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Zero | 
Ukraine BaGrAnD 
Here's my thoughts on the matter: G2 looked like they choked big time, VERY big time. They looked pretty fine before the event, but this is very bad, I don't think that they'll change anything, it's just a really painul blow (To their ego as well), they got a wake up call that they still have a TON of work to do with this lineup. Astralis on the other hand... It's just humiliating at this point. If G2 is a metaphorical guy, who just got hit with a bat and got a concussion, then Astralis is a dead corpse that got spit on. There is no good way out for them out of this situation, they have to overhaul the whole roster. Maybe leave gla1ve, but I'm not sure even about that. But for sure -Farlig -Xyp -k0nfig, this lineup have not been working for a while now
2022-10-07 21:48
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#1
Zero | 
Ukraine BaGrAnD
Thoughts?
2022-10-07 21:49
Whats the point of discussing astralis? They are demotivated because device is joining
2022-10-07 21:49
13 replies
Come on, he's not going to be THAT bad
2022-10-07 21:50
6 replies
LMAO good one
2022-10-07 22:16
#61
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United States GVoidV2
LOL
2022-10-07 22:35
haha good one mens gave me small smile in the midst of sadness of astralis going home
2022-10-07 22:58
#76
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Europe S0me_dude
LMAO
2022-10-07 23:36
W
2022-10-07 23:38
axaxaaxaxax
2022-10-08 08:51
#8
FASHR | 
France Ansi
it aint happening bro
2022-10-07 21:50
Also having to play with standin doesn’t help because one of them wanted to play street fighter 6 in Malta
2022-10-07 21:52
3 replies
#16
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Argentina Tegu619
jhahahahah
2022-10-07 21:53
Well, I guess they can play street fighter 6 with their angry fans irl now, lul
2022-10-07 21:55
1 reply
LMAO
2022-10-07 22:55
#15
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Argentina Tegu619
xd
2022-10-07 21:53
g2 need to rebuild, niko needs to become a support player in a t2 roster maybe then he wont choke
2022-10-07 21:49
3 replies
Or maybe he just needs to suck it and understand his place. His ego is holding him back and it's quite sad.
2022-10-07 23:20
1 reply
Could you explain how?
2022-10-08 10:01
You do realize that Niko is still considered one of the best rifflers in the game right.. like yes they failed to qualify but don't count this brand new roster out quite yet
2022-10-08 09:43
#4
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Finland Pukki_Goat
Karma is biatch, G2
2022-10-07 21:49
#6
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France Evalion
Mistakes after mistakes from Astralis, they should have kicked Xyp9x after Antwerp, missed on nicoodoz. Finally they are paying it and I'm glad. G2 big choke.
2022-10-07 21:50
9 replies
Yeah, that is true, I still can't believe they did not manage to pick up ANY of cph players, jesus, even refrezh was not a bad option
2022-10-07 21:56
8 replies
Like how do they think keeping Farlig is a good option when he is just trash every match.
2022-10-07 22:03
One worse, they made Bubzkji retire... a young talent. At this point, there is nothing to discuss, tbh. G2, sure. Astralis - lost cause. I am a fan since CPH Wolves but Xyp is washed and the other 2 core players are gone (Devve may come back but at this point, i have my doubts). So i basically support Gla1ve and Xyp in an ORG nobody likes for obvious reasons (scummy org)
2022-10-07 22:10
6 replies
Still sad for Bubzkji tbh
2022-10-07 22:11
#51
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Romania styl3noxe
nothing is really that obv, people just talk without any proof lol.Not the best org in the world but still...
2022-10-07 22:21
3 replies
Astralis is the worst organization in every field of this world
2022-10-07 23:34
2 replies
#79
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Romania styl3noxe
proof ?
2022-10-07 23:45
1 reply
Can't explain facts to a fangirl
2022-10-08 21:03
I gave up on Astralis the day Device left, idek what player hltv says I'm a fan of right now but I started to give up on the game around the same time as Device leaving which basically made me lose interest in the whole scene and I switched to a couple other games now. Astralis died when device left tldr, they are merely a rotting corpse now
2022-10-08 07:40
Only farlig will leave, makes no sense to change the rest
2022-10-07 21:50
9 replies
Well, Farlig looked great in EPL groops, they still somehow managet to lose to HEET. It's not the single player is the problem, this lineup and the system it has just does not work
2022-10-07 21:53
7 replies
If they'll bring in device, I don't think players like Xyp9x & gla1ve should be dropped, I'm sure they are gonna play better under his wing
2022-10-07 22:00
4 replies
I think there is still some bad blood left between Device and gla1ve, I don't see him as forgiving type, it will be the same as between Zeus and seized. But maybe that's just me
2022-10-07 22:06
3 replies
Let's just hope everything will be alright. We all were waiting for comeback of this legend for too long
2022-10-07 22:13
#43
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Other Piano
if there’s bad blood, device won’t rejoin astralis
2022-10-07 22:13
1 reply
My guess it's more onesided, it's more like "Device doesn't give a shit and gla1ve hates him coz he ruined the team"
2022-10-07 22:15
"Great" is far stretch if you only look at leaderboards. In-game, that guy is clueless. I've seen level 5 Faceit bots with better coordination.
2022-10-07 22:11
1 reply
Sometimes he just doesn't hit the shot that looks so easy and dead on. I can't count how many times I've caught myself saying "Come on, wtf, even I would've hit that"
2022-10-07 22:13
xyp9x has to go too
2022-10-07 22:14
#9
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Romania Nickname90
i feel like G2 underestimate Gamerlegion, probably thought it's a fast 2-0
2022-10-07 21:50
1 reply
Yeah, like I said, It's a huge blow to their ego, and a lesson to be learned and remembered
2022-10-07 22:24
Dropping out of the major cycle entirely is a problem too big for any T1 team that was expected to already be on the fast lane to said majors playoffs. I just don't see how they can come up with reasons to hold the roster intact.
2022-10-07 21:51
G2's exit was shocking, they shouldn't be losing to the teams they lost to. Astralis exit was expected, this roster doesn't work plus they lost k0nfig and replaced him with a below average player from their talent squad for this qualifier. They can only hope dev1ce turns everything around.
2022-10-07 21:52
3 replies
Mstr is their best player in the tournament except BF
2022-10-07 21:59
1 reply
Yes, doesn't change the fact that he is a below average talent.
2022-10-07 22:37
k0nfig is always a 50/50 player nowdays. He either going to be carrying, or he's gonna bottomfrag. It's better to pick up a guy that is going to put up a solid 1 kd with slight deviations from game to game than keeping k0nfig in my opinion
2022-10-07 22:26
who cares about astraloss bc of mistr and possible device, I think this was probably expected tbh G2 on the other hand is a disaster of colossal proportions
2022-10-07 21:52
#18
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Portugal GODranar
They had the perfect time to sign refreshz and some players from copenhagen flames
2022-10-07 21:54
1 reply
Agreed in #21
2022-10-07 21:58
Ive said this multiple times. G2 needs some fucking identity and philosophy. Stop playing like a tier 3 pug team that runs around doing nothing and just doing execs. These superstars called Hunter and NiKo need to fucking put down their egos and listen to a IGL who will bring them structure eg. gla1ve or siuhy or maybe even beg nexa to come back. When you see NAVI on the server, you know its them. Even when you see Heroic u feel like ur playing Heroic. When u play G2 you just think oh this is a pug team thats it Meanwhile with Astralis, idk the team is just a sinking ship. k0nfig or not they suck ass, BaitF’s playstyle hurts them more than it benefits them, farlig is shit, Xyp is a problem but hes the least of concerns rn imo.
2022-10-07 21:56
9 replies
Wanter to write something but you said it so well I won't bother. Good job bro, fully agree.
2022-10-07 22:00
3 replies
Thanks man. As much as I laugh at G2, the problem is so clear anyone with a decent bit of cs knowledge can tell whats the issue
2022-10-07 22:10
2 replies
You got me interested. Specifically if its because of Niko that G2 is this way. I went and checked G2 dust2 T-side from Katowice 2020 and Cologne 2021. Niko came to roster in between. It seems obvious that in Kato 2020 G2 always tried to go together to all situations with 3-4 player packs bulldozing everything down with numbers and trading effectively. Maybe one making fakes somewhere. But I can easily describe what kind of style they are trying to play as a team. In Col 2021 its more generic default heavy style with everyone holding a certain positon of the map and taking "favorable" duels with often one other person assisting with flashbang or trading. Especially Niko is often working the map alone. Its much more hard to say what the team as collective is trying to do, but it seems like they are hoping for Niko to find an advantage they can work with. I can't come up with any clever explanation of the style that does not include mentioning Niko individually. Is that coincidence that they changed the style because the previous one stopped working? But the most important thing is that while I can recognize a G2 style in Katowice 2020, I cannot really say same in Cologne 2021. Cologne seemed much like we saw today, individual attempts and especially Niko working alone most of the time.
2022-10-07 23:08
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I myself need to go and rewatch some of the VODs of NiKo before joining G2 and after but its late as fuck for me so i’ll probably do it tomorrow when im up. And yep thats why when G2’s playstyle goes to shit they literally have no other back up plans hence they were able to make 2 finals in 2021 but then lost in both. Also this isnt the same NiKo from end of 2021, but Ill be back to this thread tomorrow after watching some of G2’s older games.
2022-10-07 23:19
I too kinda felt that about G2, but I wrote it off as a honeymoon period, since hooxi joined not that long ago. But then in the interview he said that he wanted to bring more freedom to players on the team. Well, guess what mr. gigachad, they don't have TOO MUCH freedom for a reason, jeesh
2022-10-07 22:00
3 replies
exactly. this is not pre-astralis cs where first off u cannot have ur IGL posting 0.7 ratings consistently and secondly, u cant not have a certain philosophy and gameplan in modern cs where G2 in this case has both.
2022-10-07 22:12
2 replies
Yeah. In modern cs you just can't allow yourself to be a liability, even when you're IGL. Not everyone has s1mple on your team when you're Zeus
2022-10-07 22:17
1 reply
Ok but Zeus carried them on Inferno against Astralis at cologne 2018
2022-10-08 08:37
Nice. +1
2022-10-07 23:13
#30
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England MikeLCHV
Astralis should bench everyone except blamef, sign the danes from sprout + device and build from there G2 are just finished, hunter and niko are cursed, jks is the worst lurker ive seen but insane anchor so wtf is going on there, how hooxi is a pro idk, and monesy is the only good player
2022-10-07 22:03
G2 not qualified was shocking i agree, losing to 1win and gamerlegion are really unacceptable, but it is what it is, i hope it would be wake up call for them that they need more consistent as a team and not too much relying on individual play. astralis on the other hand, i mean what you expect from this dead team anyway lol also playing with 18 yo standin to repalce one of their best player won't help them either.
2022-10-07 22:03
#36
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Romania Pecea
G2: -Niko +young talent Astralis: -k0nfig -farlig -xyp9x +possibly dev1ce (definetly not copium) +two young talents
2022-10-07 22:08
2 replies
I dont think that G2 have to -NiKo, I just think that g2 need an IGL who can shut him up like Zeus was back in the day, he was the guy who could shut up s1mple and make him listen, and it was back when he was a toxic af kid. I feel like NiKo has too much of a say in what they do on the map.
2022-10-07 22:20
G2 -Roster expect Hooxi +Regali +Launx +IM +Xellow Astralis -everyone expect Xpy9x because of his contract +Torzsi (rifle) +Aaron +Kory +Fleav EZ major final.
2022-10-07 22:37
Astralis' T side and inconsistent AWPer are the main reason they're recessing so bad. It's just sad too see the greatest ever csgo team became like this. They need to completely rebuild around gla1ve. Even though his fragging capability dropped so hard, he has everything what it takes to be the best team. He needs consistent players around him. And Xyp9x needs go sadly, he isn't the clutch minister anymore but below average player.
2022-10-07 22:15
#52
s1n | 
Finland Khroni
'G2 choke' I dont think choking is losing to GL 16-4 and 16-12, that's just being bad
2022-10-07 22:21
G2 at this point should kick Niko, it's like hes not believing in anyone, always frustrated Astralis is just a shit show how the "best" igl has so terrible system and we always pointing fingers to others it doesn't make sense
2022-10-07 22:22
#57
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Denmark smorrebrod
G2s biggest enemy hit once more. they just cant handle pressure, when GL got to like round 12 i already knew the game was over.
2022-10-07 22:28
When G2 lost to 1WIN i just blamed the Bo1 system, but damnit. The way how Niko tilts himself up, and they can't ban Ancient, made these loses really deserved for them. I actually just became really happy about the way how they just got out of this RMR, even if i usualy cheered for them (and i still will if they not against Liquid), I hope changes will happen. In the other hand i think GamerLegion is a really underrated team, and the way how they let Acor go out from the IGL's chain is just really works out for them. Also IM plays really well, even as a Hungarian i really like these young Romanian talents like him, Regali, Launx etc. If GL wins against B8 tomorrow they can have a bright future.
2022-10-07 22:34
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#80
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Ukraine d1ffard
true
2022-10-07 23:47
The strats for both teams are dead. Only solution - clone Yekindar and/or steal & copy the brains of Jame.
2022-10-07 22:34
It's easy to say that G2 will not change anything and Astralis are going to be rebuilt in some way
2022-10-07 22:42
Astralis had shit players, cant expect much from mistR since he is from academy team, xyp being basic xyp (move on), farlig is inconsistent and gla1ve strats are shit. Face it, the time for gla1ve and xyp is gone, gla1ve should transition to coaching. G2 is so weak mentally that it's laughable, does hooXi seem like a guy who will put his foot down and believably motivate his dudes, calm them or be strict? It's just a bunch of guys who "like freedom to do what they want" but you cant just outaim people all the time in T1
2022-10-07 22:53
Both teams suffer from dysfunctionality and inconsistent players. It is a good thing they didn't quality. Stop wasting our time and make the required changes to compete.
2022-10-07 23:10
xyp9x is a legend but he has to go, just not good enough for the t1 scene anymore, -farlig as well and bring in device and a new support rifler, i think while k0nfig is inconsistent, he should be given some more time with a solid support structure and a world class awper. hopefully the consistency that device brings will help stabilise the lineup, and if not, disband
2022-10-07 23:14
G2 had a lot of misscomunication problems that made them lose rounds and break momentum, like not open at same time to trade, using utility twice at same spot and then having no smoke for the execute... If they keep the roster for some months and they find good chemistry, they will be top contender, no doubt. Astralis was poor for too many months and they removed Konfig, who wasn't consistent, but when he was on highs was the one helping the team turn into T1 contender. If they bring dev1ce for Konfig they will keep same dynamic, they need to sell xypbot to TSM and farlig and bring dev1ce and someone else like zyphoon if they want to be stable top10 team.
2022-10-07 23:25
Astralis -konfig (id keep him but he keeps breaking appendages) +refrezh -xyp +device I would also -farlig but I dont know who to replace him with that is realistic
2022-10-07 23:38
1 reply
There are options. Acor, nicoodoz (might be expensive af but worth it), or an non-danish awper
2022-10-08 08:05
bro everyone already knew astralis isn't qualifying but g2...
2022-10-08 08:52
these threads just baiting me at this point, astralis fanbase 0 braincells and enjoy actively avoiding looking at the problem
2022-10-08 09:50
I don't think G2 overall has been even better than Astralis since NiKo joined. Not even a tier 2 event victory. Astralis is certainly going to rewamp the roster, I just hope G2 recognize what Ch0k0 is and kick him out.
2022-10-08 09:59
+1. Spot on
2022-10-08 10:01
everyone says that niko has a big ego, but have you heard what his teammates said, that what people write is not true
2022-10-08 21:05
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