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we will ever see someone greater and talented as him ever again not just in cs but in esport in general?
2022-09-29 09:25
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Someday although we already have Zywoo
2022-09-29 09:27
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zywoo is great. but achievement wise is he compatible with s1mple? also longevity..
2022-09-29 09:31
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Zywoo top 1 hltv first 2 years he played in t1, s1mple took like 6 years in t1 to get top1 + major win. Also s1mple played more than twice longer in t1 than zywoo so comparing achievements is the stupidest thing you can do.
2022-09-29 09:45
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#18
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India DG_1998
+1
2022-09-29 09:44
Yeah, S1mple has been in the scene for a long long time
2022-09-29 09:57
25 replies
yes and s1mple also played his early years against unbeatable teams who had an era - SK era in 2016 and 17 as well - reached major when he was 18 so already more than zywoo with his quarterfinals, Astralis - the most dominant team in 2018 and 19, almost unbeatable, Liquid, Astralis - 2019 - these 2 basically won all the tier 1 tournaments that year Its kind of unfair to compare s1mple´s youth to zywoo´s.
2022-09-29 16:55
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#142
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
zywo was never in top1 dominant team himself
2022-09-29 17:22
Zywoo started his Tier 1 career during Liquid/Astralis reign in 2019. ???
2022-09-29 17:24
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yes so he played 1 year in dominant eras and s1mple has played in dominant eras from 2016 to 2019. 2020,21 were the easiest years since 2014/15 to win some tournaments
2022-09-29 17:56
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2021 navi won 7 events why do navi fans always find excuses for why zywoo isnt good its kinda pathetic
2022-09-29 18:27
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I have never said he isnt good all I am saying is that years 2016-19 (s1mple´s peak if we dont count his dominant 2021) were super competitive, a lot of teams looked like they were about to become the best teams in history - SK, Astralis, Liquid, Faze - 2017 2020 - 21 (Zywoo´s prime) were honestly years when a lot of teams weren´t used to the online scene and they struggled and it was open room for a team to have their era until navi came with the b1t lineup in may 2021
2022-09-29 19:04
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this is the most competitive cs has ever been, I don't agree except for 2019
2022-09-29 19:42
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rn yes it is competetive as hell but in 2020 and 2021 - no man, 2020 was an opportunity for vitality to have a small era (unfortunately without a major) but they didnt and the beginning of 2021, gambit and navi were shaky and beatable, there is no excuse for not being #1 if you were vitality in 2020,21 But you must know that it was almost impossible to win a tournament during s1mple´s prime (2018, the beginning and middle of 2019)
2022-09-29 20:01
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Yea for sure, I am a slightly delusional zywoo fan I will admit
2022-09-29 20:07
2020 was very competitive and since it was online it was hard for teams to stay on top for more than 3 events, otherwise zywoo played in 2019 with astralis-liquid and 2021 with peak navi, sk "era" was not that dominant, they won 3 events in 2016 and faze was almost as good as them in 2017, also s1mple was playing majors in 2014 he didn't start in 2016. I'm not sure what your argument is, the scene keep getting more and more competitive and zywoo has played his whole career at the highest level
2022-09-29 22:24
+1
2022-09-29 23:48
you realise zywoo was top 1 in 2019 right?
2022-09-30 12:55
6 replies
1 year against era defining teams, yes.
2022-09-30 13:56
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you defined 2019 as super competetive, but didnt mention it as part of zywoos peak years, only s1mples. you literally said this "2020 - 21 (Zywoo´s prime) were honestly years when a lot of teams weren´t used to the online scene" even tho zywoo was top1 in 2019, a lan year. whats funny is that s1mple and zywoo has equallly many top 1's in LAN years (the rest of s1's top 1 placements were online era) but you dont mention any of this because youre incredibly biased
2022-09-30 14:27
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2021 online era? major, cologne, blast fall final, okay dont reply just pls dont ...
2022-09-30 14:53
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you just exposed yourself for being new. 75% of the maps navi played in 2021 was online LOL. according to you, 83% of maps played online in 2020 = online era, but 75% in 2021 = not online era. your iq is lower then your age xd. you even YOURSELF mentioned 2021 as online, i quoted you LMAO and you ignored everything else i pointed out when you got caught being dishonest. better luck next time my guy ;)
2022-09-30 15:48
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BRUUUUUH, Ive been watching CS consistently since the end of 2015 - all majors, katowices, colognes, epls, ... I am not saying most of 2021 wasnt online but the second half was mostly LAN just without crowds but still LAN I even remember Kennys fragging like god in 2015 lol, that was a long time ago :D
2022-09-30 16:58
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I do not support any side but please when you have a discussion with someone you should fully read what he writes and answer back with your own arguments. I can't believe how many people actually get triggered by one argument and forget everything the other one said...
2022-10-07 16:45
Sk never had an era LMAO
2022-09-30 09:25
6 replies
bruh
2022-09-30 13:56
5 replies
Seriously, tell me when
2022-09-30 18:34
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Luminosity/SK I meant - from Columbus major if that was the first one in 2016 I cant remember cause its such a long time ago, they won like 5 tournaments between that and the second major in cologne which they also won as SK Gaming and if i remember they even won like 2 tourneys after the cologne major
2022-09-30 18:38
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In fact between the two majors they only won 3 tournaments, but 2 of those were only NA teams in attendance, so I wouldnt relally count those. Now Do you think that 3 tournement wins make an era? Even if 2 of those are majors?
2022-10-04 14:49
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yes if it is followed up by 6 tier1 tournaments the following year
2022-10-04 19:37
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The second major, was in july or smth right? So how do you count the following year into an era when they havent won anything for the rest of 2016. Like I'm sorry but 6 month gap with no S tier wins doesnt make an era
2022-10-04 23:28
#39
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Italy alastt27
s1mple years on pro scene: 9 ZywOo years on pro scene: 6 go do some maths man, also if you compare their achievements since 2019, s1mple Is still ahead, and if you compare their rating since 2019, s1mple Is also ahead
2022-09-29 10:10
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#41
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France Alyex
Taking Zywoo stats before 2019 is irrelevete since he play in T4 cs, he is a "pro" player since the end of 2018 at best
2022-09-29 10:26
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#49
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Italy alastt27
S1mple plays t1 since joining Liquid in 2016. 7 years, while ZywOo 4,5, wow what a difference. But this doesn't change the fact that I counted their achievements and stats since 2019, exactly when both stably play t1, this means no time advantages for anyone.
2022-09-29 12:25
39 replies
No lmao He plays since 2014
2022-09-29 12:27
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#55
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Italy alastt27
in t1 not, he has 0 matches va top 20 opponents in 2014 and 2015
2022-09-29 12:30
27 replies
0/8 i remember him playing in dreamhack major or against prime kennys titan in 2014
2022-09-29 12:31
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#62
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Italy alastt27
May be once or twice, go check his stats, you will see
2022-09-29 12:33
18 replies
There is no ranking in hltv 2014 lmao U cant check
2022-09-29 12:34
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#67
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Italy alastt27
he was literally playing in HellRaisers
2022-09-29 12:35
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#143
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
and flipside before that yes, both top15 teams
2022-09-29 17:23
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#144
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Italy alastt27
tier 1 is top 5
2022-09-29 17:24
5 replies
So if Vitality played against Cloud 9 right now it wouldnt be tier one CS but if Astralis played vs MOUZ it would be??
2022-09-29 18:02
No its top 10-15
2022-09-29 18:28
smartest navi fan
2022-09-29 19:01
1 reply
i would say he's average navi fan
2022-09-30 13:35
Tier 1 is only Top 5? That's a little excessive...
2022-09-30 19:22
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#70
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Italy alastt27
Zywoo played in 2017 vs fnatic too, po', let's count that as stabile t1, good idea
2022-09-29 12:40
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He didnt
2022-09-29 13:00
You are right but hard to say in 2014 he played in HR for some time then after he I think he played few LANs not sure but definitely he played PRO since 2016 like full time but yeah some experience there was
2022-09-29 12:58
4 replies
Dosia Ange1 Kucher Markeloff These are tier 1 player for 2014 Imagine calling them tier 2
2022-09-29 13:01
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#83
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Czech Republic Evis1337
simple fans just hard coping... HR is a tier1 org and they call it tier4 lol.. markeloff was s1mple of CS 1.6 and s0mple fans call him bad.
2022-09-29 13:11
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Never said that but nt And just in case of marik just because he was beast in 1.6 doesnt make him beast in GO. He was never that good in csgo and even talking s1mple played with markeloff in flipside at the end of 2014 or beginning of 2015? It is almost 3 years from 1.6 days and markeloff was just bad during time s1mple played with him so…
2022-09-29 14:25
Never said it wasnt tier 1 where did I say that? I said he played for them as tier 1 scene but later not sure now I think it was for half a year maybe? Then he played some time in flipside now I am not sure even all these teams combined gives us 1 full year Then nobody wanted him cuz of esl Ban and 2/3 majors back then were esl sponsored. From 2016 it was full pro I never said he wasnt pro in 2016 and I am for sure saying he had experience from pro but you cant say he was in tier 1 scene from 2014 for whole that time because he had like 1 year I think gap when he didnt play so its not like he was gaining experience as ZywOo from day where he started to play with major winners until today
2022-09-29 14:22
holy sh1t BO7
2022-09-29 16:02
dat wolf was not tier 1, flipside was not tier 1 hellraisers were not tier 1 Call any of those teams tier 1 and you include zywoos tier 4 play where he should've farmed stats
2022-09-29 19:06
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Team with dosia and ange1 isnt tier 1 in 2014 Lmao
2022-09-29 19:24
4 replies
A team that won 46% of their matches in 2014 is not a tier 1 team. don't try and stretch for your delusions Sauce : hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mp..
2022-09-29 19:31
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s1mple was playing majors and tier 1 events in 2014, zywoo's first international lan was at the end of 2018 and hltv didn't even award an mvp, his first real tier 1 lan was katowice 2019, you are absolutely delusional
2022-09-29 22:31
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Making a major doesnt make you tier 1. Also not cis where there was no competition until 2018 in the region. Or a peak ranking of 16. But good try. The french will remain irrelevant as cis takes em out
2022-09-30 08:47
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The initial argument was that s1mple played multiple tier 1 events in 2014, he didn't start his tier1 career in 2016, he was always one of the best player and the reason he didn't have a better team then was because of his attitude. They were several tier 1 cis teams before 2018 I don't know what you are talking about. Yeah cis is dominating right now and much better than french scene I don't know why you bring that up but that's funny coming from a german whose scene has never won anything of note
2022-09-30 18:38
#247
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Australia bryte
As hltv rankings didn’t exist then :|
2022-09-30 01:10
biggest S1mple fan boi, I recognise u.. Go cry somewhere else
2022-09-29 13:48
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#99
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Italy alastt27
not crying, and not fanboy, just raw stats, everyone can check them :)
2022-09-29 14:01
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man, I see you everyday on this forum crying for s1mple stats. If you want to marry him, just tell us
2022-10-03 11:31
#115
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Argentina Joedash
Count only 2019 and zywoo has more achievements than NaVi. Count 2020-2021 and NaVi has more achievements since the online era started and teams like vitality starting making hella lot of changes, therefore the lack of success for zywoo, now compare success in 2022 and zywoo and s1mple will have same achievements, the only difference is NaVi going back to the "s1mple go kill" strats, while zywoo had like 30 roster changes and the team is more well -rounded which affects the kd.
2022-09-29 16:08
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#116
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Italy alastt27
you talk like navi had 0 changes past these years
2022-09-29 16:11
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#141
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Argentina Joedash
Only change NaVi made was flamie for b1t and the addition of perfecto afaik. While Vitality went through changing shox, nivera, misutaa, kyojin, xqtzzz, then dupreeh, magisk and Sonic as last additions. NaVi doesn't need a brain neither since b1ad3 is the IGL of the team while the rest read the paper mid-game to know what to do, so yes, I take in consideration the changes an they didn't change important players, they just took out the bots of their team unlike Vitality whose players were all important whereas Navi with s1mple and electronic are fine. Edit: and I forgot to add Nbk
2022-09-29 17:23
2 replies
And rpk
2022-09-29 18:30
1 reply
#218
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Argentina Joedash
True
2022-09-29 20:15
Definitely played t1 opponents when he was I'm both flipside and hellraisers All liquid did for simple was address his toxicity and helped him realise he could rely on team mates ingame. Was a key changing point in his pro career, he was definitely a dominant awper before than too though
2022-09-29 17:28
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#150
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Italy alastt27
yes, but that doesn't mean he played t1 consistently
2022-09-29 17:31
#44
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India DG_1998
Comparing 4 to 5 yrs of s1mple to zywoo first yr? lmao this just proves how much zywoo is better than s1mple overall.
2022-09-29 10:35
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#45
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Italy alastt27
are you ok? Do you even read and understand the meaning of text? It's not the first time I see you this stupid, since 2019 I mean the point when both play t1, I don't include any earlier year....idiot.
2022-09-29 12:21
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#46
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Nera1106
After zywoo plays same years as simple played all will just talk about goat zywoo...
2022-09-29 12:23
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#52
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Italy alastt27
that guy Is straightly stupid, it doesn't matter how much time both play cs go, if I only include the time from the same point(2019), this means I don't include 2018,2017,2016 and so on, it's all fair.
2022-09-29 12:27
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#75
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India DG_1998
Lol i am not ur comparison is straight stupid.
2022-09-29 12:49
#84
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Czech Republic Evis1337
no? zywoo played 3 years with shit players and simple has the best team thats on the scene since 2018
2022-09-29 13:12
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#156
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Italy alastt27
excuses, we have raw stats :)
2022-09-29 17:48
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#158
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Czech Republic Evis1337
yeah. zywoo top 1 2019 zywoo top1 2020 first 2 years top1. is he the only player that's ever done that in his first 2 rookie years?
2022-09-29 17:53
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#160
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Italy alastt27
he has lower rating in 4 since 2019 than s1mple go check s1mple 1.30 zywoo 1.26 team achievemtns the same, s1mple is way ahead, mvp too. Everything since 2019, not including s1mple's stellar 2018
2022-09-29 17:54
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#165
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Czech Republic Evis1337
and
2022-09-29 18:08
the numbers on a website are slightly lower because s1mple awps every rounds and baits and is last alive every round of every match never entrying: therefore s1 GOAT zywho nobody s1mple god in human form
2022-09-29 18:32
your stupid stat has already been debunked stop trying to lie about it
2022-09-29 22:40
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#260
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Italy alastt27
huh? Literally go check them by yourself, vs top 20
2022-09-30 11:41
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hltv never chose top 20 rating as their standard for the top 20 list why are you cherrypicking it ? directly from their top 20 list you can see he has 1.30 in 2019, 1.29 in 2020 and 1.29 in 2021, we don't know how high he will end up in 2022 but even if you cherrypick again and take top 20 right now he has a rating of 1.28 after rounding up over the last 4 year
2022-09-30 18:46
2 replies
1.3 1.29 1.29 Rounding up to 1.28?
2022-10-06 21:05
1 reply
Over the last 4 years, 2022 included. Now it’s 1.28 without rounding up
2022-10-06 21:26
#155
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Nera1106
classic italiano moment
2022-09-29 17:43
#59
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India DG_1998
R u delusional? I understand ur context however it's just plain dumb comparison that u r making between 2019 s1mple vs 2019 zywoo the better comparison would have been 2016 s1mple vs 2019 zywoo that would have been more understandable. And objectively speaking s1mple 3 yrs between 2016 to 2018 weren't even remotely close to what zywoo where from 2019 to 2021 not counting team based achivements because it doesn't tells who is a better player overall.
2022-09-29 12:34
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#66
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Italy alastt27
age and experience doesn't matter if we talk about who's objectively better.
2022-09-29 12:34
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#77
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India DG_1998
Let's not argue because we can agree to disagree who is a better player overall.
2022-09-29 13:08
"Age and experience doesnt matter if we talk about who's objectively better" Sure if we are comparing current form of each player. But if we are looking at the GOAT argument, then we have to include their age and experience as part of the equation. Players who are older have the advantage of experience while youngsters have the advantage of time. Zywoo has more time then s1mple to win trophies at the top while s1mple has more experience due to playing in multiple rosters and more hours played This is not to say S1mple is a grandpa or anything, he is still not that old. Its just zywoo is younger then him and logically has more time to compete
2022-09-29 17:07
zywho will always be below s1mple if he doesnt get/has a major win :))
2022-09-29 12:33
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#74
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India DG_1998
Team based achivements =/= individual skills. Because otherwise pronax>S1mple.
2022-09-29 12:46
3 replies
s1mple and zywoo have been in top5 for the last 5 years. pronax wasnt even that relevant for the top5 players and the scene was that big as it is now. both are probably top2 players but i rate s1mple higher atm because he has a major.
2022-09-30 11:38
Talking about individual S1mple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zywoo Navi >>>> vitality
2022-10-04 19:41
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#396
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India DG_1998
Zywoo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>s1mple Navi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vita This is correct.
2022-10-08 15:10
#85
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Czech Republic Evis1337
kjaerbye = s1mple
2022-09-29 13:13
9 replies
Zywoo fanboys something else, man. Exceptional just like zywoo but not talent-wise, delusionally. Kjaerbye is not as skilled as S1mple or zywoo. Only major means nothing, you need to have the highest skill as well
2022-09-29 15:50
8 replies
and s1mple fans like you are always oblivious kek
2022-09-29 18:33
7 replies
Using Twitch emote in normal convo = automatically ignored
2022-09-29 18:43
6 replies
holy fuck how old are you that you think "kek" is from twitch? jesus christ
2022-09-29 18:48
5 replies
Idk but we don't use that word, must be an NA thing
2022-09-29 19:39
4 replies
its from Warcraft like 20 years ago; orc players typing 'lol' would be replaced by 'kek' in chat. It's been coopted by twitch kids nowadays
2022-09-29 19:41
3 replies
Yeah that's used in twitch now as an emote with an extra 'W'
2022-09-29 19:43
2 replies
oh ok makes sense, anyway my point was don't be rude by assuming im a twitch emote irl person im offended by that haha. Have a nice day hopefully your fav of faze/c9 win today
2022-09-29 19:47
1 reply
Yeah, hopefully faze will win. I like twistzz, cool guy
2022-09-29 19:55
o no friend, zywoo was top 1 the 2 times playing online, unlike s1mple 2 times best in the world on lan
2022-09-29 13:02
2 replies
Seems I missed the part of history where 2019 was online and 2021 wasn't.
2022-09-29 17:40
1 reply
when simple plays online hes the goat, when zywoo is the best in the world on LAN it was actually online LOL
2022-09-29 18:34
#119
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Georgia g3ks1
s1mple couldnt become great faster. 1st - he had esl ban till 2016, +he started to play awp-role only in second-half 2017 (i mean global, ofc he was 2nd awper already and sometimes was taking main awp role)
2022-09-29 16:16
yes and s1mple also played his early years against unbeatable teams who had an era - SK era in 2016 and 17 as well - reached major when he was 18 so already more than zywoo with his quarterfinals, Astralis - the most dominant team in 2018 and 19, almost unbeatable, Liquid, Astralis - 2019 - these 2 basically won all the tier 1 tournaments that year Its kind of unfair to compare s1mple´s youth to zywoo´s.
2022-09-29 16:55
100% Its hillarious when s1mple fans try to cope with Device's major wins by saying top 1 awards are more important Then zywoo comes and the whole narrative changes. Trophy win matters more now hahahaha
2022-09-29 17:01
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s1mple vs device debate: Individual skill >> achievements S1mple vs zywoo debate: NOOOOOO ZYWHO HASNT WON A MAJOR SO S1MPLE IS BETTER
2022-09-29 18:36
#316
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Ukraine Neffty
zywoo no major, simple 1 major
2022-09-30 14:01
#19
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Asia byzantine
You talked about talented though? And zywoo is pretty talented. If you're talking about achievements, would you consider dev1ce to be bigger?
2022-09-29 09:45
3 replies
simple more mvp then devve, only 1 major yes, but that is team achievement not individual
2022-09-29 12:24
1 reply
Even though it is team achievement if we talk about achievements we cant neglect them
2022-09-29 12:31
lol don't try to reason with s1mple fanboys, they'll fail hard.
2022-09-29 14:05
dude, achievements don't matter at all, we have s1mple, zywoo, niko, dev1ce, yes they have won many things in their career, but recently only s1mple has won alot. It just doesn't matter, because when we talk about talent we mean skill & stats
2022-09-29 18:45
#317
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Uganda MuriN_
Man, u talked about talent, not achievements xd
2022-09-30 14:05
#368
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Denmark Aurija
look at dev1ce, delusional s1mple fan
2022-10-07 15:00
#122
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United States Rayduh
Faker
2022-09-29 16:51
monesy better
2022-09-29 23:04
ofc there is always some1 best n the guy who will catch the wave to be popular and be confident in the game
2022-09-29 09:29
ZywOo is better (im s1mple fan) ZywOo doesn't have insane flicks and stuff like that but he has more impact in the game. m0NESY is the only one that can be s1mple when it comes to amazing plays and flicks.. but he is 17, still a lot to grind and improve. Where was s1mple at 17? )
2022-09-29 09:33
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#5
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Poland v1ctorex
oh ye for sure u are
2022-09-29 09:34
8 replies
lmao for me s1mple is the best of all time (goat) but right now, ZywOo is better. It is what it is hard to understand for p0lak?
2022-09-29 09:36
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#12
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Azerbaijan S1mple2002
You are saying that ZyWoo is better right now, but the author of thread did not ask who is better right now, he asked who would surpass s1mple in terms of talent. Read before writing)
2022-09-29 09:39
5 replies
Zywho already surpassed s1mple in talent. His early career has been better than s1mples early career.
2022-09-29 10:17
#86
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Czech Republic Evis1337
zywoo already surpassed him, are you dumb? only mega cope s0mple fan will tell you that zywoo isnt more talented than simple
2022-09-29 13:14
3 replies
zywoo is bot compared to s1mple.
2022-09-29 14:36
2 replies
ok
2022-09-29 16:54
Damn imagine losing back to back for the #1 spot against a bot. Must be humiliating for s1mple then xD
2022-09-29 17:09
He s right
2022-09-29 12:31
#8
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India DG_1998
zywoo flicks alot honestly u don't watch vita games properly.
2022-09-29 09:37
10 replies
not like s1mple and m0nesy please, stop bs
2022-09-29 09:38
#21
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
youtube.com/watch?v=UdnpJZzYMBw never seen zywoo do this. Zywoo is easily 2nd best in the world arguably 1st im not denying his skill but dont act like he hits the same flicks s1mple does. Zywoo is great because of his positioning, movement, rifling, never ever ever misses easy shots, always seems to be in the right spots, insane game sense, great utility usage, team player, etc. But he doesnt hit the same flicks as s1mple
2022-09-29 09:48
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#23
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India DG_1998
2022-09-29 09:51
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#24
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
zaaaaaaamn nice shot, still not as good as the clip I posted imo but yeah no one is denying he isnt a fucking god. idk maybe im delusional but for the record I dont have a horse in this race.
2022-09-29 09:53
5 replies
Not same sens? Lol youtu.be/zBQvdC5A8sg Also this is best flick i have ever seen but that doesnt make imorr better awper
2022-09-29 12:29
1 reply
#90
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Czech Republic Evis1337
1.6 vibes
2022-09-29 13:17
#88
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Czech Republic Evis1337
pls how can you compare 800 edpi to 1200 edpi? its not even physically possible for zywoo to do a quicker flick than simple. but he will be more consistent with them
2022-09-29 13:16
1 reply
nobody ever can be same consistent as s1mple in terms of flickshots. S1mple legacy by own created top tier russian awpers like degster and m0nesy (they playing at s1mple settings)
2022-09-29 23:09
2022-09-29 18:10
Zywoo doesn't flick often because he doesn't really need to. That's because he always has good read and his crosshair is where it needs to be more often than not. I'd rather pick the above mentioned quality over good flicks any day. Besides, not like zywoo doesn't have crazy flicks either.
2022-09-29 19:41
he was 17 in 2015. and he was very good wdym..
2022-09-29 09:39
0/8 reddit tier reply
2022-09-29 09:47
#22
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
where was s1mple at 17 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2015-01.. rated 5th in the world. and where was he at 18? hltv.org/news/19642/top-20-players-of-20..
2022-09-29 09:51
3 replies
First link is wrong because hltv rankings are introduced in september or october So it is only after october
2022-09-29 12:33
#91
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Czech Republic Evis1337
with 30 maps lol
2022-09-29 13:17
1 reply
#110
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Yeah im not gonna act like he was actually the 5th best player in 2015 but acting like he was doing nothing at 17 is insane. The guy was insane ever since flipside even though I was the biggest s1mple hater back then because he was so toxic
2022-09-29 15:30
only reason p1mple wasnt top1 at 17 was the ESL ban tho. already very known player, destroying top5 teams with players like blad3 in his team but no slot in navi coz couldnt play in half the t1 circuit... but yes zywoo better.
2022-09-29 09:54
#42
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Ukraine d3adLY
zywoo isnt even close to s1mple
2022-09-29 10:27
0/8 terrible bait
2022-09-30 13:01
S1mple is better than everyone ( im zywoo fans) I need to accept s1mple individual level above every cs pros but people salty and jealous to s1mple being the best
2022-10-04 19:43
Is it me or is zywoo a bit of a boring player? Like you see it at the end of the game "oh wow, zywoo has 32 kills" but u can never remember them. Can you remember a single zywoo kill? But try simple.. You can see the flick I remember a simple flick.
2022-10-04 19:48
In terms of talent, I think zywoo beats him. S1mple is one of a kind yes but it took him a few years of hard work before getting top 1 while zywoo in his first year of t1 Cs reached top 1 and got it the next year and will continue to get 1/2 till s1mple retires, which is far more special than s1mple individual top 20 rankings
2022-09-29 09:36
12 replies
#37
RpK | 
France HippzZ
+1
2022-09-29 10:07
S1mple was hard carrying HR/F3 since 2015 and this was with rifle. if he had a decent team and awped from the start he would have got it sooner but he had to show he was better than the old legends markeloff/worldedit/guardian and that took time. Zywoo had no competition in French CS, Kenny was already washed af in 2018.
2022-09-29 12:53
5 replies
#92
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Czech Republic Evis1337
zywoo is rifling to this day lol
2022-09-29 13:18
3 replies
Zywoo is still considered an 'awper' even if he uses rifle on T side more than most awpers sure. S1mple was not a primary awper for a long time and even had to give up the awp to guardian as late as 2020
2022-09-29 13:42
2 replies
#97
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Czech Republic Evis1337
guardian hadnt played a single match with navi in 2020... go bait somewhere else
2022-09-29 13:53
Zywoo doesnt awp on vertigo and puts up awper numbers anyway, zywoo entries with AK, Apex has said he had to have a chat with zywoo 1 on 1 to tell him to play more selfishly. Imagine the only issue with your star player as an igl is that he's too selfless. Meanwhile s1mple rages at his teammate in a charity match while bottom fragging even while baiting
2022-09-29 18:39
That's fair, but I still don't see the relevance in the zywoo point. No matter the situation zywoo still owned in his debut in t1 Cs far better than s1mple did, you can make an argument for him but they're simply unmatched in t1 debut which is most important
2022-09-29 14:38
+1
2022-09-29 17:10
Zywoo is like Mozart
2022-09-29 19:41
Did you watch how many time navi vs vitality and s1mple always rekt zywoo do i need copy link YouTube where the s1mple vs 3 vitality player including zywoo to clutch in blast
2022-10-04 19:45
1 reply
Did you watch how many time faze vs navi and broky always rekt s1mple lol just cause h2h you beat someone doesn't automatically make you a better player
2022-10-04 19:48
facts
2022-10-07 16:10
#10
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India DG_1998
Zywoo better than s1mple,s1mple doesn't comes close to zywoo.
2022-09-29 09:38
28 replies
#242
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North America S_1ayER
21 mvps and highest rating in calendar year begs to differ. Mfers forget how shit zywoo was first half and only decent this "month". Also indians get no opinion since it's a nationalist country lol.
2022-09-29 23:40
27 replies
#244
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India DG_1998
Mfer Biden son spotted opinion rejected XD.
2022-09-29 23:50
11 replies
#263
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North America S_1ayER
U have Modi. Literally the biggest nationalist and idiotic politician ever. Mfer literally runs gestapo v2 (aka RSS) so pls stfu.
2022-09-30 12:53
10 replies
#265
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India DG_1998
Lmao way better than ur Biden still btw cry is free.
2022-09-30 12:55
9 replies
#267
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North America S_1ayER
I am sure even Trump is a better leader than Modi. So pls stfu. Imagine having over a billion population. Literally shows how uneducated Indians are about basic family management. Talk to me when women have rights and doesn't get raped while going to work.
2022-09-30 12:57
8 replies
#272
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India DG_1998
America has highest rape percentage than India but ur gay media won't show that. And talking about Trump he is such joker i don't need to talk about him entire world knows this lmao cry more 🤣.
2022-09-30 13:11
1 reply
#273
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India DG_1998
Ur gay mfer army is useless that they need to surrender against Taliban depsite spending so much dollars lmao just stfu american and get lost.
2022-09-30 13:13
5 replies
#276
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North America S_1ayER
Mate at least our army doesn't lose to hill tribes in Kashmir lmao. Ur the most delusional cunt ever lol.
2022-09-30 13:15
4 replies
#292
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India DG_1998
We have never lost kasmir u idiot fuck.
2022-09-30 13:27
3 replies
#294
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North America S_1ayER
Are you sure? indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current.. Your own media is showing kashmir being occupied at parts by china and pakistan LMFAOOOO.
2022-09-30 13:29
2 replies
#304
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India DG_1998
Fake news.
2022-09-30 13:34
#312
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India DG_1998
U r seriously a uneducated fuck idiot.
2022-09-30 13:41
#245
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India DG_1998
Dude zywoo had to go international+play style change which impact his performance but ur peanut brain won't understand this because u r from NA after all.
2022-09-29 23:51
13 replies
#262
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North America S_1ayER
Mfer talking like s1mple did not play in an international team where he comm'd in english. He literally carried Liquid to a major grand final and made Liquid an actual contender. Also he DIDN'T fucking change his playstyle LMFAO. The team is centered around him as much as Na'Vi is centered around s1mple. Keep Coping and American Avg iq is 105 while Indias is 87 something. So please stfu and keep ur dumb uneducated ass in that communist country.
2022-09-30 12:51
12 replies
#270
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India DG_1998
Yes mfer i know how much u american have high iq when most of ur people don't even know what is the capital of ur own country is lmao. Typical dumbass Americans look at some tech based companies as an example like Microsoft ur own country men ceo Steve balmer had zero iq and was making that company a disaster but thanks to r country men who saved ur company and btw most of the top companies as well is been run by Indians only not by Americans so cry is free kiddo 🤣😂.
2022-09-30 13:07
10 replies
#274
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North America S_1ayER
Mate please learn English. Also I am not American. Brave of you to assume that. Still overall America >>> India. Please stop scrolling through Insta Reels where they make stupid content and get your facts from actual statistics and websites not FUCKING REELS. Wtf does a company have to do with the avg iq? Are you that fucking stupid? Please tell me why u fucking indians come and horde America for job opportunities if India is so great lmfao. Stay in India and work as callcenter scammer cause that's your worth mate lol.
2022-09-30 13:13
9 replies
#277
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India DG_1998
Mfer wait for few yrs usa people will beg to work in India instead of America we r developing country not developed country like usa,assholes so stfu and stop typing this comments from ur mom basements lmao 🤣😂.
2022-09-30 13:16
4 replies
#281
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North America S_1ayER
Mate China was a developing country with the same population around 20 years ago. And now is a superpower as well as a really nice country. India will never become a developed country cause of stupid idiots like you or else by now it would have at least not have people shitting on street and pissing everywhere lol.
2022-09-30 13:18
3 replies
#286
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India DG_1998
I don't shit on streets idiot and china got independence way before than us so no comparison.
2022-09-30 13:20
2 replies
#288
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North America S_1ayER
Independence is not even correlative to a development of a country idiot. Also if you understand basic english I didn't tell you shit on the street, it's basic knowledge that Indians have shit hygiene and many articles indicating public defecation lol. Uneducated fuck.
2022-09-30 13:22
1 reply
#290
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India DG_1998
Mfer yes it's a correlation we would have been developed way before compare to now if we got early independence idiot. Also i know how hygiene is usa when u have the most percentage of obese people in ur country who sucks burger all day uneducated fuck.
2022-09-30 13:25
#279
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India DG_1998
We have better average iq than Americans for sure.
2022-09-30 13:16
2 replies
1 reply
#308
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India DG_1998
2022-09-30 13:35
#282
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India DG_1998
Than why r u flake flagging kiddo if u r not american?
2022-09-30 13:18
#271
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India DG_1998
He didn't carried liquid dumbass elige helped him to hard carry liquid as well but yes u s0mple gay fan girl bitches won't accept this so stfu and get lost.
2022-09-30 13:09
Bro its scary so many zywoo fans and haters here jealous and cant accept just read their name
2022-10-04 19:46
In CS no. In Esports in general maybe.
2022-09-29 09:40
#16
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Finland AliSabid
Idk s1mple is just too good
2022-09-29 09:41
#26
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Yes ofc mang0 for example faker for another
2022-09-29 09:56
9 replies
Wait, are you talking about ssbm mang0?
2022-09-29 09:58
5 replies
#29
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Of course
2022-09-29 09:59
4 replies
Omg, didn't know there was melee fans in here. Do you play yourself?
2022-09-29 09:59
3 replies
#32
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
No unfourtnately I dont. I tried to get into it awhile ago and was so bad I couldnt beat the AI let alone my friends. But ive watched for awhile I love the sport
2022-09-29 10:01
2 replies
Yeah okay. Started playing 2 months ago. If it weren't because of Uncle Punch and the fact that I have a friend who want to coach me, I'm sure I would have given up too. Grinding mechanics is the way to go when starting, which obviously can be pretty boring, when you just wanna play the game.
2022-09-29 10:04
1 reply
#36
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
Yeah for sure, I just dont have the motivation to play it. Its cool that you have a friend to help you though, I wish you the best of luck on whatever youre looking to accomplish in the game whether its just being good enough to beat your friends, being good enough to go pro or simply just learning for the sake of having fun.
2022-09-29 10:06
You can also make a case for Flash
2022-09-29 10:00
2 replies
#33
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
The starcraft player right? thats one of the few sports/esports I dont follow much. But ive heard the name more than once so I will trust you on that EDIT: He has played in 9 out of 10 ASL seasons (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 & 10) of which Lee won four times, gained a runner-up once, and placed third twice. and this is a crazy stat I found that backs what you are saying
2022-09-29 10:03
1 reply
Flash is an absolute monster at Starcraft. I don't want to say he was the reason they introduced maps in the later seasons of ASL to nerf Terran but it seemed that way, lol.
2022-10-04 20:15
Talentwise ZywOo equals him, whereas device is more decorated
2022-09-29 10:02
People who follow Dota/Cs/Starcraft from the beginning knows there have been way better and more talented players than Simple, I might agree that Simple is the best in Csgo but not in whole esports
2022-09-29 10:09
5 replies
name one oldschool dota pro who was more dominant than p1mple
2022-09-29 12:29
4 replies
#94
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Czech Republic Evis1337
in terms of consistency puppey kuroky in terms of skill miracle arteezy sumail
2022-09-29 13:21
3 replies
arteezy🤣🤣🤣
2022-09-29 18:01
+ Loda 2007 to 2013 Dendi 2010-2013
2022-09-29 20:14
1 reply
#217
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Czech Republic Evis1337
ppl jsut delusional thinking s1mple is something unique when he is not. zywoo is on the same level. same in other games. miracle has and had rivals
2022-09-29 20:15
I think Faker fom LoL is up there with s1mple no?
2022-09-29 10:30
4 replies
Far above s1mple
2022-09-29 17:32
Faker is waaay above.
2022-09-29 19:46
Bro just need to spam mouse and random letters to play a game, to master cs you need more skill
2022-09-30 10:22
1 reply
-2/8
2022-10-07 16:12
zywoo better
2022-09-29 12:25
Statistically speaking we will
2022-09-29 12:26
#61
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Yugoslavia mrmojo
Faker can be compared to him, but in CS he is GOAT no question.
2022-09-29 12:33
14 replies
No, he cant, Faker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>s1mple. S1mple isnt even the goat of cs.
2022-09-29 17:33
13 replies
he is GOAT of cs no doubt.
2022-09-29 18:26
12 replies
Nope. Only 1 major, lost 3 out of 4 majorfinals while being worst player on the server. Impossible calling him the goat.
2022-09-29 18:30
10 replies
GOAT ez
2022-09-29 19:13
5 replies
Nope
2022-09-29 19:18
4 replies
#194
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Ukraine lua_
Yes. Deal with it.
2022-09-29 19:29
all the pundits and commentators are saying it for a long time, but no random german noob on hltv knows best...
2022-09-29 20:14
2 replies
Because the currently best player in every sports is called the goat nowadays to sell the hype, not that hard to understand.
2022-09-30 04:00
1 reply
No because he is the GOAT. Not that hard to understand. I watch cs for 15+ years I never seen anything like him.
2022-09-30 13:54
Absurd logic
2022-09-29 23:03
1 reply
Why its absurd? Mental strength is a very important part of the game and the goat of cs should have this.
2022-09-30 03:56
Do you not get tired of being this much jealous of s1mple or you are just his secret fanboy?
2022-09-30 01:27
1 reply
Do you not get tired of talking bs? #251
2022-09-30 04:00
Maybe csgo but cs in general NO.
2022-09-29 18:39
no
2022-09-29 12:34
I met God and he said S1mple is the GOAT So ino.
2022-09-29 12:36
I know this feels like this now but i felt this for spawN and markeloff too. Then i felt like this for GTR and cold too but it's the cycle man.... someone's gonna show up as jacked as him. Just enjoy him and get exited for the next star. On the topic of goatness if anyone denies this they are retarded 😊
2022-09-29 12:42
4 replies
You cant really call someone the greatest of all time until the time actually stops (the game dies and the pro scene stops existing)
2022-09-29 12:44
3 replies
You are right but i wasn't using the word in literal mean. Goat here is for being legendary. Like f0rest is goat (legend). Sorry for any misconceptions but the word at least on hltv is used mostly in this sense only.
2022-09-29 16:02
1 reply
I understand
2022-09-29 16:11
GOATSF
2022-09-29 18:42
Its just a question if the game survives, give something Infinite time and everything will happen
2022-09-29 12:43
6 replies
Heyyyy I missed you buddy, you're rarely active on Steam nowadays
2022-09-29 16:53
5 replies
Almost never ye even tho i dont know who this is
2022-09-29 16:54
4 replies
Skywalker/Serdar, i doubt you remember me, but I still miss u and our conversations xd
2022-09-29 20:17
3 replies
#335
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Singapore 7un
bro 1st time i see a sgporean on this site, sup bro
2022-09-30 19:15
2 replies
im a fakeflagger hahaha, but sup buddy, would love to live in Singapore in the future
2022-09-30 21:18
1 reply
#339
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Singapore 7un
HAHAHHAHA nice one
2022-09-30 22:19
easily he isnt even that good
2022-09-29 12:59
#87
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Sweden multib
s1mple GOAT atm no doubt
2022-09-29 13:15
10 replies
I doubt for several reasons.
2022-09-29 18:30
9 replies
#197
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Ukraine lua_
He is the goat, every pro player, caster, analyst in the scene consider him the goat. Whether you agree with it or not, is irrelevant. Your opinion is irrelevant, because a fact is a fact.
2022-09-29 19:31
8 replies
Yes, its a fact that he isnt the goat.
2022-09-29 19:33
7 replies
#257
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Sweden multib
Name one other player that can contend with the goat title. As prior comment said, every serious and aware cs follower calls him that. You know I am not even a big fan of him. I dislike his personality and I always root for NaVi to lose. But you can't deny what is objectively true just cause you feel different about it.
2022-09-30 10:12
6 replies
Dev1ce and Coldzera, both have 2 major mvps, Dev1ce has 4 majors, cold 2 and he has 2 HLTV top 1, same as s1mple. S1mple maybe is the most skilled player when it comes to numbers, but thats all.
2022-09-30 13:06
5 replies
#319
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Sweden multib
Good choices tbh (!) but still s1mple is the better PLAYER. Even though trophies matter when to consider goats it's definitely not everything. Since both s1mple and dev1ce are awpers it's easy to compare the two. Just comparing skill and impact s1mple is the stronger player.
2022-09-30 14:33
4 replies
No doubt, but s1mple played worse in 3 out of 4 majorfinals and mental strength is very important. As I said before, skillwise its s1mple, maybe ZywoO in some time, but for me titles are more important than a rating which doesnt display everything and where its only about fragging.
2022-09-30 15:19
3 replies
But in the end yo ucant put too much weight into titles when figuring out the best PLAYER. While its true that device is up for the task, He hasnt been top 1 once, he hasnt been the greatest player once, incredibly hard to put someone who hasnt been the best as the best of all time lol. Coldzera was relevant for 2 years, s1mple is miles above him, being top 1 2 times, top 2 2 times and most likely(!) top 1 again, there's noone who can touch him for the moment being when it comes to personal achievements, only device with his majors. Chances are zywoo can definitely overtake him in the upcomming years.
2022-10-07 16:01
2 replies
But putting weight on a rating which doesnt display everything and where fragging and k/d is the main part for having high rating? I would pick the titles any day of the week
2022-10-07 23:37
1 reply
But titles is 99% team effort, how are you going ot decide who's the best player off on that? Pronax > Zywoo? In the end, to determine the BEST player who had the BEST peak, rating will be the most deciding factor, wether we like it or not.
2022-10-07 23:47
In cs I don't konw, but in esport in general I'd say that there are atm more talented players in LOL, mostly from China and Korea
2022-09-29 13:17
#98
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Bulgaria tick10
zywoo.niko are more talanted than s1mple. The key for him being the best is the hard work and strong mindset
2022-09-29 13:57
dickriding level is insaaaane
2022-09-29 14:06
Probably not anytime soon, I don't think people understand how rare it is for a player to be on such a high level for so long, most players have 6-9months of greatness but this guy has been going strong since 2017 or earlier.
2022-09-29 14:06
zywoo is better than s1mple + better attitude
2022-09-29 14:07
12 replies
how is zywoo better than s1mple
2022-09-29 17:18
11 replies
he's selfless, the perfect teammate in terms of attitude and playstyle. Not afraid to make sacrifices to win, never rages or tilts, entries. On top of that there's the eye test. Watching zywoo is like watching a TAS speedrun theres just something about how he plays where u can just tell csgo is an extension of his body and mind
2022-09-29 18:45
10 replies
a better person dosent mean a better player??..xD s1mple has a much higher peak and a much MUCH better career than zywoo
2022-09-29 18:56
9 replies
yes it does because how you treat your teammates as a person in game and out makes a big difference. If you're in a mm game and theres the choice between a guy going 30-15 and flaming you and talking shit and giving up easily or a guy going 30-15 whos supportive and boosts morale you'd take guy #2 every time. That means if being a good person means being a good teammate, and being a good teammate contributes to being a good player then being a good person contributes to being a good player
2022-09-29 19:45
8 replies
if zywoo is like s1mple just less toxic why didnt vitality win any events? meanwhile navi won almost everything last year? ur logic is flawed
2022-09-29 21:00
7 replies
because boombl4 > apex electronic > shox b1t > nivera perfecto > misutaaa are you serious?
2022-09-29 21:19
6 replies
Yea but s1mple very bad teammate his guys cant perform if hes toxic meanwhile zywoo gives them a skill and moral boost cuz very good teammate 😟😟
2022-09-29 22:50
5 replies
lol
2022-09-29 23:00
4 replies
thats what i thought
2022-09-29 23:26
3 replies
that your appeal to extremes "argument" is so superior that I had nothing else to say? I can't change your mind and don't care to so why not leave it there
2022-09-29 23:29
2 replies
sure lets leave it at that gn
2022-09-29 23:32
1 reply
gn *kisses your forehead and tucks you in*
2022-09-29 23:35
#106
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Brazil flytw4tp
i can name at least 3 brazilian players better than s1mple
2022-09-29 14:26
2 replies
I also can do name FalleN flytw4tp Gaules
2022-09-29 16:55
1 reply
#128
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Brazil flytw4tp
indeed bro
2022-09-29 16:55
i feel like zywoo is messi cuz is pure talent and s1mple is ronaldo cuz of his hardworking ethic and putting the hours into the game just like ronaldo. lets be honest here in term of pure skill and crosshair placement zywoo is 1 gear above s1mple but in terms of gamesense s1mple is 1 gear above zywoo cuz of his T1 experience. honest opinion from a s1mple fan.
2022-09-29 15:58
1 reply
S1mple 2018 version was miles above zywoo at his peak. Just watch s1mple carrying highlights from 2018.
2022-09-29 17:02
still horrible human being
2022-09-29 16:13
s1mple had #4s and #8s when he was starting his pro career zywoo went straight to 2019(#1) 2020(#1) 2021(#2) and now 2022(#1)? thats starting when cs is at its most competitive it wasnt half as hard when s1mple started its not even close, plus hes only just starting his career hes only 21 imagine what he can become
2022-09-29 16:21
9 replies
2022(#1) lol? He is playing his 2nd playoffs in 2022, hltv doesnt count groupstage rating that much, zywoo has like 1.15 rating against top10. Zywoo just started his career? He is already 4 years in tier1. His fanboys are something else, the definition of delusional.
2022-09-29 17:07
7 replies
when zywoo averages 1.4 rating for 6 months straight last half of the year he will get #1
2022-09-29 18:46
6 replies
He just finished one groupstage with 1.4 rating and his fangirls go crazy, so funny.
2022-09-29 23:04
5 replies
heading to mousepad signing: teehee *blushes* omg omg zywoo is talking to me! OMG zywoo shook my hand!!! I am NEVER washing my hand again so i can caress my face with zywoos hand at night
2022-09-29 23:05
4 replies
Yes, you all look like this, zywoo farts - his fanboys call it a miracle, and zypoo jesus.
2022-09-29 23:16
3 replies
I would drag my ballsack through 10 kilometres of used hiv ridden needles in oceanwater to hear zywoo fart through a walkie talkie
2022-09-29 23:24
2 replies
Im sure you will. Take all fatwoo fanboys with you plz.
2022-09-29 23:25
1 reply
Heaven and Hell aren't good and bad or righteous and evil. Those who support GODWOO will go to heaven and those who don't go to hell
2022-09-29 23:27
hard-work is always better than talent so s1mple >>>>>zywoo
2022-09-29 17:18
#121
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Argentina RHM321
Lebron James
2022-09-29 16:51
3 replies
jordan > every1 in the world (and his dog) heard about jordan and he retired ages ago 1 out of 100 (if not 1000) heard about lebron from those who doesnt follow basketball
2022-10-07 16:14
2 replies
#384
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Argentina RHM321
George Mikan
2022-10-07 16:37
1 reply
i actually needed to google that, but i was never into basketball :)
2022-10-07 23:27
The s1mple thing isn't only talent, it's more like consistency year by year it'll be hard to see any other player finish the year with 1.33 rating (2018) and 1.35 rating (2021) as he did dominating every aspect of the game, his records and dozens of MVPs will be hard to reach too
2022-09-29 17:07
We have Zywoo , he is already destroying everyone and im sure he will reach his goals and in 3 4 years there will be no debate about who is the greater because it gonna be zywoo . being top 1 in 2 years when u are new in top tier that s just a Great start .
2022-09-29 17:20
looking back it feels that cs was more competitive back then. There were more legendary players in action back then and any new talent caught the eye pretty fast. In 2015 we had players like f0rest, guardian, olof, kennys, snax etc dominating the scene. Even NA had so much prospects at that time with Hiko, n0thing & shroud leading the charge. So at that point, it was like who is this s1mple kid who is wrecking everyone in t2. The excitement in NA scene when s1mple joined was unprecedented. The instant result was Liquid making to ESL Cologne finals. s1mple was like a dream player which csgo always wanted and he never disappointed what was expected of him ever since then.
2022-09-29 17:20
1 reply
2015-2018 were the best years of CS GO.
2022-09-29 17:52
probably monesy in a few years
2022-09-29 17:24
ZywOo is better
2022-09-29 17:25
There are a lot of players in esport who were/are better than s1mple.
2022-09-29 17:30
no, he mixed talent and work hard like naruto
2022-09-29 17:33
Never say never. But in CSgo / maybe even eSports the bar he set is very high
2022-09-29 17:54
3 replies
Thats not true at all.
2022-10-04 14:51
2 replies
It is.
2022-10-07 16:03
1 reply
Nope, there are a lot of players in other games who are levels above s1mple, s1mple isnt even the goat in cs go.
2022-10-07 16:54
u guys talk too much for 2k-3k elo
2022-09-29 17:58
junior. just wait a couple of years
2022-09-29 18:27
1 reply
junior has already by far surpassed s1mple
2022-09-30 14:46
Rapha in Quake
2022-09-29 18:44
#195
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Russia Gordin885
Zywoo has been above his level for a long time.But S1mple has a better team
2022-09-29 19:30
#199
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Eswatini  xyzoo
overrated trash cheater, awp abusing bot, shaking like a gold nova player while aiming, toxic, cringe
2022-09-29 19:36
1 reply
haha +997
2022-09-30 01:13
ZywOo
2022-09-29 19:38
there already is
2022-09-29 19:59
2 replies
who?
2022-09-29 19:59
1 reply
GoatabseN
2022-09-30 22:24
s1mple is my goat
2022-09-29 21:53
i hope a turkish guy will be
2022-09-29 21:54
EZ GOAT love him or hate him, no one can do what he does when he is on fire. Even when he is not "on fire" he is better than 95% of pros.
2022-09-29 23:43
ZywOo much better
2022-09-30 01:12
Man... Miracle/Arteezy/Dendi from Dota2 Faker/Caps/Rekkles from LoL Zywhoo/Twistzz/Niko CS Chicago from Roket League...lol pavel for Hearstone Sinatraa for Overwatch i'm not even mentioning the all Fighter scene is not like simple is so unique and a never seen talent
2022-09-30 09:00
5 replies
are you dead serious putting Rekkles there? dude has 0 international trophies and hes playing since 2013
2022-09-30 12:53
1 reply
when you think of european league of legends you think rekkles. same when you think cs go you think simple. You can't deny that rekkles was talented and a fucking beast, won split mvp in a team that didn't qualified worlds. Simple never won a Major until recently so wtf are you taling about
2022-09-30 14:39
I think only Dendi, Miracle and Faker have really big names.
2022-09-30 13:34
1 reply
yea, if you wanto to pick la creme de la creme
2022-09-30 14:40
strenx from quakelive <3
2022-10-07 16:02
the recency bias for zywoo is just unreal at this point, bunch of npcs here
2022-09-30 11:44
1 reply
#332
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France Gabenjaa
just the true
2022-09-30 18:40
You are so right
2022-09-30 13:31
#311
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Sweden Lackstrom
Starcraft 2 Serral from finland Rank 1. Rest of top 10 are like 9 South koreans .
2022-09-30 13:40
1 reply
for quite long time grubby (from netherland) was among consistent top4 on majority of tournaments in sc, guess it was late sc1/early sc2, not sure if he's still playing tho
2022-10-07 16:08
#325
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Brazil b0unz
I think ZywOo is better than s1mple, personal opinion, i like both of them
2022-09-30 14:53
dont know much about lol but heard a lot of faker
2022-09-30 18:41
s1mple is a great player, but I prefer zywoo playstyle sometimes i think that if zywoo played in navi and simple in vitality, zywoo would probably be winning more tournaments
2022-09-30 21:21
Prefer Fatal1ty over S1mple looking what he made possible for esports and future esporters after him
2022-09-30 22:37
overall, s1mple is the best, but right now, zywoo is clearly better
2022-10-04 19:39
#348
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Europe tete4761
ZywOo is much more talented than simpel and the only reason why simpel has more achievements is that he played pro thrice as more as ZywOo and had better teammates up to recent times. Also comparing someone like simpel with Faker is very rude to Faker, as Faker is a true GOAT for the esports he is competing in.
2022-10-04 19:42
1 reply
2022-10-07 16:04
#351
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Europe gazxhe
s1mple and zywOo are monster, goats il you love one and hate another then csgo is not for you
2022-10-04 19:45
zywoo younger and skill wise same or even better also he is not a toxic kid like s1mple is just wait few years and zywoo will have much more achievements and he will be recognized as the goat
2022-10-04 19:48
10 replies
just u wait a few years bro :D
2022-10-06 21:30
2000 years later
2022-10-06 21:32
8 replies
Typical navi fan stereotype checks out
2022-10-07 07:56
7 replies
flag flair checks out
2022-10-07 14:58
6 replies
What does being a polish fan of dycha do with it xddd? Delusional
2022-10-07 15:44
5 replies
AVARAGE POLAND PERSON
2022-10-07 15:57
4 replies
? xd get those glasses off your eyes and realize that zywoo will achieve much more than s1mple did and my nationality doesnt have anything to this
2022-10-07 17:49
3 replies
2 replies
You are a baiter bruh man do you know what few more years means?
2022-10-07 19:42
1 reply
nt
2022-10-07 19:56
No
2022-10-04 23:32
3 replies
xi wu?
2022-10-06 21:29
2 replies
Nah only Hu Xi comes close
2022-10-06 21:31
1 reply
based!
2022-10-06 21:32
not just in cs but in esports in general? > faker > fatality > 820 > f0rest only cs? > neo > f0rest > zywho s0mple is overrated
2022-10-07 16:09
2 replies
3/8
2022-10-07 16:05
1 reply
i am really that good, baited some1 while was not baiting
2022-10-07 16:06
#377
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Brazil flytw4tp
put some respect on f0rest name
2022-10-07 16:06
Flash, JaeDong and BoxeR from SC Brood Wars Faker from LoL Daigo Armada and Mang0 from Melee Rapha from Quake All massively more talented and better players in their games than s1mple Also ZywOo in the future obviously so I don't see the point of the thread
2022-10-07 16:17
1 reply
aside from Faker, you've listed 1v1 players. it's not really comparable.
2022-10-07 19:58
wNv.Savage was a way better player.
2022-10-07 17:00
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