a map win nets them a full 1 point. Only have OT on the final map if both teams are tied at points to decide the winner. this can even led to matches being of 4 maps without any need of OT, even if games are tied in regulation
2022-07-04 10:24
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#200
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Argentina Aleeee
+1 really interesting idea, it would be sth refreshing to majors....
2022-07-07 05:12
+1 BO5 for Major finals Bo5 don't last 10 years idk why people are so dramatic about them
2022-07-04 10:40
3 replies
#96
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Pakistan LoOuU2
ikr , some people are really exaggerating it like it really takes up alot of time to have it finish while they have been a thing in existence for a long time and havent really necessarily ever sucked up so much duration
2022-07-04 10:40
2 replies
comments like above and #79 are stupid This is the major finals, the most extreme and demanding tournament. Being resilient, focused, performing well despite the time and pressure is completely part of the game and this high stake tournament. It completely fits majors, imo this is also what differentiates champions from great players
2022-07-04 10:44
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#99
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Pakistan LoOuU2
*slams desk* thank you! Of course a Zywoo`s countryman would understand the bigger picture and the importance and worth that a Major Grand Finals carry , they should be more demanding compared to rest of the finals of the tournaments!
2022-07-04 10:46
+1 it basically happens once to twice a year
2022-07-04 10:51
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#117
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Pakistan LoOuU2
exactly ! just for Major finals means 2 per year , like how is that alot ?
2022-07-04 14:27
#111
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India gXser
No i think major final should be bo7 and all major matches should be bo5. Then they will maybe have the "extra added charm"
2022-07-04 12:21
+1 obviously
2022-07-05 17:22
Major finals should be bo5, but shorter games. First to 13 like in valorant and shorter overtimes, 4 rounds instead of 6 for example.
2022-07-07 00:49
1 reply
#192
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Pakistan LoOuU2
MR12 sucks , keep MR15 but maybe get rid of OTs like mentioned in #95
2022-07-07 04:33
#185
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United Kingdom novaseer
I was at Antwerp. It was special enough as a BO3. If it was a BO5 we'd have all been knackered by the final map and seeing FaZe lift the trophy would have been less hype.
2022-07-07 04:00
0/9 -1 No
2022-07-07 05:21
#213
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Germany DerLaal
yes.
2022-07-17 20:23
+1
2022-07-17 20:23
#3
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Romania Pecea
the loser is literally who gets tired first
2022-07-03 23:39
6 replies
Yes. Imagine players like zywoo getting kicked from teams, because they can only keep their level for 3 maps
2022-07-04 10:15
Honestly I like this, stamina is important, you can be #1 but if you can't last then what good are you
2022-07-07 04:50
4 replies
#216
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Spain moorakami
ok, now imagine a 4-hour football match
2022-07-17 20:33
3 replies
you will imagine a 4hour football match when we talk about bo5 in a videogame only if you are a retard
2022-07-17 20:39
2 replies
#223
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Spain moorakami
bro it's a top level cs, not a fucking mario cart you need to be fully focused for 6 hours straight
2022-07-17 21:11
1 reply
not a problem
2022-07-17 23:06
#4
gas | 
Germany aL1337
wow, shocking
2022-07-03 23:44
is like me as a worker say i just want to leave and not end my shift, bo5 is nothing do your job
2022-07-03 23:39
2 replies
#13
REZ | 
Russia Stallex
really. They are have a really good salary and cries because bo5 is "too much" wtf wrong with them. But I agree that bo5 should only be in major finals
2022-07-03 23:41
1 reply
really good salary is what they deserve, you cant justify bo5 struggle with it, they are also human beings, they are not best for their stamina, but best at skill and teamplay
2022-07-04 10:23
I don’t need their tweets to know it’s too much and that’s why it’s only in a few tournaments from ESL, cause ESL is clueless. Btw they forbid ESL to do it again at the Major, so ESL Rio will NOT have a best of 5 grand final, unlike other ESL tournaments.
2022-07-03 23:40
6 replies
The major format is determined by Valve, obviously ESL wouldn't do a bo5 final there
2022-07-03 23:50
5 replies
You didn’t say anything new
2022-07-04 00:10
4 replies
Saying that "they forbid ESL" is weird wording to me, they never specifically forbid this for ESL, they just gave them the guidelines as they do with any other TO
2022-07-04 00:12
2 replies
Basically the same outcome, but typically German to nitpick for every shit instead of saying something really worthwhile
2022-07-04 00:13
1 reply
Just trying to make things clear, no need to be insulting.
2022-07-04 00:13
he's not nit-picking tbh, worthwhile clarification
2022-07-07 01:00
when it's bo5 i usually turn on the stream when third map is about the start, the latest Katowice was the exception but mirage was too long and it was enough for me
2022-07-03 23:41
Nah but its the best for competitiveness, it shows who is the better team with a deeper map pool, and imo that is more important than spectatorship or how the players feel. A bo5 should be exhausting, its a marathon not a sprint and no doubt its probably tiring to play but thats all part of the struggle you need to go through to truly be the best.
2022-07-03 23:41
4 replies
really well worded, completely agree.
2022-07-03 23:42
#22
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China Zhusha
Sure, it would be befitting for the major final, but otherwise no. We see too many bo5 these days, every random esl tier 1 has it. thankfully blast disagrees with bo5
2022-07-03 23:46
expected from a briton "marathon not a sprint" >:)
2022-07-04 14:47
This 100%
2022-07-07 04:51
i like watching a bo5 more map diversity and prevents 2-0's when the teams actually pretty equally strong.
2022-07-03 23:41
1 reply
The issues come when first two maps are OTs and players have to play another 30 rounds within two maps because of OTs. Now we have a huge problem because tiredness might be a factor
2022-07-04 09:55
elige complained about why MR16 is standard no doubt he would hate to play bo5 games.
2022-07-03 23:44
1 reply
#97
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Pakistan LoOuU2
expected from Elige to cry about anything and everything , in or out of the server
2022-07-04 10:40
BO5 should be 30 rounds only, meaning if it's 15-15 it's a draw and move on to the next map, draw gives 0.5 points. If all end in draws of if it's still equal in points, play sudden death!
2022-07-03 23:43
1 reply
or MR12 BO5? that would be interesting.
2022-07-03 23:44
Maybe finals should be bo7 that goes on for 2 days 3 first day and 4 on second
2022-07-03 23:45
1 reply
I'd love this, just make this the event
2022-07-07 04:52
Nbdy cares about grandpa botpreeh
2022-07-03 23:48
Playing a bo5 two or three times a year is fine, especially since those guys are getting paid incredible amounts of money. It just shouldn't be a part of every event, ESL have been overdoing it way too much with stuff like Pro League where it really shouldn't be in the format
2022-07-03 23:48
If major wants to have bo5, I think the final should be played at two days. First two maps in day one, conclusion in day two. Otherwise bo5 would be just stupid waste of time for everyone.
2022-07-03 23:49
13 replies
Worst idea ever conceived
2022-07-03 23:50
9 replies
not any worse than bo5 in itself.
2022-07-03 23:50
6 replies
+1
2022-07-03 23:52
much worse than bo5 itself. It doesn't make sense. You would then have 2 semi finals on Saturday+ large break + 2 maps of a final, and then only 1-3 maps on Sunday. Or if you don't start on Saturday and start on Sunday instead, then you have the final conclusion on a Monday when nobody can attend and nobody wants to come to the arena for potentially only 1 map
2022-07-04 00:07
3 replies
Semi-finals would obviously have to be on friday.
2022-07-04 02:07
2 replies
#186
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United Kingdom novaseer
then weekend attendees are literally only coming for one series and if it's a sleeper then fat luck bozo
2022-07-07 04:04
1 reply
Thats a risk many would be willing to take. Even for now if one is only coming for final day, one carries the same risk.
2022-07-07 11:32
#193
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United States Jaksin
+1
2022-07-07 04:35
weird you say that considering that sports that have marathon like finals do exactly that - split it over 2 days. No person can be expected to perform at it's peak for 8 hours straight, it's physically impossible. By having 5 maps played together we reduce the quality of CS we are watching.
2022-07-04 10:12
1 reply
+100
2022-07-04 16:54
#104
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China Zhusha
If you spread it over 2 days, you can also play a bo7, 3 maps on day 1, the rest on day 2.
2022-07-04 11:53
2 replies
That is true. But that would require there to be a 9 map mappool.
2022-07-04 16:51
1 reply
No, it requires a 7 map map pool because at most there are 7 maps played. At a 3-3 scoreline, the maximum amount of possible maps, the winner of map 7 is the winner overall
2022-07-04 18:59
BO5 only enjoyed by no lifers outside cs
2022-07-03 23:49
#31
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Brazil MrLucas
It really is too much... Maybe If its only for majors finals, but even then its rough, especially from a business point of view, expecting people to watch something for over 6 hours is just unrealistic
2022-07-03 23:51
The bo5 concept should be this: 1.000.000+ Tournaments bo5 (you don't play for pennies. Others bo3, although 750k is dependable.
2022-07-03 23:52
true. katowice was good but i didnt watch that dust game. and it was worthless as well since there is no world were g2 comeback
2022-07-03 23:56
Big event/major, semifinal/final only bo5 /closed
2022-07-03 23:58
#37
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
At the end of the day, this doesn't prove the BO5 format to be "bad", it's the professional opinion of certain pros to be respected. Obviously it's on the long side and that's a put off for most people, but the differences don't necessarily make it bad, just different. A BO5 is a good length and makes for a fantastic match if all 5 maps are played, it proves which team has the better map pool, endurance and fortitude to continue in the essence of a true champion. BO3's are obviously shorter matches but both are very enjoyable. There is no such thing as a BO7 format and it simply just doesn't work or function normally as a match-type, so a BO5 is better.
2022-07-04 00:01
7 replies
Wake up nobody gonna sit 7 hours for cs go
2022-07-04 01:54
1 reply
Not all BO5's are 7 hours.
2022-07-04 14:32
7 hours for one match is insane, no ty
2022-07-04 09:44
2 replies
You share the same opinion as some of the aforementioned professional players, which is fine.
2022-07-04 14:33
#235
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India RycerZ
So you can watch 2 Semi Finals which last 8 hours but cant watch 1 Final BO5? That too per 2 months.
2022-07-17 21:57
at the beginning of the day BO5 is bad
2022-07-04 16:53
1 reply
I mean-- if it's the very first match, then fair enough - that's not really the best start. BO5 is more fitting for a grand-final match than a starter match.
2022-07-04 17:26
nah, I love Bo5. Maybe it's tiring for the players, but seems like endurance is part of the point of a grand final
2022-07-04 00:02
#39
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India RycerZ
Just gotta admit CSGO viewers are lazy. Look at Dota 2, during TI the stadium matches are held for 7 days and Final is BO5. Never heard them complaining about 7 days and BO5 finals. But when it comes to CSGO, viewers don't even want Final to be BO5.
2022-07-04 00:01
6 replies
#41
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Serbia DjapeZ
I dont think DOTA is that exausting for players as is csgo.
2022-07-04 00:06
4 replies
#145
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India RycerZ
Why not, Basically same map every match but different heroes.
2022-07-04 19:46
2 replies
#147
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Serbia DjapeZ
Yeah but there is not much happening in the game, its not hard to play, while in cs u need to be focused every second u play
2022-07-04 23:12
1 reply
#238
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India RycerZ
What do you mean, in Dota you have to be very active as well. And there are literally 4 Skills to use.
2022-07-17 21:59
#237
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India RycerZ
Bro, you choose wrong hero while picks. Then you basically lost game even before it began.
2022-07-17 21:58
In csgo you have a rest every buy round + tactical timeout. In dota you cant pause and think of strats.
2022-07-17 21:42
#40
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Brazil dio_scuro
BO1 and BO5 both trash, BO3 goat.
2022-07-04 00:04
a good change for bo5 is, if a team wins the first 2 games then they should be granted the win automatically since you won your pick and the enemy's pick
2022-07-04 00:09
2 replies
#49
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Serbia DjapeZ
Thats actually good idea, basically like in tennis, u need 2 maps difference to win games, but if it comes to 2-2 then its down to deciding map.
2022-07-04 00:13
#148
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India RycerZ
If just different level of fun watching team lose from 2-0 to 2-3.
2022-07-04 23:18
+1
2022-07-04 00:09
#45
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Serbia DjapeZ
Me personally loved bo5 before, but now it really feels like its too much, for both viewers and players. Like in real sports, they could make bo3 matches, so u need to win 2 matches, but it would be needed to play troughout 2 max 3 days so* it would be long in that way
2022-07-04 00:13
Team who hates bo5 just dont play in the grand finals while team whos fine with it can play at the grand finals. Seems fair to me, what doink?
2022-07-04 00:22
of course, nobody wants bo5's, only idiots with no life, thats not an opinion that's fact
2022-07-04 00:41
4 replies
+1
2022-07-04 09:42
#112
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Slovakia AdorrioN
+1
2022-07-04 12:24
That is definitely not a fact and that opinion is unfair to those who enjoy the BO5 format.
2022-07-04 17:27
1 reply
I think my opinion is fair and that only a small extreme minority will disagree. for the majority of fans, not only casuals, it is important to give them a conclusion in a way that understands and respects their time, and not drag it out infinitely. from a players perspective its exhausting to make them play a potential 8 hour match, expecting them to be at peak performance in front of all seeing eyes, its like a mental and physical marathon after already playing a long event to get there in the first place. Then from the tournament organizer perspective, you got to rent the venue for an additional extra day plus all the venue and production crew, one day more day doesent sound like alot, but it is. And also after 3 maps when most matches would already be concluded with the most skilled team standing strong, its not the case with bo5, it can turn into a grueling unfocused brawl with random outcomes due to fatigue. this is why I say "nobody" wants it, I understand there will always be some people that wants bo5, but I dont think they understand why most people, players and TO's thinks its bad and why we do not see it that often.
2022-07-07 03:38
#58
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Korea jin67300
Then go BO7
2022-07-04 02:22
2 replies
bruh
2022-07-04 09:37
like rocket league
2022-07-04 14:39
Of course bo5 is the best format for viewers(nobody is forcing you to watch 7h straight so its invalid argument) but for sure there are people who want to. Also this is the best way to find who is really the best. No one wants to watch 2-0 final, please. hltv.org/matches/2345221/natus-vincere-v.. /closed
2022-07-04 02:30
2 replies
Its a good thing that there are more than 2 maps because I can skip the boring inferno snooze fest and still have other maps to watch
2022-07-04 10:28
#146
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India RycerZ
+1
2022-07-04 19:47
#60
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France brunky
bymas, elige and dupreeh dont even go to finals, so why do they care?
2022-07-04 02:32
I'm a die hard so I disagree However from a neutral and casual POV I'd love to see the relevant information
2022-07-04 03:25
bo5 is worst shit ever
2022-07-04 09:41
I mean I would never watch the whole thing, but crying about 7h of work is such a privilege lol
2022-07-04 09:45
#69
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Australia B_Tannen
BO5 tennis > BO3 tennis. I think these princesses will cope.
2022-07-04 09:46
Let these kids cry literally getting paid so much for playing a video game and yet they whinge about it.
2022-07-04 09:55
3 replies
#93
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France brunky
Having an average 23yo pro players, burning and complaining because they travel the world, play videos games as a job, getting overpayed when you compare casual workers, and crying for a 7h job every 2month (only IF they go thru the grand final) make me laugh so hard... Future generation of depressiv and suicidal when they gonna turn 30.
2022-07-04 10:34
2 replies
lol they wouldnt survive 1.6 era. bo3 could take up to 6 hours because of the delays kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-07-07 04:54
1 reply
#208
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France brunky
cant agree more. the funny thing is player like karrigan, one of the oldest, keep playing, and never complain.... this new generation is lazy af, and not only in esport...
2022-07-07 13:44
"even [toxic bot #1] and [toxic bot #2] agreed" ummm... ok...
2022-07-04 09:57
bo7 better
2022-07-04 10:07
1 reply
#106
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United States burzeus
+1
2022-07-04 11:53
bo3 is enough, agreed
2022-07-04 10:09
seriously who even watched an entire BO5?
2022-07-04 10:11
#80
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Sweden skorpan
bo5 - benefits younger players bo3 - "benefits" older players no one can be able to fully focus during 5 maps ...
2022-07-04 10:17
#81
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Ukraine Yuras
bo5 so interesting bo3 is enough
2022-07-04 10:17
But i want so see BIG again coming back from a 0:2 to win 3:2 ^^ hltv.org/matches/2341580/g2-vs-big-dream..
2022-07-04 10:17
BO5 is not too long. The slow rounds are too long. How many rounds do we all see the entire team camp for 1.30 min doing nothing else than throw a flash or a smoke and then execute when the timer shows 30 or 20 seconds left? Have some rounds like that is good but when the entire map is like, yup it's boring and exhausting. BO5 is the best format, just move from MR15 to MR12 and with less time per round.
2022-07-04 10:25
3 good competitive maps is more than enough, no need to add 2 more onesided maps to it, in theory a teams should play their best map, allow to pick a map that is ok with them and one decider that is ok for both
2022-07-04 10:27
if there is a tournament higher tier than major, similar to TIs, then i agree, why not
2022-07-04 10:32
#100
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Germany DragonD
Most BO5 also ends 3-0 because of mentality lack after 0-2, so a BO3 is simply better
2022-07-04 10:48
What if they split the BO5 in 2 days?
2022-07-04 10:50
#105
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United States burzeus
bo7 better
2022-07-04 11:53
1 reply
no!
2022-07-17 20:18
bo5 but games 4 and 5 are cache and cbbl
2022-07-04 12:14
best of 4 with overtime
2022-07-04 12:19
Bo5 is like 5 hours of csgo. As a spectator I get too bored of it. As a player I would lose concentration and interest in it. If u going to do a bo5 you got to do something like mr10 so each map isn’t 45 mins to an hour long. Mr15 has always been the standard but I reckon that’s from the bo1 days. Even a best of 3 is a bit long as a spectator. Look at games like quake that play many maps but each game is like 10 mins long
2022-07-04 12:26
3 replies
Did you know previously there were 5 rounds per side in OT ?
2022-07-07 11:39
2 replies
i did not but that makes the game even longer wow. if it was a BO1 then it could make sense to make it more even but still games must of been like 7 hours long
2022-07-07 22:50
1 reply
youtube.com/watch?v=_6NEtGJdFYw&t=5311s look at the score ;D looks so weird too, 25-20
2022-07-07 23:06
I would like to see a BO5 final one day where the format is pick-pick-ban-ban-pick-pick-remaining No more hiding behind permabans, get your 7 map pool up to scratch or give away a free map every time.
2022-07-04 12:33
bo9 better
2022-07-04 14:33
1 reply
Holy, how long would that be? 12 hours or something? On map 9 everyone is just throwing.
2022-07-07 04:29
do bo13 2days in a row
2022-07-04 14:42
think BO5 can work if you can end all maps (except decider) in a tie, so you have some control of the time it takes to be played
2022-07-04 14:48
#134
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
bo3 sometimes feels way too short when its a 2-0 sweep though
2022-07-04 16:55
#135
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Brazil FizzaNow
The final of the Major should be BO7. To see whos the best, they should play all the maps.
2022-07-04 17:00
that was during the online era where burnouts we're more prevalent during covid
2022-07-04 17:39
#141
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Sweden axelious
Yea agree. BO5 pointless and shit
2022-07-04 18:32
lazy players bo5 is awesome
2022-07-04 18:37
1 reply
+1
2022-07-05 17:22
Imagine play videogame 24/7 and can't deal with 5 game in a row in a GRANDFINAL TOURNAMENT AND U ARE OF THE 2 FINALIST. Bro, just wtf, u could be struggling at any factory losing your arm in a machine cuz uor boss told u to do faster. Just play this shit and chill
2022-07-04 23:20
It's not like bymas is going to make it into a final anyway dupreeh's tweet is from 2018, and the others from a year ago. Why post them now, because cologne has bo5 final? Shouldn't the players just, tweet it again if their reasoning hasn't changed?
2022-07-04 23:50
1 reply
#169
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Italy steven513
Lmaooo
2022-07-06 20:07
Bruh all tweets are 1+ years old
2022-07-04 23:53
3 replies
It's still valid!
2022-07-06 23:55
2 replies
irrelevant thread
2022-07-07 00:01
1 reply
No!
2022-07-07 08:51
Bo5 is boring unless its all u can eat and drink in the concession stands
2022-07-05 01:49
It is so hard for players, viewers can stop watching anytime but players are doomed
2022-07-05 02:01
To the people saying that with their salaries they shouldn't complain, have you actually played a final bo5? With all the pressure and trying to keep your level of performance for hours on end. It's tiring and boring as heck to watch can't imagine the players.
2022-07-05 02:14
#157
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India RycerZ
Here Cricket ODI matches are 7 hours long but almost everyone in India watches. CSGO Pros need to stop being crybabies when it comes to BO5. People will watch if they wanna watch. People who care about their teams and games will watch anyway.
2022-07-05 15:27
#159
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Barbados n1ss
agree bo5 is shit
2022-07-05 15:29
bo5 proves who is the better team and has more map knowledge than the other.
2022-07-05 15:30
In my opinion every final should be BO7
2022-07-05 17:19
Maybe if ur not fan of cs. I've always enjoyed bo5 finals. I'm not saying it should be format for every finals of every tournament but it should definitely be on major finals to decide the best team. And these spectators saying "it's too much" are just unable to manage their time, pathetic.
2022-07-05 17:24
#170
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Romania Ghostpawn
did someone remember the bo7 format?
2022-07-06 20:07
5 replies
That was the shit!!!!
2022-07-07 00:40
1 reply
2022-07-07 04:32
Have it ever existed? Can you link a match?,
2022-07-07 04:32
2 replies
2022-07-07 04:32
1 reply
Thx
2022-07-07 04:38
Then win 3-0
2022-07-07 00:08
#175
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Brazil hugoooo
I think only Major grand finals should be bo5 (so, twice per year only) Btw, let's never forget how a full bo7 feels: hltv.org/matches/2297249/mouz-vs-hellrai..
2022-07-07 00:21
Its the best final form /closed
2022-07-07 00:40
#179
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United Kingdom Leftie
BO5 should only be used for sorting out the winner of the really massive tournaments, else its just a bit much.
2022-07-07 00:49
agree
2022-07-07 00:57
#182
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Hungary szia
yeah its too damn long for the players and viewers. a bo5 series isnt interesting unless it goes all 5 maps, in which case it is far too fucking long, bc yeah, im not gonna carve 7 hours out of my day to watch a single match up. no other sport takes 7 hours for a single match.
2022-07-07 01:05
b05 but matches are first to 13 round wins with 1-1 sudden death overtimes shorter breaks in between matches and no breaks during overtime
2022-07-07 03:55
Bymas bot opinion not relevant
2022-07-07 04:30
#199
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Austria Grundz
The only thing shocking about this post is: Elige has friends?
2022-07-07 04:57
Play-ins should be bo3 short match concept instead of bo1 standard. Also bo5 grand final with short match concept. First to reach 9 wins the map. 4 rounds of OT instead of 6.
2022-07-07 05:19
So in CS, we have 1 dedicated day for the final of these bigger events. In dota2, the final day has 2 matches, a Bo3 to determine who's 3rd (the lower bracket final) and then a Bo5 Grand final. I love this format btw for The International. And for CS, the 1 match that's there on the final day, they complaint about it being too long or exhausting ? Like you have 1 fucking match to play in the day and you talk about that being too much/tiring/exhausting ? I know everybody's entitled to their opinion but the way some of these guys are voicing it out is a fucking joke. Especially Elige. Nobody's going to block 7 hours in a day to watch a series ? I mean sure the casual viewer may not. But CS fans would. And what about the people who travel to LANs to watch these events. I'd anyday prefer a Bo5 to a Bo3 if I go to one of the events. Bo5s show which teams have a better (or deeper) map pool, who's better prepared, who's ready for the long game and has the mental fortitude to keep going in a series which potentially stretches out to all 5 maps or at least 3 of the maps going the distance or in overtime. I'm glad that grand finals of some of the big events continue to be Bo5 - IEM Katowice, IEM Cologne, ESL Pro League, Blast World Finals. We just need the major to have a Bo5 grand final as well.
2022-07-07 09:02
While BO5 is best at determining which team is better, it is just too much. Insert meme: "Ain't nobody got time fo dat!"
2022-07-07 11:34
I'd be more inclined to hear the thoughts of ex-pros. Currently competing pros are more inclined to be biased if they have a weak map pool.
2022-07-17 20:21
People talking about 7 hours of playing a video game is too mentally and physically exhausting. 🙄
2022-07-17 20:25
#217
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
to know who is real champion you need bigger map pool not just 3 maps. mr12 would be better tho
2022-07-17 20:36
Most won't agree but I'd make every game bo5, with the new short format from valve (Best team to 9)
2022-07-17 20:43
Dota 2 Finals ( all tournaments) are BO5, if they can do it, you can do BO7 on csgo
2022-07-17 20:49
Ye its too boring
2022-07-17 20:50
I agree its horrendous for the players, but god I love spectating BO5s. Get to set aside a whole day, snacks and discord calls to watch with friends. Great viewing experience for me at least
2022-07-17 21:14
1 reply
based canadian
2022-07-17 21:48
Yeah bo5 are long but game 5 in a finals is one the best viewing experience + hype. Game 3 in a bo3 dont feel the same.
2022-07-17 21:45
4 people, must be the truth
2022-07-17 21:45
most bo5s end in 3 maps anyway so whatever it's cool to have both bo3s and bo5s for tournaments but ofc I feel like bo5s should be reserved for really meaningful big events like cologne and not some random season 999 pro league
2022-07-17 21:46
1 reply
+1, the 4 big ones of the year deserve to be a bo5, we get something special whenever one of these deliver
2022-07-17 21:47
i warned bo5 should never be played. this game lasts about 8 hours with the breaks, it's way too much for most players and viewers
2022-07-17 21:47
1 reply
then find another sport to watch if you dont have the attention span. bo5 proves whos the better team over bo3 because it requires more teamwork/strats and map knowledge.
2022-07-17 22:00
casuals dont like Bo5
2022-07-17 21:58
its not bad at all, it proves who has more knowledge of the game by playing more maps. reason why you see tier 3+ team beat tier 1 teams with just 1-3 maps sometimes but that would never happen on bo5.
2022-07-17 21:59
if the players dont like it, we shouldnt have it
2022-07-17 22:01
Well, I remember IEM Katowice final from 2018 (?) I think it was between fnatic and FaZe and it was over 9 hours I'm pretty sure, well that's to much to watch, and imagine playing this, in this case I agree tbh. I think it's a really hard debate but I would probably say that even the finals should be a BO3. We have to think about players to, if sometimes it's to much from us to watch just imagine how hard it is actually playing that.
2022-07-17 22:03
I wonder why lol players have no issue with this. they play bo 5 from quarters on
2022-07-17 22:06
bymas agreeing that bo5 sux even tho he is always the spectator LMAO
2022-07-17 22:07
#245
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Netherlands Mauu
Give me a BO7.. I wanna see teams on their perma bans
2022-07-17 22:08
imo for important lan tournaments bo5 is good the crowd didnt pay for 1 hour game of bo3 bruh
2022-07-17 22:09
bo3 is too short for a grand final and bo5 is too long go figure, i would still take bo5 over bo3. it just doesnt do justice for the better team if its bo3
2022-07-17 22:10
i agree with them too
2022-07-17 22:11
lul definitely not, another proof today
2022-07-17 22:51
BO5 is to appease the ticket buyers, imagine buying a ticket and the whole event is over in 2 hours lmao
2022-07-17 22:55
Another amazing bo5 finals
2022-07-17 23:07
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