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swedish cs is dead
kRaSnaL | 
United States muffinner 
sweden used to have 3-4 teams consistently in the top 30, but now they only have nip, which hasn't looked good since early in the year. what happened?
2022-08-15 06:56
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Recycling talent, neglecting the amateur scene etc.
2022-08-15 06:57
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
#1 sums it up nicely. As amazing as nip/fnatic were they kept gtr, friberg, f0rest, Xizt, flusha, krimz, jw, pronax for soooo long. Im not even saying the didnt belong on t1 teams. But when you have the same 8 players being recycled on the top swedish teams it doesnt leave a lot of room for the amateur scene to develop.
2022-08-15 07:02
3 replies
Precisely, nowadays the problem is a lack of orgs willing to invest in swedish cs rather than a lack of talent
2022-08-15 09:16
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1 its a shame sweden lost fnatic (10 players between main and academy team and 2 are swedish) Maybe when TSM or 100T return one of them will go swedish. Or maybe im just delusional thinking either will return in the first place
2022-08-15 09:28
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My hopes is that godsent will go back to swedish cs, since its a swedish org run by pronax. They could easily become a decent t2 team with potential by getting players like: rusty/ztr as igl, jackinho/phzy/draken as awp and then 3 of lnz, pepzor, isak, sapec, maxster, nilo, f0rest, heap, lekr0, olofmeister and susp for example. Any combo give or take can become a t2 beater even though they might lack t1 potential as a team
2022-08-15 11:13
I don't know, They don't have the excuse of Covid or Valorant either killing every other scene. Swedes are born with practice into top tier CS but are still really bad. Lack of skill and work ethic most likely. Swedes cling onto 2013 wins when no one played CS competitively except NIP.
2022-08-15 07:05
18 replies
wikipedia says that NA as a whole has 580 million habitants Sweden has 10m thats a good enough excuse for me
2022-08-15 07:07
16 replies
Europe has over 800 million. Central America and Mexico don't play CS. South America plays CS. Per Capita, US and Canada are over 30th by players. Europe has the most players per capita by far. It is the bigger landmass. It's only a good excuse if you have a bad education. So you're in luck!
2022-08-15 07:09
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United States Phamous3k
Lol. Gotttttt damnnnnn. Class in session.
2022-08-15 07:14
lmao good job XD gottem
2022-08-15 07:25
europes population is irrelevant when talking about sweden only. NA logic lmfao go drink some melted cheddar or something, ronald.
2022-08-15 09:20
10 replies
He was comparing a single country with a high per capita rate of players vs an entire region that doesn't play competitively. Fakeflagging so prob from a shithole, cheers!
2022-08-15 09:23
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#39
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1 guy compares an entire continent to his country then when you compare continent to continent its an issue lmao
2022-08-15 09:30
copium, burger boy. cant even compete with a country with a population of your largest cities lmfao.
2022-08-15 09:44
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That doesn't mean shit? NA is 1/2 the size of Europe yet still had 4 players in the top 10 in 2019 before Covid killed the scene due to restricting travel. Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, the 5 most populated EU (including UK anyways) countries have absolutely no chance at winning tier 1 trophies despite having like 300 million people and a high per capita player rate. CS is just international now. That's the evolution of the scene. My bad, I was talking logically to someone stupid. "COPE HARDER!!!"
2022-08-15 09:54
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sweden 10 million=multiple major winners NA almost 400 million= 0.5 major won (fluke) cope lmfao
2022-08-15 10:09
2 replies
Your baits are getting a bit shaky. D+ for now, but you can do better.
2022-08-15 10:33
1 reply
better retreat to vaLULrant
2022-08-15 12:46
God damn, NA people are even more stupid than in all of the videos you see from them
2022-08-15 10:11
1 reply
Sweden.
2022-08-15 10:33
NA CS LUL
2022-08-15 19:24
Usa still have the second highest player base with around 10% of all the players just behind Russia at 12% so you may think that would be enough to be better than a tiny country like denmark with only 2% of the player base
2022-08-15 09:24
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You have to understand, NA = Canada and USA which is like 370 million people and around 30th in players per capita. Mexico and Central America, in NA, simply don't play it except for a single tier 2 player like Marke. EU = EU region (450 million people), or Europe if you include CIS (like 750 million) and is significantly more active per capita. It's just not comparable at all. Especially when you consider than NA was doing really good in 2019 with 4/10 players in the top 10 and Liquid/EG switching top 1 spots despite being the smaller and less active region before Covid prevented travel and Valorant came out.
2022-08-15 09:33
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ropz | 
United States Goob
verygames
2022-08-15 07:21
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Poland Neo[T]orius
yeah it is crazy but such is life all good things come to an end. they ruled the cs world for a good 16 years
2022-08-15 07:06
3 replies
agreed, nice to see that CS isn't 100% dominated by sweden, france, denmark, and poland anymore. sweden has moved on from its peak, and that's opened the door for teams/players from across europe and across the world to have their time in the sun. a team like ENCE would never be a consistent top 5 contender in 2015, yet here we are
2022-08-15 07:12
2 replies
Would you be surprised if I disagree that its nice not to no longer have the nr 1 spot?
2022-08-15 09:26
1 reply
I would be shocked
2022-08-15 19:17
#8
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United States Phamous3k
Swedes doing there best NA impersonation
2022-08-15 07:06
but at least swedish cs isn't as dead as polish cs :(
2022-08-15 07:23
3 replies
#29
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Europe Jezynt
No snax in T1 no Polish cs :(
2022-08-15 09:17
1 reply
:( FeelsBadMan
2022-08-15 19:19
They are in the same state though with the exception of NiP
2022-08-15 09:28
Why is USA so rude? #BeBest
2022-08-15 07:25
Swedish CS is not dead. A ‘dead’ scene has no possibility of improvement, like Australian CS. Swedish CS, like every other living scene over history, goes back and forth with talents. As long as they have orgs and players that are decent they are alive. At one point the region with the most top 10 teams were: Swedish, American, Danish, and French. Now they aren’t. That’s not an issue that’s just how the world works. Sometimes an insane talent that can carry a scene develops over here sometimes it’s over there. As long as you have orgs supporting the scene to develop new stars it’s not dead.
2022-08-15 08:54
#31
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Georgia Megobari
If you call Swedish scene dead, just look at the Georgian scene, dude :)
2022-08-15 09:23
#33
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Finland RPGWiZaRD
Just need to invest more in upcoming talents at this point. NIP vs Fnatic used to be so fun to watch, started following since around early 2016 and both teams were still quite strong and it happened they would meet in finals at that point still, I miss that rivalry between the teams.
2022-08-15 09:25
1 reply
Just return begrip back to counter strike and it's all good again 4Head move
2022-08-15 09:56
#41
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Germany ChRiZOwow
The pros got older and valve added trash maps like ancient and vertigo )))
2022-08-15 09:34
3 replies
i hate vertigo with a passion
2022-08-15 10:29
1 reply
idk it's actually kinda fun to play but for watching it's not that good
2022-08-15 11:15
#67
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I guess we should've kept 2013 Inferno then lol everyone cries about X map, and when it gets replaced then suddenly everyone "loved" X map
2022-08-15 19:25
#48
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Sweden skorpan
Not dead, but clearly not that good anymore though. Still, we have NiP, krimz, some decent youngsters (Sapec, phzy, eraa etc) and peppzor (MVP in weplay academy tournament) Hopefully more talent will show up.
2022-08-15 10:26
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sry eraa isn't one of our decent youngsters.
2022-08-15 19:35
It's sad, really. We do have some hope in the upcoming talent but it's looking grim indeed. Hoping that Brollan keeps developing, Plopski can find his feet again and that Nilo, Chawzyyy and Joel can come to life
2022-08-15 10:29
Valorant = NA CS.
2022-08-15 11:16
now there is Finest, recently there were GamerLegion
2022-08-15 11:16
I bet it will come back, too many good players here, legendary players. The scene cannot die out yet with these players around. All of them can use their status alone to revitalize the scene, by playing or other means. Sadly an example of this not being the case is xizt and moddii both doing it for Denmark instead of Sweden. Man come to think of it, maybe im wrong. With guys like carn even giving up on Sweden.. Yeah maybe threat and nip is what we will have from now on..
2022-08-15 12:54
(warning cope) Russia & Ukraine & Brazil & Denmark are the only scenes that are alive, rest dead
2022-08-15 19:43
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