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FaZe won't have a top 5 player ?
Korea Easily_baited_12yo 
What are the chances that HLTV doesn't put a single FaZe player in top 5 even tho they are the best team in the world by far ? When you look at it statisticaly not a single FaZe players should be in top 5. S1mple, ax1le, sh1ro, blamef, NiKo, zywoo, electronic were all players that individualy performed better than any FaZe player in 2022.
2022-08-08 12:46
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2022-08-08 12:47
Karrigan is top5 easily
2022-08-08 12:47
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#49
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Finland d0udy3160
+111111111
2022-08-08 13:36
+1
2022-08-08 21:07
+1
2022-08-09 00:41
0/8
2022-08-09 01:00
#105
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Poland EZ4Bard
0/8
2022-08-09 01:52
+ 1 million
2022-08-09 14:23
in his team
2022-08-09 14:37
A way better to not be in the top 5 player and keep winning trophies
2022-08-08 12:48
6 replies
oh fr Top 5 will not Matter if they keep winning Trophies sure laugh all the way to the bank if S1mple gets 1 again while Faze win 2 Majors
2022-08-09 01:42
4 replies
1 major*
2022-08-09 14:18
3 replies
big wil win rio major
2022-08-09 14:31
2 replies
only if they buy mopoz
2022-08-09 14:48
Exactly!
2022-08-09 16:47
+1
2022-08-09 13:20
#4
broky | 
Slovakia Janmex
Trophies > being top 5
2022-08-08 12:48
10 replies
Not trying to say top 5 is important, it's just weird because this is the first time a best team in the world won't have a player in top 5.
2022-08-08 12:52
8 replies
#12
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
karrigan is top 5 player this year just not in terms of stats, GOAT (nah its gla1ve but karrigan pretty good also)
2022-08-08 12:55
7 replies
I think you can make arguments for both. Glaive igled the best team of all time but karrigan reached #1 and won big tournaments with different teams. Now he is one off the grandslam as well and he won epl, kato, major and cologne in one season. Thats pretty impressive as well. + He is already a grandpa compared to avg age of cs pros:D
2022-08-08 13:13
6 replies
#36
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
If karrigan can win a 2nd major it can be argued. Sure karrigan won with different teams. Karrigan has the variety, on the other hand gla1ve has the longevity. Its not exactly an objective negative on gla1ve to say 'he has only accomplished what he has with a single (or two rosters if you consider kjaerbye Astralis a different beast) team, it's a plus for him too that he could have such a long dynasty in an eSport, especially one like CS. For now gla1ve is definitively above karrigan. If karrigan takes rio suddenly it's a two horse race in my eyes, 3 majors then its a lock but thats quite a far reach. Lets see if he can get there first.
2022-08-08 13:17
3 replies
Lol enough with the IGL cuckolding. At least 60% of round wins comes down to individual performances. Faze beat Navi solely on individual clutches.
2022-08-08 13:28
2 replies
#46
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
awww cry about it even the individual clutches you talk about is an incorrect brainless take. Poor demo prep means that 1v2 or 1v3 that said individuals won was a 1v4 to begin with. Having the chance to clutch first begins with your overall team's movement, map control and info game within the round not being so poor that it wasn't an unwinnable scenario
2022-08-08 13:32
Ofc the igl doesnt win alone lmao. But there is a reason why only so few coaches and igls were succesful over long time or multiple times. Its all about lnowing what your players need to perform, what kind of player to transfer over, what call to make at a crucial moments and in fazes case giving the players the freedom they need and building an Environment where everyone trusts each others calls. Look at G2, they didnt achieve anything with Niko, hunter, monesy and aleksib who was supposed to lift them to new heights
2022-08-08 13:34
Pronax and FalleN are above Karrigan, if he wins the 2nd major we can discuss But Pronax was insane, 3 majors and 1 with a different core (even if was the same core) and very consistent, being the best IGL for 3 years FalleN is the best IGL in terms of skill by far, and 2 majors Gla1ve the GOAT IGL by far, the 2nd place is debatable about this 3 players
2022-08-09 01:31
1 reply
fallen lmfao
2022-08-10 18:57
#37
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
+1
2022-08-08 13:18
#5
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Romania Ghostpawn
broky have the best change to get in top5 this year, but surely faze will have 3 or 4 players in top10 this year
2022-08-08 12:48
6 replies
2 at max Simple Shiro Axile Zywoo niko blameF Stavn All 7 better stats than anyone else then Broky, Ropz, Electeonic, Spinx, Yuurih very close
2022-08-08 12:57
5 replies
#42
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Romania Ghostpawn
yea but broky got katowice mvp+ 3 other big events won, he aslo have good stats in these events rain got major mvp+ good stats in big tournaments, no one get these achievements untill now
2022-08-08 13:25
4 replies
Trophies doesn't have such huge impact. It's individual ranking, and everyone of these 7 players has at least 0.05 higher raiting than broky, and much, much bigger impact. MVP and trophies means only that broky will be strong 8th place
2022-08-08 14:28
3 replies
You forgot lots of these players got kicked out from group stages with high ratings while broky played much more difficult matches and way more finals.
2022-08-09 01:09
1 reply
Stavn yeah, he played low ammount of matches so he can be below, but others ? I don't think so. Sh1ro also had more trophies, and finals than Niko last year, higher raiting and more MVPs and EVPs, but was behind him just because of his low impact. And Broky's impact is even lower than Sh1ro's last year ...
2022-08-09 14:22
#113
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Czech Republic Evis1337
you measured your IQ somewhere?
2022-08-09 11:11
#6
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North America go1x1n00b
yes because bad team bad players bad org
2022-08-08 12:49
5 replies
Yeah, the absolute worst. Couldn't even win against BIG in the Roobet cup. Absolute garbage team.
2022-08-08 12:53
1 reply
#29
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
Bad org, I agree. Bad team & players, Na.
2022-08-08 13:11
#31
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
#29 Replied to wrong comment.
2022-08-08 13:11
2 replies
Nah, you are half-right :D
2022-08-08 14:15
1 reply
#66
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
You mean good org? lmao Faze literally is one of the worst org in CS. Would have been nothing without karrigan.
2022-08-08 14:30
#7
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
true top 5 s1mple guaranteed ax1le guaranteed blameF almost guaranteed stavn, niko, zywoo or sh1ro last 2 spots ropz and twistzz are probably out of the top 5 running unless they lifegame 24/7 next few months. broky if he steps it up individually the rest of the year could be top 5
2022-08-08 12:51
6 replies
Broky will get top 5 if faze keeps good performance for rest of 2022. Bookmark this
2022-08-08 12:56
5 replies
#18
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Possibly. But he needs to show out that form he had from Katowice and prior
2022-08-08 12:58
4 replies
Imo, he's doing fine when it comes to playoffs, group stage is his weakness. He was highest rated player in katowice playoffs He was second highest rated player in EPL playoffs He was third highest player in major playoffs He was highest rated player in Cologne playoffs It all comes down to what/which events hltv is valuing the most this year. To add that he got evp almost every tournament hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. This is top 20 list from hltv in 2021 and that's not how the rankings really ended up. Edit: You can filter big events / lan / top 20, whatever. You'll never get the list of top 20 plaayers u had at the end of 2021
2022-08-08 13:01
3 replies
#34
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
The list is of course somewhat different from the final top 20 stretch in 2021 but the overall distribution still clearly takes stats as the most decisive factor. My apprehension with putting broky in the top 5 right now is not just that he is ratings wise a few steps behind those names volunteered (in 2022 overall), his impact is also way down, comparable to sh1ro another guy whose top 5 I'm still uncertain on. And even there sh1ro's ratings on both side of that equation are well, well ahead of broky 1.29 versus 1.17 across the year 1.27 to 1.14 with a top 20 filter. Compare it to the other guys who for me are competing for the remaining 2-3 spots in the top 5 (I'll add a top 20 filter) - NiKo 2022 impact, 1.33. ZywOo, 1.22. blameF 1.24. stavn 1.28. Even sh1ro at 1.18. broky sitting at 1.04 it's a bit difficult for me to decisively say okay, broky should go ahead of most those guys. broky can frag and do his job well but its harder to say broky could still put up those individual numbers without his incredibly strong roster around him.
2022-08-08 13:14
1 reply
For sure i agree that he isn't top 5 yet. As i said, if faze keeps the good performance he might have a shot to top 5 counting everything that happened in faze this year so far. Let's see what the rest of 2022 reserves us.
2022-08-08 13:22
"He was second highest rated player in EPL playoffs He was third highest player in major playoffs He was highest rated player in Cologne playoffs" stats charade continues it seems.
2022-08-08 19:00
Faze couldn't care less I bet. However, year ain't over and if faze can keep up the dominance, there gotta be performances that reflect it.
2022-08-08 12:54
2 replies
Yeah but they could also have a downfall just like liquid had after the player break
2022-08-08 19:25
1 reply
I hope not. I really want Karrigan to win the grand slam and see him retire happily afterwards. Can't wait for that emotional speech But you'll never know..
2022-08-09 10:51
In Faze we can see that teamwork is more important than good individuals.
2022-08-08 12:54
7 replies
#16
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
more like insane average individual performance. Shit like the broky Inferno bhop 3k is little to do with teamwork, rain dominating outside singlehandedly is an individual showing. FaZe will have at least 3, possibly 4 top 20 players this year. Thats Astralis era shit
2022-08-08 12:57
4 replies
I think rain will def make it in top 20, his stats have improved dramatically
2022-08-08 21:08
3 replies
#81
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
Very likely yes. Especially with a major MVP. But he did have a weak start and the past few months have been something of an outlier considering the preceding however many years if he sustains form top 20 is more than deserved
2022-08-08 21:11
2 replies
He will have top20 100%. Tarik is the only major mvp to not have a top20 placement and we know why
2022-08-09 11:10
1 reply
#137
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United Arab Emirates balaadlal
isn't tarik the only major mvp that was igling?
2022-08-09 18:13
#25
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Finland HARD4ENCE
They do have pretty good individuals but it's spread even across the board. They don't have like a super sick individual who stands out from the rest (i.e. s1mple, ZywOo, NiKo).
2022-08-08 13:07
Astralis had 5 players in 2018 in top 20 don t care this to that never again, and NAVI almost had 4 in 2021. perfecto was very close to top 20.
2022-08-09 00:53
Better to have trophies than a top5 award from a schizophrenic csgo news website, tbh Teams win trophies, not individuals
2022-08-08 12:55
#14
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United States Phanji
they take the achievements factor in a little so there is a chance for broky to snag a spot in top 5,
2022-08-08 12:56
mf threw choko into the mix and thought that we wouldnt notice
2022-08-08 13:00
6 replies
2022-08-08 13:02
hate him as much as you want but he is still performing
2022-08-08 13:07
??? He is top 5 statswise
2022-08-09 01:13
3 replies
People do need to realise, that if you play less matches cause getting kicked out earlier, results in better stats for sure if you play weaker teams and never reach the finals
2022-08-09 17:09
2 replies
If you are getting knocked out in early stages means your team is weaker than opponents and you wouldnt get high ratings if you werent really good and outclassing the others.
2022-08-09 18:28
1 reply
Yeah u can like simple does even though he loses, Niko just performs well vs weaker teams so thats where he gets his good ratings
2022-08-10 18:51
they will have 4 in the top 15 though
2022-08-08 13:01
2 replies
#33
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
Nope max 3.
2022-08-08 13:13
#38
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
broky will be top 7-8, either ropz or twistzz may be in the top 10, the other top 15, rain possibly top 20
2022-08-08 13:18
who cars?
2022-08-08 13:01
1 reply
#45
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Chile lighto451
me 🚙
2022-08-08 13:30
I dont care if they have 0 or 5 top 5 players as long as they are good as a team. The old super team had a top 5 player in niko and they werent half as good as the cutrent roster also they still have a fair chance of getting 4 players put on the list which is phenomenal
2022-08-08 13:06
1 reply
2017 Faze wasn’t half as good as 2022? Cmon man.
2022-08-09 16:57
Yeah I don't see any of them be in the top 5 on their current trajectory
2022-08-08 13:08
1 reply
Look at eddie making it homie
2022-08-08 13:10
shows how good they are at playing as a team
2022-08-08 13:11
Best team > best player
2022-08-08 13:15
#39
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Finland HARD4ENCE
I would assume 4 players will be in the top 20 this year. 3 possibly in the top 10. That's pretty good.
2022-08-08 13:19
broky top5 ropz twistzz top10 rain top20
2022-08-08 13:22
Broky's probably the only candidate, maybe if he starts off the season with a bang like at kato and rides the wave into the major he'd almost definantly secure his position but other than niko / zywoo etc he'd be the next closest candidate in the top 5
2022-08-08 13:29
#48
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India mirapakay
NiKo CT abuser
2022-08-08 13:37
But they will have 2 majors easy so who gives a shit, HLTV top 5 doesn't mean anything
2022-08-08 13:37
#51
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Denmark slacking
I just hope twistzz gets higher ranked than ropz ropz so overrated it hurts
2022-08-08 13:38
3 replies
#52
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
its because he's so hot. If he wasn't so attractive it would negatively warp his overwhelming goodwill currently. I have him as my phone background. Nah ropz isn't overrated though he just had a hell of a start to the year and his arrival made the team number 1. And he's a likeable guy so who has a problem with saying it. Twistzz > ropz in 2022 though thats no lie
2022-08-08 13:43
1 reply
twistzz pretty hot too though
2022-08-09 01:25
0/8 best lurker since gtr
2022-08-08 19:20
tbh it's better stat than ppl realise
2022-08-08 13:41
1 reply
#54
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
I are agree
2022-08-08 13:43
I hope atleast one is in top 5
2022-08-08 13:44
1 reply
By year end I mean
2022-08-08 13:44
"the best team in the world by far " lmao
2022-08-08 13:53
3 replies
Are they not ? Won 4 S tier events, one of them being a major.
2022-08-08 19:29
2 replies
"by far" lmao
2022-08-08 21:02
1 reply
He mean in 2022 probably
2022-08-09 14:26
#59
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
Likely ropz in the top 4-5. Then twistzz, broky in the top 15. I think rain will be there as the 18-20th too.
2022-08-08 14:18
1 reply
#61
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
Actually, broky will likely be top 5. 1.20 against top 5 31 maps, then atound 1.17. I think faze will have 3 players in the top 10 atleast
2022-08-08 14:22
No way
2022-08-08 14:20
It is called a TEAM EFFORT. WIN EVERYTHING > being top3 player.
2022-08-08 14:23
unexpected take from a blackpink fan
2022-08-08 14:24
#65
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World NukestrikE
they dont have a top5 player so i have no problem with faze having no player in hltv top20 of the year...
2022-08-08 14:29
There are only so many kills you can get in a game. I don't understand how people fail to realize this. With 4 insane individual players (who don't bait), the kills get distributed more evenly and nobody ends up with good stats. All 4 of them should be in the top 10 imo. Broky top 5.
2022-08-08 19:12
14 replies
+1
2022-08-08 19:17
i never saw a more stupid take than this, it doesn t matter if u have 30 kills or 5 kills, impact matters and all of faze players are below 1,05 impact which is even below avg. "who don t bait" btw xD
2022-08-09 00:56
12 replies
By all of faze players are below 1.05 impact, you mean 2 of them? Atleast fact check yourself before you talk all that mate
2022-08-09 01:05
6 replies
2 ? xD only rain is above 1.05 rest are 1.06 ropz, 1,04 broky,1,02 twistzz and 0,92 karrigan very high impact mate. btw none of this players deserve top 10.
2022-08-09 01:07
5 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/11816/ropz?startD.. Would be nice to see where you're seeing these numbers cause I'm pretty sure I'm seeing above 1.05
2022-08-09 01:07
4 replies
filter top 20 cuz that's what matters mate not farming againts tier 17 in group stage
2022-08-09 11:04
3 replies
ropz still has above 1.05 in every catagory possible. You're just proving that you don't look at the stats before you talk mate.
2022-08-09 13:10
2 replies
1,06 is not that much over 1,05 mate so he is still below avg like all of them besides rain with 1,15 impact. none of them deserve to be top 5 with that impact, take ex from last year. Everybody said sh1ro is top 2 cuz of high rating but his impact was very low and end up top 4 below zywoo and niko. Beside rain none of them has impact to be top 10.
2022-08-09 14:14
1 reply
I get your point with the impact but I'm just proving the point where you're not checking the stats enough to validate what you're saying to an extent. To compare faze though, 2021 navi literally had 2 players above 1.05 impact, and guess what, 3 of them were in the top 10. You can't have 4 players with all 1.2 impact mate. also Broky is 100% top 10 of the first season anyway and ropz is the second in line but he's not a gaurantee.
2022-08-09 14:41
Lmao, Impact is also calculated the same way. If you have 5 high impact players on the same team, their impact will get diluted (distributed more evenly is a better way of putting it). These are basic stat principles. Unfortunately you cannot compare players on two teams which function very differently. If a team has a solo carry or 2-3 star players, they will have much better stats individually than players on a team like Faze. Winning is the only metric that matters.
2022-08-09 01:12
4 replies
HLTV care about stats not about teams or wins, so why would they put a guy with 1,05 rating and 1,01 impact over a guy with better rating and more impact ? none of them will be top 5 and only 1 will be top 10 prob.
2022-08-09 11:07
3 replies
Because that one guy won ALL the ss-tier tournaments this season(except for Blast)? Impact rating is supposed to refer to the impact a player has to winning a round. It's quite obvious then that the team who won the most has the players with the most impact. Now if you read #96 again, you will find that its quite impossible for all 4 of Faze's stars to have an impact above 1.10. So are you going to punish them for being too good? lol.
2022-08-09 17:47
2 replies
there was a guy who won everything in 2018 except cologne guess what, he was still behind s1mple and his name is device you know why ? cuz rating > trophies because this is an individual performance thing not a team performance thing, facts is facts, you can t be top 5 with 1,05 impact.
2022-08-09 17:50
1 reply
Bro s1mple still won (or made top 4) a lot in 2018. If he only had the stats, he wouldn't be higher than device. I'm not saying individual stats don't matter at all. They do, but only if you win in addition to being good. This year, aside from Faze and Navi, not many teams have won many tournaments or made top 4 consistently. I guarantee atleast 1 player from Faze will be top 5 and atleast 3 will be top 10. You can come back to this post and talk all the shit you want if they don't.
2022-08-09 18:02
stop giving hltv stats so much credit, who says that the current set of stats can fully portray what a player does in the server, they are just "indicators" of what's going on, just a glimpse
2022-08-08 19:17
1 reply
#78
Zeus | 
Australia NoLeS
if I say broky doesn't deserve top 5 you will malign my words but if I follow that up by saying Twistzz is the NA GOAT and top 10 in 2022 you will accept the truth of what I say broky is not top 5. While statistics are not the end all they are still the most decisive factor and moreover, his teams accomplishments are not in themselves enough to bridge the large discrepancy between his statistical performance throughout the entirety of the year and the actual top 5. On the other hand, Twistzz (who is at this point, definitively the most accomplished player to ever come out of NA as well as proven individually as one of the greatest) is worthy of a top 10 position. Statistically his rating is a little behind broky's but his impact far surpasses and not merely that, but especially considering his role on the team he is certainly deserving to be considered one of the best riflers, and best players overall, of the year thus far.
2022-08-08 21:06
they are all playing eqaully well
2022-08-08 19:19
just shows what a great team they have rn
2022-08-08 19:20
Well they have four top 20 players
2022-08-08 19:27
at least one will make top 5. My guess is broky or karrigan. I only say karrigan bc if they get IGS and another major he has to be top 5 bc he's the igl that won so much this year
2022-08-09 00:47
"they are the best team in the world by far ?" top comment right here. NAVI is tier 2 i guess
2022-08-09 00:50
2 replies
So FaZe isn't the best team in the world ?
2022-08-09 01:29
1 reply
it is, but not "BY FAR"
2022-08-09 11:03
#87
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Brazil flytw4tp
faze doesn’t have a star player everyone is good at ur job but i think twistzz/brooky/ropz deserves a top12 spot for sure
2022-08-09 00:57
#93
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Croatia VTZU
thats because playing as a team > having good stats just look at blamef, his career is a huge failure in every department except for stats, he just baits gets exit kills and loses tournaments with good stats
2022-08-09 01:09
#94
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Poland kruky
People seems to forget how important are big event wins and impact rating. True, probably no top5 player but for now it looks like they will have 4 players in top6-12. Rain with biggest impact rating across faze and major MVP is not something hltv would miss.
2022-08-09 01:09
Stats aren't everything anyway. We all know Faze are looking damn strong and all their players are popping off. Problem is, they have so many good players there's not space for one player to take up as much space as for example zywoo or simple do on their teams
2022-08-09 01:11
#99
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Romania PimPEL
idk i think karrigan rain maybe
2022-08-09 01:28
Broky has potential to break into top 5 he has 1.17 rating in 2022
2022-08-09 01:50
1 reply
He has atleast 3 EVP's and 1 MVP IEM Katowice
2022-08-09 01:51
#107
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Poland Astoner55
Broky can make it tbh, but overall I agree, FaZe are a living proof that in the end it's perfect teamwork that wins you tournaments, not heroic individual performances. They don't need s1mple or NiKo to make it work because they play like a well-oiled machine.
2022-08-09 11:02
1 reply
#142
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
They have 3 top 20 players from the past year currently playing. Only other team with such players is navi. With 2 top 20 players faze didn't even reached 1 finals last year. Addition of another top 20 player changed faze's performance not just teamwirk
2022-08-10 19:00
#110
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Italy Skye620
Probably going to make up 20% of top 20 2022. Apart from karrigan they all can make top 20
2022-08-09 11:04
Ok
2022-08-09 11:11
i think broky and rain have a real chance
2022-08-09 11:21
they are the best team in the world and all 5 players are the best
2022-08-09 14:31
Only carrygan has chance ! Jokes aside , faze will have 3, maybe 4 players in hltv top 20 but not in top5
2022-08-09 17:03
1 reply
#133
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United States ILOVEFEET
Broky has 1.18 against top 5 this year, he is making top 5 it might be 5th but he will be there
2022-08-09 17:10
#132
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United States ILOVEFEET
Broky is top 5 objectively so 0/1000
2022-08-09 17:09
Theres still second half of year, players can bounce or fall off NaVi 2021 proved it in 2nd half dominated CS and got major
2022-08-10 18:54
Broky will be top 6-7 most likely, ropz and twistzz have a shot at top 10 and rain, if he keeps his form top 20 is certain, I know 1.09 isn't much but fnx got top 20 in 2016 with 1.06
2022-08-10 19:03
Did u just say Zywoo xDDDDDDDDDD
2022-08-10 19:05
honestly depends on how the rest lf the year goes. i imagine twistzz ropz and broky are contenders for top 10 if anyone of them significantly pops off for the rest of the year top 5 is possible.
2022-08-10 19:11
#146
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India DG_1998
Broky would be top 5 for sure.
2022-08-10 19:13
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