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Y REMOVE VERTIGO?
France cake1 
Name one (1) reason to remove de_vertigo from the official competitive map pool.
2022-08-18 08:57
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#1
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Brazil MIBR_IS_BAD
2 radars
2022-08-18 08:58
11 replies
So remove Nuke then?
2022-08-18 09:34
10 replies
yes -nuke -vert +tuscan +d2_short
2022-08-18 10:04
9 replies
not bad tbh
2022-08-18 10:51
Tuscan is so bad, hopefully doesn't get into the competitive pool till some big changes are made
2022-08-18 10:57
5 replies
If it was added stuff would get fixed super fast cuz pro whine
2022-08-18 15:32
2 replies
ancient added then not updated for like 6+ months btw XD
2022-08-19 16:15
1 reply
well not bugs.l..
2022-08-19 17:02
#153
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Chad kdorek
tbh Anubis is better
2022-08-19 13:52
1 reply
I are think that too
2022-08-19 14:03
tuscan has 2 radars
2022-08-19 17:04
1 reply
damn you are right. do we have any extra de_dust2 versions besides de_dust2 and de_dust2_short?
2022-08-19 17:47
1. its boring 2. noone plays it 3. trash design
2022-08-18 08:58
23 replies
One of the best maps to play
2022-08-18 08:59
10 replies
no, who starts ct automatically wins. 0/8 map
2022-08-18 08:59
8 replies
hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2022-05-18.. most t-sided map after inferno, nt
2022-08-18 09:04
7 replies
never played it so can't tell. only wingman and #7
2022-08-18 09:10
6 replies
> never played it > #7 KEK
2022-08-18 09:22
4 replies
Lmao
2022-08-18 09:34
#45
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Germany tilted_up
Typical HLTV d2 Mirage only Players will hate on maps they never really played.
2022-08-18 09:52
#66
Snax | 
Europe Jezynt
Smartest Vertigo hater
2022-08-18 11:20
1 reply
yeah, he should make alt acc with that name
2022-08-18 11:48
#74
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Germany 4ntoN
typical gold nova bot
2022-08-18 11:33
#110
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Brazil AWFenrir
+1
2022-08-18 14:38
typical mirage grinder, who doesn't want to try smth new. 1. vertigo one of the freshest maps, and super enjoyable 2. many people play it, even tho quantity doesn't show good map or bad, only quality, and vertigo is one of the kind in mappool which makes it intresting to play. 3. ratio
2022-08-18 09:15
6 replies
1. #7 2. no because i never found it in mm 3. counter ratio
2022-08-18 09:16
3 replies
1. #12 2. how about choose it, so you can find it? 3. counter counter ratio
2022-08-18 09:18
2 replies
1. #18 2. i do choose in mm and in wingman and it only found it 2 times in wingman 3. counter counter counter ratio
2022-08-18 09:21
1 reply
1. #31 2. #31 3. counter counter coumter-terrorist ratio
2022-08-18 09:25
#47
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Czech Republic JameS_19
+1
2022-08-18 09:55
#111
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Brazil AWFenrir
+1
2022-08-18 14:39
#64
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Lithuania CSLeaks
no brains for other maps play only low brains kids with potato pc map shit mirage and after cry on other maps
2022-08-18 11:16
3 replies
i get more fps than you
2022-08-18 11:56
2 replies
#168
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Lithuania CSLeaks
in your dreams maby
2022-08-20 14:41
1 reply
no lol your flag + flair combo = intel hd graphics user
2022-08-20 15:00
dumb take. vertigo requires better audio cues/hearing than other maps. this is why casuals hate it because it requires a higher skill ceiling and awareness.
2022-08-18 15:35
Couldn't find any
2022-08-18 08:58
#4
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Brazil 0mega_
AWP abusers get mad they cant AWP abuse in every map
2022-08-18 08:58
3 replies
+1
2022-08-18 08:59
but its reason to play it
2022-08-18 10:00
+1
2022-08-18 21:58
Vertigo>Ancient Idk why would Valve keep such a shitty map still in pool, -Ancient +Anubis/Cobble would be awesome
2022-08-18 08:59
#9
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Canada zizzle21
the rotates are fukcing stupid
2022-08-18 09:00
2 replies
#46
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Germany tilted_up
How are the rotates fcking stupid? You have plenty of options like on any other map. Sure, if you need to reclaim a Bombspot it becomes super difficult but this is like on every other map. Try reclaim d2 Bombspot for example. Or rotation on Inferno from A to B.
2022-08-18 09:55
1 reply
#137
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Canada zizzle21
no its mainly how short they r for both sides and how you can hear everything as CT... also the way mid works is stupid imo... if u kill 2 mid you can barely take it without getting shot in the back by 2 more rotates that are literally 3 seconds away... the map works 100% I just don't like the dynamics of the rotates... prefer something like cobble, tuscan or Anubis
2022-08-18 21:52
bad for tournament viewership since it's 40 minutes of smoke spams on pro level but I'm afraid tuscan will be the same
2022-08-18 09:00
6 replies
#49
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Germany tilted_up
Or inferno, or Ancient, or or or … yes it’s part of the game, get over it.
2022-08-18 09:56
5 replies
it's not even close to vertigo levels bruh, not every banana or cave fight is a smoke spam
2022-08-18 10:45
4 replies
bro inferno B is the exact same
2022-08-18 11:42
3 replies
I understand where you come from, but IMO time spent for smoke-spams on VER is way longer than on any of other maps in competitive map pool on INF it's a thing mostly before executes, while in post-plant oftentimes Ts only smoke out CT spawn and then CT players going in with flashes or wait it out, it's rare to see a full fledged attempts to out-spam Ts or deploy retake smokes right in sites (CTs mostly go for banana smoke if anything) so it's way less random while on vertigo you smoke-spam as T, CT, pre-plant, during the plant and post-plant as well and it's not a situational thing but a legit strategy
2022-08-18 12:05
2 replies
for almost every smoke that gets dropped, there is somebody spamming it on every map. Just for example D2: corner smoke, box smoke, x box smoke, b tunnel and door smoke, and getting kills through the double smoke on crossover is so common; also whatever one way smokes you throw on short, it gets shot and naded at every single time. The only site without a ton of smoke spams in comp map pool are like ovp a site and mirage b (dogshit with or without smoke spam).
2022-08-18 14:51
1 reply
true, but even then, on d2 there's plenty of space to dodge the spams altogether and if anything you play on the edge of smokes or watch for tracers rather than just spam every known lineup also sites themselves are bigger on pretty much all other maps
2022-08-18 15:06
Vertical maps don't work in CSGO. It's hard to tell whether audio is above or below and radar is also not good.
2022-08-18 09:08
8 replies
#16
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Still nuke goatest map
2022-08-18 09:08
3 replies
Yes nuke gets an exception for legacy reasons but no new vertical maps.
2022-08-18 09:09
2 replies
#19
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
+1
2022-08-18 09:10
1 reply
+1, overpass is a good vertical map2
2022-08-18 15:48
#44
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Other Zollbit
I agree that sound can be an issue sometimes but I personally love vertical maps and think having 1 or 2 of them in the map pool is healthy for the game (casual and competitive). If source 2 ever happens I hope this means they can improve directional sound I heard it's quite good in half-life alex. Also, vertigo has concrete on both floors while nuke has different types of floor. That make it a lot easier to distinguish what level the player is on.
2022-08-18 09:49
After playing vertigo several times I can say this is a you skill issue
2022-08-18 11:22
1 reply
definitely a skill issue, if you have trouble hearing what level a player is on you have bad headphones or just inexperienced
2022-08-18 11:45
I play with volume 0.2 and windows vol at like 30-40% and hear everything perfectly. Also im pretty low iq so thats a shit argument tbh
2022-08-18 11:56
#15
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Most boring map to watch there is no variety in executes, also shit design and boring to play
2022-08-18 09:08
21 replies
+1
2022-08-18 09:24
#50
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Germany tilted_up
WTF … I bet you didn’t even play 10 games on that map
2022-08-18 09:58
9 replies
#61
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
I haven't because I can't stand how bad the map is
2022-08-18 11:02
8 replies
#72
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Poland moistu
expected from mirage abuser
2022-08-18 11:26
7 replies
#97
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
I play dust and nuke I hate mirage too NT tho
2022-08-18 12:39
6 replies
#108
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Poland moistu
I return my honor
2022-08-18 14:32
''I play dust, vertigo is boring'' bro? The same strats has been happening on d2 past 20 years, wake up lmao
2022-08-18 22:01
4 replies
Yes but as shit as dust may be it's the most iconic map ever which makes it the best map
2022-08-19 06:12
3 replies
Most iconic is not the same as best, though?
2022-08-19 16:11
2 replies
It is because not for its design or whatever but for its legacy and history on the game, if valve ever removes dust which they won't it's like cod removing nuketown
2022-08-19 16:13
1 reply
It still does not equate to the bset map gameplay wise, lore wise? history wise? sure, but deffo not gameplay? xd
2022-08-19 16:13
+1
2022-08-18 10:07
#69
Snax | 
Europe Jezynt
D2, Mirage? 90% of games t's wait in front of key spots
2022-08-18 11:23
1 reply
#98
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
D2 is aim map, I don't play mirage either
2022-08-18 12:39
+1, Vertigo is by far the worst map in the pool. I hope they will -mirage -vert +tuscan +anubis after major
2022-08-18 11:36
6 replies
#99
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
+1 Anubis underrated but I would rather cache instead of tuscan
2022-08-18 12:40
5 replies
New cache is shit and looks like they abandoned it, Tuscan will be added 100%
2022-08-18 13:07
4 replies
No I didn't mean weed farm cache I meant the old cache
2022-08-18 13:10
nt prokda
2022-08-18 14:42
Only me who liked season?
2022-08-18 22:01
1 reply
I liked season a lot too, I hope they bring it back sometime.
2022-08-18 23:28
better map than overpass and ancient
2022-08-18 09:17
2 replies
#10, but name and flag checks out
2022-08-18 09:24
Overpass? Best map in the pool
2022-08-18 09:37
I like to watch it, but I don't like to play it. Audio confuses me tons.
2022-08-18 09:17
3 replies
it really isn’t that hard, if you play it a few times you’ll learn the audio queues
2022-08-18 11:47
2 replies
Idk i have about 150 games on vertigo and i still cant tell if is rush b or rush mid when im holding middle xd
2022-08-19 07:53
1 reply
yea agreed thats probably the most tricky one haha, i have 500+ games on vertigo and I can usually tell where someone is from just audio
2022-08-19 13:03
#28
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Russia VJovahV
#15 already said all I was going to say myself
2022-08-18 09:18
no map is unbalanced since everyone is playing the exactly same map
2022-08-18 09:21
#35
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Ukraine Bumbas_cat
noone plays it -vertigo -inferno +cobble +train
2022-08-18 09:28
1 reply
c9, cph flames, furia, liquid and every academy team begs to differ
2022-08-18 11:49
#36
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Finland RPGWiZaRD
Because it's boring and the map needs redesign. With some redesign maybe it could turn into a decent map though, hopefully they'd do that at some point.
2022-08-18 09:31
Remove Mirage Trash and boring map, needs an update Only no game sense noobs playing it
2022-08-18 09:34
8 replies
+1
2022-08-18 09:37
#70
Snax | 
Europe Jezynt
+1
2022-08-18 11:24
+1
2022-08-18 11:49
+1
2022-08-18 13:12
#112
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Brazil AWFenrir
+1
2022-08-18 14:41
+1 Mirage is dog shit
2022-08-18 15:37
Thanks for admitting your aim is dogshit
2022-08-19 13:05
1 reply
Nt, theres more than just aim. Im 4K elo, and have a crisp aim, but dont wanna play only aim every single round. Thats the most boring ever
2022-08-23 17:34
#38
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Other JANELAAA
Its by far the most boring map to watch in tournaments. Smoke ramp, spam ramp every round
2022-08-18 09:34
I recently played it a few times and I have to say it’s better than expected
2022-08-18 09:41
Verticality, they cannot do it right. Also the A ramp + scaffolding need a redesign, it's just dogshit as it is, it is just an utility dump. Middle & B are kind of OK. I would also remove the metallic material on the bridge going to A, this shit gives too much of a clue if you're willing to rush A. Overall the map is OK, but it still needs a lot of work.
2022-08-18 09:56
4 replies
you know you can just jump over the metallic thing or just shift over it, lmao
2022-08-18 11:51
3 replies
1. no cause of the short ceiling 2. shifting =/= rush Also if just talking about watching the map being played, it sucks because most of kills are being done through smokes.
2022-08-18 13:21
2 replies
yes u can jump over it, if u didnt know this ur a noob on vertigo and shouldnt talk about it like u know the map well.
2022-08-18 14:01
#146
juho | 
Finland nUgez
basic movement :D
2022-08-19 07:39
#52
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Germany tilted_up
Vertigo is one hell of a nice map, people just hate it because they can’t play on it. ‚Smoke ramp, spam through every round‘, yeah sure. Maybe try an B execute one of 15 rounds. Oh wait, you need flashes and boost and a smile for that. IMPOSSIBLE, GO BACK TO RAMP!
2022-08-18 10:00
1 reply
Imo you got a fair point when it comes to playing it, like how tough it can be. But I guess most of the users here are not really about how to play it, it is more like if its enjoyable to watch and the map is def worst map to watch. Its like watching them getting spammed every time through A ramp and 90% of the whole time the team tries to push A, because B execute is just rough as you said yourself.
2022-08-18 12:35
I don't like it
2022-08-18 10:03
you can tilt your head horizontal so your earphones get on top and bottom. this way you can tell by the soundques which floor is it
2022-08-18 10:05
2 replies
just like dogs do
2022-08-18 11:51
1 reply
yes, exactly
2022-08-19 06:06
#58
frozen | 
Europe x1fy
vertigoatmap
2022-08-18 10:49
i dont mind playing it, but watching pro teams playing vertigo is boring as fuck x)
2022-08-18 11:03
i dont like to play vertigo, but its pretty fun to watch
2022-08-18 11:05
#65
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Lithuania CSLeaks
bigest shit ever is mirage valve will remove this low brain kids with potato pc map permament and kids will cry.
2022-08-18 11:17
#67
cyx | 
Brazil b0unz
is too laggy
2022-08-18 11:22
#71
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Poland moistu
Vertigo are good map just remove Dust or Mirage
2022-08-18 11:24
it's something fresh and new/diffrent but watching it is just boring because it's A ramp simulator
2022-08-18 11:31
#85
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Denmark Mursten
All fights on this map are just smokespams
2022-08-18 11:53
It suxx.
2022-08-18 11:54
remove shitty dust2
2022-08-18 11:57
Worst map ever introduced to the game, it is trash and its unplayable, you cant have fun on it ... Personally I have 85% lose on it.
2022-08-18 11:58
it's a stupid design, people call mirage stale but no map has as little variety on the T side as vertigo, nobody plays it, nothing notable ever happens on the map, it looks ugly as well.
2022-08-18 12:08
1 reply
#128
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
wait until you see inferno then
2022-08-18 15:38
#94
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Cause it destroyed NA's second chance at major.
2022-08-18 12:16
2 replies
Wtf I love vertigo now
2022-08-19 13:05
1 reply
#152
Xyp9x | 
India NinX
Same.
2022-08-19 13:50
Worst map
2022-08-18 12:23
there is no reason, its just a map that people dont like for no reason
2022-08-18 12:44
#102
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Brazil flytw4tp
boring map plus G2 can't play in it so it's a win for us
2022-08-18 13:07
It’s boring, broken and too vertical. Even watching Ancient is more fun. They need to bring back Cache and add Tuscan.
2022-08-18 13:09
#109
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Egypt driveriTo
so many angles to check, ct sided
2022-08-18 14:35
the often heard -vertigo -ancient +cbble +cache is so braindead. it would only leave nuke and the hardcore overplayed inferno as the only remarkable and unique maps in the pool. All cache, mirage, dust, cbble are those very generic double lane maps, and overpass has the signature trait of being just big. At least rework train or hard rework cobble. Or leave the good bombsites on cache and put a non-cancerous layout to it. Despite ancient being very questionable, it still has a better mid area than cache with a very similar idea. I would completely remove mirage or dust 2 (one of them, preferrably mirage) for literally any map and hard rework one of the generic ones or vertigo.
2022-08-18 15:05
#118
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Italy Skye620
It shouldn’t be. Remove overpass as it’s too big of a map or remove dust 2 as its so overdone. Hell remove them both so it forces teams to learn a new map rather than just permaban whatever the new map is. That’ll shake things up a bit
2022-08-18 15:09
#119
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United States 1Tuurtle
Reason's not to remove it: Dust 2 is in the competitive map pool
2022-08-18 15:28
-vertigo -ancient +cache +cobble for anniversary :)
2022-08-18 15:33
1) Gives vertigo while playing vertigo even hearing calls gives me vertigo so no vertigo for me.
2022-08-18 15:37
#129
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CIS E5KH
i don't care what maps they remove but i want +tuscan +anubis
2022-08-18 15:39
1 reply
+tuscan without changes is impossible. The map is horrible at the moment
2022-08-19 14:04
#131
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
-d2 -inferno. yes, they're classics but they're both pretty boring tbh. nothing new ever happens. same with mirage tbh +cache/new map +new map
2022-08-18 15:44
there is no reason. best map
2022-08-18 21:59
The main reason would be it's not fun to watch, but D2 should be removed first. It's even less fun.
2022-08-18 22:00
I like vertigo
2022-08-19 08:01
Vertigo is one of the most fun map to play in level 6 or so, but when it comes to pro level, it is all about shooting trough smokes. Vertigo needs some changes so the map won't be that execute heavy.
2022-08-19 14:08
no its the best map in cs
2022-08-19 16:14
#162
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Sweden frizzahh
Bcs its the worst map to play/watch in current map pool
2022-08-19 16:17
can't find one,sorry mate
2022-08-19 17:10
This thread is so dumb, the reason why it won't ever get added is because it's a community made map. And valve now a days only adds maps that they have a heavy influence on, look at cache, look at cobble. They didn't have a healthy influence on those maps. You are most likely to see mirage be removed and/or updated, then dust be removed cause it's dust 2...and new train be put in. Or overpass getting a rehaul and another valve map put in.
2022-08-19 18:29
is it actually gone?
2022-08-20 15:06
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