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Stavn is a top 3 player
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS 
At worst top 5 I have said this since Dallas, rifler wise 1. Ax1Le 2. stavn I could see stavn overtaking ax1Le even My early frontrunners for top 4 1. S1mple 2. Ax1Le 3. stavn 4. Sh1ro
2022-07-06 01:00
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junior here: hold my beer
2022-07-06 01:01
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#5
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Stavn is a top 4 player At worst top 6 5. Sh1ro 4. stavn 3. Ax1Le 2. s1mple 1. junior
2022-07-06 01:02
no brain ?
2022-07-06 01:01
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#7
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
nt Spinx
2022-07-06 01:03
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he is fake flagger. he is arabic... I know him
2022-07-06 01:10
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#37
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
smh
2022-07-06 01:28
bro... arabic????????? wtf kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-07-06 02:27
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so what language
2022-07-06 02:29
1. sh1ro 2. s0mple (loser) 3. Ax1Le (GOAT) 4. NiKo (rio major winner)
2022-07-06 01:02
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#23
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Israel michnass
fnx_2_majors_niko_0_majors
2022-07-06 01:12
#4
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British Virgin Islands onsar
where is ropz, b1t and even spinx is better than him tbh
2022-07-06 01:02
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#6
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
No, no and no
2022-07-06 01:02
only b1t is better from the people you mentioned
2022-07-06 01:04
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#12
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
B1t has had strong major and post major performance but if you go by year round stavn is objectively ahead
2022-07-06 01:05
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i'm sorry but stavn could never get the 62.5%hs, valeriy is goated with the sauce
2022-07-06 01:09
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#21
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Ok top 3 riflers of all time 1. B1t 2. Scream 3. Twistzz Respect hs percentage as an indicator of best players
2022-07-06 01:11
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respect 😊
2022-07-06 01:12
name checks out
2022-07-06 01:15
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oh 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃
2022-07-06 01:16
spinx is not close to stavn by far the most overrated player in the scene rn
2022-07-06 01:18
ropz overrated af, spinx overrated af.
2022-07-06 01:20
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Based
2022-07-06 02:29
Lmao you trippin, this year not even close really
2022-07-06 01:27
why are u saying riflers and using shiro and simple
2022-07-06 01:04
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#10
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Is it not obvious that if the top 2 riflers I list are ax1le and stavn that the top 4 list is about top 4 players? Kinda like how it's mentioned in the thread title
2022-07-06 01:05
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well achievements and how the team does plays a big role too so unfortunately no top 5 for mr stavn
2022-07-06 01:06
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#14
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
That is true but I think with the jabbi change heroic actually has some competitive firepower with these other top teams . Previously they had the weakest top 5 firepower perhaps comparable or less than ENCE After Cologne, major people will know
2022-07-06 01:08
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Sure I won't deny that but with the season coming to an end you only really have cologne and then what, 4 months? in those 4 months you only have a handful of events which I'll give it to em they might win 1 but if competition stays the way it is and some teams recover i.e vita / G2 I think they'll just make it deeper in events but not by much not enough to heavily impact him as of this year, maybe 1 pos higher than with refrezh
2022-07-06 01:11
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#26
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Vitality has no hope of recovering with their current roster, G2 has a slim chance of returning to top 4 nevermind top 2/3 form The deal is stavns individual performance is just so ahead of alot of these other players. Ax1Le has some achievements and his raw stats are comparable so I put him above. Sh1ro low impact but monster stats and already better achievements also so he could go away. S1mple is a no brainer. Aside from them who can match stavn AND have accomplished more? I expect heroic to at least make top 4 placements for the rest of the events this year, if they manage that top 3 stavn should be undeniable. + He's super muscular, he's built like a tank
2022-07-06 01:14
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Yeah that's understandable but I just feel this year it's far more competative with FaZe and Navi on the top tier with teams below that can muster up an upset like ENCE, C9, on the odd occasion vita or g2 or nip. Well that and the stand-in buff this year lmao maybe liquid just win cologne, but yeh zywoo n niko have definantly dropped this year but if you look at both of their stats their still insane so imo they're not out of the picture and considering how dominant faze was, I'd like to think broky could get up there considering his stats are the top of faze and he the achievements, no bias ;) maybe even spinx could come up in the convo but his stats are kinda low for top 5 I'm not all too sure but I still think Zywoo, Niko, Spinx, broky, thats pretty much your top 10 right there but the order is hella confusing
2022-07-06 01:22
Vitality jajajajaja
2022-07-06 01:16
if heroic gets semis+ i think we can discuss his top5, specially if he's on top , when hes on his form heroic are a different beast
2022-07-06 01:09
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#18
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Yep unfortunately heroic have never had the strongest individual players excluding stavn it's a one man show. But the team chemistry is the best in the world. They can do some real damage in the second half of the year
2022-07-06 01:10
BlameF Ax1le S1mple NiKo Electronic All better rifle than stavn
2022-07-06 01:05
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#15
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
No, yes, not a rifler, no, definitely no
2022-07-06 01:08
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niKo > stavn
2022-07-06 01:12
niko trash, electronic badthis year, ax1le good, blamef exit fragger. Stfu
2022-07-06 01:21
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NiKo and BlameF are statistically and eye test wise much better than Stavn. Electronic is a star rifle and does the job of entry/igl which makes him much more valuable to a team.
2022-07-06 02:22
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my guy said blamef and eye test in the same sentence lol
2022-07-06 13:44
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It’s true, no matter how much you cry about him baiting
2022-07-06 13:45
Right now its hard for me to put him up there next to niko as a truly superstar rifler But man.. he is great. I see potential in him. Give him a bit more time and I'm sure he will be in hltv top 5 soon enough Today he really showed everyone how good he can be
2022-07-06 01:14
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Let me expand If we go by HLTV top 2021 and remove AWPers, here is the list 1 NiKo 2 Ax1Le⁠ 3 HObbit 4 electroNic 5 YEKINDAR 6 b1t⁠ 7 huNter 8 blameF 9 NAF 10 KSCERATO 11 stavn 12 Twistzz 13 ropz 14 EliGE I for sure think he deserve a spot in the "top 10" now, but so does ropz and twistzz after their massive year
2022-07-06 01:29
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And unfortunately guys like baitf will be there to steal a spot, even though we all know he doesn't pass "the eye test"..
2022-07-06 01:41
Very low hs percentage for a professional rifler. His team sets him up perfectly.
2022-07-06 01:15
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its not his team setting him up its just that he holds good off angles/pushes at the right times, his hs% would also be way higher if a1s got nerfed but body tapping is simply too good so why not use it
2022-07-06 01:22
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"his hs% would also be way higher if a1s got nerfed but body tapping is simply too good so why not use it" His career hs% is 42.9% His hs% in 2022 is 37.6% Not sure I would consider a 5.3% jump as being "way higher"
2022-07-06 01:30
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okay, low hs%, so how does this make him bad? Read through the whole of #34 instead of cherry picking please
2022-07-06 13:45
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"so how does this make him bad?" I never said anything about him being good or bad. My comment was just some input on a statement you made. Hope you have a great day, -- Kind American
2022-07-06 16:43
REZ better
2022-07-06 01:33
there's like 15 better riflers than st0vn infamous group stage warrior
2022-07-06 01:34
#44
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Faroe Islands v_v
sh1ro owns s0mple
2022-07-06 02:23
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2022-07-06 02:40
absolutely not lmao, him being a top3 RIFLER is true though 1. s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. ax1le 4. NiKo 5. stavn
2022-07-06 02:39
#50
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Austria Grundz
Why do people always forget about achievements in player rankings? Heroic won pinnacle cup and an RMR group after reshuffle. Pinnacle cup was vs new Astralis and a bunch of NA bots. If you think those are achievements that will surpass players with better or equal stats who have won a major or tier 1 LAN this year, idk what to say. With no MVP -- since Blame got MVP at Pinnacle -- top 3 is out of the question. If heroic actually win some events and Stavn picks up an MVP, maybe...but a lot of players come alive after player break.
2022-07-06 02:51
in Heroic yes
2022-07-06 13:45
Yeah, top3 in heroic. ropz, b1t, NiKo are all better than him, plus his HS percentage it's really low for a "top3 rifler"
2022-07-06 13:49
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#57
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Turkey orionski
Ropz overrated
2022-07-06 16:47
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