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Estonia oOFusioNOo 
Why is it such a big deal can someone explain? She is 82 years old speaker of Senate in US Have USA never travelled to Taiwan before or why all the fuss now from China? I read that there is a housing crisis in China for gov trying to deter attention to outside of country for citizens Interested in some TLDRs from ppl here Thanks
2022-08-02 10:57
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over 200k ppl checking flight radar and monitoring the flight*
2022-08-02 10:57
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TLDR: Authoritarian dictatorship China won't let democracy visit other democracy. And they did nothing, as expected. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_wa..
2022-08-03 09:19
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#140
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Poland throwing
So they said that USA cant officially visit Taiwan "or smth gonna happen" and they just did?
2022-08-03 15:54
6 replies
Yeah empty threats. Nuclear powers don't engage eachother.
2022-08-03 15:56
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#169
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United States R700
Problem is, considering the modern technology of hypersonic missiles- the idea of the M.A.D. doctrine no longer applies. If China launched a hypersonic missile at us right now we would not be able to detect it in time to stop it, nor do we have the technology to stop it. Visa-versa for us as well. I agree that it doesn't make sense to actually escalate into a war, and China is too scared to engage us. But... the technology is there for China to totally wipe us off the map with no immediate consequence, if it was their prerogative to do so, and same for us to them. That is the scary part. Not the probability that it will it happen, but the fact that it exists as an option at all is the concerning part.
2022-08-03 20:37
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leaking us government secrets on hltv china is supposed to think you can defend yourselves cya in [redacted]
2022-08-04 00:28
>You said MAD doesn't exist >Literally describes MAD Dude, all nuclear countries, especially America, have hypersonic atmospheric nuclear missiles with like 5 dummy heads in each that are impossible to block, not to mention submarines, etc. MAD will always exist.
2022-08-04 01:09
2 replies
its not MAD because the country being initially aggressed upon has no chance to retaliate before being wiped off the earth
2022-08-04 07:05
1 reply
Again, they've got submarines stationed. Bases everywhere. There will be retaliation regardless.
2022-08-04 20:55
+1
2022-08-03 23:05
based russia
2022-08-04 00:20
Someone flew over chipset's nest
2022-08-02 11:00
1 reply
Aren't those chips used worldwide, why would US visiting it be a problem
2022-08-02 11:02
i believe in one chyna
2022-08-02 11:02
#6
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Finland Khroni
China wants Taiwan and wants to isolate them as much as possible from allies so they can just sail over and take it Deterring ally visitors is probably supposed to achieve this, its just perfect timing for them that they can use it to sweep their current issues away temporarily and ramp up anti-US anti-Taiwan sentiment
2022-08-02 11:02
20 replies
thank you sir, I hope nothing serious will happen, but I am worried that eventually it might happen :/ I want peace bro
2022-08-02 11:04
19 replies
very noble of you are you also into ending world poverty?
2022-08-02 11:05
17 replies
thank you sir, I wouldn't mind ending world poverty but its impossible as some people don't even want to work and just get money
2022-08-02 11:07
16 replies
Yes but wouldn't you agree that eating is a basic human right and that everyone should have access to food, whether or not they have a job
2022-08-02 14:03
15 replies
industrial revolution made it possible for the population to grow this big but it never meant everyone is supposed to have same abilities/priviliges/whatever theres not a single reasonable argument behind why someone from random middle of nowhere in africa which produces nothing to the world deserves the same "right" as us in the civilized part of the world in fact lmao its quite the opposite if anything they just demand more and more resources from us instead of dealing with it on their own
2022-08-02 14:09
12 replies
"theres not a single reasonable argument behind why someone from random middle of nowhere in africa which produces nothing to the world deserves the same "right" as us in the civilized part of the world" If you think that someone who was born into poverty and is a completely innocent soul, doesn't deserve to have enough food and water to survive... Then I'm not even sure what to say to you. That's just disgusting. -- Based American
2022-08-03 03:25
11 replies
life isnt fair and its not supposed to be welcome to the reality
2022-08-03 03:41
9 replies
I'm aware of the reality. I never said life is or should be "fair". All I said was you are disgusting if you think people actually *deserve* to die from malnutrition simply because they were born into a life where all they experience is sickness, poverty, and pain. That's a fucked up mindset no matter whether or not you think "life isn't supposed to be fair". There is a difference between believing in "life being fair" for everyone, and believing in basic human rights. -- Average American
2022-08-03 03:44
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having a right doesnt mean it has to be fulfilled at a cost for someone else
2022-08-03 10:13
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When did I ever say that those basic rights needed to be fulfilled at the cost of others? I was simply saying that your original claims were pretty barbaric. Like you said, life isn't fair. I agree with you on that. I was just saying that nobody deserves to be born into illness, poverty, and a slow painful death from lack of nutrition. -- Based American
2022-08-03 17:54
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well, theres no such thing someone has to have worse conditions than others, we dont live in utopia. and its not like they dont have the rights u mentioned, in theory they do. they just dont have the means to use them
2022-08-03 18:07
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"well, theres no such thing" Maybe you should do some research on the life in various places around the world who are less fortunate than yourself before you make such ignorant statements. -- Reasonable American
2022-08-03 20:22
#158
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Finland siloquez
I think he just means that they haven't done anything to improve their own situation, when they basically can just pick fruit from trees unlike we here in north where it's cold, and yet they haven't invented anything or even developed their own shit to sustain life. That being said, I do know that the "aid" programs are in place to keep the situation as is to exploit their natural resources in Africa.
2022-08-03 18:03
3 replies
"I think he just means that they haven't done anything to improve their own situation, when they basically can just pick fruit from trees unlike we here in north where it's cold, and yet they haven't invented anything or even developed their own shit to sustain life." Unfortunately it's not that simple. Look at areas of India for example. Most poor families have been able to sustain life for generations by farming. But now due to a combination of population growth along with globalization, the soil is no longer as fertile and nutrient rich as it was before. Droughts + irrigation techniques has killed the soil, and thus it is required for farmers to use fertilizers in order to grow crops on the same soil that was fertile enough to sustain crop growth for generations up until now. These fertilizers are so expensive that these same families are forced to either sell their land to companies owned by investors from first world countries, or they can take the alternative route that is becoming much more common. Suicide. Some places in India are so poor to the point where it is common for individuals to use a recipe where they make dirt into pies. They eat this dirt as a remedy to try and stop the hunger pains that they endure on a daily basis. TLDR: Some individuals aren't born into fortunate enough situations where they can just pick fruit from trees to survive. -- Uneducated American
2022-08-03 20:30
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#164
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Finland siloquez
Yeah I wasn't really talking about that but it's too bad that some profiteering ppl are taking advantage of the world right now, like for example the fertilizers you were talking about.
2022-08-03 20:32
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Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some areas of the world where individuals are simply not motivated enough or find other excuses as to why they "can't survive", when in reality they have a way out of their situation and CAN survive, but choose to complain instead. But then there are other places where they legitimately don't have a simple and straightforward solution to their living situation and it is often times no fault of their own. Over the past few decades, India has gone from suffering from many illnesses that would cause a high child mortality rate. Then they got access to better medicine and childcare, and instead they are now being taken advantage of by the greedy upper class of outside countries and are forced into some of the worst living conditions imaginable with no actual way out other than a slow, painful death. You know it's bad when fathers of families are so ashamed of their situation that they are using the last bit of liquid fertilizer that they can afford to commit suicide with so that they no longer have to feel the guilt of coming home everyday and watching their family starve to death. -- Sad American
2022-08-03 20:37
also beside the point but nothing is stopping them from at least trying to develop instead all they do is bunch of civil wars everywhere + exploiting their own people + addiction to the charities
2022-08-03 03:43
also we dont live in communism, someone has to pay for that food anyway. salaries for those who produce it, costs of growing the food, processing it, transport etc. why in the hell should it be a charity and given away to those who cant get minimum wage job if they are so hungry
2022-08-02 14:10
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#96
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India nxitik
+1 i never understood the policy of free things for people who are ready to do nothing
2022-08-02 14:53
#18
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Finland Khroni
Generally speaking China doesnt get directly involved in wars but they do flex on their borders at times and fund proxy wars in Africa But Taiwan is different because of their history, but it would be hard for them to take, especially as their military equipment is Ctrl C/V of Russian equipment that is getting dogged on in Ukraine already They also are unlikely to just pay off politicians and walk in like they did HK Its unlikely anything will happen off of it other than some tit-for-tat trade bans or something
2022-08-02 11:49
cuz ppl are stupid and clueless about how the world works
2022-08-02 11:02
3 replies
tell me how it works so I can understand
2022-08-02 11:04
2 replies
#17
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Lithuania marusgg
pretty easy to understand bro - Chinese grinders want to take Taiwan - US official wants to come to Taiwan and by coming it gives more independence to Taiwan - China does not want it - ??? - Just order something nice today and enjoy the day but imo nothing gonna happen, economic war at most probably
2022-08-02 11:13
1 reply
thank you sir I loved your fourth point with "???"))
2022-08-02 12:35
USA is can not handle China, thats for sure
2022-08-02 11:06
5 replies
you think eventually they are bound to clash?
2022-08-02 11:07
In a war, US could probably handle China, also just look at military budgets. But this war would be so bad for the World, so it Will not happen.
2022-08-02 12:15
3 replies
They couldn't even handle Vietnam mens. No chance in actual war vs China. That's why they need nukes, their ground troops basically harmless, especially when you look at population numbers. Not to mention every military exercise they had with Sweden they lost. In winter landscapes, submarine vs US convoy and even in the air they lose to our fighter jets.
2022-08-03 23:36
2 replies
i most say LOL. - this term is only uses by me when im actually laughing. Vietnam war wasnt against US in 2022. And also Sweden has 0 proven records - US is the country with most proven records by the military. They have 3x tier1 units, most of any country on earth. US airforce is the best biggest and best in this field - the second best airforce in the world is US Navy.. They have direct units who only train for winter landscapes, jungle landscapes, etc - because of the big budget, they can cross train every unit to do so. Ofc, they can lose in a exercise, also i dont think Sweden is training with their tier1 units. I dont care about exercise - i care about proven records, and what you do in training has nothing to do with real war. China would only stand a chance if the war is on their mainland. China would only be able to defend them self - they wont be able to handle a full scale attack of the US, outside the mainland.
2022-08-04 08:42
Also - look here: scmp.com/news/china/military/article/314.. in a war vs China: Groundforce = US Airpower = US Naval power= US Nuclear warheads: US = China wont stand any real chance.
2022-08-04 08:48
The Speaker is (technically) the 3rd most powerful politician in the U.S. Government, so a visit to Taiwan could be perceived as legitimizing their stance as an independent state from China. (Similar to how many notable American officials have not visited Palestine, and why it was such a big deal that the U.S. embassy in Israel was moved to Jerusalem) Should it matter that much? No probably not.
2022-08-02 11:11
7 replies
thanks for explaining. No politician from high ranks ever visited Taiwan? No way
2022-08-02 11:56
You said that Nency is "technically" the 3rd most powerful US politician, so who is "actually" the 3rd person in the country?
2022-08-02 12:37
5 replies
Right now probably Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. A democrat is Speaker bc a democrat won the presidency, however the Senate can currently be filibustered bc the numbers between the parties are so close, thus the Republicans hold a lot of power simply by threat of filibuster.
2022-08-02 16:42
If you want the honest truth, most of our top politicians are old and degenerative elderly folks who are mere puppets. People like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris are completely and utterly incompetent at running a country the size of the United States, let alone any country in the world. On one hand it is truly terrifying as an American to know that they are the top 3 individuals in our executive branch. On the other hand, it doesn't worry me whatsoever because it's clear as day that they are just puppets and that our government and top 1% of our country is corrupt as fuck and there is nothing we can do about it because they have successfully dumbed down our population as a whole and can distract them with our massive media structure. -- Schizo American
2022-08-03 03:31
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-- Smart American 👍 That's why Trump was robbed of the election, he wasn't a puppet and couldn't be controlled like Joeb Island.
2022-08-03 23:39
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youtube.com/watch?v=De20Y1nh-8k There's a reason why JFK had to be killed. They didn't want to take the risk. -- Delusional American
2022-08-04 00:18
Larry Fink, Kock brothers, Larry Page, Abigail Johnson are a few you might not know but have a lot of influence and power.
2022-08-03 06:51
Pelosi no balls
2022-08-02 11:58
2 replies
of course because she is a woman
2022-08-02 11:59
1 reply
What is a woman? Woman can have balls in america didn't you know?
2022-08-03 23:40
Because the chinese dont like that USA will prevent them to invade Taiwan
2022-08-02 12:24
2 replies
China will soft take over Taiwan, already happening
2022-08-02 13:19
it is not invade, just a civil war
2022-08-03 04:57
#34
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Denmark pautreig
Weird flight path, looks like she's going back to America
2022-08-02 12:30
4 replies
can you link me the flightradar?
2022-08-02 12:31
3 replies
#36
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Denmark pautreig
2022-08-02 12:32
2 replies
thanks buddy
2022-08-02 12:35
+1
2022-08-02 15:12
#47
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
If Taiwan shoots the plane down and blames it on China. Its Full Blown WW III.
2022-08-02 12:40
20 replies
you think it can happen? Prob some warnings and economic war
2022-08-02 12:40
6 replies
#51
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I think she is a democrat right ? So it was republican government ... Yes, You are right. But since its Democrat. They think china is involved... High possibility man
2022-08-02 12:42
4 replies
guy still stuck on republican vs democrat
2022-08-02 12:48
3 replies
#61
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
I am pretty sure they work in tandem (except for gun laws or maybe even for that). But as you said... Watch the world burn.
2022-08-02 12:52
2 replies
they are the same entity pretty much
2022-08-02 12:56
1 reply
#63
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
+1
2022-08-02 12:57
Nope, I don't think the US has the balls to start WWIII if you want me to be honest. I know that we can damn well put an end to the world as we know it today if someone else tries to shoot a nuke. But start it ourselves by shooting the first one? Not with Biden as president. He's a pussy. -- Clueless American
2022-08-03 03:33
Why would taiwan do that?
2022-08-02 12:42
8 replies
#53
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
At this point it doesnt even have to be Taiwan. China will be blamed cause if I am not wrong China warned USA not to go to Taiwan. And if I am not wrong Taiwanese Military is on High alert for an attack.
2022-08-02 12:43
some people want to see the world burn
2022-08-02 12:47
6 replies
#59
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
This... +1
2022-08-02 12:51
I wouldn't mind china and us going on a nuclear war and destroying each other but it's side effects would hurt india so please no burning the world
2022-08-02 12:59
4 replies
it wouldn't hurt only India, all humans would die from starving and/or radiation, not counting the nuclear winter
2022-08-02 13:00
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#69
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
South East Asia and East Asia would all be Gone. World will lose there Customer care center and Factory in one war.
2022-08-02 13:02
2 replies
rip Microsoft tech support
2022-08-02 13:57
1 reply
Doond say dhat man
2022-08-03 02:59
#52
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Denmark pautreig
smarter than Einstein.
2022-08-02 12:43
1 reply
#54
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
You forgot to multiply it by -1 for being a conspiracy theorist.
2022-08-02 12:44
if someone shoots down the plane, it's the Americans themselves, false flag is their specialty, Gulf of Tonkin flashback.
2022-08-03 23:42
1 reply
#197
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Hahahaha. Ya but not in this case. China doesn't unfills the criteria. It's not quater of quater the size of USA in both landmass and population It doesn't have oil. It doesn't have soviet era weaponry. It quite modern for America's taste. So no fake flagging.
2022-08-04 06:57
cant america keep their nose out of asian issues ffs
2022-08-02 13:20
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#86
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Dont worry, America only fight war with countries smaller than their own in landmass, population, weapon technology or No Weapons of Mass Destruction or Allegedly/Maybe/Probably/10% sure possibility of Weapons of Mass Destruction. USA aint fighting China... Not until Apple and Tesla Finds other vendors.
2022-08-02 14:15
4 replies
i very much hope so america cant deal with a superpower like china in a war pakistan afaik are close with china and russia too, to provoke china would be a deathwish
2022-08-02 14:16
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#91
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Na Russkis and Pakistan arent close. They do things with Pakistan just when India is about to do some military contract with USA. and they make their point loud and clear. Still remember we were planning to buy F-18s and when the thought came out. Russia declared a joint excerise with Pakistan China is whole other ball game.
2022-08-02 14:32
2 replies
China is something i am genuinely scared of in the future Living in HK is another thing im scared of too as if war unlikely DOES occur, i could potentially be subject to the horrors of it
2022-08-02 14:33
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#93
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Boiya... If you need refugee and you apply for asylum in India and just drop a DM. We might have disagreed in past. But I shall help you.i hope the day never arrives. But you got support here.
2022-08-02 14:37
Jung Kim chill brah
2022-08-03 15:53
what the fuck is USA doing in Asia, they are just provoking China, thats for sure
2022-08-02 13:21
5 replies
+1
2022-08-02 14:16
+1 classic chaos bringer country
2022-08-02 15:12
+1 just making tensions worse
2022-08-02 20:17
#130
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Puerto Rico Dragoark
Hltv euros when a country visits its ally 😱😱😱
2022-08-03 09:30
1 reply
#144
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United States Phamous3k
Lol exactly.
2022-08-03 15:59
lets show China who is real bos
2022-08-02 14:59
#98
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Germany Booya
youtu.be/OQ2oOp040f0 When China tries to look united and strong but its just a loose bunch of Regions where half of the Citizen hates the CCP ...
2022-08-02 15:05
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#102
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China gooner131
I have lived in China for 18 years by now,and from what I know, “half of the Citizens hate the CCP’’ is pure bullshit
2022-08-02 15:57
sry but 50% of population in China is like 700 million
2022-08-03 15:48
It's just a bunch of happening NEETs going nuts again
2022-08-02 15:06
Nothing really happened yet
2022-08-02 20:13
GG EZ
2022-08-03 03:36
Strong move from Pelosi. At op: she's not just done 82 year old politician but no#3 in the country.
2022-08-03 03:57
USA just provokes.
2022-08-03 05:02
1 reply
0 iq
2022-08-03 09:19
A lot of coping in this thread. The idea that a politician visiting an allied country is "provoking" in the first place being the main one. Shocks me that anyone in the west would simp for the CCP of all people. I can tell these people don't even pay attention either because if you actually read what comes out of the state controlled papers or even the CCP's own mouthes they would know what provoking actually sounds like.
2022-08-03 06:09
1 reply
if i had a chinese gf I would become full ccp simp all i can say
2022-08-04 01:19
We do have some internal issues, but our gov is not trying to move our sight to other thing. Pelosi visiting Taiwan is meaning they are officially contacting with a government which we considered illegal. Taiwan is China, but our government need to prevent anyone from recognize governments in Taiwan as legal government of China. Only one government in China can be recognize legal, that's why our officials are pretty tough.
2022-08-03 15:38
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#133
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Puerto Rico Dragoark
"Need"
2022-08-03 15:44
1 reply
Of course they need to lol, to be a legal government of a huge country
2022-08-03 15:45
Push the button.
2022-08-03 15:54
1 reply
I won't, they won't
2022-08-03 16:01
#143
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United States Phamous3k
Taiwan is Taiwan… Requires separate government.
2022-08-03 15:58
11 replies
Taiwan is not Taiwan, their governments recognize themselves "Republic of China", and they are technically illegal government of China for most of countries in the world
2022-08-03 16:03
9 replies
#154
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United States Phamous3k
The entire world outside of China looks at Taiwan as its own country. Hence, we visited an allied country w/ Taiwan not China. You don’t have to agree it’s not going to change anyones perception.
2022-08-03 16:11
7 replies
FYI The USA doesn't recognize Taiwan as a country. Source: worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankin..
2022-08-03 20:33
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#171
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United States Phamous3k
Americans view Taiwan as a country.
2022-08-03 22:54
1 reply
People are not countries and sadly, even in democracies, they don't speak for their countries.
2022-08-03 23:44
If that's the case, then the 181 countries who recognize the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of all of China should cut off relations and recognize "Taiwan" aka Republic of China. Of course that wouldn't happen, since PRC is the only legitimate government of China. You can't recognize the PRC and the ROC at the same time. It's one or the other.
2022-08-03 20:40
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#172
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United States Phamous3k
2022-08-03 22:55
2 replies
OK? So then tell your government to change recognition and see what happens.
2022-08-03 23:04
1 reply
#191
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United States Phamous3k
Nothing will happen. Just like nothing happened when Pelosi landed in the country of Taiwan… China is all smoke and no fire. Nothing new.
2022-08-04 03:26
+1
2022-08-03 20:37
Couple decades of seperation doesn't change ppl's nation imo
2022-08-03 16:04
People don't know shit, they need to go back all the way till the Xinhai Revolution to understand what the fuck is even happening. TL;DR for you motherfuckers, Xinhai Revolution, last dynasty falls, warlord era starts, Kuomintang starts Northern expedition partially reuniting China, Warlord era hasn't fully ended, Civil war breaks out between communists and the central (nationalist government), encirclement campaigns, China receives German support, Long march till Xian, Japan takes Manchuria and starts breathing down Nationalist China's neck, Xian incident, second united front established, Japanese invasion, nearly 9 years of war, communists husband their strength, war ends, civil war reignites, rampant corruption in nationalist ranks leads to loss of the mainland and retreat to formosa.
2022-08-04 01:20
Very bad
2022-08-03 20:32
China scared kekw
2022-08-03 20:42
2 replies
why?
2022-08-04 01:43
1 reply
Scared of Taiwan's independence
2022-08-04 02:48
#190
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Portugal Flaust13
China didn't give permission for her to go to china, but she went anyway, basicaly the us (she was representing) was invanding china in a way. Causing more tension, to try an destabilise the region, and cause another war.
2022-08-04 03:06
3 replies
Taiwan is not China so why would CCP have any say where US politicians can go or no
2022-08-04 03:59
2 replies
#193
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Canada N00dle5
China believes Taiwan is part of China which is why countries do not recognize Taiwan's existence. The US has strategically not acknowledged or denied Taiwan's claims of being an independent nation to keep China happy. China probably views this visit as an acknowledgement.
2022-08-04 04:16
#132 Best explanation I can give to you. My boi just ignoring my comment lol, I am giving u objective explanation and hope you understand that technically both sides (Taiwan & China) recognize that Taiwan is China, it is even written in consititution of "Republic of China"
2022-08-04 04:50
the news need to cover something, and nothing else is happening atm
2022-08-04 04:20
3 replies
EPL season starting on saturday!
2022-08-04 04:25
2 replies
I cant find it, where is it? help pls
2022-08-07 03:16
1 reply
either on the tv channels like ESPN or others, or some streams Just google w/e is in your country
2022-08-07 03:43
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