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Prime Na'Vi V.S. Prime Astralis
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North America ignorefAN 
I'm curious which team you think would have the edge here. Maybe a hard to answer question but I'd like to see what opinions the community has. So, would Na'Vi in their prime with s1mple at his best win, or would Astralis with 5 equally contributing members with perfect team play win?
2022-08-05 05:13
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Navi would probably win, CSGO moved on and got more complicated with better tactics. But maybe I'm wrong on this. There are more dynamics.
2022-08-05 05:15
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+1
2022-08-05 05:15
#10
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France HippzZ
+1
2022-08-05 05:31
Incoming angry danish guys
2022-08-05 10:25
+1000
2022-08-05 12:30
+1
2022-08-05 13:20
Idk if CS moved on with covid and online camps, a lot of good players lost the motivation to keep playing In my opinion, 2019 scene was more competitive than 2022
2022-08-05 13:42
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#114
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Georgia g3ks1
Yeah cs in 2022 maybe worst year, i mean in 2018 there were astralis which were best and navi, liquid, faze which were fighting with each other and could give astralis good fight in good but, in 2017 cs was insane, during whole year different teams were on top, astralis, vp, sk, faze, g2, gambit. In 2016 same, yeah sk won 2 majors, but they didnt win a lot except it +different teams earned diffrenet trophies, g2, fnatic, navi, vp, astralis. In 2020 cs was stocked, but still very intresting to see, in 2021 i think just navi evolved it with b1t's singing and reached next cs level, thats why they won everythink and in 2022 just 1 more great team, and whole year we were and will be watching Navi vs Faze, no more matches in 2022. Other teams look funny, like g2 with hooxy, vitality with spinx, yeah ence +sunpays can be good, but ence style is bad and this roster wont win a lot. It feels like c9 can be close to navi's anf faze's level, but when hobbit dropped his stats, they started to play worse. Ax1le and sh1ro cant carry them enough to win navi or faze during some matches.
2022-08-05 19:18
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#153
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Finland d0udy3160
I rather say that 2020 was the worst year in scene
2022-08-07 01:19
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#154
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Georgia g3ks1
Why, every single month different teams were on top? It was one of the most competitive year in cs, yeah in online, but anyway.
2022-08-07 11:00
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#155
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Finland d0udy3160
astralis gone. ence sucked as usually ;D. liquid outside top 10. nip outside top 10. mouz outside top 10. normally tier 2 teams won big tornaments and onliners fucks old legends in the ass. didn't feel so competetive as usually felt like
2022-08-07 18:46
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#156
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Georgia g3ks1
yeah but it doesnt mean that it was worst, maybe we have different opinions, but for me good year is when every team from top 20 can win each other and there arent goats like navi and faze in this year. Only 1 really intresting top match-up in this year.
2022-08-07 19:25
i dont think navi is close tactically but their firepower is just out of this world. similar to faze
2022-08-06 13:48
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Yea sure 2022 top team has worse tactics than a team from 2019. Makes a lot of sense
2022-08-07 01:20
#152
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Finland d0udy3160
+1
2022-08-07 01:18
#4
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Canada JC_123
idk I will compute the solution on my supercomputer in 2060, bookmarking
2022-08-05 05:24
5 replies
Spoiler: The answer is 2015 fnatic
2022-08-05 10:38
4 replies
no it's 2010 navi with the goat and famous youtuber
2022-08-05 23:14
3 replies
Flag does not checkout But true... If they play 1.6 tho))
2022-08-06 12:55
2 replies
i like zeus
2022-08-06 14:56
1 reply
I like famous YouTuber
2022-08-07 00:10
prime astralis any day of the week cant wait for angry navi flair defenders to write copium
2022-08-05 05:24
22 replies
copium check my flair.
2022-08-05 05:30
2 replies
u dont have one, so what ur take?
2022-08-05 05:30
1 reply
me gusta
2022-08-05 05:31
+1
2022-08-05 05:31
2 replies
Hello famous Rocket League player ayyjayy, you gonna win World?
2022-08-06 16:34
1 reply
Yes menss, just 4 u <3
2022-08-06 16:51
+1
2022-08-05 07:47
Not any day of the week; may be 3 days a week max for Astralis
2022-08-05 08:15
lol
2022-08-05 08:18
+1
2022-08-05 08:25
#42
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Moldova nutel
Na'Vi with zeus and edward won against prime astralis and u expect that curent navi will lose lmao
2022-08-05 09:00
6 replies
won 1 time and lose other 50 times
2022-08-05 09:08
5 replies
In which world ,they were pretty even in maps,about 50/50
2022-08-05 09:52
4 replies
1. They weren’t 50/50 2. the only time Navi beat “prime” Astralis in a meaningful match was cologne 2018, and then look what happened in the major final Astralis beat Navi at DHM marseille, major final, and blast pro series final And I think their bo1 record was 5-2 Astralis although that may be wrong Navi only ever won 1 bo3 against prime astralis which was cologne semifinal 3. Flair checks out Edit: everything I said above is assuming we both understand 2020 Astralis wasn’t prime Astralis, if you think 2020 Astralis is prime Astralis then you are just stupid
2022-08-05 10:15
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they were 9 vs 11 in maps in 2018,how hard it is to check lol
2022-08-05 12:40
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and astralis' prime wasnt the entirety of 2018 4 of the maps navi won against astralis was while astralis were in their honeymoon stage and had not won anything yet how hard is that to understand, they werent in their prime yet an era starts >>>>AFTER<<<< the first tournament win
2022-08-05 20:49
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navi with zeus and edward still beat prime astralis, and they change both this bots(<3 edward for his 1.6 careeer but in the end he was a bot) and zeus OMEGALUL still beat them in cologne and didnt let them pass group stage in first ever denmark event blast where s1mple just run over PRIME astralis b1t would ez rekt prime astralis
2022-08-06 13:39
navi smash them based on individual skill alone
2022-08-05 10:09
+1 prime astralis was inhuman
2022-08-05 10:24
+1
2022-08-05 11:49
Lmao it wasnt a win for them any day of the week in 2018 when Na'Vi had Zeus,Edward and flamie.2022 Na'Vi is like 10 times better in every regard,they would have a great chance to win
2022-08-05 21:30
+1
2022-08-06 12:56
Na'Vi wins for sure.. game has come too far since Astralis' massive run. Playstyle and tactics evolve throughout time and the level of cs being played today is simply better than before, which is the natural way of things. Not tryna disrespect Astralis. They were insane during their loong run, but sooner or later teams will catch up and they did.
2022-08-05 05:33
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#84
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Serbia fileegg
Delusional, Astralis implemented heavy utility usage.
2022-08-05 12:06
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#126
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India gXser
They did, but the ways they dominated other teams are either very standard tactics now or are obsolete. Game has evolved way too much since 2018, astralis wouldn't have the same kind of upper hand. This is true for most comparisons between eras but for this one especially
2022-08-05 21:35
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#127
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Serbia fileegg
they were ahead of their competition at the time, like faze is now. Like some other team will be in 2 years from now. Counter is evolving, tactics, meta, etc.. Point is they were best at their time, you cant compare messi and maradona.. u cant say maradona was not good because defense players were much worse back then
2022-08-05 23:03
6 replies
"FaZe is ahead of their competition right now" L O L.
2022-08-05 23:11
5 replies
#139
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Serbia fileegg
winning 4 biggest tournament of the season ?
2022-08-06 16:27
4 replies
Oh boy you need some CS history lessons.. You can't even compare astralis's dominance to FaZe's victories. When astralis was winning those tournaments, they used to clap. I mean.. FUCKING. CLAP! their opponents. FaZe barely wins games. They are not much ahead of the competition. Na`Vi's new roster with a couple of months of practice and all that war stuff going outside of the game was able to CLAP them 32-7 and lost the final of cologne by a single round. So saying that FaZe is ahead of their competition is just utter nonsense.
2022-08-06 19:59
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#146
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Serbia fileegg
Astralis major wins. Eleague atlanta 2:1 VP (close game) faceit london 2:0 navi okay. katowice 2:0 ence (ENCE LUL nonamers) berlin star ladder vs AVANGAR (dont want to talk about this major) so they didnt clap any really good team at that time
2022-08-06 21:15
2 replies
signed up 2021. What the fuck you on about, mate? I am pretty sure you've watched prime Astralis in action back in the day, lol.
2022-08-06 21:37
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#149
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Serbia fileegg
bro i watch and play since 2015, lvl 10 faceit, played lan tournaments myself. i know what im talking about. And yes, faze is dominating better opponents than astralis did back in the day.
2022-08-06 21:54
i think that prime astralis was still better, and obviously was more accomplished. their coordination and innovation was just unmatched. NaVi was the closest anyone ever got to Astralis in that department though.
2022-08-05 05:33
2018 s1mple couldnt stop 2018 astralis
2022-08-05 05:34
4 replies
Yeah I had that thought in mind too. He was still a monster back then but didn't quite have the team he has now behind him, so maybe that played a factor in his past failures?
2022-08-05 05:35
2 replies
well, 2018 navi also had PRIME electronic and a good flamie
2022-08-05 05:39
1 reply
+1 i would say b1t > good flamie but 2018 naviwere definitely no pushovers. The main difference i think would be the lack of blade though, who i'd argue is behind a lot of navi's success
2022-08-05 07:41
+1 even zeus did it at ESL cologne 2018 with his 30 frags on inferno pog!
2022-08-05 05:39
Navi
2022-08-05 05:44
G2
2022-08-05 07:43
1 reply
yes))
2022-08-05 07:44
If they VSed today NaVi would win 100%. Better mechanics and every team by now has studied prime Astralis. But in terms of dominance though prime Astralis wins for sure. They changed the meta and emphasized how important good teamwork and utility is. They raised the bar. Prime Astralis = Prime SA Spurs. Beautiful teamwork but boring gameplay.
2022-08-05 07:46
3 replies
I remember being so bored watching Astralis games because my favorite teams would always get completely smashed. I should've appreciated it while it lasted because they were certainly the team with the most harmonious teamwork.
2022-08-05 07:53
2 replies
Even though my boys at Liquid were getting shafted every grand finals to Astralis you gotta give respect where its due. Some of their strats are just so genius that you just sit there and watch in awe.
2022-08-05 07:55
1 reply
I like looking back now and seeing how coordinated everything looked, just perfect counter strike. Their era of dominance is something that I think will never be matched again. They definitely made today's meta what it is.
2022-08-05 07:56
navi wins ancient for sure
2022-08-05 07:49
astralis was best of the best enough long time, 3 in a row majors already obv proof navi won some events, cause all other top teams were in a slump, gg
2022-08-05 08:33
1 reply
+1
2022-08-05 09:59
Prime Astralis over prime Navi any single day of the week.
2022-08-05 08:38
#34
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Korea seoul_air
astralis
2022-08-05 08:38
#35
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Poland Kac_Blyat
Navi, not because I like them but because Astralis' era was revolutionising the game by actually thinking about how you use utility and navi's peak came way after that. Any tier 1 team today has better util than 2018 astralis including themselves.
2022-08-05 08:45
1 reply
Astralis really did perfectly utilize utility and paved the way for many top teams to constantly innovate different ways to use grenades effectively.
2022-08-05 09:30
#36
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Serbia DjapeZ
Probably prime Navi based on individual quality, but prime Astralis was so dominant against competition back then
2022-08-05 08:46
Prime Astralis had much Better team Work than Prime navi, you can see it didnt even matter that navi just changed their igl with some random, because navi have not at any point been relient on solid tactics. Not to mention Prime Astralis had 4 players in top8 and xyp9x with #13. Prime navi was never close to that
2022-08-05 08:49
I don't want to sound rude but prime navi > every team.
2022-08-05 08:54
2 replies
#49
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Czech Republic Za1Lo
Started watching CSGO 2021
2022-08-05 09:49
1 reply
ALT account I signed up in 2018. When Big destroyed g2 on dust 2.
2022-08-05 10:35
Don't compare, appreciate both of the teams. :) But imo Astralis.
2022-08-05 08:55
3 replies
I definitely do appreciate both teams for their dominance and I like the fact that multiple teams can convincingly be the best in the world at any given time. But I feel like nothing compares to the dominance Astralis had in 2018-2019
2022-08-05 09:28
2 replies
Do you compare the dominance in their runs or what would happen if they face each other?
2022-08-05 09:41
1 reply
In the thread I'm only asking what the matchup would look like. But I've brought up their periods of dominance a few times, unrelated to the original post, just discussing. They are both extremely great teams and I would love to see a highly competitive matchup between the two. Would be an absolute theoretical banger to watch.
2022-08-05 09:49
50/50 basically. One team has a great talents with good gamesense, other one has much better teamplay and strat-book but a bit worse individually. Gla1ve>>>boombla as an IGL and individual player Dev1ce<<s1mple Magisk=Electronic Xyp9x>>perfecto Dupreeh<<b1t Zonic>b1ad3 Would like to see that match where both squads at their prime. Banger.
2022-08-05 08:57
23 replies
I would say dupreeh was closer if not the same as b1t. The thing is that b1t has very high skill ceiling but sometimes doesn't deliver. For example in Cologne grand final he was underperforming a lot, but in semi final against Astralis, he was def game changer and he won them the mirage game. dupreeh was probably more consistent, where b1t had higher peaks but more inconsistent.
2022-08-05 09:53
2 replies
It's just my opinion :) For me b1t would've been better than dupreeh in this prime Astralis vs prime Navi match.
2022-08-05 11:48
1 reply
b1t would either pop off or underperform, #52
2022-08-05 12:14
Dupreeh>>>b1t
2022-08-05 09:55
Dupreeh b1t take is an insane level of disrespect
2022-08-05 10:17
2 replies
indeed lmao what is this dupreeh slander prime dupreeh was actual aimgod, statistically way better than b1t and ranked #5 some people here really lack object permanence, if they can't see a player popping off rn they are completely clueless
2022-08-05 12:19
1 reply
+1
2022-08-05 12:34
#81
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Ukraine d3adLY
b1ad3>>zonic
2022-08-05 11:54
15 replies
No. /closed
2022-08-05 13:17
14 replies
#100
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Ukraine d3adLY
yes lol, b1ad3 found s1mple, electronic, ax1le, b1t and more good players + zonic can do nothing without gla1ve
2022-08-05 13:26
13 replies
How many majors?
2022-08-05 13:38
12 replies
#105
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Ukraine d3adLY
XD, if u think majors = better, then u r silver why zonic cant do anything in vitality? cuz he is bad without gla1ve
2022-08-05 17:07
11 replies
How many majors? Hello?
2022-08-05 19:00
8 replies
#108
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Ukraine d3adLY
how many good players were found by zonic? hmm, 0 how many play-offs in vitality, hmmm, 0
2022-08-05 19:06
7 replies
You can't even answer the question. Expected from 14yo simp.
2022-08-05 19:13
6 replies
#112
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Ukraine d3adLY
1 major? so??? now answer my question
2022-08-05 19:14
5 replies
Good, finally you answered the question little one. And zonic got 4 majors. Talk to me when b1ad3 will do the same.
2022-08-05 19:17
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#117
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Ukraine d3adLY
talk to me when zonic will be atleast avg without gla1ve
2022-08-05 19:29
3 replies
1 major hahahahaha No era hehehehehe Cope more.
2022-08-05 19:30
2 replies
#119
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Ukraine d3adLY
navi era is second best ever sad that astralis is #1 cuz luck
2022-08-05 19:31
1 reply
Hahahhahahhaha
2022-08-05 19:32
Oh wait, you're Franky fan. XDDDDD
2022-08-05 19:02
1 reply
#109
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Ukraine d3adLY
so? she is cute
2022-08-05 19:06
astralis w/o a doubt... they win on firepower alone. only team to have 5 top 20 hltv players ever, players like xyp and gla1ve in their prime were producing ridiculous firepower + they were the most innovative and most in sync team of all time, incredible teamwork and strats.
2022-08-05 09:20
just imagine, cup with current faze, prime navi, prime liquid and prime astralis. Every match is bo5. For me it would be soooo interesting who would win
2022-08-05 09:51
1 reply
Now that would be the greatest series of games to watch of all time. Would keep me glued to the screen.
2022-08-05 09:57
NaVi 3-0 16-12 Inferno 16-5 Nuke 16-10 Dust2
2022-08-05 09:54
Astralis fans will cope hard, but prime NaVi would win this, maybe even with ez 2-0 Because even non-prime NaVi were a hard opponent for prime Astralis (you can watch their h2h).
2022-08-05 09:58
6 replies
You should rewatch major London final then, Prime Astralis was destroying navi with No chance for them. Then you have "Prime navi" who won mostly online events and constantly lost maps to other teams including Astralis in their biggest slump
2022-08-05 10:08
5 replies
That was basically the only match, or 1 from 2 matches where prime Astralis easily won vs NaVi with Edward, Zeus and flamie lmao. But nt, cope harder.
2022-08-05 10:40
2 replies
Wdym 1 from 2? Astralis dismantled navi and in 2019 they never even lost a single bo3 to Them. Currently Astralis has farlig, inconsistent konfig and out of shape xyp and glaive and can still take maps off of navi Lmfao Look whos coping, navi is nothing compared to Astralis, they are miles and miles away from reaching what Astralis did
2022-08-05 10:44
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From 2018 to 2020 (before Astralis roster changes) teams have been played 9 bo3 h2h in which NaVi won 6 times and Astralis won 3 times. The topic has nothing to do with achievements, it's about how both teams played and would be playing with each other. > in 2019 they never even lost a single bo3 to Them nice bait, considering they never played a bo3 h2h match in 2019 > can still take maps off of navi The biggest cope I've read for last couple of weeks.
2022-08-05 12:01
obviously you have no idea what are you talking about :DD, "won mostly online events" funny, I recall b1t winning his first 3 lans in a row but whatever. "Constantly lost maps to other teams" , I recall Navi not dropping a single map in Stockholm, but whatever again. :) Ive been watching cs since cs 1.6 and prime navi, navi that we saw in the second half of 2021 would destroy every other team in history of cs, pure firepower beats everything that would astralis put against them :). And when you talk about dominance, not even astraslis had NIPs 87 map win streak. I dont even like NIP, but that is pure dominance, not losing 87 mpas in a row.
2022-08-05 12:10
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2022-08-05 12:12
Ofc astralis
2022-08-05 09:58
Astralis were the start of the current meta NaVi has utilized the meta already and did it better. bit elec s1mple > magisk dupreeh dev1ce xyp = perfecto gla1ve > Boombl4 zonic = blade NaVi > Astralis overall, though Astralis wouldn't be that easy opponent. in bo3 prolly 16-7 and 16-13 both to NaVi
2022-08-05 10:02
3 replies
S1mple > device Electronic = Dupreeh B1t < magisk Perfecto < xyp Boombl4 < gla1ve Blade < zonic Or are you too young to have watched prime 2018 astralis
2022-08-05 10:19
2 replies
csgo has drastically changed since 2018 lol what cha talking about. skill ceiling gone up high
2022-08-05 10:24
1 reply
i agree however your player to player comparison is false as we judge them based on what they did and not what they would do if they teleported 4 years into the future xyp9x was better than perfecto, if we teleported prime xyp to 2022 we have no way of knowing who would be better, you cannot be 100% sure perfecto would be better than xyp if xyp was 4 years younger unless you also operate under the assumption that any legendary athlete from the 80s, 90s, 00s or earlier is worse than any modern regular athlete
2022-08-05 20:52
are u dumb, comparing 4years difference, fuking 4years is huge ofcourse navi would destroy them probably 16-8 each map
2022-08-05 10:14
1 reply
lol
2022-08-05 19:21
1 reply
that's enough
2022-08-05 11:52
#67
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Romania Ghostpawn
navi prime is just like "s1mple, electronic and b1t go kill" with huge support from boombl4 and perfecto, astralis prime have a lot of complicated tactics, and huge utility knowledge, it's hard to say who can win
2022-08-05 10:24
#71
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United Kingdom fl0ws
Astralis. best team of all time for a reason
2022-08-05 10:26
I think Astralis, mostly bc Gla1ve is a far better IGL than Boomb14, plus Magisk and/or Xyp are far better than Perfecto and b1t imo.
2022-08-05 10:37
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#101
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Finland HARD4ENCE
"Magisk and/or Xyp are far better than Perfecto and b1t" That's pretty questionable tbh. I agree about the gla1ve vs Boombl4 comparison though.
2022-08-05 13:31
Virtus plow would win
2022-08-05 10:44
We cant compare imo cuz different era but i saw people saying "navi would have won ez" when the reality Is navi 2021 almost Lost a final to vita with kyojin,decent misutaaa and incosistent shox.
2022-08-05 12:06
Navi would win. The meta changed BECAUSE of Astralis' dominance. Teams adapted and reworked their playbooks in order to beat the Astralis play style. Navi is very much the result of the Astralis area. Same for Luminosity/SK when they burst onto the scene. FalleN and co changed the game back then, which forced teams to review their own game. Fnatic could not adapt. Astralis very much did. It's a circle. A team dominates, other teams adapt, so on and so on. Right now teams are working hard to beat faze and navi.
2022-08-05 12:23
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#95
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
fnatic adapted until olof's injury. they were top 4 in all events with standin. then olof came back they reached a semi and a final and swapped with godsent.
2022-08-05 12:35
Any top20 team would win astralis 2018 pretty easy
2022-08-05 12:15
#91
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New Zealand Melting
Astralis were great for their time and maybe could have continued ti be dominant but have to remember that t1 cs has developed a lot since astralis era so I'd give navi the win but Astral definitely could upset
2022-08-05 12:25
#93
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
astralis. navi got lucky
2022-08-05 12:33
#96
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Poland Berbe123
Astralis with kjaerbye or magisk?
2022-08-05 12:37
1 reply
I would say Magisk since they were at their best when he was on their roster. The missing piece
2022-08-05 19:19
navi 2:0
2022-08-05 13:40
Prime Astralis... Prime Navi only dominated the covid era of cs, when there was no real competition
2022-08-05 19:12
3 replies
#132
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Finland HARD4ENCE
There was competition lol. Mainly from Heroic and Gambit and to some extent G2 and Vitality. And you can also make the argument about NiP with device.
2022-08-06 13:08
2 replies
Gambit were onliners, and Heroic was full of overperforming inexperienced players-- certainly not contenders by any stretch of the imagination
2022-08-06 13:26
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#135
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Onliners only because they were a young team at the time and they still are? Also there weren't really that much LAN tournaments when they started rising at late 2020/early 2021. Both teams have ever since got rid of this "onliner tag" by winning a LAN tournament, Gambit/Cloud9 even S tier one in Dallas.
2022-08-06 13:31
#123
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Czech Republic JameS_19
Astralis, not even a question, this NaVi “era” is the most overrated miniera we’ve ever had
2022-08-05 20:56
astralis ez win
2022-08-05 20:58
Astralis at their prime was easily the best in the world and noticeably better than any other team at their prime.
2022-08-06 13:10
astralis would shut down that 5-stack of aimers with utility, double peeks, variety of strats etc
2022-08-06 16:37
ez to astralis tbh, fuck utility and stuff they were just on different level of chemistry and communication
2022-08-06 16:40
Prime Astralis wins any day of the week
2022-08-06 20:00
Prime fnatic best, JW pushing Molotov and drop shorting with swag 7
2022-08-06 21:20
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