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NiKo | 
Czech Republic Mr_Toby 
Group A much harder??
2022-07-06 23:02
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for sure
2022-07-06 23:02
Group A harder but seeding is fine imo
2022-07-06 23:03
FaZe always getting the easiest opponent
2022-07-06 23:05
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Japan KuroX
Always? Hmm
2022-07-06 23:09
10 replies
Blast Lisbon: first match against pain Dallas: First match against Encore And yes, I understand they are #1 team so they will get "the worst opponent". But now for example ENCE #3 getting Vitality and then maybe G2. The first opponent matters a lot, because if u win it u are already one win away from the playoffs. If u lose the first match, u will start ur dream run from lower bracket which is really deadly. The loser of Vitality/ENCE will be in a tough spot.
2022-07-06 23:25
9 replies
You talking about first match. What about EPL that they had to go through navi and c9 to get to finals? Surely clueless. Same for katowice. They had to go against navi, gambit, heroic. Surely clueless. What about blast? They had to go against g2, navi. Surely clueless. What about major? They had to beat, navi, spirit ( which had insane form at the major ), cloud9 and go against vitality and ence. Surely clueless. Imagine thinking the first match defines your road to the finals.
2022-07-06 23:29
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Imagine speaking about playoffs ;D a bit different thing in Cologne groups with 16 teams than in playoffs with 6 or 8 teams. Ofc u will face the biggest names there. And btw that katowice navi wasnt even an elimination game, It decided who went straight to semis. But ofc it was an important match still, like an "extra quarterfinal chance" And yeah I obviously spoke about the first match, because it is really important in this bracket, because u dont want to get into that lower bracket where u have to beat 3 teams. If u win the first one, u are already one win away from the playoffs like I said. But yeah that seeding got fucked because Vitality and Astralis got into the lower bracket, so they had a lower seeding.
2022-07-07 09:55
lmao are u stupid ofc good teams in play offs
2022-07-07 11:51
#18
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Hungary TheBudi34
+1
2022-07-06 23:30
#19
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Argentina Joedash
That's called seeding. stop crying, since NaVi always had the easiest matches last year.
2022-07-06 23:34
4 replies
Ok, but why is ENCE playing vs Vitality for example. (If u just watch the rankings). And there cant be those rules that play-in teams cant play against each other again in the first matches, because movistar and vitality are in the same bracket. And yeah, I will stop crying because Navi had some cool matches last year.
2022-07-06 23:42
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#29
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Argentina Joedash
Dunno. I don't like the seeding either cause I want to see how faze looks against really good teams and not against a spirit without degster or having to play against 00nation(which has try, and I want him to succeed, not get destroyed by FaZe). But what else can you do? Either way G2 isn't looking good, so Group A isn't as stacked as people think IMO(but it is harder than group B for sure).
2022-07-07 01:23
#23
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Lithuania ZezzyCS
Nice seeding, mouz higher then 00 but got navi
2022-07-06 23:49
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#30
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Argentina Joedash
Yeh well, it rlly sucks, 00nation has to play against FaZe which Imo isn't fair but whatever.
2022-07-07 01:23
#4
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United States Mattador424
Depends on if furia can bounce back and if liquid are better with Yekindar. But yeah, at first glance A looks stacked. How were they chosen again?
2022-07-06 23:06
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#7
NiKo | 
Czech Republic Mr_Toby
I don't know men
2022-07-06 23:08
Group a more stacked= better matches to watch
2022-07-06 23:07
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#6
NiKo | 
Czech Republic Mr_Toby
Haha true
2022-07-06 23:08
But less possibilities for Movistar
2022-07-06 23:11
3 replies
sadly yes :/ wanted to see them win more. but hey anything is possible these days
2022-07-06 23:14
I am a G2 fan, but I have a bad feeling about that game.
2022-07-07 10:04
1 reply
Even if they end up beating G2 which I don't think will happen, they will have to play against the winner of ENCE/Vitality to get to the playoffs or they will end up in the loser bracket were it will be even harder
2022-07-07 10:38
#13
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England pumk1n1
NAVI, NIP, Heroic, G2, ENCE, Vitality in group A and only 3 of them make playoffs and i think NAVI is basically untouchable and certainly not losing 2 matches, so thats 2 spots for the remaining 5
2022-07-06 23:26
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#14
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Europe Amne_cs
Don't disrespect us.
2022-07-06 23:29
3 replies
I don't think he is. He's mainly talking about CS:GO big names. Chill out
2022-07-06 23:30
#24
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England pumk1n1
was just naming all the big name teams which are expected to do well and have had lots of money spent on them. Movistar arent really expected to do well, and their side of the bracket is all top 6 teams
2022-07-07 00:16
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#51
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Europe Amne_cs
This aged well.
2022-07-07 18:41
Don't forget that movistar has momentum from winning previous tournament.
2022-07-06 23:30
Who the fuck cares about Botality lol
2022-07-06 23:35
Yea, group A is way harder than B
2022-07-06 23:29
#22
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Spain Nagardien
Not sure how they did the seedimg but yeah Group A looks more stacked
2022-07-06 23:42
1 reply
I will explain you the seeding. They say let's give our favorite team FaZe the easiest opponents and don't care about others.
2022-07-07 00:21
FaZe must be HLTV's favorite team for sure. I made a thread saying that they are lucky and that organizers always help them by giving them the easiest and weakest opponents and HLTV deleted my thread. I guess they don't wanna hear that their favorite team is lucky and get the easiest opponents every single time.
2022-07-07 00:19
5 replies
Yeah haha, I wrote on that thread. I had a talk with someone there and I wrote my answer about five minutes and then when I finally finished it there was the legendary text "This thread has been deleted" or something like this ;D
2022-07-07 09:47
I mean IEM and esl events are organized by esl and their own ranking so seeding is based on that thats why Navi is playing mouz and Faze is playing 00nation though It was always like that
2022-07-07 10:15
3 replies
OK then let's say that because of the seeding they get the weakest opoonets. What about groups then ? Group A has NaVi , G2 , ENCE , Vitality , Heroic , NiP. Group B has FaZe & Cloud9 Nice balance omegalul
2022-07-07 11:31
2 replies
I mean I also dont understand those groups seeding :D its just I love when people argue that when best teams get the easiest opponents when it was almost always like this
2022-07-07 11:35
1 reply
Actually they must think to do draws like it happens on Champions League with capacity groups. You put on 1st group : NaVi , FaZe , Cloud9 , Heroic , ENCE , Vitality , G2 , NiP . You put on 2nd group : MOUZ , Movistar , 00nation , Liquid , Spirit , Outsiders , FURIA , Astralis. And then you make a lucky draw picking 4 teams from 1st Group and 4 teams from 2nd Group and you make the Group A. The rest goes to Group B. Finally you have 2 balanced Groups and everyone is happy.
2022-07-07 11:46
#27
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Aruba defoliant
not much but harder.
2022-07-07 00:25
7 replies
A group is much much harder. Not just harder
2022-07-07 00:28
1 reply
#33
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Aruba defoliant
not much but harder
2022-07-07 02:03
much harder, stop the bullshit
2022-07-07 01:36
4 replies
#34
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Aruba defoliant
not much but harder
2022-07-07 02:03
3 replies
NaVi > FaZe MOUZ = 00nation NIP > Liquid Heroic > Spirit G2 < Cloud9 Movistar Riders > Outsiders ENCE > FURIA Vitality > Astralis
2022-07-07 10:21
2 replies
#41
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Aruba defoliant
you are delusional af but ok
2022-07-07 10:50
1 reply
lmao and your cs knowledge is shit :D
2022-07-07 11:31
Group B is harder what u smoking
2022-07-07 01:29
4 replies
I r8 b8 0/8
2022-07-07 11:35
3 replies
In Group A only good teams are NaVi, Heroic, G2(?), ENCE Group B: FaZe, Spirit, C9, Outsiders, FURIA
2022-07-07 12:04
2 replies
So Vitality isn't good but Spirit without degster are good ? FURIA ? Didnt you watch their last couple of matches ? They lost 2 times from fucking 9z , then lost to Sprout and finally from 00nation. Group B is only FaZe & Cloud9. Outsiders don't have YEKINDAR anymore and they are #16 on HLTV ranking. They only farm wins against tier2 teams. Their last tournament ESL Valencia they won 00nation , Sprout , Rare Atom , Imperial , lost from Movistar. Their only good result was beating BIG.
2022-07-07 12:16
1 reply
nvm only good teams are ENCE and NAVI In semi finals we will probably see FaZe C9 NAVI ENCE
2022-07-07 15:25
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