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If Faze replaced Ropz or Twistzz with Niko would they keep winning?
England TheWizardofUh27898 
I am in now was suggesting Faze do this as they are currently on top and winning pretty much everything that matters but do you think they would continue to win?
2022-09-23 03:20
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#1
HooXi | 
Austria vacaaa
yes
2022-09-23 03:21
1 reply
xseveN prime is better
2022-09-23 16:39
twistzz don't think so, ropz yea for sure imo yes in his prime form tho
2022-09-23 03:22
20 replies
I happen to think they wouldnt win anything.
2022-09-23 03:24
19 replies
same sadly xD the curse is there
2022-09-23 03:25
18 replies
#59
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Czech Republic Evis1337
it's not a curse. it's just niko is worse.
2022-09-23 13:43
17 replies
0/8
2022-09-23 14:09
15 replies
#69
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Czech Republic Evis1337
last time niko won an event it was in 2018... ropz since then won 9 trophies... yeah niko better =D%D%D:D:D:D: for sure mouz roster with bumas and shitcor was better than faze or g2 with nikoD:_D:D:
2022-09-23 14:14
14 replies
by that logic xyp is better than s1mple
2022-09-23 14:41
10 replies
#77
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Czech Republic Evis1337
so comparing ropz and niko is the same as comparing xypex and simple?
2022-09-23 14:42
9 replies
"last time niko won an event it was in 2018... ropz since then won 9 trophies... yeah niko better" xyp has way more tournament wins than s1mple so by YOUR logic xyp is better
2022-09-23 14:43
7 replies
#80
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Czech Republic Evis1337
xypex support rifler whos been irrelevant for 3 years s1mple top1 hltv last year, awp player and major winner last year ropz top 5 rifler, a lot of achievements, similar stats to niko niko top 5 rifler, 0 achievements, similar stats as ropz yeah youre right, its the same!
2022-09-23 14:46
6 replies
niko was literally best player in the world for the last 6 months of last year as a rifler. niko 1.22 rating, 1.30 impact (Last 3 months) ropz 1.11 rating, 0.98 impact (Last 3 months) They arent comparable
2022-09-23 14:50
5 replies
#87
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Czech Republic Evis1337
you compare 25 maps vs 50 maps lol. ropz playing major/kato/cologne/s tier event finals every event and niko out in group stage. ofc he has high stats lol. all time stats rating is the same. they are comparable niko also playing as a star, ropz is a fkn b anchor/lurker lol. they are very similar skill level, you could see that in mouz when he was playing star as well
2022-09-23 14:55
4 replies
Ok look at 2022 then basically the same maps played and niko still much better
2022-09-23 15:06
hahahaha ropz is not even close to NiKo skillwise
2022-09-23 16:13
While Ropz is clearly a very very skilled rifler and star player and has maybe a better mindset for a team when it comes to mentality and how he works under an IGL, NiKo was arguably the hardest carry rifler the game has ever seen at the start of the year. In terms of raw skill Twistzz is much more similar to Niko, Ropz is much more alike in terms of game sense
2022-09-23 18:27
1 reply
ropz is very much different player, yes great lurker and versatile player, but will never hard carry the team. he'll help as much as possible teamwise to get the win tho
2022-09-23 20:10
jesus the logical jumps
2022-09-24 04:11
Wrong, he won 3 events in 2019. But yea I wouldn't want him back on FaZe.
2022-09-23 16:18
clueless as usual hltv.org/matches/2337272/faze-vs-ninjas-.. november 2019 was his last win
2022-09-23 20:08
1 reply
#126
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Czech Republic Evis1337
doesn't even show up in liquipedia page, thus irrelevant tournament
2022-09-23 20:54
best rifler of all time when in prime, definitely 0/8
2022-09-23 20:07
-twistzz +NiKo could work for sure
2022-09-23 03:23
32 replies
replace invaluable passive and selfless with stat hunting team energy sucking egomaniac what could go wrong
2022-09-23 03:27
31 replies
twistzz isnt that "passive" and you say this like NiKo isnt capable of adjusting. he could definitely do the exact same job as twistzz, maybe even better
2022-09-23 03:29
26 replies
Twistzz is a support. Niko is a star, quite an egotistical one at that. switching for players of different roles will ruin the team, Faze don't need a star and the problem with Niko isn't his skill we know quite well he is a decent player.
2022-09-23 03:34
24 replies
twistzz is literally the person most often trading out rain and karrigan, how is he not a star lmao
2022-09-23 03:38
21 replies
Twistzz isn't set up by his team to be star like a niko or s1mple, hes not deliberately placed in situations to get frags thats why hes seen mostly in clutches and rounds with few players alive, potential is shared evenly with rain broky and ropz. Niko would have to give up a huge chunk of stats and ego to be anywhere near successful but we know how much he loves the spotlight and the highlights
2022-09-23 03:45
20 replies
this is just a dumb argument in the first place lol NiKo has never been in a team with the structure of current faze, so we have no clue if it would work or not. my original point was just that if you directly swapped them, with NiKo doing the same exact stuff that twistzz does, i think he could do a better job
2022-09-23 03:52
19 replies
Niko's personality stops him from doing anything near what Twistzz does lmao let alone do a better job. Niko cant't bear seeing his stats suffer like Twistzz can
2022-09-23 03:57
8 replies
#52
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Brazil flytw4tp
oh you clearly hates niko and it shows, plus flair checks out.
2022-09-23 13:34
7 replies
Niko haters talk like the man murdered their entire family its like wtf why do you hate this man so much
2022-09-23 13:59
6 replies
#65
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Brazil flytw4tp
exactly, not to mention it's based on rumours only and nothing more.
2022-09-23 14:03
1 reply
based on his whole career you mean
2022-09-24 01:56
+1 ahahahha he is propably insecure twistzz fan who is mad because niko is the GOAT rifle and not twistzz
2022-09-23 14:47
2 replies
Niko is the GOAT rifler, but theres no way Niko can do twistzz role better than him, and if he could, why wouldn't you want Niko on his star roles. Overall Niko is probably a much better player than Twistzz, but I don't think Niko could use as little space as twistzz to get what he gets done.
2022-09-23 16:42
yup im insecure about a csgo player that doesnt know me LMAO didnt say Niko isnt the goat, in stats that is at least
2022-09-24 01:55
+1
2022-09-23 14:57
Faze's system isnt based on a star so niko wont be a good addition
2022-09-23 13:35
9 replies
Its karrigan, he can literally make a new system with the same current players but -twistzz + niko and they would still be top 1
2022-09-23 14:42
8 replies
no , he specifically talked about it that this team is totally different from any team he ever had , and its the 5 man system that is working like this , he also called out that instead of a single star its a core of 3 players ( twistzz ropz broky )and no one being a solo star as that would be with niko .
2022-09-23 20:26
7 replies
yeah, they can just make a new system because as karrigan has said and i quote. "when you have Niko on your team, you need to play around Niko, he is just that good". Karrigan can literally just make a new system it would be literally just 2019 but - olof + ropz and -guardian +broky. Sounds pretty good to me
2022-09-23 20:59
6 replies
but it comes with very big repurcussions and trust me karrigan will never get invested with such an idea , where a players bad day can mean a very tough game or a loss for you . With big stars comes big ego and big frustrations , have never seen a single player on this faze malding over a mistake . They just laugh it out
2022-09-23 21:02
5 replies
what you said can work but wont be better than the current system .
2022-09-23 21:02
4 replies
I don't think there's a reason to swap the roster because its a big risk. But I don't see any reason why a faze with niko would be worse than one with twistzz in a hypothetical scenario
2022-09-23 21:50
3 replies
only a dumb noob will put niko in twistzz's role and thats why it will not work . So end this pointless thread pls
2022-09-24 08:19
2 replies
I dont think you understand what I'm saying man. Karrigan can simply make a NEW SYSTEM. Literally think about the 2019 system. You take that and replace guardian with broky and olof with ropz who played the same roles and what do you get? Nobody is saying to put niko in the exact same roles as twistzz but I don't think you understand that teams SWAP POSITIONS AND ROLES ALL THE TIME WITH ROSTER CHANGES. What is so hard to understand? Can you explain to me in a logical argument of why niko karrigan rain broky ropz would be worse with the current twistzz roster. Faze does not need to change their current roster, but in this hypothetical situation they would clearly be as good as they are now.
2022-09-24 14:31
1 reply
EOD
2022-09-24 17:58
nahh lil bro i hate this delusional guy but Twistzz is anything but a support player. And on top of that ur forgetting NiKo used to be a lurker.
2022-09-23 03:41
1 reply
support as in not throwing nades and being baited every other round but playing selflessly and surrendering bloodthirsty stat hunting for actual team success lurker can be a star, the point of lurking is to kill unsuspecting enemies with their knives out. coldzera was a lurker
2022-09-23 03:50
calls the best rifle of all time 'decent' xD
2022-09-23 14:11
#70
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Czech Republic Evis1337
WHY ARE YOU CALLING NIKO EGO MANIAC?
2022-09-23 14:14
1 reply
because he is
2022-09-24 01:57
twistzz selfless lol. man has as much if not more ego than the rest of the liquid players. at the end of the day hes on a team with a better awper better lurker better igl than g2
2022-09-24 04:11
1 reply
show me one example
2022-09-24 07:58
no team is winning a trophy as long as Niko is in it including Faze
2022-09-23 03:23
9 replies
well niko has won many many titles in the past so you are a bit wrong there
2022-09-23 03:26
7 replies
with the talent around him he was bound to win a trophy here and there, never had consistent domination
2022-09-23 03:29
6 replies
true but that's super unlucky, should've won both majors imo, big unlucky
2022-09-23 03:33
3 replies
#71
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Czech Republic Evis1337
what? he wasnt even close to winning any other major except the boston one
2022-09-23 14:15
2 replies
could've won stockholm as well
2022-09-23 20:06
1 reply
#125
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Czech Republic Evis1337
he got 2-0'd lil bro.
2022-09-23 20:54
what talent ?
2022-09-23 13:17
11 trophies isn't here and there
2022-09-23 18:24
+1 i am not a niko hater but his biggest ego will always stop him
2022-09-23 13:39
I hate autocorrect, now was is supposed to be no way.
2022-09-23 03:25
Those guys just won a major and almost a grand slam with what they can work with, even with a stand-in at one point. While the other has been given everything he wanted and never won anything memorable. Niko can surely make any team instantly top 5, but not a Champion. Stop with this BS that he can replace any member in a championship team and make it better. Tip: "Championship" team, he is not one and might never be at this stage.
2022-09-23 03:41
#17
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Brazil dio_scuro
yesnt
2022-09-23 03:42
If there is no personality issues and everyone is 100% professional than absolutely. But if “the team” all of a sudden starts “losing confidence in karrigan’s calling abilities” than no way lol
2022-09-23 03:42
#19
NiKo | 
Japan Kiriji
Twistzz no because of roles but NiKo instead of ropz will be very big updrage
2022-09-23 03:43
5 replies
#25
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Chad kdorek
Ropz fits better the team personality-wise. Even if NiKo could click heads 10% better overall, it's not enough, it would downgrade the overall team synergy
2022-09-23 03:52
4 replies
#28
NiKo | 
Japan Kiriji
all of that just your assumptions and NiKo has much more impact on the game than ropz. It will be very big upgrade.
2022-09-23 04:04
3 replies
#29
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France Alyta
No ropz is better for faze than niko
2022-09-23 04:06
playstyle role CT spots on most maps all different so ur statement makes no sense
2022-09-23 13:22
#46
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India DG_1998
Niko whiffs deagle shots in finals of majors ropz doesn't.
2022-09-23 13:23
NiKo underrated, his reputation ruined by assumptions. s1mple cause problems n a chairty tournament and his reputation stays the same
2022-09-23 03:47
8 replies
#49
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Chad kdorek
> 0 events won in G2 in 2 years > last event he won was an Online event in 2020 when he was still in FAZE. Then 2 BLASTs and the next normal event all the way back to 2018 > Assumptions
2022-09-23 13:29
6 replies
g2 didnt win anything since 2017, how niko fault
2022-09-23 13:34
5 replies
#66
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Chad kdorek
So you put "the best rifler in the world" in a team for 2 years, change all players around him, let him play with several IGLs, but it's G2's fault haha. I guess in your world Carlos Ocelote is the one playing the games
2022-09-23 14:08
4 replies
exactly, assumptions
2022-09-23 14:50
Yeah keep ignoring the fact that they made multiple 2nd place finishes it's just that the play vs peak navi in every final
2022-09-23 14:50
In those 2 years this is the first time they have an actuall team. He joined a team where roles didn't make sense with an IGL that didn't want to IGL, than they played without a proper awper. Than they bought an inexperienced child and an IGL that was there just cuz there was no one else. In those 2 years he was asker to lurk, awp and entry on command and even IGL when nexa and aleksib weren't there for some events. This is the first G2 team that is somewhat built around him.
2022-09-23 18:30
1 reply
#124
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Chad kdorek
Excelent exhibit of copium. " an IGL that didn't want to IGL" nexa lost all his willlingness to IGL in a team with NiKo after playing with him for like +1 year. You're mistaking cause with effect, lol "then they played without a proper awper" Same, team had kennyS before NiKo joined, but as both players needed a lot of space and setting up, their styles clashed and couldn't play together. "Than they bought an inexperienced child and an IGL that was there just cuz there was no one else." Except they brought both monesy and AleksiB as if they were both saviours. I 100% agree, they were shit picks, and the team was better with nexa and Amanek as they actually managed to get to some finals, even if they lost them. But it's alright, you sound like you believe Hooxi will make much of a difference. Time will put your expectations in their place
2022-09-23 20:54
+1
2022-09-23 14:49
#23
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Chad kdorek
No
2022-09-23 03:50
nt niko
2022-09-23 03:59
#30
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Netherlands dabadpad
why not -karrigan +niko.. i mean more fire power... right?
2022-09-23 04:08
1 reply
yes and then also let niko igl
2022-09-23 14:43
#31
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India Nijer
Chemistry>firepower
2022-09-23 04:16
2 replies
#47
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India DG_1998
+1 Astralis never had super raw fire power but the best team chemistry ever.
2022-09-23 13:24
1 reply
right actually faze has some astralis vibes everyone shows up as a team not just relying on fire power
2022-09-23 13:37
It's actually a good question. You would think they'd be better on the face of it but Faze are a team that thrives off the chemistry of their players.
2022-09-23 04:29
#33
b1t | 
India Mr_UNX
Faze Niko = no major + choke Faze no niko= major + great performance
2022-09-23 04:30
1 reply
+1
2022-09-23 14:57
2022-09-23 04:37
#35
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North America Camino
You don't mess with team chemistry. Let the roster win until it can't no more.
2022-09-23 04:39
4 replies
finnish ence moment
2022-09-23 04:49
3 replies
#38
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North America Camino
what happened with ENCE
2022-09-23 13:15
2 replies
aleksiB AND ALLU
2022-09-23 13:19
kicked aleksib when they were top 3 for more "firepower"
2022-09-23 14:28
#36
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Canada Zenrod
-broky +NiKo NiKo to entry, rain main AWP
2022-09-23 04:46
2 replies
Niko, rain double awp ez 16-0 against any opponent
2022-09-23 13:18
AHAHAHAHA RAIN GOAT AWP
2022-09-23 13:19
#41
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El Salvador Bredalow
no NIKO chokes in major finals
2022-09-23 13:19
no
2022-09-23 13:19
#48
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's possible because NiKo is still one of the best players ever but obviously the team dynamism would be off.
2022-09-23 13:27
i don't think so twistzz and ropz can sacrifice themselves for the team but niko AKA the biggest ego...
2022-09-23 13:31
7 replies
nice assumptions
2022-09-23 14:51
6 replies
lol are you high?
2022-09-23 14:56
5 replies
no
2022-09-23 15:30
4 replies
You must be.
2022-09-23 15:43
3 replies
no
2022-09-23 16:05
2 replies
Yes
2022-09-23 16:09
1 reply
glad you agree
2022-09-23 16:34
No
2022-09-23 13:32
niko already ruined faze once no need to see it again
2022-09-23 13:40
It’s crazy because his aim and awareness are so good like top tier but he’s cursed. Any team he joins just doesn’t get the success you expect it to. I’m going to have to say no, the team would not be as good.
2022-09-23 13:42
#60
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Turkey karrigoat
no chance
2022-09-23 13:43
You can't win with ChoKo, history speaks for itself
2022-09-23 13:53
They would become a solid top 15 team
2022-09-23 14:00
Don't think so mens. Unless Niko would change into a real team player lulululul.
2022-09-23 14:02
noob spoted
2022-09-23 14:17
No, Niko could actually win a major... We dont do that here
2022-09-23 14:21
All of you who says -ropz +niko or -twistzz +niko are braindead nerds and dont know anything about this game. Niko will never come back to Faze and plus Karrigan will not play with him because Niko was the reason that Karrigan was benched. Let everyone play as it is.
2022-09-23 14:55
they play completely different roles, just look at entry attempts % might still work but it would be a really strange one for one
2022-09-23 15:00
why would you remove twistzz, he's been carrying them since major.
2022-09-23 15:02
See 2017 faze for details
2022-09-23 16:07
I would rather see replacing broky for device. I feel like device would fit perfectly in faze. What seems great about twistzz and ropz atm is that they are willing to sacrifice a lot. If NiKo was also willing to do that maybe replacing ropz with Niko could be good.
2022-09-23 16:12
2 replies
I can see where you're coming from with the idea, dev1ce overall is a better individual, but what you have to consider is dev1ce has peaked and we're not too sure about broky yet, far better investment for the future and has already blended in with the team but for a 1-1 trade as of now, it would be a slight upgrade indeed, not worth the risk though
2022-09-23 18:34
1 reply
Yes indeed I think you're right about what you've said
2022-09-23 21:19
#102
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
Niko and karrigan wont probably get along together so no
2022-09-23 16:17
idk but i think that they would benefit if they -broky +zywoo
2022-09-23 18:19
3 replies
No shit they would xd, -rain +YEKINDAR, -broky + Zywoo/S1mple Zywoo's the best / 2nd best awper in the world, any team would benefit bar navi
2022-09-23 18:32
2 replies
:D i was just joking
2022-09-23 18:32
1 reply
scary joke
2022-09-23 18:32
NiKo doesn't have the mentality for it. So, no
2022-09-23 18:31
Anyone saying -anyone and +anyone is a pure tard. This teams chemistry is perfect. And Niko is a dumpster fire, fuck that goof. He can continue to burn everywhere he goes and win nothing relecant. Gtfo with this Niko shit. Niko dick lickers confirmed
2022-09-23 18:33
3 replies
wow
2022-09-23 21:06
1 reply
Truth hurts eh
2022-09-24 03:52
XD
2022-09-24 02:11
#119
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United Kingdom hatcher14
No Niko toxic
2022-09-23 20:07
1 reply
just like p1mple
2022-09-23 23:15
#121
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Sweden GGrowler
Sure, but in the system niko would have to sacrifice more and be less free, especialy for ropz. He would likely do more of rains and twistzz roles. Best way would be to change the system and have niko play the aggresive lurk with ropz being the more passive. And i doubt they would be as good. Faze like astralis works because each player supports one bit and still perform in their role. One superstar and 1-2 weak links just doesnt work to be the top anymore.
2022-09-23 20:09
#130
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United States dusq
i doubt it. faze as a team is clutch as fuck and niko chokes too much
2022-09-23 21:04
Skillwise for sure, but with that personality it would be a downgrade overall.
2022-09-23 21:04
#133
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Philippines Fiorno
No
2022-09-23 21:16
If they replace Twistzz with NiKo then yes.
2022-09-24 01:57
Ofcourse not cus Nik0 would question the igling of karrigan and try to take over like always and fucks the team up.
2022-09-24 02:06
#142
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Brazil ImReverx
> NiKo > Winning pick one
2022-09-24 02:06
Why isn't this thread 404'd yet, so many unnecessary hate comments
2022-09-24 08:51
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