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saffee in FURIA
Hong Kong Sn1tchey 
why has he performed so bad when he had like 1.27 hltv rating with pain (sure it was in south america region but still 1.02 rating this year vs t1 as awper is really bad) what should furia do? if they decide to kick him who will be his replacement?
2022-09-23 22:02
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try
2022-09-23 22:03
12 replies
try isn't quite ready for tier 1, has good mechanics but makes some game sense mistakes and would probably have a hard time working together with the rest of Furia. Hopefully coldzera and TACO's mentorship will elevate him to a higher level soon, though. He has a lot of potential.
2022-09-23 22:38
11 replies
Perhaps not, he seems like a great candidate though, young player and when he get's experience seems like he'd be a beast, No disrespect to him, but you're gonna have to solve the solution in saffee, he seems like a burden in Furia compared to the other working 4 pieces, when you have only 2 star riflers, your AWPer can't be a coin flip on whether he gets 1.3 rating or 0.8
2022-09-23 22:41
8 replies
Yeah, you're right. saffee has had a hard time in Furia, he has great games (like today) and then he has games where if you removed the nametag you'd think it was still junior in his place. Not sure what the problem is. But joining Furia is harder than joining most other teams, it's a very different system and playstyle to adapt into. Maybe saffee just needs more time, even though he's had quite a bit of time already. I don't think they'll replace him anytime soon, so hopefully he starts to get more and more consistent.
2022-09-23 22:44
7 replies
Perhaps he deserves more time, but also in retrospect, he's 27 he's not gonna get any younger, and most likely won't get any better, not saying he can't but it's unlikely. What worries me most is that he has lacked development for the 9 months he's been on furia. He has constantly been at a stagnant level
2022-09-23 22:47
6 replies
Yeah, that's true. But at the same time Furia isn't doing badly enough to justify an urgent change. Any AWPer they added instead of him would be a gamble, there are no guaranteed improvements, so I don't think the management will make that call just yet.
2022-09-23 22:50
5 replies
Yeah I can see that side aswell, I think if there was a time to replace saffee it was most likely after the Cologne loss for the player break to get some time to practice with someone, but now since they see some results it will be some what of a false sense of security, But you could also look at it as being a burden as they'll be kinda struggling to get another AWPer in the near future if he does happen to underperform to a bigger extent
2022-09-23 22:53
3 replies
As a Furia fan, I'm okay with seeing how he does until the end of the year, even if it ends up leading to some disappointments. If I were Furia mgmt though, I would at least be on the lookout for a potential replacement. Like you said, he's already 27, so even if he starts playing better in the short-term, time is ticking and eventually they will have no choice but to replace him.
2022-09-23 22:56
2 replies
Furia with " prime " Hen1 was soooo good , why the f*ck hen1 crashed her career to play with her brother....
2022-09-23 23:54
+1 to whole comment chain
2022-09-24 00:23
Is the major the last straw if he finish sub 1.0 on home soil? There is a lot of awpers available if furia want to spend the big bucks but after two failed attempts to replace hen1 I wonder if they would be an upgrade
2022-09-23 22:56
No offense to the Furia folks, but i'd have to agree that Cold and TACO could offer better mentorship. Furia are great but still fairly young and not really as experienced. Still tho, i have to agree with OP - saffee is...underwhelming, borderline bad, far from T1 material. Furia needs some young blood or Hen1. And tomorrow Furia fans will get reality check as of why good awper is a must. I don't like sh1ro but oh boy, Furia are getting clapped tomorrow.
2022-09-23 23:14
I watched a lot of try's games and agree 100%. Sick mechanics and he is always good for one safe awp kill per round, but isn't dominating games like top players do because he lacks that insane tier1 game sense. But he just turned 18 and in my opinion has evolved steadly under 00 staff and cold/taco. Very excited to see his form at the RMRs.
2022-09-23 23:40
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Brazil ImReverx
braindead
2022-09-23 22:03
4 replies
why?
2022-09-23 22:05
3 replies
#12
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Brazil ImReverx
not much, don't take it in disrespect but it seems that if a player performs badly in some series the hltv forums already want to kick him
2022-09-23 22:07
2 replies
he has had 1.02 hltv rating entire 2022, 1.00 vs top 20, 0.96 in majors, 0.99 in big events, 1.01 in LAN events it's not like he has some bad series, he is like cerq and poizon it seems like
2022-09-23 22:11
"some series" -smartest HLTV user
2022-09-23 22:36
#3
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Brazil flytw4tp
ZEVY
2022-09-23 22:03
3 replies
#5
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Brazil ImReverx
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2022-09-23 22:04
1 reply
#13
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Brazil flytw4tp
qual foi WOIOIOIEWIEOW new awp king
2022-09-23 22:08
#54
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Brazil Mandarjn
history
2022-09-23 22:44
#4
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Brazil 0mega_
The truth is that NA rating means nothing, junior proved that already
2022-09-23 22:04
10 replies
Osee too A monster in NA, kitty in EU Tier 1
2022-09-23 22:06
8 replies
Well, not like NA has much awpers to offer and oSee is reliable enough, no carry potential tho but when you have players like NAF,Yekindar and Elige you don't necessarily need S1mple tier awper as there is going to be just way too much "clash of egos".
2022-09-23 23:18
7 replies
Just import an EU tier 2 awper
2022-09-23 23:21
6 replies
CIS* If EU had any decent awpers left, my flair wouldn't be so bad and many other teams.
2022-09-23 23:23
5 replies
Astralis doesn't want to internationalize the lineup, the only thing left is the horrible Farlig... And EU is full of young talent awpers, just have a good scouter
2022-09-23 23:28
4 replies
Well, NiP are willing to yet stuck with no other than Es3tag. I really don't see the said awpers you're talking about. SunPayus, maybe torszi (not doing very well against top10 teams, so questionable) who else?
2022-09-23 23:31
3 replies
It's hard to say good names now because the transfer window has already closed, but post Major they can find good options if they have a good scouter, maybe a Headtr1ck for example
2022-09-23 23:37
2 replies
CIS.
2022-09-23 23:39
1 reply
CIS = Oceania
2022-09-23 23:41
2022-09-23 22:07
If they actually wanted to replace him then maybe that nqz dude from 9z would be good?
2022-09-23 22:04
1 reply
#48
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Brazil talesmarqs
problably the best option
2022-09-23 22:34
#7
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Chad dooddi
pain had probably way more passive tactics
2022-09-23 22:05
1 reply
Good point. Hen1, Hen1. Lowkey, Hen1 really fits their aggressive playstyle.
2022-09-23 23:18
yuurih + kscerato are good and drop holds his own I'm just wondering what they can do to take the next step. They've won 0 tier 1 trophies for 2 years if you don't count IEM Fall NA rmr in 2021.
2022-09-23 22:07
1 reply
-saffee -drop +fallen +fer
2022-09-23 23:36
hen1 plz
2022-09-23 22:10
furia need hen1, zevy or try
2022-09-23 22:15
3 replies
forgot what I said saffee legend
2022-09-23 22:17
2 replies
ahahahah aged like milk yeah
2022-09-23 22:27
1 reply
reverse jinx
2022-09-23 22:34
KnG in Furia would be the best change
2022-09-23 22:16
4 replies
You sure? I never thought kng was mechanically gifted enough for tier 1 wouldn't hen1 be better pickup? or don't brazil have any wonderkids I mean kscerato is 23, yuurih is 22 and drop is 18. If they teach a up and coming awper for a year or two they will still be in their prime if they still have dedication and passion for cs.
2022-09-23 22:18
3 replies
nqz is having an impeccable performance at 9z, seems to be a promising boy
2022-09-23 22:26
I like him and he likes to perform in the stage, something furia really needs. About wonderkids there are some options: -nqz (17y and doing a really good job at 9z); -try (18y and is very promising); -zevy (21y and his starts in pain is really good) - brnz4n (19y - not really a awp, but already played in this role at mibr and did a great job) I really like Hen1, thinks he is the best right now, but I wanna see him more in mibr!
2022-09-23 22:31
HEN1 bestest option skill-wise. KNG is streaky and a few years removed from his prime, but actually his style would fit well in Furia.
2022-09-23 23:47
#18
ZywOo | 
Singapore Fr0th
and he clutches a 1v3 with 1 HP
2022-09-23 22:16
1 reply
+1
2022-09-23 22:17
What did you say?
2022-09-23 22:17
Holy fuck what a clutch
2022-09-23 22:17
1 reply
+1
2022-09-23 22:17
Omfg...
2022-09-23 22:17
#23
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Thailand new!
1
2022-09-23 22:17
1HP 1v3 EZ
2022-09-23 22:18
2 replies
Insane clutch
2022-09-23 22:18
saffee to rifler :D
2022-09-23 22:22
#26
jks | 
Denmark rolade
I believe that Furia can do 3 things: Remove Art, Saffee & drop, then get Fallen, fer and Vini. This would surely make them worthy again. Or they could Remove Saffee, then get nqz and risk it for some young guns. Or they could just simply add Hen1 back
2022-09-23 22:17
13 replies
but fallen and fer are so old, it doesn't seem sustainable in the long run
2022-09-23 22:21
3 replies
#39
jks | 
Denmark rolade
That is true But karrigan was also old and he won a major. anything is possible and i think if Furia scores a major, fallen and fer wont have much more reason to stay on furia except win more. So honestly their at the age where they cant lose anything. They should just go for it.
2022-09-23 22:23
2 replies
You're not wrong, I'm just worried if it takes like 1-2 years for them to become good and then they win like 2 events before retiring.
2022-09-23 22:26
1 reply
#63
jks | 
Denmark rolade
fer is always good Fallen has been the captain we know and is atleast proven in tier 1 and VINI is also a beast who proved himself + he already played with KSCERATO and yuurih
2022-09-23 22:56
#69
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Brazil Elakk
This is one of the worst takes i've ever seen on this site
2022-09-23 23:06
6 replies
#87
jks | 
Denmark rolade
So? What would you do exactly? Let them stay as they are? Saffee buttom fraggin all day long? There aint many good brazilian players to replace the problems
2022-09-23 23:21
5 replies
#103
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Brazil Elakk
yes, let them stay what they are changing now would be stupidity he's an amazing player and an amazing awper, but isn't the star player
2022-09-23 23:45
4 replies
#108
jks | 
Denmark rolade
This is truly the brazilian mindset Yes yes, let him stay while having a rating of 1.00 against top 10 in 2022 this is definitly "NOT" a problem what so ever
2022-09-24 00:20
3 replies
#111
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Brazil Elakk
1.00 rating against top 10 while not being the star player is bad? For a team that is as consistent as furia? cmon dude stop with the cap the problem with furia is not firepower and we know that if they crumble in EPL/RIO MAJOR then you can talk about changes you can't just change a player until you find someone that will have a good rating because you just fuck up chemistry all around and throw all the work done in the garbage not every team is faze or navi
2022-09-24 00:28
2 replies
#112
jks | 
Denmark rolade
Also not saying Saffee is a star player is kinda weak bro he has hard carrying Pain and switches nothing when joining Furia. If anything there is just a skillcap when Saffee found out what T1 cs looked like. Stop the delusional thoughts here When i look at the top 20 teams in the world. All the teams that are having succes have a AWPer who does shit.
2022-09-24 00:30
1 reply
#113
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Brazil Elakk
He was hard carrying pain cause >online >tier 2 cs >was the star player >much slower gameplay >always had the awp, literally On FURIA >mostly lan >tier 1 cs >not the star player >very different style of play (fast and slow) >can't always play with the awp it's impossible to compare him on both teams I get that every team that got top 1 or won a major had an amazing awper, but FURIA can work it out the way they are The price of players is really high nowadays and even if FURIA has big sponsors they can't just buyout every awper hoping that someone will be insane, because their system limits what the awper can do (HEN1 being a exception, since he was really good with difficult shots and played very agressively)
2022-09-24 00:36
#114
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Brazil TonimSan
The concept of how FURIA plays is arT + guerri. They are the identity of this team. I see no point to remover the IGL for Fallen. Fer and VINI ok, I think would be an upgrade, and arT can awp too (he did when they had disableJ).
2022-09-24 00:37
It amazes me that people still believe in fallen's igl in 2022
2022-09-24 00:48
1 hp Bomb plant 1v2
2022-09-23 22:18
#29
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Brazil Pelincha
1x3 1hp lul
2022-09-23 22:18
aged like
2022-09-23 22:18
#33
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United States Jeebur
Furias. System. Is. Hard. For. AWPers.
2022-09-23 22:18
5 replies
There are many teams that really restrict their awpers. Spirit being one of them (according to degster). I'm not saying post 1.30+ hltv rating but 1.02?
2022-09-23 22:19
3 replies
#38
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United States Jeebur
Its undeniable that he doesnt fit their system and cant adapt to it but the reason is that FURIAs system is really difficult to adapt to and has been formed by a core who have been on the same team for 4 years. Before saffee they tried Junior and honda who arent great but couldnt adapt either
2022-09-23 22:23
2 replies
Yeah I understand what you are saying. But I just feel like they should achieve more when they have yuurih and kscerato who are top 10/15 players with drop as a solid teammate aswell.
2022-09-23 22:25
1 reply
drop is trash though
2022-09-23 23:48
#41
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Brazil 0mega_
Lol junior fanboy coping still? HEN1 got top 20 because...?
2022-09-23 22:26
bring back hen1 maybe
2022-09-23 22:32
#52
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United States 1Tuurtle
Awpers don’t really work in furia’s system imo. The only one that has in the past was hen1, and he’s South America’s best awper
2022-09-23 22:42
3 replies
#58
togs | 
Brazil hfdjk
I think the goal of the system is to win matches and not to make players ratings higher.
2022-09-23 22:47
1 reply
#88
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United States 1Tuurtle
Yeah, but I'm kinda tired of every time Furia plays people saying "saffee bad" when it's just history repeating itself
2022-09-23 23:22
+1 spot on. I know junior said (in his infamous us and liquid are 50/50 interview) that "My game is like, I think on T side, supporting riflers getting map control, holding angles for them, flashing for them, but FURIA it was just like... arT goes here and we go here, or arT goes here and we go with him, and it wasn't really what I wanted to do. I tried talking to guerri and arT and giving my opinion on some things, but in the end it just didn't work out." Basically it seems FURIA doesn't really set up their awpers good enough, and they aren't adapting to the skillsets of the AWPers they do have. It seems they got really lucky with HEN1 because his AWPing style matched up with them, so him leaving really sucks for both parties.
2022-09-23 23:10
saffee is better with an rifle than with an AWP
2022-09-23 22:42
2 replies
#73
NiKo | 
Czech Republic Hyna12
Not good for him. They need an awper and if he wont deliver they can't keep him if they want to compete with the best teams
2022-09-23 23:12
1 reply
I know. I believe they will prob bench him after the major if they don't reach atleast the semifinals
2022-09-23 23:16
#56
togs | 
Brazil hfdjk
Should not care about ratings if you are winning.
2022-09-23 22:47
5 replies
That would be true if they were top 5, or actually winning tournaments. They have kscerato and yuurih duo, drop is solid player, if only they had an awper who had a little more impact they could be a dangerous team.
2022-09-23 22:58
4 replies
#67
togs | 
Brazil hfdjk
They just beat the #3 team in the rankings and saffee had 1.3 rating before he was picked.
2022-09-23 23:00
3 replies
Yeah but he's been in furia for 9 months and hasn't really improved "he has had 1.02 hltv rating entire 2022, 1.00 vs top 20, 0.96 in majors, 0.99 in big events, 1.01 in LAN events " this match he had 0.96 hltv rating but he had some impactful rounds
2022-09-23 23:03
2 replies
#70
togs | 
Brazil hfdjk
You are tying HLTV rating to improvement. Maybe if he changes position inside the team his rating increases but the team gets worse overall. Im not disagreeing that he could get better but this "upgrade" mentality all the time its annoying asf.
2022-09-23 23:08
1 reply
#76
NiKo | 
Czech Republic Hyna12
Man.. saffeee can't hit easy shots.. position change wont help him
2022-09-23 23:14
On Pain he was kicking NA clown teams like Extra Salt etc , now he is playing tier1 CS... I think he is really regular. Actually, I think arT is way better than him with the AWP, but Saffee plays the AK very well though
2022-09-23 22:54
1 reply
#75
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Scotland Raziel1911
Saffee was insane with the AWP at the Stockholm major with Pain that's why Furia signed him. When he's on form he is really good with the awp but yeah, this event he has been a lot better with the rifle.
2022-09-23 23:13
FURIA has a crazy development system, art makes incredibly good reads, yuurih + ks are two of the most reliable riflers in the world, if saffee and drop (weak links in the team) get the mental strength they need, they will be super scary this rio major. saffee is not 100% comfortable yet but furia has the right riflers to give him support. he will just become better and better as they play more tier 1 events, im impressed with their form after three whole months without officials
2022-09-23 22:58
#74
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Switzerland mpedrini
1 - he had a good rating at pain cause he was playing tier 2 events at NA and SA 2 - furia plays in a way faster pace, he used to play slow at pain
2022-09-23 23:12
1 reply
#79
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Scotland Raziel1911
Saffee played extremely well at the Stockholm Major, which is why Furia signed him so he wasn't just farming Tier 2. Your second point does make sense though.
2022-09-23 23:15
#93
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Brazil assisz
tbh SA doesn't have big names to replace saffee, maybe the best options are: try, zevy and maybe HEN1 but all options are uncertain
2022-09-23 23:28
#98
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Brazil CookieH
paiN's style was to improve saffee gameplay, furia has other style and that's one of the reasons he didn't have that good numbers like 2021 on NA
2022-09-23 23:39
Furia trash when dont buy try.
2022-09-23 23:45
Furia simply doesn't know how to use awpers they've killed every talented awper they've picked up since hen1 left
2022-09-23 23:56
Furia never has produced a crazy awper because of there playstyle. Maybe there system is not built for awpers or maybe safee needs to become more aggressive like the plan and stlye and go for aggressive peeks
2022-09-24 00:48
+fallen
2022-09-24 00:54
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