forgot to finish my sentence in the second paragraph pls ignore ))) "games that are shifting into the direction of esports and competition are just trying to stay relevant by getting involved into the lucrative business that is professional gaming"

I lowkey thought this was gonna be a dojima thread 40 yo cod players are seething that the days of dominating noobs on games that they’ve been playing for longer than they’ve been alive are over

I don’t think it’s esports specifically. Game companies are just becoming complacent because sheep buy the same titles no matter what. That’s why indie might be the way to go atm, or old classics. If an esports game like OW isn’t ur thing, just don’t play. Ez. Some positives however, like it’s keeping csgo alive.

Not reading this

Only 40 year old men who cry about "cancel culture" think this

esport is irrelevant in the whole world nobody cares about it why such energy wasting on a pointless debate

Ah yes I remember when televising sports events and things like the Olympics ruined sports.

I think russians are ruining most games.

it's dumb. Personally I feel like pros being asked makes a lot sense, people will adapt to the game as it is and the pros have the most knowledge about the game and therefore could have the most informed opinions. They play it at the highest level, at the level the game is like...intended to be played so to say, therefore their opinions I would value more than random casual players

esports ruining gaming is a very stupid take imo

Esports is fine. I think the bigger issue is on the developer and how they interface with what the general public wants and what the pros want in terms of how the game is developed. In CS we're actually kind of blessed that valve takes a very hands off approach, albeit it's a double edged sword. I say this because they're not constantly trying to shift the meta with updates, rather the meta is shifted based on pro play (for the most part). We're also lucky in that the pro scene and the casual scene overall seem to have a similar idea in how they want the game to unfold since valve's infrequent updates really let's the scene settle on what's most important rather than constantly trying to fight out how to rebalance a constantly shifting meta.

i think the competitive nature and low ttk makes csgo an exception. games like cod, apex legends, and league of legends should be pandering more to the average player instead of trying to force competitive and pro play. also, pros should be good at the games they play. not games should be good for those pro players.

It's dumb. People have been competitive simply because everyone finds satisfaction from knowing they're better than someone else. It doesn't matter if it's in games, art, fighting, whatever. There's a reason there are competitions for everything imaginable. So it is not related to e-sports but to human beings in general.

This isn't esports fault in anyway. The nail has been hit on the head a bunch of times. It's that gaming is more out there, exposed and easy to learn. There are countless youtube videos about how to get better at games, and be the best at games. Regardless if your casual or not, no one wants to join a server and get dumped on, so they want to at least get the basics. Long gone are the times when someone grinded the game casually could dominate a server. Though Battlefield 2042 is a garbage game, it's still a gamers game. Even if you're cracked, it's just a game to jump in and blow some stuff up without ever thinking of going pro or competitive in. CSGO - I mean, I get it a touch. I do miss the community pubs from 1.6, they were just a classic vibe. But, the casual servers are still full of people that just want to play the game, and not actually know how to play it. Games like DOTA, LoL and Valorant are games that were designed specifically for competitive gaming. So if someone complains about those, they are idiots and didn't research the game before investing time into it.

just dumb people who expect a casual experience in a competitive shooter, like what. go play world of warcraft or something. who cares what they think.

I played a lot of CS 1.6 and CS:S and I never once touched the competitive side of those games. I played superhero mod, kz, surf, jailbreak, prophunt, zombie escape etc. A competitive game doesn't have to be competitive unless that's the only thing the game allows for, but tbh CS:GO is shit when it comes to the non-competitive aspect of the game. Only surf is relevant

if ur terrible at the game and dont even strive to get better thats not smth to be proud of lmao

Ecelebs, streamers and twitch are ruining gaming

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TRY YO WIN

The most successful multiplayer games are those that have a good esport and are competetive.

I wouldn't say esports ruin games, obviously, competition only adds to the value of a community. I would say, however, that developers focusing on esports can 100% ruin a game. Let's take a look at Halo as our example. From Halo CE (2001) to Halo Reach (2010), Halo was made by Bungie who, at their core, had "fun" as the main aspect to focus on when making their multiplayer. It was easily the most popular Xbox game and one of the most popular games overall, while also having one of the biggest pro scenes of all time, completely revolutionary. When 343 took over, they started designing their sandbox with a focus on what the pros want and, because of that, the games stopped being fun. I had the highest possible Halo 5 rank, meaning I was one of the top 200 players of certain playlists. But I hated almost every second I spent playing that game because it is easily the sweatiest mp I've ever seen in my life. With that being said, developers should focus on the general public, not on the pros. The scene comes as a consequence.

You could make the argument that game balance around pros can sometimes be negative for the casual playerbase(casual here being the 95%+ that won't ever become pro or attempt to), but other than that I don't see how esports would ruin gaming. It's just another way of promoting the game to the public and therefore is reducing queue times even on the casual level. What arguments do those people bring to the table that esports ruins gaming?

LOL. Imagine these guys playing old fighting games, they would smash their monitor. Online tryhards exists since forever.

shit video.

Dota got destroyed for me cuz of too much "esports" focus. But the only game I know.

this was also the case in the 2000's lol? people have always tryharded in games there was just less ''ranked'' gamemodes

I don't follow esporst outside of CS really but I think it's like a gigantic plus to this game and I have friends that I queue with weekly that could care less. In fact most of them could care less. Point is they are essentially the same skill level as me and their interest or lack of interest doesn't really make a difference. But for me it's really fun to follow as I'm passionate basically just about this game alone. Also I'm 30ish and DMG. So like high level matchmaking I guess. I also don't care at all if someone else is better. I expect twitchy 17 year olds to be better. I have a couple friends that are semi-pro (or have games on HLTV I should say) and for my own groups purposes this doesn't really matter.

I agree Minecraft > CSGO

I don't care at all what some casual normos have to say about anything, too busy doing actual things.

nothing changes, just more gamers now, than before.

either don't play competitive games or get good lul

Complainers are mostly the -cod community -r6 r6 players are unfunny as hell and cant decide whether or not they want their game to succeed as a tac fps or they want it to become haha tachanka go brrr hero shooter Cod players are babies who get mad when "tryhards" whoop them in games, and then go on to complain about sbmm. Like get better? Noooo waaahhh they are too good. Unironically they believe that esports pros want things to be unfun and boring, yet r6's shit movement etc is not due to the pros but just ass devs. Cod complainers are full of 12 yearolds who pretend they were around to play bo2, and they "want things to back to how they should be". But if they made guns mad op like they used to in mw2 they would get mad and cry it's unbalanced then they complain that "casual games" are disappearing, like why not play fall guys or something smh

Nah what's ruining games is mega Americanised corporations that literally just pump out soulless games for money with no passion for their creation, look at literally any triple A title released in the last say half a decade maybe even decade. The formula has been streamlines and refined to make the cheapest games possible that pull in the most money possible, freemium games, battlepasses, loot boxes, skins skins skins. When I look back at games like bf3, the early call of duty game etc, where skins were just something you unlocked in the game via skill or just didn't matter to the game at all in the case of BF3 arguably the best multiplayer shooter in that genre especially by Dice who went on to just nose dive into the ground because in order to keep with the max profit minimum spending they tried to cut and fire or reduce the roles of any actually talented developer and instead bring in a load of dogshit developers, woke activist devs etc that they could just crunch whenever because the devs don't care how they are treated as long as they can shoehorn their shit message into the games. I think Mass effect andromeda was a great example of that. Gaming is being killed by many forces but i'd say the main forces are devs that are just woke and lack any talent but will work for cheap. companies that want to appeal to the "wider audience" that doesn't exist the multiple cash grab features every game has now. But mainly by moronic gamers that will buy any shit thrown out by their idolized corporate overlord of choice, you've seen them stanning for overwatch 2, sucking off 343's halo infinite, saying yeah I'd happy give blizzard my mobile number and all information they want

I can understand the complaints in comparison to the casual gaming market but if it is a competitive game with the sole purpose of competition being the goal of the game, then an esport or potential tournaments is only a given - I wouldn't say that it is directly "ruining games", gamers know exactly which audience and majority userbase frequent particular games and still opt to play these very games. Online multiplayer has come a long way since the old days...

theyre not having fun because theyre not winning so they want someone else to stop winning/having fun so that they can have fun

Stopped reading after "on twitter"

aaaah yes, boomers living through their nostalgia and projecting onto others.

Nah, YouTube did. Pre-YT days you got good by putting in the hours and learning after a good butt whooping. Now you can watch a few 5 minute videos and git gud in a fraction of the time.

Atleast you are dead.