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Top 10 Riflers 2022
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Latvia Comzie 
Open to debate, just eye test wise as of this year 1. NiKo 2. Ax1le 3. YEKINDAR 4. Spinx 5. Twistzz 6. B1t 7. Stavn 8. electronic 9. rain 10. ropz
2022-09-04 00:32
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1. Ax1le Edit: BlameF should be on the list
2022-09-04 00:34
22 replies
For me Ax1le lacks maps actually played so its a small sample size and NiKo feels overshadowed imo just because this year hasn't been the exact same as the last season in 2021, his best season Really close for me tho
2022-09-04 00:34
20 replies
I really think we are underestimating Ax1le impact here. Both him and Sh1ro are the only players having TRUE impact on C9. While in G2 you have NiKo/Hunter and M0nesy ( Before roster change ). Ax1le has less maps but all events he played he had absolute monster impact, which isn't the same case for NiKo. So i think it should be. 1. Ax1le 2. NiKo Which is my opinion, we don't have to agree with each other here.
2022-09-04 00:38
14 replies
That's somewhat true, interz and nafany have chipped in pretty much what they have to give, they just have a weak link in hobbit, Considering how good high up the duo of Ax1le / Sh1ro is isn't really that all different firepower wise from those 3 Niko > / = Ax1le and Hunter / m0nesy combined just about better than sh1ro. I think just basing off watching their gameplay and impact I just find NiKo more entertaining to watch and can turn more rounds around, we can agree to disagree tho
2022-09-04 00:39
4 replies
More entertaining to watch has nothing to do with having more impact or being better. Broky is currently the player i support the most and for me he also is the funniest player and most entertaining to watch and that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best player in the game. ( Just an example )
2022-09-04 00:41
3 replies
That's a fair point, can't really argue against it but not really entertaining to watch a player if his impact is low at the same time, I enjoy to watch him in terms of explosiveness and abillity to create rounds from little to nothing at times, generally just his ability with a rifle imo is superior to Ax1les
2022-09-04 00:44
2 replies
I agree with what you said at the end. But the list is about top 10 riflers 2022 ( And i think you mean, so far, not whole 2022 :)) - Which means that ax1le has been better so far ( Eye test, not stat wise )). But it's fine. We can both agree that they're right behind each other :)
2022-09-04 00:46
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id agree that Niko is better and will finish above ax1le at the end of the year. being able to turn rounds on its head like Niko can. imo is round impact potential that is a quality a top rifler should have. (specially the 1st place rifler of the year of we are going to call it that, how could you be the best rifler without this quality while one below has it in spades ?) other examples of points are consistency its way harder to achieve on a rifle then an awp. both are consistent for their team. for example this is where blamef shines the most out of all the riflers this year.
2022-09-24 15:51
NiKo has more impact in 2022, 0.01 less rating because he dies less and has a lower KAST. I dont see how that is your point of debate
2022-09-04 00:47
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NiKo doesn't have more impact in 2022. Not in stats and not with eye test either. hltv.org/stats/players/16555/ax1le?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa.. Check against top 5 and top 10 teams. Ax1le impact gets even better. If you think i'm being biased by any chance. NiKo is my fav rifler of all time. This is a pointless debate
2022-09-04 00:51
7 replies
sorting by LAN is useless, sort by big events, in big events he is still better than NiKo but LAN is a useless stat when important events/qualifiers where he shows up aren't counted. the only stats that are different are DPR, and KAST, two stats that aren't fair to compare. Also if Ax1le played more events I would be confident in putting him above NiKo but he farmed at Funspark, played insane at dallas, just want to see more C9 :/
2022-09-04 00:54
6 replies
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Germany 4ntoN
lmao
2022-09-04 00:55
2 replies
My exact thought, but i wanted to reply properly. Check DM when you have time btw.
2022-09-04 00:57
1 reply
#46
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Germany 4ntoN
NA truly never disappoints on HLTV
2022-09-04 01:01
Funspark. I literally filtered top 20. You had 1 top 20 team there i believe. Either way, u ended up agreeing with me. "Played insane at dallas" should give you even more reasons to believe that he's had an insane 2022 so far. NiKo had no out of this world event yet this year. Other than qualifiers. They're really close to each other, but i truly believe that ax1le has been better in 2022 so far.
2022-09-04 00:57
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Played insane at dallas, and then underperformed in relation to his best events, NiKo is consistently amazing except for at EPL (where they had no IGL and the best IGL to ever touch the game had to IGL). C9 just needs to play more.
2022-09-04 01:02
Ax1le won a trophy and mvp Thats important also
2022-09-24 15:57
he played like 20 more maps due to blast which ax1le cannot participate in and esl isn't done yet. not really fair to take that as a legit argument against ax1le who has better numbers and won an MVP.
2022-09-04 00:37
1 reply
Can also consider funspark ulti for about 10 maps boost but each for their own niko with blast and vice versa, I'm not bothered about numbers here, if I was stavn and blameF would be up there rather who can turn a game around more and who seems to provide more individually with a rifle and be impressive while doing it
2022-09-04 00:42
"Ax1le lacks maps" Puts yekindar in top 3
2022-09-24 15:56
1 reply
And what, I put Ax1le in top 3 aswell, I guess neither of them are top 3 either then with my logic. It was a debate between NiKo and Ax1le.
2022-09-24 15:59
also ax1le's lows have been at online roobet cup where as niko's lows are at pro league and cologne which are the big events so ax1le is better
2022-09-25 03:43
#82
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1
2022-09-24 02:52
#2
Rice | 
Brazil ricca
fer better than all these bots
2022-09-04 00:32
Ax1Le switch with Niko, twistzz higher and it looks decent.
2022-09-04 00:33
I think that it is not yet possible to rank them
2022-09-04 00:33
2 replies
This is just bias, based on eye test as of so far in the year, which rifler looks the best as of 2022 so far
2022-09-04 00:35
Of course it is mate, Comzie literally just did it.
2022-09-04 00:35
undoubtly twistzz should be 1st
2022-09-04 00:33
1 reply
Undoubtedly 0/8
2022-09-04 01:02
if u put yekindar at 3 then elige has to be on the list
2022-09-04 00:33
2 replies
Probably deserved but the top 5-10 is really tight pretty good few other candidates who deserve to be there like frozen and what not
2022-09-04 00:36
elige kinda fell off until cologne. realistically he could be there now if you only include matches since the start of cologne but in terms of this whole year, probably not
2022-09-04 01:21
Niko Yekindar Spinx
2022-09-04 00:34
1 reply
nonsense
2022-09-04 00:40
bro forgor blamef
2022-09-04 00:38
4 replies
In terms of stats and HLTV ranking he's up there, but just eye test wise, BlameF really ain't all that impressive to watch and won't really blow your mind
2022-09-04 00:40
3 replies
He's ropz but better
2022-09-24 15:32
1 reply
ropz but better at baiting
2022-09-24 15:38
thats just his playstyle but he has some of the best aim in cs
2022-09-25 02:58
Who cares fashr best
2022-09-04 00:39
1) Zywoo
2022-09-04 00:44
#22
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United States 1Tuurtle
IMO 1. Niko 2. Axile 3. Spinx 4. Twistzzz 5. Bit 6. BlameF 7. Yekindar 8. Elige 9. Ropz 10. Rain/Flamez/Patsi/roej/frozen idk
2022-09-04 00:44
13 replies
Fair list, but how tf BlameF get up there, stats aside imo he ain't fun to watch he's a consistant pillar who just get's kills which don't really have any glammer to them, my list is based on individual ability to have high impact with a rifle in a unlikely situation and in general be able to win duals which you most likely shouldn't. Might not be a good way of phrasing it but you get the general idea
2022-09-04 00:46
7 replies
#30
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United States 1Tuurtle
In that case I'd say Tim and maybe floppy should be up there. Stats wise they aren't the greatest but they can certainly change the way a round goes. Im sure theres others. Not having Patsi for example is also insane
2022-09-04 00:48
6 replies
Can't exactly comment on either of the first 2 since I've watched maybe like 2 complexity games this year lmao, but regardless they're playing against low opposition so to put them that high would seem odd to me Patsi definantly seems like an impressive candidate for sure, but for me he also lacks maps played at big events, EPL being only like his 3rd big event as of this year so the sample size is quite small, he's definantly sitting around near top 10 though, which is still impressive considering how tight it is, maybe even deserves a slot
2022-09-04 00:50
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#53
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United States 1Tuurtle
Floppy has fallen off quite a bit since the start of the year but overall at big events this year he has a 1.10 rating on a team that won next to no matches. Tim is more impressive since he's arguably doing better with an even worse team.
2022-09-04 01:13
#69
DaDte | 
Russia bult0
Tim? He can be up there potentially, but his team is trash
2022-09-24 02:33
3 replies
#102
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United States 1Tuurtle
Yeah. I think you have to put into perspective how the player is doing compared to his team. Like Tim is doing fantastic given his team, and if they were winning he’d have like a 1.3 rating
2022-09-24 05:36
2 replies
1.3 is a bit too much, after all it'd be more games against top-10 teams than anything, but he's skilled enough to keep his 1.10-1.15 in good competition which actually is a level for top-10 rifler
2022-09-24 09:19
1 reply
#127
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United States 1Tuurtle
Yeah I was over exaggerating a bit, but I do think if he was on a team like liquid for example he could take be a top 20 player
2022-09-24 15:29
1. NiKo 2. Ax1le 3. Yekindar 4. b1t 5. Twistzz 6. Elige 7. BlameF 8. Spinx 9. Hunter 10. Patsi
2022-09-04 00:56
Ranking B1t above YEKINDAR is highway robbery. B1t has been mediocre this year
2022-09-24 02:55
3 replies
#103
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United States 1Tuurtle
Haven’t paid a ton of attention to Navi this year tbh, but I thought bit stepped up since elec was struggling earlier in the year
2022-09-24 05:39
2 replies
No actually electroNic was quite impressive recently taking one for the team and becoming igl and was the most consistent NaVi player for a while. B1t is very inconsistent this year and looks like a shadow of his 2021 form
2022-09-24 05:46
1 reply
#126
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United States 1Tuurtle
Alright, im fine with bit being lower
2022-09-24 15:28
+yuurih in 10th -elec
2022-09-04 00:45
reasonable
2022-09-04 00:45
1. ZywOo 2. Ax1Le 3-10. Didnt care but gotta mention YEKINDAR and Spinx
2022-09-04 00:46
Pretty good list - definitely needs blameF though. You can't ignore his absolutely insane carry of Astralis this year - he's definitely in the top 10 players of the year so far, so probably top5 riflers
2022-09-04 00:49
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2022-09-04 00:50
7 replies
regardless of him not being glamorous, he no doubt has high impact with a rifle. He somehow just puts up insane numbers every game - there's no rifler as consistent as him right now. It's a weird list if you are only taking players with a lot of flair - a discussion of top 10 riflers should allow for the top10 riflers, regardless of their style
2022-09-04 00:54
6 replies
I see it as theirs 2 ways of looking at it though, you can go the road of the HLTV ranking looking at stats, team placements etc, or just based off raw aim, general impact and what not, I'm looking at it the 2nd way, imo BlameF just carries a team down while boosting himself up Not to call him a baiter or anything but he requires a high amount of resources individually, and I don't know how I could put a rifler up there who has a 1.38 rating on the CT side, yet a 1.09 rating on the T side, it says alot about him and his lack of being able to open rounds out of nothing and that seems to be somewhat of a criteria for me
2022-09-04 01:00
4 replies
NiKo has a 1.09 t side rating, Twistzz 1.08, Spinx 1.06, b1t 1.03, .... it's a very ct-sided meta right now. 1.09 is a very high t-side rating actually. So maybe your eye test is off... You might just not like blamef which is fair enough - I just think the narrative about him is completely warped, and his skill is almost never recognised because people just love to jump on the baitF bandwagon
2022-09-04 01:52
2 replies
Hmm CT-sided it is indeed, I suppose I was a bit ignorant to the fact I still however stand with the idea he isn't much of a round changer and simply is consistant with regular kills, we can agree to disagree though :)
2022-09-04 01:56
1 reply
Fair enough. Appreciate your thought out replies though
2022-09-04 14:45
true that he isnt as impressive on t side but i swear so often when they do win t rounds its because blame is lurking and somehow finds a timing with his huge brain and they get a site. Gla1ve has had good calling though but often is more his that opens other than the other 4 that executes a site
2022-09-25 03:03
+1 defiantly agree put blamef up there.
2022-09-24 15:30
Top 5 imo has to be these 5 NiKo AxiLe Stavn YEKINDAR Spinx People are heavily underrating Stavn lately
2022-09-04 00:50
1 reply
Stavn kinda fits into the catagory of #28 for me but not to the level of BlameF, it's ironic, but I don't really remember a single clip from stavn, he's more of a consistant rifler but that's doesn't neccessarily make him bad for this list just I don't have much to base off and what I do have to base off doesn't seem as impressive compared to others
2022-09-04 00:52
Zywoo #1
2022-09-04 00:52
5 replies
Not using primary AWPers for this list unfortunately
2022-09-04 11:19
4 replies
he has more rifle kills tahn awp tho
2022-09-25 02:30
3 replies
2022-09-25 02:32
2 replies
well 50/50, but way more rifle kills recently
2022-09-25 02:33
1 reply
Yeah I agree with you, but Zywoo is the AWPer in vitality and the first role that comes to mind is awper, he simply is the awper regardless but I get your point
2022-09-25 02:35
Twistzz has not been better than Ropz and I'd argue even rain if you count the entire year. He's been the best recently but if you count from the start of the year he's not been better
2022-09-04 00:56
5 replies
Statistically, you're right in saying that but for me Twistzz has been a consistant pillar all round the board since he joined Faze, you can also take into account that twistzz doesn't get as privelaged roles as ropz does but that's besides the point Just raw aim wise and being able to open rounds overall for me Twistzz has excelled better than ropz who has the abillity to do far better than twistzz considering how gifted he is mechanically but ropz has really been struggling at 50/50 duals at times in the last 4 ish months which has a big impact considering the consistant counterpart of twistzz
2022-09-04 01:02
4 replies
I see your point but kinda disagree. I'd say rain is really the pillar of Faze's team. I actually kinda think the opposite for Twistzz. In the first part of the season, I think he was kinda inconsistent. Especially at the Major, he was kinda quiet. But I do think he's really stepped up massively lately, but I still think both ropz and rain has been better riflers this year. Rain really struggled in the BLAST Fall groups which is probably why people underappreciate how great he's been this year
2022-09-04 01:12
3 replies
I wouldn't exactly label anyone the pillar of this team considering it would merely fail to work as a top 1 team for a good period of time if any piece was changed unless it was an undoubtable upgrade imo, and Twistzz has definantly been consistant all year round without a doubt for me, he was just more noticable as ropz became kind of inconsistant and he was the one everyone looked at and only then people started noticing twistzz, but in terms of impact raw aim creating rounds out of nothing and what not, I still think twistzz excells, just lacks an MVP in Faze this year lol
2022-09-04 01:15
2 replies
I can see your point there. I also think that no single player in Faze has been the reason that their performance, it's been the entire team working together through and through, but have to disagree that Twistzz has been consistent all year round. There have actually been a lot of times this year where it seems like he struggles to be comfortable. Looking away from both Dallas and BLAST Fall Groups where he really struggled, and BLAST Spring Finals where everyone was poor, I actually think rain has been the most consistent and impactful rifler on Faze in 2022. It just seems like he got burned out in Dallas and wasn't entirely back from vacation in Fall Groups. He doesn't have the same ability to create rounds out of nowhere like Ropz, Broky and Twistzz have, but i feel like everything he does is impactful for the team
2022-09-04 01:29
1 reply
Overall, twistzz has had around 31 games this year with less than 1.00 rating meanwhile rain with 40 Also hltv.org/stats/players/events/10394/twis.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/8183/rain?.. Overall, twistzz rating seems to be higher, with twistzz usually having a 1.10 rating sometimes a little higher, rarely a little lower while rain is kinda all over the place, I still stand by my point with rains inconsistancy, which isn't really a problem regardless but it's also fair since he's an entry fragger and they tend to be inconsistant
2022-09-04 01:48
Twistzz and electronic absent from the list? b1t is a definitive yes, as is yekindar, but those two missing just feels bad.
2022-09-04 01:02
1 reply
Are you actually blind
2022-09-24 01:54
Ax1le real top 1 rifler
2022-09-04 01:11
#58
deko | 
North America kommi
rigoN no 1 all other irrelevant
2022-09-04 01:50
#63
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India DG_1998
Axile needs to be higher than Niko. Better stats+MVP on top of that more play offs in general i don't know why u put Niko no.1 instead of axile?
2022-09-23 22:43
except niko ax1le yekindar spinx has done nothing the entire year
2022-09-24 02:01
10 replies
Ah yes because that means only faze and navi riflers visually look the best because they have won something, ig electronic was the best rifler in 2021
2022-09-24 02:23
9 replies
b1t was the best rifler in 2021, a rifler who was a reason for a whole year of domination is more valuable than one who won nothing and contributed nothing but had .05 better rating but thats just me
2022-09-24 02:45
8 replies
To call b1t the best rifler in 2021 is delusional, top one, yes, nowhere near NiKo's level, you're clearly ranking players on a wrong basis, if you wanna take the same logic then I guess dev1ce is the goat AWPer and s1mple wasn't for years, same goes for Zywoo. When you're speaking on an individual level, trophies are near to meaningless since it's up to an individual how they perform, winning will only boost rating easier. PS : not 0.05 rating diff :) NiKo had 0.11 rating more and 0.29 more impact, 14 more ADR, 0.10 more KPR, massive diff
2022-09-24 02:50
6 replies
you never defined "best", best and top one is the same thing. device was goat until s1mple won stockholm, obviously numbers arent completely meaningless. you can argue niko but spinx yekinar has .03 higher and hltv rating doesnt mean what you think it means, it ignores so many factors like role and their rating is absolute when it should be relative, its only slightly better than comparing players using kdr. it doesnt reflect individual level because spinx is not a better player than twistzz lmao
2022-09-24 03:02
5 replies
Dev1ce was hardly the GOAT and in terms of goat I'm speaking the very best of the best, you can win trophies without being the best, it's next to irrelivant skill wise, I would argue Spinx is on a similar level of twistzz this year if anything, better roles maybe but still. I can understand the narrative of rating not being incredibly relevant to personal opinion, but factors like ADR, opening duals, KPR, DPR speak for themselves. Regardless, the whole meaning of this thread was who looks the best eye test wise, and at the time of creation, this was what I felt was true
2022-09-24 12:08
4 replies
device had 5 top 3s and 4 majors he wasnt “hardly” tthe goat lmao. greatest and best are different, everyone knows s1mple is better than device. if rating based on skill, twistzz is top 2. if by impact its top 1. if by “hltv rating system!” its may as well be top 30
2022-09-25 00:25
3 replies
In this case how are greatest nor best different, both s1mple was the best at his time and the greatest of all time, I don't see how twistzz has both the most impact nor the 2nd skillwise, zywoo and s1mple easily better in both. you simply don't surpass them
2022-09-25 00:51
2 replies
they are different words. great implies achievements and historical impact not simply individual skill. s1mple and zywoo are awpers we are talking riflers arent we.
2022-09-25 02:26
1 reply
Yeah but when you say ''twistzz is top 2 / top 1 impact'' it feels like you're implying overall, but regardless he still isn't top 1 for impact nor in general
2022-09-25 02:30
Yekindar, electronic, ax1le and Niko scored higher than b1t on hltv top 20.
2022-09-25 03:01
#66
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Canada Femtal
Switch spinx and Twistzz, ropz a little higher and the list is good.
2022-09-24 02:03
#68
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Going by HLTV ranking (top 20, 12 months) the list should be: 1. NiKo 2. Ax1Le 3. blameF 4. stavn 5. electroNic 6. Spinx 7. huNter- 8. Twistzz 9. b1t 10. HObbit
2022-09-24 02:29
11 replies
#73
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Sweden Simpan410
KSCERATO is miles better than both baitF and hobbit
2022-09-24 02:38
7 replies
#74
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Not by HLTV ranking. Imo you should always look at stats as they dont lie
2022-09-24 02:41
6 replies
#76
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Sweden Simpan410
Furia have not played as many games as other teams so stats dont mean shit imo
2022-09-24 02:42
5 replies
That actually is worse lmao. If you have less played maps and still get worse stats there's the problem.
2022-09-24 03:11
4 replies
#89
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Sweden Simpan410
he has worse teammates than some of these other top tier teams but ofc u dont consider that
2022-09-24 03:30
3 replies
For sure? The list is based on individual stats, not teamplay stats. 2018 S1mple did have worse teammates than Kscerato nowadays but still he was top 1. NiKo last year only had hunter playing well and still went to the fucking major and nearly got his best Major run ever being dropped down cause of nexa's strats, Ama basic awping and Jackz, well, we know what happened to he, don't we? Kscerato doesn't have the carry potential that other pros have. And that doesn't have anything to do with his teammates nor the amount of maps he played.
2022-09-24 14:30
2 replies
#124
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Sweden Simpan410
im not comparing kscerato to s1mple or Niko so your whole argument is irrelevant lol. All im saying is that he is a better rifler than some people on this guys top 10 list
2022-09-24 15:23
1 reply
It isn't irrelevant as you're comparing Ksc to other pros, so it doesn't matter who are you comparing him with, but that you said as arguments both maps played and teammates. Still, i share with you that Ksc is better rifler than blameF.
2022-09-24 16:01
2022 is far more relevant than last 12 months, but besides the fact, This is an outdated thread + it's eye test wise, impact, i've gone through what I mean but take a few min maps away for me would you so YEKINDAR gets up there :)
2022-09-24 02:43
#107
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India DG_1998
Axile is better than Niko this yr. He needs to be higher than niko.
2022-09-24 06:38
1 reply
#157
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Well as I said its not about my opinion its juts the ranking you get when you apply the filters mentioned in OP.
2022-09-24 16:26
#70
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Sweden Simpan410
Imagine not putting KSCERATO in your top 10 riflers
2022-09-24 02:34
8 replies
#71
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Hes barely in top 20 and only in last 6 months
2022-09-24 02:36
6 replies
#72
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Sweden Simpan410
Delusional german
2022-09-24 02:37
4 replies
#75
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Thats not delusional, thats facts.
2022-09-24 02:42
3 replies
#78
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Sweden Simpan410
according to "stats" Astralis are 4th best team in the world and movistar riders 5th xd
2022-09-24 02:44
2 replies
#90
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Germany mrzxea_cs
Tell me you have no idea how HLTV statistics work without telling me. Try to find ur mistake, Im to tired. U dont need to answer, this is /closed
2022-09-24 03:34
1 reply
#92
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Sweden Simpan410
HAHAH imagine talking about stats to be proved completely wrong 5 minutes later
2022-09-24 03:38
#85
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Brazil Jhonatasm
What??? Where do you look for stats? hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01.. I don't know how you can think Ks is barely in top 20 of the year
2022-09-24 03:14
far better options
2022-09-24 02:45
#87
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Brazil Jhonatasm
some comparisons of ks with these players. Kscerato x Rain: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. Kscerato x Ropz: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. Kscerato x B1t: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. Ks x Eletronic: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. Ks x Twistzz: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/15631/ksc.. Kscerato have been Better in stats that some of your top 10 rifflers this year. I know Furia didn't win nothing, but he deserve a mention.
2022-09-24 03:26
9 replies
True Ksceraro has more chances to win a major than choko kscerato>Choko But Ax1le >any rifler
2022-09-24 03:30
4 replies
#91
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Sweden Simpan410
i fully agree, ax1le goated but kscerato is literally insane
2022-09-24 03:36
2 replies
#95
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Brazil Jhonatasm
This EPL he is smurfing. He have a +79 KD on 8 maps played. This means 10 KD by map. It's insane. But Fúria still needs play against C9.
2022-09-24 04:24
1 reply
#96
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Sweden Simpan410
I believe in Furia vs c9, DIADE FURIA VAMOZ
2022-09-24 04:30
#94
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Brazil Jhonatasm
Lmao. There's no doubt that Niko and Ax1le are playing better that Ks this year, but at least a Top 10 a think he deserves.
2022-09-24 04:16
#97
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Canada Zenrod
Am I missing something? Why does the comparison page shows completely different stats than if you went on each individual's stats page. KSCERATO's rating this year at big event shows 1.14 rating with 1.10 impact, but the comparison page shows 1.14 rating with 1.05 impact: hltv.org/stats/players/15631/kscerato?st.. rain's rating this year at big event shows 1.11 rating with 1.20 impact, but the comparison page shows 1.11 rating with 1.03 impact: hltv.org/stats/players/8183/rain?startDa..
2022-09-24 04:32
1 reply
#98
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Brazil Jhonatasm
I don't understand either... maybe it's the opponents, top 20, top 30, top 50. Maybe that's changing the data.
2022-09-24 04:35
If you wanna go through the root of statistics, which this thread is not about, all of the players you mentioned are in a team of 3/4 star players and kscerato only 2, he will simply get the best roles along with yuurih, not to mention his lackluster impact. BUT LIKE I'VE SAID 100000 TIMES, this thread is about eye-test not stats :)
2022-09-24 12:11
1 reply
#159
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Brazil Jhonatasm
The problem is that you don't look at Ksceato the same way you look at Rain, for example. In my opinion, from those who watch all Furia games, kscerato is performing much more than many players mentioned in this thread, the same goes for Yuurih. Another example is Frozen, if he played for Faze, doing much less than he does for Mouz, he would be exalted, as happens with Ropz. I don't want to change your opinion, I'm just saying that, as Max Weber said, it's impossible to be impartial. And that's why statistics are important.
2022-09-24 16:31
1. AX1LE 2.NiKo 3. stavn 4.blameF 5. YEKINDAR 6. spinx 7. twistz
2022-09-24 03:38
1 reply
BlameF has no ground here on a thread about eye-test wise where he simply is not that impressive
2022-09-24 12:09
#99
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Brazil ImReverx
kscerato?
2022-09-24 04:37
2 replies
#162
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Brazil Jhonatasm
Like Michael Jackson said, they don't care about us. Nem adianta tentar.
2022-09-24 16:33
1 reply
#171
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Brazil ImReverx
pnc dos gringo, menos o big Michael J.
2022-09-24 17:39
1. Niko Rest irrelevant
2022-09-24 04:58
2 replies
#108
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India DG_1998
Axile>Niko.
2022-09-24 06:39
1 reply
+1111
2022-09-24 09:20
#101
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Turkey Sympson
No XANTARES ?
2022-09-24 05:05
how can yekindar be number 3...he didnt play well for the first half of the year
2022-09-24 05:41
3 replies
Hard to perform carrying t2 players and knowing you're exiting the current team, regardless it's about eye test and I personally think YEKINDAR has shown a good showing, not incredible in the middle but still seemed like an amazing rifler
2022-09-24 12:13
2 replies
"t2 players" are you talking about outsiders ?
2022-09-24 12:37
1 reply
Precisely.
2022-09-24 12:43
1. JamYoung Rest irrelevant
2022-09-24 05:42
#109
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India DG_1998
And why yekindar is top 3?he hasn't played much that u putting him in top 3 as well they is no so much wrong in this list.
2022-09-24 06:42
1 reply
Don't come back the next day complaining like you didn't bump a month old thread and didn't read the context
2022-09-24 12:12
#117
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Sweden R4tse
Niko at number 1? Seriously?
2022-09-24 12:16
#118
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Czech Republic JayDee42_
Hunter where?
2022-09-24 12:21
Oh my god its the delusional latvian again
2022-09-24 12:21
WHERE KSCERATO AND ALLAHTARES
2022-09-24 12:25
good list normally k0nfig would be on there also I feel like NIP have a lot of good riflers. ReZ and Brollan. then there is also Dupreeh. fr0zen from mouz, Flamez from OG. HuNter, KSCERATO, Eliege. many good top notch riflers.
2022-09-24 15:27
3 replies
Eye test wise perhaps REZ and k0nfig have a place but they're very inconsistant, frozen would probably get on their too,
2022-09-24 15:31
Magisk>Dupreeh
2022-09-24 16:00
1 reply
I disagree. Magisk is more consistent, dupreeh is the raw better aimer. also he achieved more over a Long period of time. both insane with deagle.
2022-09-24 16:28
ropz nowhere near top 10
2022-09-24 15:41
1 reply
true near top 5
2022-09-24 15:42
nice
2022-09-24 15:43
1 reply
thanks
2022-09-24 15:44
Looks good to me :D
2022-09-24 15:46
I don't think B1t is up there this year. I'd put Elige or Naf above B1t and I don't think either of them would make my top 10. BlameF is the best danish rifler, top 3 rifler in 2022 for sure. He doesn't have the same heights as Niko or Spink, but he's the most consistent player this year so far, even when astralis is playing like tier 3.
2022-09-24 15:51
1 reply
eye testttt wiiiise, blameF definantly not up there
2022-09-24 15:59
only eyetest its twistzz
2022-09-24 15:57
9 replies
eyetest wise yeki better
2022-09-24 15:59
8 replies
idk man, all those cologne clutches are burned in my head
2022-09-24 16:04
7 replies
That's fair enough, he definantly has his fair share of impact this year, flag checks out whatever but, for me YEKINDAR's raw aim just seems like the best out of everyone and his impact is monumental, I can understand putting twistzz higher though considering faze's runs this year and what kind of impact twistzz played in there
2022-09-24 16:08
6 replies
honestly, with twistzz being all over the highlight reels recently, I dont even remember much of yekindar. maybe he is that good but I dont remember
2022-09-24 16:09
5 replies
I think it's just a matter of lack of maps when he wasn't in VP for that time being and he was just doing his best but he has undeniably been doing alot for TL since he joined, I think it's early round frags so it feels far less memorable tbh
2022-09-24 16:10
4 replies
sure I think he is the best player on TL rn I also dont know if Niko and Ax1le should be top 2 with the inconsistency and some shots missing that shouldnt
2022-09-24 16:11
3 replies
I think it's a matter of peak and consistancy, I think NiKo and Ax1le have a higher peak than twistzz but twistzz is far more consistant so it's definantly not an easy job to grade, also consideration of roles, overall not easy
2022-09-24 16:13
2 replies
I havent seen any of that peak this year tho
2022-09-24 16:33
1 reply
That's fair, I think it's just a matter of this being a lackluster year for everyone bar navi / faze and even navi internally had issues with b1t
2022-09-24 16:36
why axile is so high on the list
2022-09-24 16:04
1 reply
mvp and trophy higher mvp rating as a rifler in the last 2 years choko 0 trophies mvps
2022-09-24 16:36
#149
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Ukraine shisee
blameF?
2022-09-24 16:07
#153
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China Zmjjkk
1. Ax1Le 2. NiKo 3. blameF 4. stavn 5. Spinx 6. huNter- 7. ropz 8. Twistzz 9. KSCERATO 10. yuurih
2022-09-24 16:15
#156
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United States R700
I think Blame over rain. And an argument could be made for KSCERATO. But overall, the list seems reasonable (I don't agree 100% with the order, but understandable)
2022-09-24 16:18
ax1le how tf is he top 2 - interz is performing better than him wtf xD
2022-09-24 16:32
2 replies
wow Hunter perfomed better than niko the entire first season hunter is much better than him monesy carrying choko in important matches wow he is better than niko lmao they are just getting back in form didnt play official in a lot of time you cant put even niko above of ax1le cuz niko didnt achieve mvp and trophy this year
2022-09-24 16:36
wtf are you talking about is this a joke, what has cloud 9 achieved so far with this
2022-09-24 16:37
#164
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Turkey Revoenix
Hunter- ?
2022-09-24 16:36
1 reply
+1 hunter goat carrying choko in important matches
2022-09-24 16:36
XANTARES 1
2022-09-24 16:40
1. dream3r 2. Kvem 3. reiko 4. casey 5. Kair0n 6. Soulfly 7. cptkurtka023 8. AZUWU 9. donk 10. Krownii
2022-09-24 16:42
Spinx over yekindar. Not enough data for top 1 yet.
2022-09-25 00:27
1:niko 2:spinx 3:blameF 4: stavn 5:ropz 6:b1t 7:ax1le 8:twistzz 9:kscerato 10: rain? Imo. And some are just stuck in inconsistent teams like brollan
2022-09-25 00:30
9 replies
HOW YOU would put stavn blamef over ax1le wtf
2022-09-25 00:31
8 replies
Spinx not that high in any regard, and BlameF not there eyetest wise
2022-09-25 00:53
5 replies
Spinx plays hard roles, even anchoring long like tizian does, and despite this hes their best player and star. He is very much like peak valde in OG, but better. Even though ence has lost form, its obvious what he beings to that team and to vitality with their upswing in form. Even on vitality he plays hard roles and still manage to be close to zywoo if not better in some games. I think he is one of the most underrated riflers ever. Just noticed i put blamef as 3rd, thats wrong, id put him at 6th or 5th and move up the rest above. He doesnt do crazy headshots but by role he is one of the best for sure.
2022-09-25 01:24
4 replies
Fair Spinx is definantly greatly up there and makes do with what he has, similarly to twistzz but eye test wise I suppose the role doesn't play a massive factor other than being set up to make kills even then doesn't effect raw aim / impact in a catastrophic way, I still wouldn't put blame 5th or 6th eye test wise simply considering I personally don't find him that impressive in all the factors I previously mentioned which this list is based on so not there for me,
2022-09-25 01:29
3 replies
While that may be true, if you were to put that logic on a player such as device, he wouldnt be a top 3 awper at all. If you were to make a list of crazy aimers that get wntries or clutches alot or whatever then blameF wouldnt even be on the list. But i love players who are just so good at positioning and having gamesense where they dont need amazing aim or can play midgame roles great
2022-09-25 01:53
2 replies
Maybe, but it's not the only factor but you're using good logic, but not the right logic, my list is simply compiled of the best riflers in my opinion eye test wise. You can enjoy that but strictly on a basis of eye test and best raw aim and what not I just don't see Bennie on the list
2022-09-25 01:59
1 reply
Ofcourse, its your list. But i think you may underrate players decision making and where they are going on the radar with your eye test. Im sure though that we agree that watching blamef highlights is not as fun as niko highlights 🙂
2022-09-25 02:06
I rank them on what I have seen this year and recent form (couple months) ax1le is amazing but not as much as the riflers above. I think he dips a bit in form on lan and recently hes just been a great rifler instead of a world class one. And his rating shows that, not that its what i base my ranking on. I was unsure of stavn, both heroic and c9 havent played much at all. But hes still been one of the best riflers impact wise despite heroics form wheras ax1le havent to the same extent. I rank him over blamef mostly because if you take stavn and blamef with rhe same rating, its obvious who has had more impact. BlameF by role is a statfarmer and gets his numbers whether astralis wins or loses.
2022-09-25 01:19
1 reply
Oh yeah blamef is not 3rd but rather 6th. Im on mobile and posting this on my 15min break 🙃
2022-09-25 01:25
I don't really think its fair to give rain the spot, mans a gigachad and plays hard roles and still does well, but I think there's other riflers who are doing more for their teams. Very few games you look at and think "rain won them this game". I think Dycha is very slept on and fits better on that list than him. Frozen could easily be a player to consider if mouz continues this form.
2022-09-25 00:58
8 replies
wait a moment how tf is blamef not on your list
2022-09-25 00:58
7 replies
eye test wise
2022-09-25 00:59
6 replies
eye test wist the man has an MVP and lets be completely real here. Blamef is the only person on that team who is putting them into contention for winning anything ever, he single handily carried his team to top 3. If you really think he's a full baiter with 0 impact then I have no idea how you came to that conclusion other than memes. Blamef will be in the top 20 this year
2022-09-25 01:01
5 replies
You can do that all without looking impressive ingame and yes he did hard carry astralis but he also requires alot of resources and takes alot of space without a doubt. Eye test wise I mean genuine impact, raw aim, opening kills and what not, along the lines of that. Most impressive as a rifler, you get the jist. I don't think he has 0 impact but to say he doesn't exactly bait to an extent would be wrong especially this event, he will unfortunately also be top 20, around top 5-8 probably
2022-09-25 01:04
4 replies
Eye test is a pretty subjective matter, but ultimately while not at a level of faze and other title contenders faze have had periods where they looked strong this year and it has been on the back of blamef. If you really believe he isn't a top 10 rifler this year? Then fair enough, it's a subjective more or less meaningless list anyways but I think there's no way he isn't a top 10 rifler at minimum. I'm happy to agree to disagree on the matter.
2022-09-25 01:07
3 replies
Definantly is subjective for sure, but top 1-5 will be around the same for most people bar from team fans of course, on terms of eye test wise, I think it's fairly obvious BlameF's headshot procentage is rather low which isnt the only decisive factor but imo plays a decent factor just from an outside POV, generally if you have higher HS% your raw aim seems to be better, he also has the highest CT side rating and a somewhat low t side rating but then and again its a ct sided meta but to go from 1.36 to 1.09 is a big gap. He's probably the 3rd best rifler statistically speaking but not in my top 10 eye test wise.
2022-09-25 01:16
2 replies
I think that hs% is a misleading stat. Hs% and raw aim don't mean anything if you still get the kill. You also have to keep in mind his ct role is a lot more active than his T role, same as jks and ropz. Ultimately all we have are stats to determine player quality in a quantifiable measurement.
2022-09-25 01:19
1 reply
I mean you have to get the kill for the HS% factor to be even considered statistically so it's a bit of a 2 edged blade, but considering that, I believe it does play a factor but even if you ignore it, it's all about general bias and experience watching the players and when I watch blameF I see him getting easy kills and body spamming which isn't wrong just not impressive when you're speaking the best eye test wise. I can't really argue with the entire role thing but lately I've seen BlameF be on an island on his own late round in EPL and just last alive 90% of the time
2022-09-25 01:23
Hunter?
2022-09-25 01:32
Me Frfr
2022-09-25 02:34
3 replies
drop faceit
2022-09-25 02:36
2 replies
1 reply
nt, Twistzz is 22.10 average but you are 22, almost there but no
2022-09-25 02:54
For me, about raw skills: 1. YEKINDAR 2. Twistzz 3. KSCERATO 4. b1t 5. Ax1le 6. electronic 7. XANTARES 8. NiKo 9. Spinx 10. yuurih/huNter-/stavn/rain/k0nfig/ropz/blameF/REZ... kinda hard to figure out tbh. YEKINDAR is the most insane imo: best entry in the world with a better aim and impact than other non-entry riflers on the list. Watching him play is very exciting every time.
2022-09-25 03:25
1 reply
Ive started taking the top 1 yekindar approach, i feel his raw aim is better than everyone elses along with impact
2022-09-25 03:39
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