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Why is this dude such a delusional hater of this version of Vitality? I get you want to build your french scene, but to say that a national french team would be better than this Vitality is such a delusional thing to say. Good thing they went international otherwise Apex would have still not had a tier 1 trophy this year.
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French Vitality did better in every major they played in without a team with multi-millionaire superstars. Don't see how he's wrong.
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they didnt pay shit for dupreeh magisk and zonic and they were getting similar salaries in astralis but they wanted to play in better environment. stop with the multi millionarie shit. zywoo and spinx are the "superstars" of this team and they crumbled, not dupreeh and magisk
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zonic dupreeh and magisk cost them well over 100k a month combined wich in a year is more than a million dollar. They also paid a lot for Spinx altough the team agreed to pay for some of the transfer wich is totally insane and unheard of from a top team.
Neo is so cheap that he cant even pay a transfer with Vita's money, how pathetic lol.
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welcome to tier 1 cs mate. if you think french players who are left the team didnt get paid similar numbers you are naive. i dont know how much they paid for spinx but its been 2 months, he was dominating in ence and him getting signed made me excited as a navi fan so give him some time and maybe you should try to blame zywoo or apex for not being able to use zywoo because zywoo didnt play like superstar when u compare his stats with the danes
btw: youtube.com/watch?v=2C7Y3oJmDgQ&list=LL&..
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kyojin probably had minimal wage tbh
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it would be unfair to pay to intern as much as the legends
tbh he had to have been paying Vitality to keep him on the roster otherwise he wouldve been gone sooner
as he should
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accorting to countless romors worst player in tier 1 scene is getting paid 20k and its going up to 40k excluding zywoo s1mple and niko. thats what i know and yeah i believe rpk and misuta got paid around 30k and kyojin was the worst of the worst and im certain dupreeh and magisk are not getting paid more than apex. my point stands
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+1 They were consistently on top
Okay? I didn't say this international did better than the french lineupp, im just saying that if they want to win big trophies they need to go international cuz u can get every players in different regions.
Neo want to be top 1 not just being a good team, and going international is the way. How is that hard to understand?
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i believe xtqz said that going international was (for most orgs, not precisely vitality) purely based on $$$$
having fans in 5 countries gets you more monies than having fans in 1 country.
Also no international team has ever had an era, or won a major (other than faze ofc, and look at them now omegalul) so i don't know what you mean by "that's the way" other than jerseys sales.
If he wants to build an international that's perfect, but just release zywoo, the man doesn't deserve being stuck in an shitty experimental team for 4 years.
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international is the way for french teams
doesnt make sens
didn't answer
the problem is that the french lineup had no longevity. like literally everyone but zywoo played with sub 1.05 ratings. you could say that the current vitality also has to have zywoo do 1.4 ratings to win, but this lineup has already won 1 S-tier trophy in the ~3 months it's been a thing. vitality had 2.5 years in their dead lineup with an in-form zywoo and they only won 2 or 3 events in their full french lineup. this lineup has a muchhhh higher peak than the former vitality, and to me at least this is actually a potentially winning team.
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its been 10 months since vitality went international, only difference 2 months ago was spinx
also them winning epl was a total joke, 16-13 19-17 against outsiders, another ot vs G2 and 2 more ot maps in finals against Liquid where Liquid could easily win it. like ok sure the tournament itself was "s tier" but the playoffs teams werent
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yeah i was mostly talking about the addition of spinx
but i feel like even the former tournament wins of vitality were flukey, like iem winter was a joke of a tournament and blast fall was when they still had nivera. all im saying is that this curret team has potential to win tournamets, the former roster was destined for an 8-3 finish
Name flag flair
ZywOo, apEX, bodyy, afro, JACKZ
easy major finals
jk probs wouldnt make it past RMR
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we live in a society that cant even handle facts anymore. its so sad.
neL is French and as such he has such an insane bias for French players, it's pretty normal for him to passively shit on any players that aren't French and believe that all French players deserve the best. this tweet is a good example considering he thinks apEX "deserves better" (even though he's the reason they lost multiple times and is being carried)
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also: "spinx is a good move" 4 months ago
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"i always knew this team would never work" yesterday
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"As much as I want Vitality to be a french team, Spinx would be the kind of logical move for them. Look what Zonic said on HLTV last month."
I mean, NeL is clear about what he wants. Why do you think those two are contradictory? He can be of the opinion that the team is never going to work out, but still think that Spinx is an upgade, that makes perfect sense.
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i hate neL, he ALWAYS tries to start problems, he succeeded with making people hate stewie, and he failed with sh1ro and axile and others
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said that the little Z in the bottom of their signatures is meant to represent russia 🤡
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No, I didn't say that. I basically said that "it was clumsy, because it could be interpreted as a russian support."
That's WAY different that what people like Thorin and others keep saying.
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if they were still full french they would have never won ESL
french roster got carried by zywoo , that is the reality , this roster is still being carried by zywoo and apex keeps gaining points from it
international is the key to success , you might find a replacment to dup but not for magisk and spinx and zonic
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its the furthest from that , ESL in a much more competetive era > a meme IEM winter
ap0x has not proved himself either , he will allways be saved by zywoo peak performances , with more fraggers moving to IGL and finally exposing the "IGL cant frag " idea ( navi , fnatic , big ...etc )
all they need is a certified aimer in place of apex and get rid of dupreeh for k0nfig
thats a super team
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You are applying your standards (or NaVi standards maybe) to Vita which evolves in a different situations
They are not as structured as NaVi for example.
Zonic is not doing the type of call b1ad3 is doing.
It think before changing igl biggest issue is dupreeh
He is experienced, has some good rotation positions but is not consistent and his input is too low
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he hates it cuz it has less french people
thats not even bait
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U keep saying there's talent but only 2 players french players were at major (zywoo+apex).
My point is:vitality french would have done better than this vitality yeah for sure but not enough to win trophies like cologne, major and katwice.
Since vita has alot money they can just buy every good player that can speak english, meanwhile if they stay french they would just buying player from a dying/dead region.
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Cuz he is right XDD
neL invents things for clicks like shiro sticker z, lost all respect i had for him
lol
I'm willing to agree that a national team will have more built in chemistry off the bat and will always have slightly less lag in communication.
But Vita wants to build super teams and you will never be able to build a French super team in this game again. In fact you can only really do that in Denmark. Maybe NA if buyouts weren't a thing. Depends on you definition of super.
Regardless international is the future. Vita fans should be happy they've embraced it.
If there is one single thing Richard Lewis has ever said right (literally the one thing), it’s that no one should take neL seriously as a journalist because he is nothing more than a twitter account. No name, no face, he can tweet whatever he wants without anyone associating him personally with it.
It’s not journalism or reporting, just twitter speculation from anonymous account.
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>If there is one single thing Richard Lewis has ever said right (literally the one thing)
lol and that's not even true. neL's name is public and you can see him everyday on the 1pv stream.
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You literally can see his face and hear his voice on 1pv podcast
+1 people already know his face since 2 years ago
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truth is that French CS is at its worst ever, perhaps sth to do with a lot of focus on LoL in France, but theres not currently good enough players to form T1 team unfortunately
Similar thing happened to Sweden
True that obviously all french vitality wouldn't have had nearly as much potential but kinda has a point that they were actually pretty good end of last year even with the french roster. Shox as well was still fine in vitality last year yet he was kicked.
With all the money they've put into this international roster the project is a failure unless they actually become #1 team
tbf previous version of vitality was muuuuch more promising than this (and they were playing with kyojin)
neL is a joke but he's not wrong here.
XTQZZZ seemed to agree too, Dupreeh is communicating in Danish since 2014, apEX in French since even longer, you can't expect it to work just because they CAN speak English.
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I would love to see more national teams but I can't think of case for french title contender team.
Zywoo
Apex
Amanek
would be a good start, but who would be the rest?
jackz seemed to be afraid to click mouse1 in g2
hadji looks good in t2 but unproven in t1
misutaaa looked alright last time we seen him, but he hasnt had t1 experience lately
maka/afro is an awper so it would be silly to have him when there is zywoo
bodyy was playing in t1 ages ago and he doesnt look better than hadji for example
keoz could be alright addition but i am unsure if he would be available to be poached
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i agree, staying full french could be benifitial short-term but will not work in the long run cos, as u pointed out, all these players are barely t1 material. hadji is good but not enough of course. in general, all european teams will end up international sooner or later, even astralis and heroic
what's funny about vitality is that they started their entire international project just to not improve at all. there are no real electronic's and b1t's in france to help zywoo win a major, so they went outside of france.. but only to find 2 old danes and spinx who was a good move but seems underwhelming in that team
kicking dupreeh or apex (magisk to igl) to get another real fragger could be their answer, hope they won't wait another half a year for it
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I cant see the tweets
am I blocked?
I have never even written anything on twitter
Vitality with kyojin and misutaaa made quarters in Stockholm, better results than both majors vita has played with the international lineups. They also won the IEM Winter 2021 which is one event like in 2022 so far. We dislike this vita project because it wasn't built well, every players and zonic had no international experience before. And we wanna cheer for a national team. I don't care when Vita lose in 2022. French scene can totally build a good team, BIG is from Germany, BNE is from Kosovo... we got ZywOo. They don't.
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Vitality main goal is winning multiple thropies such as Kato/cologne/major.And i dont see Vitality with any french player except Zywoo can did that.You should watch CS with no bias of your nationality because your scene is DEAD.Not even once french line up even qualify to this major and i dont see them qualify the next major.And you should never compare Vitality to BiG, or BNE because their goal were different.Reaching playoff for tier1 events are good enough for them thats so different from Vita.And Apex finally got exposed because his “zywoo gokill strat” didnt work this team.The only thing that can make this team success is to kick the last problem and that person is Apex.
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French scene is so bad lmao
Shox and Misutaa are unbelievably washed players.
His opinion are mostly dogshit but at least he doesnt have big ego like Dekay
Vitality choices end of last year
- full french line up with maybe less firepower but better comms/teamplay, change kyojin and maybe shox for hadji or something
- surround zywoo with good international players
Vita took third option: go international with 2 washed up players, one good anchor and a paycheck stealer who lets his friends win at the major
Spinx to OG
dupreeh and zonic to Astralis
Magisk to MOUZ (IGL)
ZywOo
apEX
kennyS
shox
NBK
no chance for ZywOo
I smell a rat here
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Vitality full french was waaaaayy better then this
Vitality team sucks unless Zywoo puts up a 1.5 rating.
There is no backup, spinx was ok but they need more
Old vitality would've qualified
neL is delusional
but if we are being honest
he is right in this case
gotta feel bad for spinx though losing to the team YOU left cant be a good feeling
I agree that they should have won Ence in BO3 and not doing so is disappointment. However, if french scene so good and you can find 3 other players outside of Zywoo and Apex, where are they? Maybe some kind of mix between Falcons and Heet might work, but I just don't see that going further than challengers stage without Zywoo going nuts, so what would change, exactly?
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He's right lol, international lineups are made to fail. Unless you put together a team made of native english speakers or with really strong english, it's going to fail. It's a game of milliseconds and the communication is so key. FaZe won a lot because they were made of the best with the best IGL. mouz won some events too because they all peaked with the best IGL. Dominant teams or consistantly dominant teams were all from the same country : NiP, VG, fnatic, EnVyUS, LDLC, Na'Vi, C9, VP, LG/SK, Liquid, Astralis...
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