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34 y/o reaction speed
Europe migipop 
Do you think this guy at 34 y/o could still play pro? youtube.com/watch?v=KbZEYWpTE_E Seems like he still got it
2022-09-25 04:49
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zoomers think 35 yo is 75
2022-09-25 04:57
26 replies
+1 Hamilton and Alonso in the form of their lives at the mid/end of their 30s in a sport where reaction time is one of the most important things
2022-09-25 13:11
20 replies
Alonso is much better than Hamilton though
2022-09-25 14:02
16 replies
#122
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Europe Mand1ng0
True
2022-09-25 18:21
2 replies
Alonso how many WC?
2022-09-25 18:48
1 reply
ok carmilton fan
2022-09-25 21:58
alonso garbage
2022-09-25 18:46
#139
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Denmark V1tus
Got beat by lewis in his first season lmao
2022-09-25 21:22
11 replies
I'd like to know how it happened but I don't wanna watch the entire season. Hamilton is so inferior in all aspects, carried by a superior car his entire career but somehow he beat Alonso in the same car a decade ago, my mind can't solve this puzzle
2022-09-25 21:32
9 replies
#147
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Denmark V1tus
Literally the GOAT, man won GP3 with a broken wrist, but he was scared that it would get out and he would lose his sponsorship from mclaren. So he just went quiet about it. Still won 15 out of 20 rounds against the likes of Sebastian Vettel, Lucas de Grassi and Sutil...
2022-09-25 21:42
7 replies
Goat where man? He's a beta, has mommy issues, needs a babysitter (angela), he's not the face of competition, having him 7 times wc totally unmask f1 as a sport where skill matters. But in the end of the day skill is nothing in f1 indeed, the better cars always win... His face is actually the face of f1, wow Thanks for listening to my monologue
2022-09-25 21:48
I know nothing about F1. Tell me why I only hear about Hamilton, Alonso etc, is it cuz they always get the fastest cars to race or are giga talented and win with shitty cars as well?
2022-09-26 01:04
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#181
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Denmark V1tus
Alonso very unlucko, much like Guardian Hamilton is like device, built Mercedes up around him, insanely consistent and genuinely likeable. Had a couple of mediocre cars before Merc, like device before astralis. Hamilton won everything there is to win, 7 WDC, Formula 2, Formula 3. and so on
2022-09-26 11:58
4 replies
"likeable" 70% of normal humans disagree
2022-09-26 23:41
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#194
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Denmark V1tus
Average max fan
2022-09-27 00:07
1 reply
gasly fan but go ahead
2022-09-28 02:12
idc about Hamilton, but you cant say he is like device and "genuinely likeable" in the same sentence...
2022-09-29 08:50
youtu.be/mIdiv_GJkiw these are good on youtube if u dont wanna watch every full race.
2022-09-25 21:43
McLaren lmao
2022-09-25 21:33
I think experience matters more tho
2022-09-25 21:30
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and stamina.. being at your best the entire race will matter much more than 20ms reaction speed difference
2022-09-26 02:36
No, reaction time is not the most important part of F1, you already know where you need to brake, its about timing and ultimate car control and feeling for grip, reaction times are not the be all and end all.
2022-09-26 02:59
They are a silly group of people.. Feels like they know and understand nothing.
2022-09-25 18:26
+1 honestly 40+ people could be pro if they had the motivation and drive
2022-09-25 21:52
+1
2022-09-26 22:51
+1
2022-09-27 14:14
#200
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Other roeJ_fan
+1
2022-09-27 14:34
#3
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United States zovint
Overrated player
2022-09-25 04:59
15 replies
#11
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Canada f0rkb0mb
dude .. we're from NA, come on, srsly.
2022-09-25 05:46
9 replies
lol
2022-09-25 08:30
aware
2022-09-25 10:12
based XD
2022-09-25 12:10
hehe
2022-09-25 18:26
#138
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United States poL_aris
xD
2022-09-25 21:18
Canada is aware
2022-09-26 02:29
#166
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Brazil TiagoQc
Aware moment
2022-09-26 02:34
XAXAXAXAXA IM DYING
2022-09-26 22:52
hahahahaha
2022-09-29 07:42
0/8 Flag
2022-09-25 08:32
expected from flair and flag
2022-09-25 09:56
#69
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Puerto Rico zywh032
valolrant country talking about cs
2022-09-25 10:15
>forest >overrated pick one
2022-09-25 13:19
0/8
2022-09-25 20:51
#4
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Canada SparklMastr
he's pretty much the only person his age and above in pro cs that isn't considered super washed by the community, I think he still has the skill for T2 at least
2022-09-25 05:03
1 reply
I think t1.5 if he could form good team
2022-09-25 18:27
#5
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Brazil hugoooo
That was a crazy shot... but let's not forget this is the GOAT of Counter-Strike, not a fair comparison with other 34yo
2022-09-25 05:04
21 replies
#45
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Czech Republic Evis1337
karrigan is 32 and winning majors lil bro but then again he was one of the goats in 1.6 as well
2022-09-25 09:07
20 replies
#61
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Brazil _Awper
Karrigan was never considered a goat lol Also, people here are clearly talking about skill and not tactics.
2022-09-25 09:49
18 replies
#66
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Czech Republic Evis1337
_Awper, you know much about CS 1.6 I see. Karrigan was insane in that game. I said he was one of the best, not the best.
2022-09-25 10:14
8 replies
#73
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Brazil _Awper
He was definitely a good player when 1.6 (2012) was declining/dying, but I can't see how he would be any close to the GOATS contender like you said.
2022-09-25 10:28
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#86
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Czech Republic Evis1337
ur english is limited. i understand, i see the flag
2022-09-25 11:18
5 replies
#88
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Brazil _Awper
Yeah sure, nice ad hominem.
2022-09-25 11:22
2 replies
#115
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Netherlands Datsun510
+1
2022-09-25 13:25
+1
2022-09-25 18:23
his english is fine everyone with 1 braincell knows what he means maybe your brain is limited
2022-09-25 13:24
1 reply
#116
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Czech Republic Evis1337
he clearly does not understand figurative meaning of a word "goat", nor does he understand form of a noun used to show there are more than one. but nt bulgaria.
2022-09-25 13:32
+1 karrigan was never GOAT at the peak of cs 1.6, and skill wise he was never even GOAT in any counter strike version. It just shows that tactics overall matter more than raw skill
2022-09-25 15:37
Karrigan was crazy at 1.6, not goat maybe but one of top guys. Also wasn’t leading his team as in game leader.
2022-09-25 10:18
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#71
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Brazil _Awper
I know. But goat? Which is what the Czech choose to say.
2022-09-25 10:23
7 replies
He said “one of “
2022-09-25 11:14
6 replies
#90
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Brazil _Awper
Yes... Karrigan isn't one of the cs 1.6 GOATS... He was really good for only one year and was the last 1.6 pro year...
2022-09-25 11:23
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#92
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Czech Republic Evis1337
2 years = 1 year and he was still easily one of the best players at his time. doesnt matter if it was only 2 years. at 2012, the 1.6 players were better than ever before, so your point ltierally makes no sense
2022-09-25 11:29
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#99
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Brazil _Awper
You clearly didn't watch back then to say such a thing... CSGO literally saved the franchise because CS 1.6 was dying and was a super niche game at the time, he was easily one of the best in 2012 = 1 year. I started watching cs in 2010 I remember pretty well how things were back then. Prime 1.6 was 2006-2010, that's when we had the best players.
2022-09-25 12:34
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#100
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Czech Republic Evis1337
CS 1.6 was not dying, you're literally fkn clueless. Stop baiting
2022-09-25 12:38
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#102
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Brazil _Awper
Yes, it was. I'm talking about the pro scene, many players retire because of a lack of tournaments and sponsors.
2022-09-25 12:42
I'm with you a long way, but karrigan were also one of the best in the game in mousesports, not only in fnatic. I remember reading a big article about what year was the most competitive year of 1.6 and that was 2008. Most teams could beat each other that year, but mtw just happened to be the team on top over and over.
2022-09-29 08:26
#96
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Europe Zinn0
He is an igl do, doesn't have to shoot that hard
2022-09-25 11:42
Boomers like Novak, Federer, Nadal, Ronaldo and Messi are destroying kids in their prime I think people using a mouse will be fine. The problem with computer games as you get older it's just not as engaging as a physical sport.
2022-09-25 05:09
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Unfortunately Federer retired and Ronaldo is not doing very well, but I still agree with the point
2022-09-25 05:29
This isn’t a good argument physical sports players are able to play at a much older age than esports players because physical sports generally don’t require the split second reactions that esports does
2022-09-25 05:42
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#12
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United Kingdom lucina
Muh mouse clicking
2022-09-25 06:03
1 reply
#77
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Finland Faust_fSt
+1
2022-09-25 10:52
Tell me you dont do sports without telling me you dont do sports, I'm not surprised about your flag at all
2022-09-25 06:04
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Pls explain what is wrong with this Explain why generally most professional sports players (take basketball for example) they play into their 40s, and why cs players generally don’t last past 30
2022-09-25 08:53
22 replies
average retirement age is just under 30 in basketball, so it’s rather question of dedication
2022-09-25 09:03
1 reply
Then let me phrase it like this - why did/are the all time greats (lebron, curry, Kobe, Jordan) etc at all-star levels late into their 30s, whereas all time cs greats (neo, Edward, shox, etc) having their performance drop off a Cliff as they near 30? F0rest is like the only exception, and a rare outlier at that This is an age discrepancy that is hard to ignore, and it can’t all be chalked up to “social obligations”
2022-09-25 11:11
#43
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Denmark sNju
Wtf are you talking about? The average age of basketball players quitting, is "into their 40's" ? "the average retirement age of an NBA player is 28, with an average playing career of 5 years." Physical sports require peak performance. Very few "freaks" perform so well, that they dominate into their late 30's. The average DOES NOT. It's mostly about mental drive. Most people, even pro athletes, will at one point settle with what they achieved. And then they stop grinding hard. This is the same for CSGO pros. If GTR would grind 24/7 as when he was young, he would probably still be the best CSGO player around. Human reaction times doesn't slow down that much, that it would fully explain why a 34 yo shouldn't be able to still compete at the top. His/her increased knowledge of tactics etc, should easily be able to make up for a slower reaction time.
2022-09-25 09:04
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#48
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Czech Republic Evis1337
people actually stupid if they think at 34 your reaction time is significantly worse than 20. when I was 20 years old my reaction time was worse than it is now
2022-09-25 09:08
6 replies
#51
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Denmark sNju
I found a study performed on RTS players, showing that reaction time peaks at age 24.
2022-09-25 09:11
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#54
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Czech Republic Evis1337
well i am 25 now and i average 148 ms, so it would check out then I guess. how about 20 vs 30 years old? is 30 worse?
2022-09-25 09:18
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#64
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Denmark sNju
I think 30 is slightly worse than 20 yeah. I'm 36, and I don't feel my reaction time being much worse than in my 20's. Also tried reaction time tests online, and used to average 170-180ms, and I am pretty sure I'm still under 200ms. Also, 148ms is pretty crazy. Where did you test that?
2022-09-25 10:08
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#67
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Czech Republic Evis1337
Humanbenchmark Also it's not giving me that much advantage in CS, so I don't really understand the fuss about it.
2022-09-25 10:17
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#74
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Denmark sNju
I agree, there's tons of other things that's more important than reaction time.
2022-09-25 10:29
+1 its all about the tactics today anyways
2022-09-26 01:19
#43 Also I feel like the “avg age for retirement” being 28 is skewed by a lot of players that are in and out of the Leauge in a short span cuz they’re not good enough Actual productive players will generally stay in the Leauge for 15-20 seasons, nearing their late 30s and early 40s by the time they retire Lebron for example.
2022-09-25 11:14
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#103
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Denmark sNju
You are talking a lot without backing it up with numbers. I already pointed out that a few freaks perform very well, even at +35.
2022-09-25 12:55
8 replies
What numbers do I need to back up? The best in the game at some point - neo, Edward, etc. were barely tier one past age 28 The fair comparison here is to the best in the game in their respective sports, and in the nba that would be ppl like bron, curry, kd, who are all well into their 30s So again, I ask: why do esports players suck at their late 20s, whereas professional sports players start sucking at their late 30s?
2022-09-25 20:52
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#173
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Denmark sNju
You are either stupid or unable to read. You fail to understand all my points and keep circling around an invalid point. CSGO is a very new esport. When players make €10M/year, and when we get the first real freaks then you can compare. Who says s1mple wont dominate until 35?
2022-09-26 08:06
6 replies
You have yet to refute my main point - why is there a half a decade to a decade discrepancy between esports players and sports players when it comes to their last time with decent production? Maybe monetary motivation is an issue? I'm willing to concede that. But I'm fairly certain players have been very well compensated, especially in recent times, but we still see a trend of them falling off a cliff, and I don't think its reasonable to say that it is the main causal factor. I would say most tier1 players are making 6 figure salaries, not even including streaming/sponsorship revenue, which makes it very unlikely that monetary motivation plays that huge of a role
2022-09-26 09:52
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#182
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Denmark sNju
There is not. I and others have pointed out several times that you are wrong. You use a handful of freaks to prove your point. It doesn't work like that. Give CSGO X years and we will see the same freaks here. Jesus christ the scene is so small that you can almost name them all. Most pros played csgo as a hobby, which eventually was enough. You know how hard it is to become a soccer pro? There's statistics for each position, and let's say you're born in December in Denmark... tough luck, it's practically impossible. It was/is a real issue that we were taught at coaching classes, that the system favors kids born January-August. Everything is so fine-tuned, scouts everywhere, millions of Euro for even shitty players. Only the best of the best make it. Quite literally. Billions play soccer, hundreds of millions of kids in clubs, and yet only a few thousand play at the top level of the 10-15 biggest leagues. And you compare that to someone being told by his parents to stop being a nerd and go outside. Soccer parents drive their kids to practice 3-4 times a week, we had kids +100km away because our youth department was very well known. Look at tennis kids, etc etc... And this is just European sports. NBA has a fucking height requirement. It's the freaks-only sport. You really have no clue about how big sports like soccer are, if you compare it to CSGO. And yet, where are the superstar 40 yo? I can only think of Zlatan, Ronaldo, Messi and goalkeepers ever being relevant at 40. Pirlo maybe... It's so fucking rare.
2022-09-26 11:59
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Really? You genuinely think that the all time greats weren’t grinding cs and playing it solely as a hobby? Even though they travel all offer the world and play tournaments for half the year, while often streaming and grinding in their off time? You genuinely believe that this is just a “hobby” for these greats? Maybe we don’t have enough data, while far fetched, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility. And I don’t care about superstar 40yos, I’m saying that they’re able to keep production up into their mid 30s, whereas cs played drop off a Cliff at around 28. Until you can refute the fact that there are 0 high production 30+ year olds other than f0rest (and we don’t really know at that cuz he willingly plays in tier 2) whereas there are still extremely high production players across all sports in their mid to late 30s, I’m standing firm on my point.
2022-09-26 17:50
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#184
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Denmark sNju
I don't just think - I know. I remember seeing Zonic in an internet café in Roskilde, back when we were teenagers. They were just a bunch of kids having fun. All of us were. And some of them were lucky that their parents had a good computer at home, or that they didn't have a bigger brother always using it. What you fail to realize, is that you want to see 40 yo pros, when it's literally fucking impossible my dude. I was 15 when we got ADSL. My dad was a software programmer, and had access to business internet connections, and I was one of the first to really have high speed internet back then. I was 15 when CS came out of beta... So you want someone 4 years older than me - 19 when CS came out of beta - to have been a pro since the start? It's just not possible my dude. We're starting to see the first kids coming onto the scene that is full-bred CSGO players, from a VERY young age, and able to earn a lot of money from the start. One of those kids will be able to be on top at age 40, without doubt. Again, I don't mean this as an insult, but you don't seem to understand what is being written here... So unless you start understanding and actually responding to the things being told to you, there's no point in continuing.
2022-09-26 22:44
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F0rest has been playing competitively since 2004. Neo has been playing competitively since 2004. Edward has been playing competitively since 2004. Yes, the skill cap was much lower back then. Absolutely. Doesn't mean that they still weren't pros. It was 100% possible. You seem to continuously dodge my point - why is there such a sharp decline? If you want to say "oh its because they haven't been practicing since a young age" What correlation does this have? Some players had played for a decade by the time of their decline. Why didn't it happen in any of their early years? Why were literally EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM elite until around 28? This is a trend you can't ignore, as much as you want to delegate it to "not playing csgo since they were infants." I will absolutely change my mind if these so-called "pure-bred" csgo players end up having the same longevity as professional sports players, but until then, i'm basing my analysis off actual trends in player performance, whilst you're basing yours on future assumptions.
2022-09-27 01:05
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#197
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Denmark sNju
This debate have no conclusion, because the point won't be proven before maybe 2030-2040. So there's no point in keeping it going. I'm pretty sure we will see a handful of CSGO freaks that will dominate even at age 35. I have a feeling that a few of them is already playing right now.
2022-09-27 14:10
#160
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Saint Kitts and Nevis Xeeh
Basketball players usually go downhill at 30 too Only the super elite talents stay to old age and they generally fall off considerably in performance and play a different role with a lot more rest and days off
2022-09-26 01:45
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#174
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Denmark sNju
This exactly.
2022-09-26 08:06
Well you don't play sports, I'm now "old" with 170ms reaction time, the only reason why I'm now average at CS because I simply don't care or wanting to play like I used to. I tell you what f0rest secret is go watch his stream, he always has a smile playing games never tilts and he just absolutely loves to play games, with that attitude you're going to be a good player regardless of age. Many of these young cs players have a chip on their shoulder a point to prove eg just dominating on LAN, how many times have we seen people in this game finally get the trophy and just drop off completely? Ropz is currently in that mode right now.
2022-09-25 07:07
7 replies
Anecdotes =\= evidence, and an outlier doesn’t disprove the norm. Again, why do professional *plysical* sports players last into their forties, and esports players rarely make it past 30?
2022-09-25 08:54
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#44
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Denmark sNju
They don't. Esports is very new, so you also can't say that players "rarely make it past 30".
2022-09-25 09:06
5 replies
You’ll be hard pressed to find tier 1 or tier 2 players above age 30. They are an oddity in the esports world
2022-09-25 11:05
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#104
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Denmark sNju
You respond to my point, without adding anything new. What is your point?
2022-09-25 12:56
3 replies
Esports has beeen around for almost 3 decades, and yet we barely see anyone over age 30 at the top tier of competition So yes, I can say that people rarely make it past 30 in esports
2022-09-25 20:48
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#175
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Denmark sNju
What are you saying kid. I am 36, and I grew up with the birth of esport. It's barely been "real" for one decade. The youth system in Denmark is very new, not even fully established. I would argue this is not even a fully comparable thing yet! When parents push kids from 5 yo to train all day, then we can compare.
2022-09-26 08:09
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ye thats why f0rest has been playing competitively for 2 decades?? just cuz it wasn't popular doesn't mean it wasn't around i suppose there is an argument that the kids aren't pushed from a young age, but im highly skeptical that that makes any significant difference, especially as it has no relevance to why they fall off towards their late 20's after having a 10yr career (gna say the general age for esports players is from 18-28)
2022-09-26 09:11
#27
L.K.S | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis Xeeh
I don't think reaction time is the issue.. People get older and start families and just don't have as much passion for playing competitive e-sports after doing it for 10+ years. They burn out eventually and just can't be bothered to grind all day long anymore
2022-09-25 08:02
20 replies
You can make this EXACT same argument with pro physical sports players, so it’s not a valid
2022-09-25 08:55
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#46
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Denmark sNju
The exact same is true for physical sports players. Which is what makes it valid. You're basing your opinion on false information.
2022-09-25 09:07
14 replies
His point was the players don’t decrease in ability because of bio mechanical factors, but because of real world obligations. My point is that you could say the exact same in reference to soccer or basketball players, yet their careers extend to their late 30s and early 40s whereas most cs players barely crack 30.
2022-09-25 11:00
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#105
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Denmark sNju
That is not the same ffs... Becoming an NBA player is often also a huge social pressure. Coming from a poor family, having to support your family, and making enough to support yourself for the rest of your life. Trust me, all of Astralis know that they need a job when they retire from esports.
2022-09-25 12:58
12 replies
Idk what point ure trying to make I literally said that both sports players and esports players have social obligations so u can’t make that argument as to why they fall off a cliff in performance when they near their late 20s
2022-09-25 20:45
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#161
L.K.S | 
Saint Kitts and Nevis Xeeh
Most real sports players fall off in their late 20s too though.. It's hard too stay at your peak over an extended period of many years. Once you have already "made it" there is probably much less motivation to grind and stay at the top for the average players. The average retirement age for MLB players is 29.5, followed by 28.2 for players in the NHL, 28 for NBA players, and 27.6 for NFL players. Most pro careers only last 3-5 years
2022-09-26 01:51
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#176
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Denmark sNju
I tried debating with facts. He's immune.
2022-09-26 08:10
1 reply
2022-09-26 09:46
Again, that is likely skewed by players who play few seasons because they're not good enough, or they are injured Lets compare top players from the nba to top players from csgo NBA: LeBron - 37 years old, arguably top 5 in the leauge atm Curry - 33 Years old, top 5 player in the leauge Durant - 34 Years old, top 5 player when not injured Kawhi - 31 Years old, top5 - top10 when not injured Carmelo Anthony - currently 38, but During the clippers, around 7 years ago, Arguably top 5 player in the leauge, putting him at 31 These are current players, i could go back and look at the general list of all time greats, and the last season they had significant production, which would all be early - mid 30's So now some all time cs greats (im filtering to top30, which is generally considered tier1, but you can even argue that only top20 or even higher is tier1) NEO - 35, Last played for a tier 1 team in 2019 (FaZe), but definitely not a tier 1 player (0.85rating), last time he put up a +1 rating w/ decent overall impact over a year would be 2015, making him 28 at the time. F0rest - Statistical anomaly as we all know, 34 yo, has literally never had a bad year. last year playing tier1 was 2019 with NIP, but hard to know how he'd actually perform in a tier 1 team today, as he'd rather play with friends, so 31 as that was his oldest in NiP shox - 30yo, last year where he had decent production numbers was 2019. (he had 1.06 rating in 2020, but dismal ADR, which puts his actual mechanical impact pretty low), so 27 while still having o.k production Get_right - 32, Last good year was 2017 (it's actually surprising how sharp of a cliff he fell off from 2017-2018 against top 30), putting him at 27. Guardian - 31. Last year with good impact was 2018. (adr is dogshit for most years but he is an awper so excusable) so 27. kennyS - 27 - one of the best mechanics player to ever play, last year with good impact 2020, putting him at 25. And for good measure, one last pre-csgo great Edward - 34 - Last year with decent impact was 2017/2016. (i lean towards 2016 because his 2017 rating was decent, but as a rifler, he had shit adr and almost shit impact, whereas 2016 he was decent for every category) so 28/29. so 28, 31, 27, 27, 25, 28/29. I could keep doing this for many other all time greats, but these are off the top of my head. Do you see the trend here? Why are these widely considered all time greats falling off towards their late 20's (and you can make the argument for even earlier, i was very lenient with my judgement of top tier production) whereas all time greats in basketball (and i'm certain i could do the same for most other sports, but i only am familiar with basketball) are still having record level production in their mid to late 30s?
2022-09-26 09:46
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#185
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Denmark sNju
Can we agree that NBA is not that physically demanding? It's extremely skill based, and also height is a very important factor. Soccer, american football, or icehockey would be better to represent the average sport. The great NBA players you talk about, were all born into a world where "get good at basketball = get rich and live a great life". The CSGO pros you mention, were born into a world with a fucking SEGA where they could play Sonic the Hedgehog. We're so far from the possible skill ceiling in esports. In 10-20 years, the level will be MUCH higher. Just look at kids doing the most crazy things in Fortnite, because they started playing it at age 5... And when they didn't play, they were watching YouTube guides on how to improve.
2022-09-26 22:50
6 replies
"not physically demanding" youtube.com/watch?v=JSFK_1auAAE this is the DUMBEST thing you've said yet. Yes they were born into a world that had not recognized the potential of esports, and yet, those players grinded out the games, some of them for more than a decade? To say that they didn't have dedication is objectively wrong. I want to make this clear. With more data over more time, I could 100% be proven wrong, and i am willing to concede that. But the current trend (and yes, I can say trend, ~2 decades of professional csgo players is a sufficient amount of data for this analysis) is that the split second reactions required for competitive esports is much more emphasized, and as such, these players fall off much more quickly relative to physical sports players.
2022-09-27 00:57
5 replies
#199
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Denmark sNju
I said "not THAT physically demanding". Didn't Michael Jordan smoke cigars all the time? Obviously they are fit etc, but it's not like they're Ronaldo-fit. Football players are way more fit than basketball players. There's no fucking way you will ever change my mind on that. I never said current CSGO pros never grinded, or don't grind at the moment. But if you have a freak athlete in 1 out of a million, then there's a very small chance that we have one in CSGO right now. Whereas there's a reason why we're seeing a handful of them right now, in traditional sports.
2022-09-27 14:30
4 replies
because smoking cigars is totally indicative of physical performance!!! dude stop being delusional please if soccer players are more conditioned, its not by a wide enough margin to make any significant difference
2022-09-27 20:51
3 replies
#206
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Denmark sNju
Being able to be that good, and smoke cigars, just proves that it doesn't require that much. They can just go sit down and relax... bitch ass sport. Football players do high intensity sprints for 90 minutes, often covering 12km. And that is often at top speed. Football players are in way better shape in general.
2022-09-28 07:51
2 replies
compare lebron and ronaldo's physiques you will find 0 difference except that lebron is bigger, but they're both extremely well conditioned
2022-09-29 00:41
1 reply
#212
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Denmark sNju
You are delusional bro. Ronaldo is peak level human physique. And i'm not even a fan.
2022-09-29 07:27
Have you ever considered that the player base or gamers in general are not equipped mentally to deal with pressures of being in a professional environment compared to elite sports players? You do realize like 0.01% of sports players are actually make it to the elite level? Sports players are the best of the best of the best and the pool of players is much larger than any game player base. RoeJ is a good example, he started at a late age but he is hungry as ever since he has only been in the scene for a small amount of time, he's fresh not burnt out maybe if he started early like the rest of the pros he would be "washed" by now.
2022-09-25 10:17
3 replies
I find it hard to believe that players crack under pressure if they’ve been competing for years. People have long and illustrious careers in counter strike. And you’re saying that, for some inexplicable reason, they start having to deal with pressure when they’re older, and NOT when they’re younger? Could it maybe be that they’re skills, while still in the top 99.9 percentile of human mechanical ability, have diminished because the curve falls off much more heavily for games that require split second reactions?
2022-09-25 11:04
2 replies
Pressure is one mental aspect. You win.
2022-09-25 11:40
1 reply
#187
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Denmark sNju
You are absolutely right, and I actually thought it was common knowledge. Apparently our American friend here, just won't listen/understand.
2022-09-26 22:52
this is what came first in my mind
2022-09-25 09:10
good point, Michael Schumacher at 37 years old almost won the championship and may have gotten two more had he stayed in the sport in 2007 and 2008
2022-09-25 06:11
You have a point but Ronaldo and Messi are far from their prime
2022-09-25 07:48
i stopped playin dota like 5-6 years ago, yet watching every single major and international and getting excited about it more than about any real world sport
2022-09-25 11:24
18/19 frame reaction time on 60fps video is 300ms. ie, slow
2022-09-25 05:40
6 replies
thats time-to-damage, not reaction time and 300ms is insane
2022-09-25 06:09
5 replies
300ms is not good - youtube.com/watch?v=AZ11MP0cUcE and I measured from when he first appears to when f0rest starts moving crosshair towards him. I measure 19 from one pixel showing, more like 15 for half body 15/60 = 250ms. still slow csgo doesn't need much aim anyway, so my point isn't old=bad or low reaction time = hardstuck master guardian
2022-09-25 06:12
4 replies
once again, time-to-damage is not the same as reaction time. clicking a solid color on a screen is nothing like reacting to a moving target on a screen, while working out where on the screen it is, and how much you have to move your mouse to hit it (for reference, the average TTD for a lvl10 is a bit over 500ms)
2022-09-25 06:16
1 reply
useless stat for a few reasons. first, this isn't an average shot. second, I didn't measure time to damage at all. I measured from as soon as he starts moving his crosshair. you don't see a target, pause to 'work out' where it is on the screen and how much you have to move, you just move as soon as you see it and register it as something that needs shooting. The shot itself is also abnormal. Most shots in CS are either taken by you peaking onto a (pretty much) stationary target where you can place your crosshair beforehand, or on a peaking target on an angle you are holding (crosshair already in place). All you had to say was that the shot itself was impressive, you didn't have to bring in reaction time at all. Also, if you'll note, the enemy's TTD here was even better than f0rest's. Just another reason why the 'TTD' stat is useless in this scenario I count 27 frames from target appearing to f0rest shooting. you can knock off 3 for when the target is barely visible. this gives a TTD of 400/450ms. Yes, 'lower than average compared to a lvl10' and in a noticeably harder situation *I'm well aware enemy's TTD was influenced by the info that f0rest was upper mid, and so he could place his crosshair and react faster because he knows what he has to react to and when (peaker's advantage)
2022-09-25 06:30
dude THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between REACTION TIME in csgo and TIME TO DAMAGE you know? when you see the enemy, he usually isnt in your crosshair- you have to move- you know? add the time of your movement to your reaction= you have the important time- time to damage which matters most in the game average lvl10 TTD is like 500ms, average global 600ms, average pro 400ms - my reaction time is roughly about 160-170ms , depends on the mood, etc. but my average TTD is 535ms (2.8k elo bot)
2022-09-25 21:31
1 reply
My point is that the reaction time of the clip is not impressive, the adjustment to the enemy is >when you see the enemy, he usually isnt in your crosshair speak for yourself. learn crosshair placement. in CS you can predict 90% of duels. this isn't quake
2022-09-25 22:14
#10
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Ukraine ksay
f0rest can average pro can not
2022-09-25 05:43
f0rest is still better than 80% of t1 pros , a big waste that he never wanted to go in a team without his friends but when you look at every other old players they are so bad. the one who shocked me the most are shox & neo. shox the 1st by far he wasn't even that old & he was already washed up like he is 80 years old gran pa
2022-09-25 06:22
2 replies
He is definitely the only old pro who I don't call washed, but I'm not so sure about being better than 80% of the t1 pros mate, that seems like too high of a number
2022-09-25 15:44
1 reply
yeah agree , you can say he is comparable to t1 players.
2022-09-26 02:32
Expecting oskar Forrest adapt to CSGO very well , his aim is still insane, recently played 1.6 and that was the game made for him. So much respect for the passion he showed and is a nice person overall. No one can have a career better than him
2022-09-25 06:21
he is 34 not 80
2022-09-25 06:41
prob mentality changes when you alive for so many years and if you have good memory must be thinking im old af. But if strong mentality 30's can keep up sometimes
2022-09-25 07:06
Im 34 too and I dont feel like my reaction has reduced very much over the years. I think lack of motivation is the main reason people fall off when they reach some age.
2022-09-25 07:45
Being a 33 year old myself, i dont find it hard to top any dm i step into. I was Mge last time i had a rank. Its just that any additional improvement to effort ratio is too much for me to put in due to different life commitments. The main challenge to improving is motivation. Also people get bored too with time. As we grow up we find different passions that make sense at that age.
2022-09-25 07:55
12 replies
#29
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Sweden pawn73
damn u 33? sad :(
2022-09-25 08:19
11 replies
And you're like 15? Sad?
2022-09-25 09:13
#56
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Europe Vallon5(1)
Lol, brainless zoomer.
2022-09-25 09:22
You have 2044 comments in a year, sad.
2022-09-25 10:59
what how is that sad? I swear the amount of kids on this site lmao
2022-09-25 13:08
Its ok kiddo. You will be 33 one day
2022-09-25 18:51
sweden just got rekt
2022-09-26 00:53
5 replies
#163
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Sweden pawn73
I feel so defeated by these grandpas omg brah
2022-09-26 02:30
3 replies
at least you still life in a great country :)))
2022-09-26 02:55
2 replies
#171
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Sweden pawn73
yes its very great here depends on where u live
2022-09-26 03:50
1 reply
I live in the poorest region (Dalarna) still pretty good
2022-09-29 07:44
+1 coping now
2022-09-28 08:07
Reaction time doesn't drop till you're in your 50s to 60s
2022-09-25 08:10
1 reply
Everyone’s different, some people start declining at 30 some 28 some 40. Even if you decline in pure reaction time you can adjust play style and still play at similar levels normally, it’s not like a sudden giant drop
2022-09-25 08:52
#30
FL1T | 
North America mcCM
hes still so good
2022-09-25 08:20
i forgot how ridiculously big old players' crosshairs are. get_right, n0thing, f0rest, all have massive crosshairs
2022-09-25 08:23
6 replies
+1
2022-09-25 08:33
#42
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Denmark RainsChild
?? Forest uses an almost dot that is dynamic
2022-09-25 09:03
1 reply
#94
goyd | 
Japan Dojima
the dynamic dot in question: i.imgur.com/Ov2y85T.png
2022-09-25 11:32
It's worth mentioning that f0rest usually plays with a small crosshair, I believe he only tried that crosshair out for fun.
2022-09-25 13:10
2 replies
Every clip I’ve seen of him he uses that crosshair but I haven’t watched many f0rest clips recently
2022-09-25 18:18
1 reply
He usually uses an almost dot that gets bigger when he shoots (feedback like in 1.6). Lately hes been trying different crosshairs though.
2022-09-25 21:56
Why not? Look at oskar
2022-09-25 09:00
#40
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Denmark RainsChild
Why are you children Acting like 34 is way too old for your reaction time to drastically decrease? I can assure you that niko's and forest's reaction times are almost identical. It's all about the time you put into the game and the passion For eg, karrigan is playing the best vs he's ever played since 1.6 now
2022-09-25 09:02
3 replies
Kids think +30yo people are living dinosaurs.
2022-09-25 09:14
A good amount of users here are in their teens, and as such they think any age above 25 is dinosaur tier. I mean, I used to think 18 was old when I was 10. It's just a lack of perspective.
2022-09-25 13:13
I agree 34 years is not old, but karrigan is not a good example tbh, his success is mainly coming from his brain and not his fragging or reactions
2022-09-26 01:31
#47
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
he is pretty slow but might make it to tier2
2022-09-25 09:08
#55
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Seychelles kinley377
Forest good but Dosia best 34yo reactions
2022-09-25 09:20
#57
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
gotta put him as the 3rd or 4th position
2022-09-25 09:22
People think that there are not too many pros 30+ because of reaction time xD Truth is that it's because we are (30+) the first generation for esport and players who are 30+ started with csgo pretty late in life and already had other commitments+maybe burned out from years of playing 1.6....that age will push towards 40s as new generation grow up with esport and they have an opportunity to do it full-time since young age as a regular job...that was very rare for older generation and just few lucky ones could do it
2022-09-25 09:44
1 reply
+1, has nothing to do with reaction time. I'm 35 and my reaction & reflexes are good because I follow healthy lifestyle as much as possible. Also my current physical form is better than ever.
2022-09-25 10:23
#59
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China ynafan
ofc, he's still better than most of young talents out there
2022-09-25 09:47
I am 38 and I can tell you surely NO You can’t play the same like under 30, but you can play perfect support or with brain in general BUT still no you can’t make difference in pro level. p.s I play 2-3 hours daily then and now
2022-09-25 09:48
3 replies
i dont think i've ever played with a greek dude before, csgo not popular there?
2022-09-25 10:37
1 reply
Every esports is not popular here
2022-09-25 11:20
2-3 hours is nothing btw. Obviously you won't be able to compare yourself to s1mple or other top players? why? they play 10-13 hrs everyday. and they train efficiently too.
2022-09-25 10:43
i think it's all about hardwork. Look at Lewis Hamilton, 37 yrs old, still has insane reaction times, dude drives like a beast, 7 times world champion, if you put in the work you'll get the results i'd say at least till 45-50 (if healthier even longer) all ends with gamesense, how you train (in sense of game awareness, sharp and accurate turns) btw: check this link too youtu.be/g0GYBHD7KUQ you can create many excuses you know, easy to cry, what best doing is do what ever they want no matter what
2022-09-25 09:51
30-35 yo is literally the peak male physical form, idk what youre on about
2022-09-25 10:57
2 replies
lol
2022-09-25 13:56
delusional
2022-09-26 01:00
#89
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New Zealand kdeadly
im 35 always had fast reflexes and good eye-hand coordination. nothing has changed only thing is i get headache if i play long hours. i could play like 8 matches nonstop before, now i can play 3 then i want to take a break
2022-09-25 11:22
#93
goyd | 
Japan Dojima
ugly ahh grandpa crosshair
2022-09-25 11:31
#98
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Norway Gjellan
Yes I think he could for sure
2022-09-25 12:12
#101
REZ | 
Russia inough
i feel like its not about reaction its more about motivation to play
2022-09-25 12:39
I think it's mostly stress that makes you zone out constantly. My car started acting up on the same week I got laid off and I had literally over 1500 ping in my head when I tried to play. Like I peeked a guy who was perfectly visible and in my crosshair. 1,5 seconds later I start spraying. I'm only 31 and I felt like I'm 131.
2022-09-25 13:00
#110
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Lithuania Jaguaras
If you stay motivated and keep working. If you can play toughest sports you can do it in e-sports, The ones who are like 26yo right now like s1mple, niko will extend it even further than f0rest imo, Tom Brady at 45 still elite at one of the toughest sport on earth so I don't see why people cannot do that here as well. Not saying playing to fourties but playing to 35 would be normal since you finally have great income and can keep grinding full time without any worries, it isn't like it was in the 1.6 when even one of the best teams would not get paid in the end and had to quit. RoeJ guy is like 28 and just getting started, just gotta be hungry for the game unlike people like shox who doesn't have it anymore it seems, he would probably do anything else in the world than practice nowadays and it shows.
2022-09-25 13:22
age is biggest deceive in e spor history, you can play pro everygame everytime
2022-09-25 13:22
yes but will he go full incel mode to play tier1 again probably not
2022-09-25 18:27
no
2022-09-25 20:52
Inagree
2022-09-25 21:17
generally it doesnt seem like there's any reason a 34 y/o can't play at a high level? as long as you have the time and the drive, which is not so common in people that old. if anyone can do it, it wouldbe someone like forest for sure
2022-09-25 21:33
I think the biggest difference between playing sports and esports is that esports really does require that you sit in front of a screen for hours every day, its not healthy whatsoever while a professional football player leaves home to practice and comes home and can do whatever he wants. Its pretty easy to understand the burnout that esport pros suffer when you consider how many hours they have to spend sitting in a room clicking a mouse in a game
2022-09-25 21:38
#146
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Czech Republic Solace_
bro reaction time is not the factor whether any older player is gonna play pro or not, it's all about the dedication which is usually going down when you get older
2022-09-25 21:39
#156
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Sweden AFCx
i love that boomer crosshair
2022-09-26 01:02
I think you could put Forest on a lot of teams and he'd do ok. 1.05 ish rating. In other words he could be like Olof was in Faze. Not gonna blow anyone away but a solid contributor and probably can clutch better then a lot of younger players. It's a wonder a team like Fnatic never tried him out.
2022-09-26 02:33
forest is like ronaldinho, magic dont understand age
2022-09-26 02:56
Lucky shot tbh
2022-09-26 03:55
"Adult human reaction times in response to simple tasks slow with age at a rate of 2-6ms per decade" so yes, basically anyone can play pro forever. for the 999999999999th time, older players get worse due to lack of motivation, NOT age-related loss of skill/potential.
2022-09-26 22:52
1 reply
the longer esports are, the longer pro players will play at older ages. the reason why most of the 30+ ex-pro players retired is simply because they lost motivation and werent good enough, they didnt really have much competition back then and lets be real it was waaaay easier to be a pro player at csgo in 2013-2016 and especially at cs 1.6 than today
2022-09-29 08:37
Honestly not sure why a tier 2 team doesn't pick him up for the experience. He could help out the zoomers on the team with his knowledge and he's clearly still got the aim and reactions.
2022-09-26 23:34
maj3r better
2022-09-26 23:38
#193
felps | 
Finland dvlx
he's no avg 34 yo
2022-09-26 23:42
The 🐐 is in a league of his own
2022-09-27 14:36
He could perfectly
2022-09-27 14:40
of course, he's the GOAT. The only reason he isn't playing on T1 is because he doesn't want to
2022-09-28 02:17
#207
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Poland rakyushi
forest plays so fucking smooth, this guy was born to play this game
2022-09-28 08:01
he's much better than a lot of the guys who are allowed to play at pro level
2022-09-28 08:04
f0rest is not an average 35yo
2022-09-28 08:09
tom brady 45 years old schooling freshmen look at h4rns rating with that boomer crosshair
2022-09-29 07:46
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