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United States RichAmerican 
In America, as a software engineer at a top company (Alphabet, Meta, Stripe, Amazon, etc.), You can go from 230k starting salary at 22 years old to 2 million/year within 9 years. So, at around 32 years old: levels.fyi/charts.html With the best perks in the world, months of PTO, best healthcare, etc. Also, many times, work from home or from a laptop anywhere you want. Meanwhile, as a doctor, it's like 12 years of intensive study to make 300k yearly by the time you're 35 and work insane hours.
2022-08-05 01:11
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Probably a shit ton more if you reliably invest into the SP 500 and don't waste your money.
2022-08-05 01:12
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excellent point
2022-08-05 01:17
Yeah just invest into a stable ETF and you can retire safely and with a good fortune. But the fact you get 2 Million a year is actually insane
2022-08-05 14:11
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
you gotta sacrifice the best years of your life to become a doctor, would be hard seeing everyone around you having somewhat developed careers while you're still killing yourself in med school
2022-08-05 01:13
No shit thats how world works people draw some stupid stuff and call it ''NFT'' and make millions of dollars people play video games and make more money than policemans firefighters and teachers
2022-08-05 01:15
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times change degrees are useless nowadays
2022-08-05 14:21
u always can become influencer and make 2x that
2022-08-05 01:15
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Or 2% of that
2022-08-05 01:18
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xDDDD
2022-08-05 06:38
lmao
2022-08-05 14:27
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Brazil Lullabyy
computer science / computer engineering = software engineering ?
2022-08-05 01:15
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Comp sci yes, computer engineering do you mean hardware? That's different.
2022-08-05 01:25
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honest question, what is the difference between a programmer and a software engineer?
2022-08-05 01:40
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It's about the same.
2022-08-05 01:42
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+1
2022-08-05 06:38
they just called it software engineer to sound more professional its actually just a programmer lul
2022-08-05 06:38
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well there is more to that but close
2022-08-05 14:22
software engineers deal with more technical stuff compared to programmers like system architecture and shit programmer is a person who can use programming languages and there is also developers which develop ideas and products they all pretty close tho so mostly doesn't matter which one you choose
2022-08-05 14:25
fuck yeah, can't wait to finish my computer science degree in a short bit
2022-08-05 01:18
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+1 easy fucking life making 6 figures from a laptop
2022-08-05 01:26
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fucking literally bro it's actually nuts
2022-08-05 02:05
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Not as easy as it looks. Just saying.
2022-08-05 02:17
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my brain is so ridiculously scuffed i can rawdog staring at code for 40 hours a week
2022-08-05 02:22
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Slovakia VladO.
the horrors of capitalism at its finest
2022-08-05 01:21
"You can go from 230k starting salary" Show me one programmer who you actually know who has a 230k salary out of college. You have to graduate top 0.2% of your class with honors etc to be placed in a company like Google or Microsoft out of college. Programmers get jobs through coding interviews. You have to train for them and create your own projects. I'm not even a programmer and I know that. It's not this cut and dry.
2022-08-05 01:22
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Definitely with stock options, bonus, relocation bones, a base salary, and basic SP 500 investing.
2022-08-05 01:26
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You are assuming too many variables here. You are basing this all off of getting a 230k job at 22-23 years old and applying compound interest. The amount of people that happens to is slim to none. Also, 80% of people do not manage their RSU's correctly because they fail to understand the tax side of the equation. This year was a perfect example if you were a tech company worker and you sold stock. You most likely took big gains and paid a massive tax bill only to have your portfolio down 20%+ with less cash flow due to inflation. You should also know that "stock options" are not really a true benefit and it depends on your situation. The real perk is gained by the company who is now delaying paying you cash in lieu of paying you in restricted stock that must be vested. In principle, you are not getting the better end of the deal there and not every stock goes up. I know some Palantir employees, trust me :) Again, not really this cut and dry but yes, being a software engineer is a great career choice.
2022-08-05 02:03
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Canada tim1999
+1 but you're on hltv so expected that some guy would hand pick the highest possible starting salary from the most exclusive tech companies and say "look guys, its this ez to be rich"
2022-08-05 01:30
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Compare it to how hard it is to get into a top medical school and the arduousness of 12 years of being poor.
2022-08-05 01:31
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Canada tim1999
i'm not saying software engineering is bad tho, i'm just saying you quoted statistics that are awfully misleading. in fact, software engineering is one of the best professions in our generation, but thinking that most software engineers have a starting salary even near 230k is laughable
2022-08-05 01:40
it's just a regular pronouns/130iq/appliedmathematics (he has shit ton of alts) thread where he tells how easy it is to make $10000000000000000 per second in america
2022-08-05 14:10
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
people see those videos that come from heavy success bias that claim "this is how I go a job at google and you can too" without actually realising that these guys are part of like 0.1% of people who actually managed to succeed this way. seeing people drop their degrees to self-teach themselves programming is actually ridiculous.
2022-08-05 14:25
Very few get to start of that High though, thats for the 10x’ers
2022-08-05 01:31
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Nah, a lot definitely start at 140k base salary. Not including massive stock options, singing bonuses, end of year bonuses, relocation allowance, etc. In my area at least.
2022-08-05 01:32
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Your prob live in a high cost of living area. If most people started at that salary then the average amongst all developers would be at least that but it’s not
2022-08-05 01:35
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Yes, but due to remote work it's not that big a deal anymore.
2022-08-05 01:40
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And salaries will prob adjust to reflect that, as some random guy from the middle of nowhere will now be willing to do the same job for half the money since his rent is 1/5 as expensive
2022-08-05 01:50
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They haven't, in fact it's raising due to inflation.
2022-08-05 02:11
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Yea because work from home is a super new consideration. It’s gonna take a few cycles of employees for it to change. Also AI producing code as well as the rise low code environments is gonna work against it as well. It probably isn’t gonna affect people already with a foot in the industry, however for people still in college I’m not sure they will enter the industry with the benefits that currently new employees have.
2022-08-05 02:15
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"Also AI producing code as well" Ok chill out that's every single job lol
2022-08-05 02:27
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Well I mean yea it’s a big consideration for those careers as well. There was an American politician who had AI killing jobs as a big part of his platform. GitHub already has something to autocomplete code via machine learning.. I don’t remember the name but it’s an extension for some of the poplar IDEs/editors. I would also suggest you read up a bit on Moores Law and think about how it’s applicable to the way that computers have changed in recent history. Programming jobs aren’t going anywhere but I think there are some factors that’s gonna slow down the Astronomical growth we are seeing. It will still be a great career so don’t be discourages, I would just saw maybe slow your expectations just slightly lol
2022-08-05 02:45
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You're thinking of GitHub Copilot. We're a long way from that sort of technology completely replacing SEs. Though, it has the potential to replace the 'code pushers' in the industry, so to speak.
2022-08-05 07:07
Working for any of those companies is like joining the Champions league, it's reserved for the best, the salary will reflect that. Not everyone will have the amount of skill required for such a job.
2022-08-05 12:52
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United States zovint
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but why does it feel like med school and the study of biology and those sciences always revolve around the MCAT. I understand there are labs and experiments, you do, but I wish the MCAT was a little less significant. Luckily, I’m probably gonna be studying computer engineering, maybe CS. I’ve studied algorithms and DS. With how I have my life set up right now, I will be making 6 figures out of college. Perhaps out of Berkeley or MIT if I get lucky.
2022-08-05 01:35
Even though I'm terrible at comp sci I'm gonna start REALLY grinding now cuz I got new ambitions recently. Only thing is I'm not really a super genius programmer but more of a brogrammer lmao but hopefully it still works out
2022-08-05 01:33
own business, sales > any other 9 to 5 bullshit
2022-08-05 01:38
"230k starting salary at 22 years old to 2 million/year within 9 years" The vast majority of SEs never get to that level though. If you use FAANG companies as a reference, the application success rate is something like 3% of all applicants. Google, for example, gets somewhere around 3million applications/year. To get anywhere near the 2mil/year figure you mentioned, you're in the top 1-3% of employed SEs (L7/L8 or equivalent). You do the math. What you said about benefits/work-life balance is spot-on at virtually any level though. Not too familiar with the medical world, but if you're a doctor at a level equivalent to an L8 SE at Google, you're likely making FAR more than 300k/year. Though I will agree, can't argue with the last part you mentioned about education.
2022-08-05 01:39
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That's why I mentioned top companies.
2022-08-05 01:40
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And that's why I mentioned that the barrier of entry is so high. You're comparing literally the best of the best in a field, compared to the average Doctor
2022-08-05 01:43
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Definitely not as high as you think.
2022-08-05 01:43
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I'm not 'thinking' anything, the numbers are out there tbh. Those top companies you're talking about employ, at most, the top 5% of SEs in the world. It's not impossible but extremely difficult.
2022-08-05 01:54
streamer, youtuber > doctor
2022-08-05 01:43
But Doctor still > 230k a year is for the basic family doctor and the doctor is stable People who work in big companies will eventually get kicked when they get old but the older the doctor is, the more valuable it is. The doctor is needed in every country and every corner of the earth. As a doctor, you can move to every country and they will welcome you with a high salary. But as a computer engineer, you won't get this treatment as there are tons of computer engineers.
2022-08-05 01:46
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Brazil ricca
in san francisco they are making up to 100k usd a year as junior front-end devs i make barely 8k xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2022-08-05 01:47
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8k a month?
2022-08-05 14:42
if you make 230k starting salary, you've already worked more in 4 years than a doctor has in 12 years
2022-08-05 02:00
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Brazil ricca
true, specially in FAANG
2022-08-05 02:05
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If ur lucky, you get to stay for 5 years. Most of the time its 2-3 years.
2022-08-05 02:17
some people become a doctor because they want to contribute to society instead of coding the latest grindr update for you degenerates classic burger view $_$
2022-08-05 02:14
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Average doctor salary: United States – $316,000. United Kingdom – $138,000. lmao
2022-08-05 06:32
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I'm finishing my cybersecurity engineering studies in 2 years, master degree. (I'm also able to operate as a software/networking engineer with this studies). I've been thinking to moving to switzerland (I live in france currently) to make some $. Average salary for my job in france is 45k/year. In switzerland, Geneva, entry salaries are around 95k/year. Do you think the grass would be greener in the USA without considering working for TOP companies like Google etc..?
2022-08-05 14:14
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Hell no. The only advantage to USA over Switzerland (amazing place) is things are cheaper, more money, less taxes. Switzerland is very rich with low taxes as well. You will have better QoL in Switzerland over USA unless you work for Google or another top company.
2022-08-05 14:32
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Thanks for your answer.
2022-08-05 14:34
Med school on the US is garbage I agree. Elsewhere it's another story, and it's much better to be the average doctor than the average programmer.
2022-08-05 02:16
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US has the best med schools and the highest salaries for doctors by far. And it's only a year or two longer (which is good). United States – $316,000. Germany – $183,000. United Kingdom – $138,000. The point is software engineer salaries are bonkers.
2022-08-05 06:32
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You're forgetting about the cost of med school in the US and the need to do undergraduate training first. With debt and interest it's a huge financial hit.
2022-08-05 14:05
U don’t become a doctor for the money lol. Most doctor students have insane academic ability and would thrive in most fields. Also u can make even more if u work in finance. I know someone in PE making 350k with bonus out of college. Finally, your best doctors(as an apples to apples comparison) make millions because they are open to the option of making their own private practices and they reap insane money off that
2022-08-05 02:32
That's if you're good enough to be hired by Facebook at that level. Most jobs at Facebook pay way less
2022-08-05 02:35
imagine being surprised a random dude playing video game earns more than the policemen
2022-08-05 06:42
Cute
2022-08-05 07:38
dont listen to this fool. dont waste your time.. most pay you $12.50 an hour... its garbage
2022-08-05 14:16
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bruh
2022-08-05 14:33
its not that easy to get job in top companies. if you are that good you will probably make that money with any job you have.
2022-08-05 14:19
if you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, why you're trying to sound as if you have any idea what the hell you're talking about? let's compare 10x programmers to everyday doctors, nice logic.
2022-08-05 14:21
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India Lunat1c777
I'm indian, I'm gonna live in India most likely, why would I care about America's jobs
2022-08-05 14:24
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