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why do most self proclaimed eco conscious people have such deluded worldviews like that solar or wind are good energy sources when they're in every way less effective and sustainable than hydro or nuclear. why do we suggest eliminating carbon emissions and switching to unsustainable electric vehicles and heating methods when we could just develop carbon capture technologies and produce synthetic fuels or biofuels using the plentiful nuclear / hydro energy we have? the world is heading in the wrong direction.
2022-08-10 15:39
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Belgium rpRj
Anyone else thought it was going to be about saving guns in CS?
2022-08-10 15:41
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baited
2022-08-10 15:41
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Belgium rpRj
Thought so after writing comment, but ill gladly give u props :)
2022-08-10 15:42
good bait
2022-08-10 15:43
I thought it was about pushing hard for eco frags.
2022-08-10 15:42
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+1
2022-08-10 16:04
+1, i get so many kills on eco w/ palace push on mirage CT side lol
2022-08-10 19:57
+1, I thought this was gonna be a thread about Tarik or some shit
2022-08-10 19:59
+1
2022-08-10 23:38
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Guatemala ChurchGuy
+1
2022-08-10 23:40
+1
2022-08-10 19:58
you realize that hydropower is a limited resource? And has quite some impact on wildlife etc?
2022-08-10 15:41
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it's not limited. you reposition some water. wind turbines displace animals too.
2022-08-10 15:43
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I think you're underselling the impact of hydro power. I support hydro, in the right locations, but can be absolutely devastating to local wildlife. Far greater than turbines
2022-08-10 16:17
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or as dipshit trump called them, "windmills" lmfao
2022-08-10 19:57
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Haha I dislike Trump as much as the next guy, but to be TOTALLY fair I live in a location with many many turbines and it's extremely normal to call them windmills (even if it's not totally accurate :D)
2022-08-10 23:23
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fair, although the REALLY stupid stuff he did/said was that coal/fossil fuel power was safe for the environment, and that wind power was the real danger OMEGALUL.
2022-08-11 01:58
Meanwhile the german word for this unironically translates to wind wheel, so you got me confused about that disrespect stuff lmao.
2022-08-11 12:50
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hahaha, in english we just have "windmill" (a wheel that uses water power to grind up grains, and it's a very antiquated term), and "wind turbine" (giant fan that uses wind to make electricity), and trump doesn't know the difference xD
2022-08-11 19:18
its not limited in the same way as coal, which is a finite resource. But in Norway we have already built hydropower plants on 90 % of the waterfalls and rivers where its economically viable with hydropower. So what I mean is its limited to the actual rivers and waterfalls you have available.
2022-08-11 12:45
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Finland Eestu
When I read the title, this was literally the last thing I expected to find here.
2022-08-10 15:42
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Belgium rpRj
2022-08-10 15:42
im an eco shark :) dudududududu
2022-08-10 15:44
hydroelectric power is great! The downside to it is the disruption to natural habitats as hydroelectric plants almost always make use of a dam. Nuclear on the otherhand, I believe is just people not really understanding just how safe it is. They are scared by the name and automatically write it off. Here in the US, more and more Nuclear Power plants are getting shut down, and it is really sad to see, but many of the people don't consider it other than a superficial consideration, and immediately shut down the idea because they think of the disasters that have happened. Nuclear is becoming slightly more popular with the younger generations, but the start up costs of a nuclear power plant is too high to justify making the switch right now, and people cannot think past a few years in the future, so the cheaper, less potent renewables are in more favor. I understand that in Europe, especially France, nuclear is more popular, but I don't know the public's opinion on it.
2022-08-10 15:46
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Serbia lolz1c
6/8
2022-08-10 15:49
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Turkey zane_
electric cars are shit , if you use electric car i hate you. if you wanna drive a car go get a real car with internal combution engine, if you wanna travel around in a toy go buy a electric car and scam yourself
2022-08-10 15:52
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New Zealand Melting
Nuclear and fusion energy are really the future in terms of green energy it's just getting past the stigma attached to older gen reactors (which is probably supported by oil and natural gas companies)
2022-08-10 15:53
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It's kinda depressing that nuclear energy has to fight the lobbyists of oil/gas companies AND eco activist groups. Just honestly has everything working against it As someone that works in nuclear, 99% of positive press releases about fusion are just calls for more funding. The tech is simply so far away still, if even at all feasible. You're absolutely right about the stigma though
2022-08-10 16:03
problem is that it does not pay off because the costs surrounding this facility are huge + they have a certain lifespan and the costs to get rid of the radioactive waste when u break down a nuclear plant is ridiculously high as well + there are still no good solutions for storage long term now where the first built reactors are old even the energy industry realizes that this whole concept is not as good as people thought in the past. at least not in the way it was done in the past
2022-08-10 18:22
Cold war era propaganda and military funding destroyed the public's perception of nuclear power, super unfortunate to see (full disclosure, I work in nuclear, so I'm also biased) Electric vehicles are definitely the future, but greater investments need to be made into batteries and more funding needs to be put into massive energy production like nuclear for them to be sustainable Hydro is also great (I'm Canadian so I have to defend it), the downside is that sooooo much natural land and homes have been destroyed to make it practical. A lot of people don't realize how much land they take up with displaced water. I'd argue wind and solar are both better for the environment, seems to be the consensus of the engineering department I work with too. My company is currently developing SMRs which I think are the energy generation of the near future I think the future is a lot brighter than you're making it out to be. It's heading in the right general direction, as long as there's a shift away from fossil fuels it's a good move, I just wish the eco Lobby like Greanpeace would consider the benefits of nuclear more
2022-08-10 15:59
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You wanna elaborate how exactly electric cars are better than synthetic fuels or biofuel? They take ridiculous amounts of rare earth materials to produce.
2022-08-10 16:02
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Biofuel is generally created from two sources (either growing to make HVO or using agricultural waste to create HVO iirc), but the problem is that the amount of crops that have to go into making it is staggering. If all agricultural waste was 100% converted into biofuel, it still wouldn't fuel a fraction of cars on the road (if they were all converted into biofuel consuming vehicles). We'd have to drastically increase crop growth, which if history of famine and drought have taught us anything, isn't overly sustainable. Synthetic fuels are an alright solution, but the technology just isn't there yet. The production still using a shitload of fossil fuels to create. Electric vehicles are already proven, the technology is there. Everyone seems to bring up the rare earth metals, but irregardless of EVs the metals will be completely unearthed for every other piece of technology (gold, silver, cobalt, lithium. All are used in nearly every modern piece of tech). IMO the biggest fear that should come from EVs is geopolitical, labour in mines and such, but they're definitely better for the environment
2022-08-10 16:15
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"The technology isn't there yet" isn't an argument. If we can pour hundreds of billions into EVs we can do the same with synthetic fuels which would also save the trillions in existing infrastructure.
2022-08-10 17:55
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It is an argument though. Electric vehicles have been around since combustion engines, funding has gone towards refining an existing technology, not developing a new one Synthetic fuel, for all intents and purposes, just isn't practical. Look at how much feed it already takes, and we're producing 240k barrels/day. Compare this to gasoline, which in the US alone, consumption is 8.8 million barrels per day. Not to mention it seems as though synthfuel engines are less efficient per fuel mass, so even more will have to be produced There just simply isn't enough agriculture to sustain that
2022-08-10 19:54
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nationalgeographic.com/science/article/c.. I don't mean replacing everything with ethanol. This is what I meant by synthetic fuels.
2022-08-10 20:16
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Using electricity to create fuel is FAR more inefficient than just using it AS fuel. Think of the amount of lost energy going from the collection, purification, and creation, to the transportation and delivery and then burning of these synthetic fuels. Then compare it to simply creating the electricity, and using existing power grids as delivery methods. Unless the world runs into a major excess of energy in the next decade, I don't see how it's more viable than simply creating the vehicles themselves!
2022-08-10 23:34
lobbying too strong
2022-08-10 16:07
6/8 but fuck you bro
2022-08-10 17:59
It's really a shame nuclear energy has such a negative stigma attached. Personally, I think France was smart to invest heavily in it.
2022-08-10 18:29
How exactly is solar energy not sustainable? We will have it until the sun dies, and at that point, we won’t have to worry about power at all, cuz we’ll be dead.
2022-08-10 20:01
6.5/8 and fuck you.
2022-08-10 20:02
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lol
2022-08-10 23:35
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Cyprus Porgos
Solar is good here at least, we have sun for almost every day of the year
2022-08-10 20:18
Literally the best bait in a while, props to you
2022-08-10 23:25
8/8
2022-08-10 23:35
People who actually think that electric cars are the future are dumb af. Literally the only way that would happen would be I was able to fill my entire batery in 5 minutes everywhere and it will never happen. Once I did 4000km trip in a Tesla and it will never happen again. Worst trip of my life and I dont wanna know how many hours of my life I wasted while I had to wait till this garbage car is ready to go
2022-08-10 23:51
3/8, I came prepared to defend my PP-Bizon buys in mge matchmaking on dust 2.
2022-08-11 12:47
8/8 got me
2022-08-11 12:48
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Canada JaacTree
carbon capture ain't a real thing tho, nuclear all the way
2022-08-11 12:59
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