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TOP 5 NA PLAYERS ALL TIME (DEFINITIVE)
kRaSnaL | 
United States muffinner 
1. Elige 2. Twistzz 3. Tarik 4. NAF 5. Stewie2k Honorable Mentions: Skadoodle, Brehze, Ethan, nitr0
2022-08-10 04:15
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Stewie2k is 3rd
2022-08-10 04:15
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there is an argument to be made for sure. I think Stewie is a bit too inconsistent to beat out NAF or tarik though, especially since both NAF and tarik were playing at a high level for a few years before Stewie started playing in tier 1. if NAF, tarik, and Stewie all started playing at the same time, I probably would put Stew at #3
2022-08-10 04:22
#2
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1 great list honourable mentions is good, top 5 is good order maaaaaybe swap NAF and stewie but im good either way
2022-08-10 04:16
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naf is still reckting tier-1s when stewie rerited. list is good
2022-08-10 06:10
#3
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Sweden Spaade
2022-08-10 04:16
#4
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United States r0l4nd_
twistzz > elige
2022-08-10 04:17
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#6
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
in 3 years yes, now no
2022-08-10 04:18
1 reply
+1
2022-08-10 04:24
#5
fat | 
United States menhera
s1mple cerq wolfy n/a n/a
2022-08-10 04:18
1 reply
+1 Great list from another extremely smart Chinese man. -smartest and least delusional Chinese man
2022-08-10 04:19
NAF and tarik over stewie? fuck off
2022-08-10 04:20
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he has a higher skill ceiling than both but less impact and consistency
2022-08-10 04:23
i have never seen this thread ever
2022-08-10 04:26
1. junior 2. shakezullah 3. freakazoid 4. tenz 5. yay
2022-08-10 04:28
2 replies
how you gotta disrespect shake and freak like that
2022-08-10 06:25
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wdym? shake and freak are the the masterminds behind the success of junior and s1mple
2022-08-10 07:03
Roca 5 times
2022-08-10 04:31
#15
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Japan Legoshi
ska >>> tarik by far
2022-08-10 04:40
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honestly I do think skadoodle played at a higher level than tarik, but it's hard to look at tarik's trophies and still say skadaddy is better
2022-08-10 04:51
#16
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Brazil Amassado
1-Stewie 2-Twistzz 3-Elige 4-tarik 5-Naf
2022-08-10 04:48
1. Elige 2. Twistzz 3. NAF 4. Stewie2k 5. Tarik Honorable mention - Brehze
2022-08-10 05:07
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This.
2022-08-10 07:27
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#40
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Austria holzpyjama
Omg aren’t you the one who wanted to be recognised on hltv
2022-08-10 07:34
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Eyyyyyy. I made it finally. Yes mens and thank you :)
2022-08-10 09:25
2 replies
#46
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Austria holzpyjama
You’re welcome have a great day
2022-08-10 15:18
1 reply
you too!
2022-08-10 20:31
#19
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France Alyta
Junior is the GOAT
2022-08-10 05:33
Twistzz 1 major elige 0 major naf 0 major
2022-08-10 05:33
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Romania Ghostpawn
naf>>>>tarik
2022-08-10 05:34
Ocean where?
2022-08-10 05:34
Elige and Naf have virtually identical career rating and trophy cabinet, why do you rate Naf so much lower?
2022-08-10 05:50
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you're right and maybe I do underrate NAF a lot. maybe I'd switch him with tarik. but I feel like Elige has much more impact and that he is often the main reason liquid wins games. in my opinion he is the sole reason liquid has remained a contender for all these years, even as players like hiko, nitro, and twistzz have come and gone. if you look at the Elige's 1.26 impact rating (which is insane and is only beaten by hard-carry players like Zywoo) vs NAF's 1.10 impact, there's some evidence to back up this gut feeling. I think also that if you look at any specific point in time, NAF has never been the definitive #1 player in NA. either tarik, shroud, stew, twistzz, or elige have a higher rating than him. additionally, these players are often on the same team as NAF, and I don't get the feeling that NAF has ever been a team's sole reason for success (besides maybe OpTic). he has never felt dominant to me, and I think that's a req for being top 3
2022-08-10 06:24
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Thanks for the thoughtful answer. Elige does indeed have much higher impact, and this is due to his role as an aggressive entry / star rifler. NAF has much more passive, lurk roles and so his stats shine in other areas like KAST and DPR. It's also worth noting that their career ADR is nearly identical. NAF is not getting the flashy entries and multikills but his overall contribution per round is about the same. This is part of the reason why the combined rating was created: because it is not particularly meaningful to directly compare things like impact and kast in players of different roles. If you look at even the very best players in NAF's role (like ropz), impact is similarly lower even if they are absolutely critical to the team's success. I believe that most people underrate NAF for the same reason.
2022-08-10 06:36
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but a team doesn't win tournaments just because they have a really great support player, they win tournaments because they have a great star rifler, with or without great support behind them. I'm not really ranking these players by how individually skilled they are, I'm moreso ranking them by their teams' accomplishments and how responsible they are for those accomplishments, and I'm of the opinion that Elige, as a star rifler and leader (I don't mean IGL) of Liquid, is more responsible for his team's victories than NAF is for his teams'.
2022-08-10 07:28
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Think you could also argue that impact is a more important stat. Reason being entry kills are literally the most important kills in the game. Also Elige has longevity on NAF. NAF still a sick player tho.
2022-08-10 08:00
2 replies
+1 except NAF has been playing for longer than Elige
2022-08-10 08:03
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I mean in terms of having elite years. Elige has been on the top 20 list every year since 2017. NAF has three appearances.
2022-08-10 08:03
Elige 0 major
2022-08-10 05:58
#25
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Where goat swag
2022-08-10 06:03
Hahaha, Elige on rank 1 ... 0/8
2022-08-10 06:18
1 reply
cmon it's at least a 1/8 :(
2022-08-10 06:19
droid? nosraC? also jazzpimp
2022-08-10 06:20
Greatest = 1) Twistzz 2) Stewie2K 3) Tarik 4) NAF 5) EliGE Best = 1) EliGE 2) NAF 3) Twistzz 4) Shroud 5) Skadoodle
2022-08-10 06:45
#34
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
Where is hiko, skodoodle? People who actually became top players not the ones who won just because they were in the best NA team
2022-08-10 06:56
you write skadodle in here but you not write coldzera 2 major mvp
2022-08-10 07:02
#37
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Brazil Maujubudo
no hiko wtf?
2022-08-10 07:20
brax
2022-08-10 08:21
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