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WHY REMOVE DUST2?
France cake1 
Name one (1) reason to remove de_dust2 from the official competitive map pool.
2022-08-16 08:54
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I see no reason to, good map, should stay
2022-08-16 08:54
8 replies
not exactly a good map tho. very simple layout means that it lacks tactical depth (for pro scene ofc) meaning that ultimately it comes to aim duels rather than tactics to win the game. i like the map, it's a classic map and fun to play but it's not a good map by modern standards
2022-08-16 12:57
7 replies
It's up to teams to change things up, they just repeat everything over and over again.
2022-08-16 13:29
I like that some maps are more pugy, even in pro.
2022-08-16 13:39
That's how I like it. Shooting is more exciting than slow tactical crapperson
2022-08-16 13:57
If you want pure tactical games. You should go watch Chess
2022-08-16 14:12
3 replies
compare it to a map like Nuke, or even mirage to some extent. there's so many things, so many variations possible. that's what i meant by tactical map
2022-08-16 14:57
2 replies
I agree with you, but its good to have an aim map, so there are some variations in the map pool
2022-08-16 15:11
1 reply
+1
2022-08-17 03:53
#2
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United States brub
i dotn lik e it..
2022-08-16 08:56
#3
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New Zealand kdeadly
its our national map and should stay
2022-08-16 08:56
4 replies
not anymore
2022-08-16 09:11
#51
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India Lunat1c777
Isn't mirage the map to call that? Indian servers we have a running joke Sarkari map Means the government map, that is like compulsory to play
2022-08-16 10:32
-100
2022-08-16 10:39
Moroccan flag not found
2022-08-17 15:10
#4
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Sweden Ence_Pence
It's boring I'd rather play a round of checkers than dust2 mm
2022-08-16 08:57
3 replies
+1
2022-08-16 11:12
So don't play it lol
2022-08-16 12:51
1 reply
#117
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Germany Stormraid
most MM answer I've seen in a while
2022-08-16 13:22
#5
Snax | 
Europe Jezynt
1. So fucking boring 2. Very bad looking map 3. Old, not fun to play
2022-08-16 08:57
8 replies
same can be said about every map. opinions just differ but those are not facts
2022-08-16 09:50
7 replies
but facts are that a majority thinks d2 should be removed
2022-08-16 10:40
6 replies
Not really
2022-08-16 10:50
4 replies
yes really
2022-08-16 11:39
3 replies
#87
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Finland d0udy3160
There is more players that thinks overpass should be removed
2022-08-16 11:59
There is more players that thinks Mirage should be removed
2022-08-16 13:31
On hltv yes but most normal people (ppl that don't go on hltv forums) love dust 2
2022-08-16 15:00
i love dust 2 very good map
2022-08-16 11:26
#6
tabseN | 
Germany Ann3
Because you have to use utility 0,1 seconds into the start of a round to go to the B spot without getting killed or damaged as a CT. And the chance of being killed / damaged increases further with better opponents. Edit: I could give you more but you wanted just one (1). And thats a big reason for me tho.
2022-08-16 08:58
8 replies
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Argentina stolz
+1
2022-08-16 09:15
Update your game.
2022-08-16 09:43
Stop playing old D2 version then
2022-08-16 10:03
5 replies
You can just jump down to suicide and shoot crossers from there with boost or even without.
2022-08-16 11:13
4 replies
#77
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Chad kdorek
you can cross closer to the door to make the shoot considerably harder, or jump across (which might get you tagged, sure) But before the change without util you'd get tagged 90% of the rounds it was simply ridiculous
2022-08-16 11:38
3 replies
#81
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Portugal Lost_fly
which makes cts take longer to get to b and increasing the chances of a bunch of bots having a successful b rush
2022-08-16 11:43
1 reply
#84
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Chad kdorek
Well it's risk/reward, admittedly it's better to cross jumping if they're not hitting it often to prevent that more effectively which is a bigger threat to the overall round outcome
2022-08-16 11:50
Yea it can be made harder but its always possible. Whenever im forced to play dust enemy always hits the b crosser on like 90% of rounds if there is no smoke, and even with smoke they hit some.
2022-08-16 12:28
#7
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Scotland Ludax
1. none /closed
2022-08-16 08:59
#8
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North America Straf3R
I think we should have 9 maps instead of 7 tbh. Add cobble and cache back for temporary maps. Or have a rotating map pool of 7 maps with 2 maps changed every 3-6 months. give the community more variety and the teams time to learn new maps without them growing stale.
2022-08-16 09:01
4 replies
#10
tabseN | 
Germany Ann3
I said it more then once, not getting bored to say it again and again: Dont delete any map. Let them be playable and just add more / rework older maps. Dont force the regular player to play certain maps. For the pros you can creat something like a "season pool" (like once a year a new pool) so they dont have to adapt on 94594 maps at once. Also would give some diversity in tournements and not always the same maps over and over again.
2022-08-16 09:07
3 replies
#11
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North America Straf3R
Right?!? reason I say 9 maps tho is for bo5 situations (maybe just for bo5 actually). vetos would get really interesting.
2022-08-16 09:10
2 replies
#22
tabseN | 
Germany Ann3
I can see that for professional play, for sure. But if I want to play cobble, let me play god damn cobble. No need to remove a map at all. At the end of the day the regular player is the ground of a game, not the pro scene itself. I cant understand that they delete certain maps so there is a pool for pros or whatever reason. You always can limit a pool for tournements. Why would you harm, in regretfully of your bigger audiance, your own game.
2022-08-16 09:19
1 reply
+1
2022-08-16 10:37
Remove mirage and vertigo Add cache and tuscan
2022-08-16 09:04
1 reply
Remove dust2 and vertigo/mirage and add cache and tuscan or something
2022-08-16 11:15
trash map
2022-08-16 09:11
1 reply
flag doesn't check out
2022-08-16 11:32
Nooone
2022-08-16 09:11
#15
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Boring as fuck No new strats since 2012 The remake is worse than the original
2022-08-16 09:12
20 replies
And u guys think Train or Nuke is enjoyable kekw
2022-08-16 09:37
13 replies
#28
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Who the fuck mentioned train or nuke
2022-08-16 09:42
3 replies
Me
2022-08-16 09:44
2 replies
#32
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Literally definition of a strawman argument.
2022-08-16 09:45
1 reply
Ok
2022-08-16 09:45
Yes, both those are way better than dust2.
2022-08-16 09:56
5 replies
Lmao
2022-08-16 10:05
4 replies
Just because they are too complicated for you, yes
2022-08-16 10:16
2 replies
Or not everyone has the time you guys have so they cant memorize every single smoke/flash etc. Anyone who isnt braindead is capable of learning every single csgo maps pretty easy. The reason they dont is that its time requiring and some people more like to click heads then "tactical" cs. TLDR Dont get allmighty just because you do learn to play 4-5 maps lmao. Its counter strike not advanced math Edit: In terms of csgo pro scene i dont mind d2 getting cut btw. Even tho i would easily cut ancient right away d2 is pretty old and in pro scene watching more tactical games/maps is better.
2022-08-17 15:08
1 reply
What does nuke not have that every CS map should have? It has A site which requires great utility usage at higher ranks from the T side, B site is more puggy, but requires utility usage outside in yard, of which by the way, if played properly by the CT side, can be an extremely volatile position. A site on CT is easy to defend but extremely easy to mess up and lose a round if someone on your team sucks. Nuke is secretly the staple of CS. For those that played before 1.6, nuke is and always will be the map of CS. Dust 2 was where all the trash kids played because the servers were always filled with drunk people messing around and it was easier.
2022-08-17 15:16
U laugh cause those maps require brain better comms and teamplay. D2 used to like but boring now just hold W and all about who hasbetter spawn and first shoots flashed headshot wins.. mirage m ore overplayed tho whould be changed or replaced
2022-08-16 10:55
Both better than dust. But cache > train
2022-08-16 11:16
Train and Nuke are the best maps
2022-08-16 11:43
1 reply
+1
2022-08-16 12:21
I'm curious how is the remake worse than the original outside of texture quality and HD-ness?
2022-08-16 11:17
5 replies
#76
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Longhouse is too tall for a start. the boxes are less dynamic now now especially in CT spawn & B Site. Tunnel Roof Open. Mid blocked Doors flipped (I dont mind this change tbh) Car is much smaller now you can cover all of it with 1 molotov. (long not B site) The bump on the ground outside B that was perfect for retake flashes was removed. And im sure theres a bunch of other features im forgetting. All I know, is dust2 was my most played map with 370maps played before the change and since is my 3rd most played map with 396 maps played. Which means ive played in 26 times in like 5 years. Maybe its a personal thing but I really miss old dust2
2022-08-16 11:36
4 replies
I think Long-house is more of a balance change since it was way easier to flash and go out long alone as T- now you need the help of teammates. Long happens to be a very important position because if Ts get control and set up in Pit you have sightlines till Goose. I've no idea what you mean by "dynamic" boxes. Wasn't opening Tunnel roof a community (and pros) requested feature? B-execs weren't really a thing before outside of flashing from Tunnels. Same for blocking Mid haha. Though I agree on not blocking Mid- everyone complained about how you have to waste a smoke to cross but I think its parallel to taking Banana control on Inferno where you have to throw a molotov or smoke or a couple flashes and Window/crossing smoke in Mirage. Doors flipped was how it originally was in 1.6. People always wanted this and now we have it. Wasn't Car (Long) a worse position in old Dust II? Moving around was extremely janky. And while I do remember using molotovs there, it wasn't really needed because no one really played there (at least to good effect). Agree with the bump outside B. Personally I think none of the remade maps in their final version are worse than their original counterparts. Except maybe Vertigo, for the B now we only have B-Stairs as the way in while before we also had a window from Mid. I think they should work on Mid to B paths some more.
2022-08-16 12:35
3 replies
#112
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Funny because I prefer every single remake except dust2 & cache. Like I said at the end of my post dust2 might be a personal thing I probably just burned out playing it from 2007-2016. I agree with most of what you said. The B doors I think was a good change. Mid I dislike. I suppose car was an improvement I just miss boosting over the halfwall/scout jump shotting (because it was so easy to jump shot with scout) Also can you tell me if this was a thing or I imagined it because I cant find it anywhere and im gaslighting myself. Couldnt you jump out with a scout counter strafe mid air and it would be accurate right?
2022-08-16 13:01
2 replies
Ah, I forgot about Cache but I like the new changes except maybe the colors which still feels too green. Maybe because I mainly use a green xhair and even cyan and yellow tend to blend in which are my No. 2 and 3 xhair colors. About the scout thing yes, it was accurate but had a very small timing window to pull off successfully.
2022-08-16 16:27
1 reply
#150
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Thats what I thought thanks. About cache, yeah I agree make it less green please for the love of god. And I would prefer the mid window to be removed though I can deal with it.
2022-08-16 16:28
#16
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Romania Belong2Rvr
Haters gonna hate ... but CSGO is Dust2 since CS 1.6 I cant see Csgo without this map . Haters have other maps to choice from if they dont liek to play dust2
2022-08-16 09:13
1 reply
Dust 2 came out 2 years after Nuke. The real OGs played Nuke. The trash kids played D2
2022-08-17 15:21
1. so fuking boring 2. random russian fanatics with awp spamming everywhere 3. 2many turks play it and rush short every round
2022-08-16 09:14
Many russians on this map and many kids with no brain ( i noticed that only on d2 )
2022-08-16 09:15
Most spawn based map
2022-08-16 09:16
If another map were to come in then here's some reasons why it would replace dust 2 1). Ancient and Vertigo are too new to be replaced 2). Mirage, Nuke and Inferno are too popular and...good to be replaced 3). That means it's Overpass or Dust on the chopping block and Overpass is an incredibly unique and fun map to play
2022-08-16 09:17
7 replies
Dust 2 is %10000000 more popular than Nuke
2022-08-16 09:38
5 replies
#47
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Bhutan Evis1337
dust2 is the most popular map in any video game ever lol. people who never even played cs or any other shooting game know dust2.
2022-08-16 10:14
3 replies
According to leetify.com, mirage and inferno are more played maps (popular) than dust2
2022-08-16 12:29
#105
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Other KittyVN
he means popular as in times played and that is true cause dust2 is the second most played map still after mirage
2022-08-16 12:51
1 reply
#116
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Bhutan Evis1337
literally irrelevant what's most played in pugs. dust2 is the face of competitive shooter. mirage is only played more cuz people have shit computers and dust2 is 50 fps while mirage is 150 fps
2022-08-16 13:20
Stop hyping dust, it will only help you if you are after turkish men
2022-08-16 11:19
Nice to see someone in this thread actually give some actual reasons if and why dust could be removed.
2022-08-16 13:34
i think a dust2 redesign could be warranted, i think closing off mid hasn't been an amazing move looking back
2022-08-16 09:22
6 replies
#26
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North America hi_mens))
The mid change is fucking dog shit and has only served to make the map more imbalanced. It needs a serious rework
2022-08-16 09:38
2 replies
It was shit before the change and even worse now
2022-08-16 11:20
1 reply
#107
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North America hi_mens))
+1 agreed
2022-08-16 12:53
d2 needs underground pass from lower tunel to ct spawn vietnam style only way to rework it
2022-08-16 12:49
2 replies
would lowkey make it more ct sided though... even harder for t to take lower tunnels control since ct can hold that angle
2022-08-16 13:16
1 reply
but it splits mid presence and invests more resources from ct, makes long take easier to example
2022-08-16 13:54
#24
juho | 
Finland nUgez
most boring
2022-08-16 09:36
Dust 2 imo is too basic for any tournament play.. just not many options to for team tactics. If you have good aimers you will win. Feels like a map for dumb people.
2022-08-16 09:42
2 replies
+1 exactly.
2022-08-16 09:57
#57
FMz | 
Belgium rpRj
+1 and Im a dumb player with good aim
2022-08-16 10:50
bestest map
2022-08-16 09:46
#35
jks | 
Denmark rolade
Very cramped map so oppotunity for CT to not just camp behind (Mid-door, B-Site or A-long/Site) is not there. Map like Mirage/Vertigo/Inferno you got more than 2 options to enter a site.
2022-08-16 09:48
only map that i find viable to play using only scout/awp in every single non-pistol round pretty satisfactory when you get called a cheater (while you aren't actually using cheats) by the opponent team and sometimes even by one of your team mates i even got kicked once by my own team in mm because they were a 4 man stack and thought that i was cheating lmao
2022-08-16 09:53
Remove dust2 and add tuscan back.
2022-08-16 09:57
there is no true reason, its just that its overplayed
2022-08-16 09:58
remove dust2, inferno, mirage, nuke, overpass, vertigo, and ancient. Train, cache, and tuscan are also trash. Cobblestone only.
2022-08-16 10:05
no reason? already been reworked + patched several times, literally not even top3 maps in line for getting removed reported for useless thread
2022-08-16 10:11
#46
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North America Dugaid
Its boring to cast... give me train back pls
2022-08-16 10:12
it shouldnt, its good map. i like to watch it but not playing it that much
2022-08-16 10:25
Awp too op on d2
2022-08-16 10:27
Poor, outdated strats. Aim-heavy map.
2022-08-16 10:35
2 replies
#108
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Other KittyVN
Aim-heavy map is exactly why it is nice to have cause it is different in that way from most other maps
2022-08-16 12:53
1 reply
Mirage is kinda aim-heavy as well as vertigo to some extent. Plus dust2 is just so old its very hard to find smth new and interesting.
2022-08-16 17:45
It's decent but pretty boring to watch imo, the map is really simple and I feel like every full buy round looks exactly the same
2022-08-16 10:45
#59
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Sweden frizzahh
Boring, outdated
2022-08-16 10:52
#61
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Denmark Mursten
1. Retakes are hard 2. Only long range duels which makes the awp op 3. mid is stupid 4. The long fight sucks and if you don't take it you probably won't win 5. It's clearly one of the most disliked maps by the community
2022-08-16 10:57
#62
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Russia RogueDecay
cba, old dust2 goated, I down to remove anything except nuke/inf. I need cobble/cache in my life, in all seriousness if map pool will continue to look sucky I might consider stop following cs.
2022-08-16 11:05
#70
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Czech Republic Scalio
GOATEDmap
2022-08-16 11:21
#71
HooXi | 
Sweden souI
people who cant aim hate dust 2 and mirage, this is factual
2022-08-16 11:25
1 reply
i like dust 2 but no mirage can i aim
2022-08-16 11:36
So random
2022-08-16 11:33
D2 legendary map. People who wants it to be removed are not from 1.6 era..
2022-08-16 11:41
No reason, it's a legendary and signature cs map
2022-08-16 11:42
cant believe anyone mentioned this yet?? but dust2 is shit because its wayy too much rng with the spawns, if you get unlucky spawns you can never take long as T for example. Also the skybox is shit, very stale and closed off tactics, very slow T rotations, all around it results in very boring gameplay.
2022-08-16 11:45
#85
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Sweden multib
It's broken but it's home <3 can't imagine cs without dust2
2022-08-16 11:50
No reason
2022-08-16 11:50
#88
NiKo | 
Germany Booya
Because its a shitty Aim Map, depends often on heavy luck (blind shots into A long Doors), AWP heavy (which is always a sign for a bad Map), its fucking boring not just because its as old as the World but its so underwhelming uncomplex that everyone who plays CS since 2000 just fekkn hate this Map and it shows one of the biggest problems of CS ... the non existing will of bring up at least a little bit progress to the Game ... the biggest leaps in CS in the last 20 Years were the Molotov and Cache ... and yes they fucked up Cache later again. Its ridicilous how some people hang on this Map especially Low Tier Player who even didnt understand this simple Map (showing up mid and get shot by AWP because they´re to fucking dumb to align a Box Smoke) ... there´s a reason why its the least played Map on Majors... i.redd.it/qkwy6o4in9y71.jpg
2022-08-16 12:02
remove and add fnatic 4 awp grafitti back.
2022-08-16 12:03
#90
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Portugal whatanoob
After watching hundreds of early round A Long battles, I find it hard to argue against at least making significant adjustments to the map. You can't possibly convince me that's good Counter Strike to play or to watch, and that's just one of the issues I have with the map, but probably the biggest one.
2022-08-16 12:16
No reason to... better remove garbage maps like shitferno or mirage
2022-08-16 12:18
o l d b o r i n g but i would rather them remove Nuke / Train on faceit and bring back Cache.
2022-08-16 12:22
#96
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Finland Colikko
Boring.
2022-08-16 12:29
#97
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Austria Lord_Fox
- You have to use utility instantly after the round starts, so that terrorists can't see how many CTs are on B (A) - As an AWPer i think it is very overpowered to play AWP on CT when you know that your mate is holding Long / Short, same counts for B site, you can easily hold B with AWP, when you have a second player on B that checks mid and helps you if enemies push B - Mid to B is way more effective then anything you could go for on A Still i wouldn't remove Dust. Increase the mappool from 7 to 9. If they should remove a map it should be Overpass imo
2022-08-16 12:30
literally no reasons flag btw
2022-08-16 12:36
dust2 is a pit for toxic russians and blatant cheaters, same as a pit for rats on the island of some random dudes grandma, so let dust2 be
2022-08-16 12:38
mirage worse all day
2022-08-16 12:38
Everyone knows Dust2, even people who dont even play the game. So for spectators its a perfect map. It makes it easier for the large audience to watch pro-matches
2022-08-16 12:47
1 reply
#118
NiKo | 
Germany Booya
its by far the worst Map for Spectators, it so fucking boring to watch this Map its F Tier!
2022-08-16 13:24
#106
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Czech Republic BlastTM
it is so spawn based
2022-08-16 12:52
1 reply
#120
NiKo | 
Germany Booya
+1 this is one of the key factors too ... you can play Mr15 and never have a good long Spwan as a full eqiuped Terror
2022-08-16 13:29
#109
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Hungary H0bbesCS
tbh its so bad, so boring, yet its home and even tho i hate the map itself i simultaneously love to see it because its legacy.
2022-08-16 12:56
#111
NEO | 
Poland sedi
we need some time to miss this map again
2022-08-16 13:00
because the map is awful and sandy
2022-08-16 13:04
#115
ANa | 
Romania Mr_God
'cause I want to see NAVI playing Vertigo instead of Dust2
2022-08-16 13:19
A long
2022-08-16 13:28
Dust 2 is iconic and it's the face of Counter-Strike, i wouldn't remove it, just rework it. The map i would like to see back is definitely cache / train / cobble. We had so much fun back then with this maps, specially with train and cobble. I remember flipsid3 upseting someone on cobble and making me 80€ on csgolounge, damn yes! Would remove nuke. It feels like watching one game again and again, same position same strats and it's really boring.
2022-08-16 13:34
3 replies
You would remove the best map we have in the pool currently. Interesting.
2022-08-16 13:35
2 replies
I didn't say mirage, overpass or ancient imo
2022-08-17 03:52
1 reply
Yes, I know you were talking about opinion. I wasn't.
2022-08-17 14:56
RNG spawn spots. Made for awp abusing. Dogshit map, bring back Cache
2022-08-16 13:36
Dust2 is the perfect CS map, ingenious design
2022-08-16 13:41
I'd rather see ancient or vertigo removed and cache making a comeback.
2022-08-16 13:43
It was the least played map at the last major ( hltv.org/stats/maps?event=6372 ) and also the least played map at IEM Cologne ( hltv.org/stats/maps?event=6140 ), RNG spawn spots, it's very boring to watch and play
2022-08-16 13:56
2 replies
Also was the least played map at Katowice this year ( hltv.org/stats/maps?event=6136 ), basically no one wants to play it at t1
2022-08-16 13:57
1 reply
Nice post, and good argument for removing the map from the competitive pool.
2022-08-16 15:21
Full aim no brain map
2022-08-16 14:06
1 reply
yeah, thats why noob aimers keeps malding at it xD
2022-08-16 14:12
Dogshit
2022-08-16 14:10
#140
ropz | 
Czech Republic StetD
The only reason why D2 should not be removed next is that Overpass should be removed first. Such a boring map, all round play out the same etc. People keep crying about Mirage but thats simply cuz its been in the map pool for ages. But there is a good reason for it, inspite of the fact that Mirage has been there for the longest, it is still the most exciting map to watch and most games on the map between top teams do deliver.
2022-08-16 14:15
it's stale as fuck been pretty much the same shit for 20+ years over different game versions and would need significant changes to let us have anything other than the same 4 executes every game.
2022-08-16 14:45
1. best aim map
2022-08-16 14:51
Because big won't have their map pick and ppl will make save tabsen threads
2022-08-16 14:58
oversaving, lack of tactical depth, same utility, no new features. It's iconic, but it needs to be reworked at least
2022-08-16 16:32
It's a warmup map, not a tactical map. Same with Mirage. Inferno, however, is just boring to play and kind of boring to watch at times. Final thought: All three maps should be removed and replaced.
2022-08-16 16:33
1 reply
inferno >
2022-08-17 14:58
Best map ever!
2022-08-16 19:32
I never play this map soo... oh maybe only DM
2022-08-17 08:07
boring map + worst b site in the game best a site though
2022-08-17 15:05
Let me see into lowers from T spawn and I don't care
2022-08-17 15:29
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