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torzsi | 
Indonesia sembodo 
- no progress for months - no awp for zywoo, wat doink?
2022-07-06 17:37
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#1
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Czech Republic Devidee
magisk IGL fock off apex get entryfragger ez
2022-07-06 17:38
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#34
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Czech Republic Evis1337
kick the 2nd most consistent player who's also calling ICANT
2022-07-06 17:50
6 replies
apex and consistency do not go in the same sentence, he's a guy playing almost all star positions and is barely average , has 2 good tournament runs a year.
2022-07-06 17:53
consistent 0.95 consistently losing to me it looks like he's bad in both aiming and calling shouldve been kicked long time ago
2022-07-06 17:54
consistent ? lmao consistently bad yes
2022-07-06 17:54
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he provides some stability in that kind of sense
2022-07-06 19:40
consistantly trash yes
2022-07-06 18:03
#73
jks | 
Denmark rolade
consistantly malding yes.
2022-07-07 16:28
their IGL is one of the worst players of all time. it can't work. it's impossible.
2022-07-06 17:39
15 replies
not really. I think the decision to go international was the worst decision ever. just -kyojin +any decent player and they should be good to go.
2022-07-06 17:40
1 reply
Agreed. French squad turned into half international will never work
2022-07-07 09:50
apex igl with xtqzz and kyojin in team -> vitality top 2/3 over the year apex igl with zonic and danish duo -> Vitality barely top 10 so far
2022-07-06 17:41
12 replies
+1
2022-07-06 17:42
not over the year at all. they went crazy when they knew the team was dead, but before that they were G2 levels of inconsistent. Also, look at their competition in those months. Navi was the only legit contender, Gambit couldn't play on LAN, same with Heroic. NIP changed players, G2 was a one-man team. Vitality massively overperformed, the best dead team ever, but to say they would still be relevant after every other team leveled up is delusional
2022-07-06 17:46
3 replies
hltv.org/news/33041/top-10-teams-of-2021 sure they did, but they averaged out as 3rd throughout the year
2022-07-06 17:47
2 replies
the ranking progression doesn't show it, but they were massively inconsistent. They picked it up, but they still fell off twice that year. one when no more 6 man roster and again when rpk left
2022-07-06 17:50
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of course they were, but ranking is ranking and an average still represents success over a period. would you rather have a consistent team going to quarters all the time or a team which wins events while bombing every once in a while? I know which one I'd prefer consistent team : G2, I'd consider them a failure despite consistently making it to playoffs, especially with that roster.
2022-07-06 17:54
#26
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Czech Republic JameS_19
By hltv rankings they are maybe top 10, but we all know they don’t have real chance against real top 10 teams
2022-07-06 17:47
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but somehow won trophies with said teams in them? I don't get your point. If these others teams were so much better, they would have better results
2022-07-06 17:48
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#51
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Czech Republic JameS_19
I meant it that last year they were consistent good team, especially in the end of the year. This year their ranking maybe isn’t as bad, but in so many events they went out in first round without even having a chance. Sure, they maybe had one good event this year, but in the other events they were just terrible, their ranking doesn’t say the full story.
2022-07-06 18:01
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Oh my apologies, I thought you were talking about last year ! Indeed this year they have been mediocre for what they were brought it to do. It’s a sad state of affairs and if they don’t get to at least semis in Cologne now, there will 100% be changes made. Neo is probably already looking into it.
2022-07-07 09:44
that wasn't on LAN. it was the online stream sniping bs covid era when coaches were allowed to give input nonstop or cheated in the first place. just compare BIG online vs BIG on LAN. Why is it that they are so much worse on LAN? Because coaches can't speak nonstop and basically call for the team.
2022-07-06 17:50
2 replies
???? end of 2021 is only lans amigo edit: Kyojin was not there during online era. the 2020 performance is an entirely different subject. plus streamsniping ? come on, if you think apex is the kind of player to cheat, you are making a mistake :D that being said I'm willing to say we can disregard their performances at that time. That's why I'm exclusively talking about 2021
2022-07-06 17:52
#53
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Czech Republic Evis1337
just proved you are a hater. cheating accusations lol, so stupid
2022-07-06 19:39
- zonic - dupreeh - magisk + french
2022-07-06 17:39
9 replies
like who
2022-07-06 17:55
8 replies
i sure they can find something among HEET and falcons players
2022-07-06 17:57
7 replies
meh, same old faces
2022-07-06 17:59
6 replies
#57
RpK | 
France Snabe_
djoko afroo keoz python even maka and kyojin "old faces" ??????
2022-07-06 19:43
5 replies
yes? no one of them is a new face for the scene lol half of who you mentioned played for DBL Poney, Kyojin even played for Vitality even Python is known by everyone due to his huge forehead (no offense to Python) no one of them looks promising
2022-07-06 23:36
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#66
RpK | 
France Snabe_
Being pro/semi-pro for less than 3years doesn't change the fact that they are the new faces of the french scene
2022-07-07 00:43
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you just picked a number out of nowhere so it would feet your statement lol i can do the same Being pro/semi-pro for less than 3years doesn't change the fact that they are the old faces of the french scene 3 years is a lot 3 years ago liquid was top 1, ence was top 4 and had a finnish squad with aleksib, NRG was top 5!!! 3 years = old faces
2022-07-07 16:25
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#75
RpK | 
France Snabe_
I know that you have a problem with diagnosing ADHD to everyone in NA, but 3 years even in CS is not a lot. 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
2022-07-07 16:29
1 reply
lol again, it's just your opinion, based on nothing i have somehow proved my point that 3 years is a lot you did not glhf
2022-07-07 16:41
zonic needs gla1ve just as much gla1ve needs zonic.
2022-07-06 17:39
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#12
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United States kami917
lol no
2022-07-06 17:41
2 replies
+1 Yeah, gla1ve doesn't need him, he only needs to get rid of xyp9x.
2022-07-06 17:44
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#24
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United States kami917
neither need each other.
2022-07-06 17:46
#62
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France Guilsz_
works for apex and XTQZZZ too
2022-07-06 20:14
Their calling is so shit.
2022-07-06 17:39
#6
dumau | 
Brazil veinnN
Just get XTQZZZ back, he knows how to work with ZywOo
2022-07-06 17:39
4 replies
#11
ZywOo | 
France Yougz
He was the best coach to work with Apex as an IGL & Zywoo Vitality CEO saying "I want to see Zywoo out of his comfort zone with a new coach to make him better" HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN CHALLENGING THE GOAT WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE
2022-07-06 17:41
3 replies
+1
2022-07-06 17:52
#59
RpK | 
France Snabe_
neo ruined the team. This video youtube.com/watch?v=5LEye1TZx_s was the point I understood he doesn't know how to handle a csgo team, and seems to be matrixed by money. Respected him before but from my pov not anymore.
2022-07-06 19:44
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#60
ZywOo | 
France Yougz
mdrrrrr "seems to be matrixed" tu m'as flingué
2022-07-06 19:54
When their igl can’t call for shit and is playing star rifle roles
2022-07-06 17:39
I always thought it was funny that people say Gla1ve is nothing without zonic as if zonic had every accomplished anything without Gla1ve either
2022-07-06 17:40
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#16
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United States kami917
zonic is taking on an exponentially harder task than gla1ve. 3 players swapping from French to english, the IGL not really being an IGL, and trying to incorporate new systems and get the comms to a place where they work.
2022-07-06 17:43
5 replies
Ok but he still has not had success outside of his time with Gla1ve. I’m not saying he’s a bad coach, but he hasn’t proven anything without Gla1ve regardless of how difficult his task is
2022-07-06 17:47
LMAO Stop worshipping zonic, after leaving astralis he's nothing but average. HLTV gives all credit to him when he can't do shit with his 2 old team members and freaking prodigy Zywoo. Meanwhile gla1ve has to to work average and inconsistent pieces and washed up xyp9x. And its not exponentially hard, please.
2022-07-06 17:51
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#36
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United States kami917
you're a fucking idiot dude
2022-07-06 17:51
2 replies
Yeah, if you say so. Kami
2022-07-06 17:52
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#47
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United States kami917
I do say so, you are comparing apples to oranges. It is definitely EXPONENTIALLY harder to try and get 5 guys who both speak different native languages to speak one common foreign language quickly while also trying to focus on their individual game.
2022-07-06 17:57
#56
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Czech Republic Evis1337
zonic has been a legend since like 2006 lol, what are you smoking? literally won equivalents of majors in 1.6 and you say he accomplished nothing without gla1ve xdd
2022-07-06 19:42
3 replies
He did this as coach?
2022-07-06 20:13
2 replies
#63
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Czech Republic Evis1337
irrelevant, you didn't specify he didn't accomplish anything <as a coach>. he did accomplish things in this game even without astralis. also, he never coached any other team but astralis pretty much, so how could he possibly have achievements in other teams?
2022-07-06 20:21
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Only his time as a coach is relevant when discussing his accomplishments with Gla1ve. They never played together so obviously there’s nothing to talk about with that. I don’t care about what he did as a player because when people talk about what he brought to astralis, they aren’t talking about that And that’s my point, we don’t know. But people talk about zonic as if he has achieved a lot as a coach without Gla1ve, and he hasn’t. Neither one has achieved anything (zonic as a coach, Gla1ve as a player) without the other so saying things like “Gla1ve would be nothing without zonic” is dumb because there is just as much proof that zonic would be nothing (as a coach) without Gla1ve
2022-07-06 20:33
haha when are people realizing that coaches cant aim for his players, 80% of cs is aiming, and if you just cant out duel people, you cant win. Coaches arent gods that can aim for their players lol
2022-07-06 17:42
Its not Zonics fault. He is part of the problem BUT clearly Vitality needs a new IGL.
2022-07-06 17:42
1 reply
Oh right that is gonna help so much to change a player that Zywoo played for several years already surely that wont make him even worse.
2022-07-06 17:46
#17
NAF | 
Canada xyzoo
just prrofs that glaive was the mastermind and this guy was just standing behind screaming lmao
2022-07-06 17:43
2 replies
+1 for first part -1 for second part
2022-07-06 17:45
I mean Glaive is also not delivering results
2022-07-06 17:47
All the french players are playing way below their average, French and Danes don't mix way too much of a culture gap, this team is a "straight upgrade" it just proves international teams are unstable as fuck always will be.
2022-07-06 17:44
People who propose changes i think don't understand that the game by itself from Vitality is lacking synchronization and players just being 50/50 how they wanna approach the game which puts their players in bad spots. The best way is just to run it all over again or just make zywoo setup in a way where he plays alone sometimes certain bombsites with all space to work with and sometimes he plays with apex. It looks like chemistry is good they don't have malding problems, what seems is just everything is out of place and then players start missing critical shots
2022-07-06 17:47
But GREAT coaches adjust the game style depending how igl calls and what kind of players the team has available.
2022-07-06 17:48
3 replies
A coach can only tell the players what to do and he's powerless if they won't listen or improve. How do you wanna rate a coach if you don't know what's going on? Do you think he tells them "pls play that 4 vs 2 as stupid as possible"?
2022-07-06 17:52
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When Astralis at Top for 2 years, wow Zonic GOAT, Astralis is nothing without him, Gla1ve is nothing without him. When Vitality play like trash even after having zywoo, Guys ItS nOt ZoNiC's fault. Team is just bad and also, Zywoo is not carrying.
2022-07-06 17:55
There are orgs where coach has the final say how to move forward or at least suggest to management if team needs new player/players for example. Also when coach has most to say how to go forward, it also removes pressure from igl and he can concentrate more how to improve team's game.
2022-07-06 17:56
the astrality union basically screwed everyone except those that were supposed to be beaten by them (navi). dupreeh and magisk are decent at best, zywoo is top10 at best, apex is malding like he did before and misuuta is just there.
2022-07-06 17:58
#54
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United States SMOKEBREAK
Hltv users be like -zonic Same hltv users "Junior goat!" Clowns
2022-07-06 19:40
+1 lmfao He's literally making 2nd device LOL R u fucking dumb mr.zonic, zywoo>>>>>>>>>>>>device individually, give him fucking freedom
2022-07-06 19:43
1 reply
malek would probably use zywoo better
2022-07-07 09:45
+1
2022-07-07 09:44
there is not much zonic can do, if the french players are not delivering including Zywoo, placing 3rd in erms of rating against sprout - it must simply not happen
2022-07-07 09:50
#74
REZ | 
Trinidad and Tobago r41
weird take
2022-07-07 16:29
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