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Brazil Crowd Truth
United States USA_1_Moon_Landing 
no bait this time, here's real truth on rio crowd 1. There would've been 0 controversy if ESL didn't cave to pressure and increase the arena size. Plenty of fans actually did show up for non-Brazilian teams, but the arena capacity was so large that the turnout looked kinda pathetic 2. The bad turnout from arena fans was also reflected in viewership statistics. Truthfully a lot of fans, Brazilian and in the rest of the world, don't care about Heroic and Outsiders. There almost certainly would've been a full arena for higher viewership teams like FaZe, NaVi, Vitality, Liquid. Those teams lost fair and square and that's how things are, but people don't tend to like watching random underdogs as much. 3. The only real criticism is that Brazil fans are a bit overly nationalistic and could benefit from being a little less biased. That being said, there were definitely fans there that only cared about Brazil and not CS, but it wasn't most or even the majority. 4. Brazil does have a little bit more of an issue with behaving inappropriately than other fans (spitting on navi players etc.) but this type of behavior does exist elsewhere and overall it didn't really impact the rio major all that much. That's the real truth. There's no problem with hosting events in Brazil, but ESL shouldn't have caved on the arena size. Better to have a smaller arena that's packed every time than a larger one filled with people who will leave as soon as BR isn't playing.
2022-11-14 15:19
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Just don't host a fanfest simultaneously and we good 😎👍
2022-11-14 15:21
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and make it like everywhere else english cast no br streamer so he doesnt overlook the cheating problem while talking to the crowd so the crowd dont think they are having a good behaviour
2022-11-14 17:14
2022-11-14 17:48
+11111 money tALKS
2022-11-14 19:52
They've done that every other time where it has been just fine? But yeah eSl BaD for something that the BR crowd literally decided to do themselves
2022-11-24 22:40
5 replies
There has not been a fanfest ever before
2022-11-24 22:41
4 replies
Wales doesn't exist as a country Oh would you look at that, I can also write random nonsense.
2022-11-24 22:42
3 replies
Please point me to majors where there were entire fanfests outside the arena that you could buy tickets for and have players sign your shirts
2022-11-25 18:23
2 replies
Ah right, that's another thing ESL have at playoffs at just about any big event.. player autographs sessions while games are ongoing. Another excuse by the BR crowd which seems to only affect them and nobody else. Glad you mentioned it.
2022-11-25 18:25
1 reply
You can't name a single one with a fanfest?
2022-11-25 18:27
Russia Drapery
they're wild bro
2022-11-14 15:23
Belgium Soldierce
Honestly the main problem is brazil isn't surrounded by other Cs involved countries. I mean the community in Belgium isn't that big either but we had people from the countries around who all came to support the team they loved. Also since there is no real Belgian team we supported different teams at the major in Antwerp.
2022-11-14 15:24
2 replies
you seem to forget that countries in Europe are (mostly) in Schengen area, are smaller and have better relationships with each other, Brasil's closest countries either have small populations, rivarly with Brasil, or are just poorer
2022-11-24 15:53
Denmark Rubix__
next major in India, pls volvo make it happen
2022-11-25 02:53
Finally a good thread about this topic. Agree with everything. Also, inside the arena ESL fucked up with blind spots and things like that. It might help to explain the empty seats with non brazilians teams, after all makes no sense to sit there not watching the game with other things to do outside
2022-11-14 15:27
Brazil Ties4
Not to mention that the arena had a lot of blindspot, causing many empty seats and people preferring to stand at the bottom
2022-11-14 15:29
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Brazil ac_Z
In Riocentro they put some lights to illuminate the crowd that was in the way and a lot to watch the big screen, I was very tired to look, some places was less bothersome. And when he stayed away from the drums (organized cheerleading) it was a quieter crowd that was either people who just went to watch even or parents accompanying their children.
2022-11-24 00:49
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Brazil ac_Z
I say for myself that on the first day (Challengers) scream and clap all the time, I was very sore hands and voiceless, so on the second day I saved my energies for the BR teams. I believe that this happened to a part of the public too, especially when the remaining teams were underdogs and that frankly still had a lot of fans considering that it was a final with little excitement and with peak viewers very low.
2022-11-24 00:53
it's a possibility they chose the wrong arena but not about the size itself, the bigscreens and maybe the stage were very poorly planned, the arena had some corners with no visibility + others blind spots
2022-11-14 15:31
2022-11-14 15:32
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Brazil Ties4
flag checks out
2022-11-14 17:01
23 replies
Language + Flag + Geo Check
2022-11-14 18:01
22 replies
Brazil Ties4
Dude, youre literally indian. I dont even need to argue
2022-11-14 19:02
21 replies
Dude, You don't even have your own language and history. I don't even need to argue.
2022-11-14 21:26
2 replies
omg nice to see some curry guys around here
2022-11-24 03:31
Neither do you, Mr British Raj cow worshipper
2022-11-24 04:18
Coming from a Brazilian LOL Indian >> Brazilian
2022-11-24 00:37
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2022-11-24 04:13
Australia Nexillum
Indians have shitty deomestic policy but but besides that at least they produced successful and impacted doctors and engineers. And what about BR? Hooligans?
2022-11-24 04:33
6 replies
Brazil invented the air plane…
2022-11-24 04:37
4 replies
Australia Nexillum
always talking about history like WC 2002
2022-11-24 04:46
3 replies
Hooliganism was invented in britain. Usually hooligans are associated with crimes. Criminals when they are caught go to prision. Prisoners colonized Australia. Hooligans = Australian’s
2022-11-24 05:06
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Australia Nexillum
my guy loves esports but lives in the past spitting googled facts and match them miserably
2022-11-24 05:36
1 reply
Nt hooligan, my mother told me to stay away from you
2022-11-24 05:39
Brazil Ties4
created the radio, created the biggest brewery in the world, created the airplane, we reinvented the meta of footboll and csgo, created the artificial heart, the walkman, etc youre comparing the goat vs those who poop in the streets
2022-11-24 14:44
You are the reason why s1mple got spited
2022-11-24 04:33
8 replies
You can't even speak or type basic English.
2022-11-24 14:38
7 replies
Brazil Ties4
better than any indian at least
2022-11-24 14:43
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Indians speak good English, That's why they do so good in the west. Good engineers and smart people can't say the same for people from BR Edit- This is the unbiased opinion of someone who is not Indian.
2022-11-24 15:00
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Brazil Ties4
nah youre prob indian falseflagging, your flair says everything
2022-11-24 15:45
2 replies
He is 100% from India. The way he is structuring his phrases gave it away.
2022-11-24 16:41
1 reply
XDD There are many people in here who know who I am but feel free to assume im Indian.
2022-11-24 16:54
And btw, you should be using the word “well” instead of “good” on that context my dumb cow prayer friend
2022-11-24 16:36
Wow I misspelled a word grammar n@zi, what a disgrace… I should be ashamed of my self
2022-11-24 16:37
Brazil StriderOFF
One "problem" is that CS has becoming really popular in the last years. If was not so hype, only hardcore fans would show up. But the tickets were sold pretty fast, lots of people couldn't buy, I think many casual fans bought just for the hype.
2022-11-14 15:36
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Yeah but I guess this is good overall, it shows that the scene is growing even now and socially accepted more. Yeah hardcore nerd crowd is cool because the communication and vibe is more fitting and less awkward but still.
2022-11-24 03:36
actually br fans care about heroic and oustiders, idk what happened in this final cadian is largely respected by br community jame is our good villain
2022-11-14 15:43
Brazil Steger
The fact that the games were during working hours and the final was on the day of the annual exam to enter a college may have also affected the number of people in the crowd. I saw a lot of people trying to sell their tickets because they couldn't make it on the day.
2022-11-14 16:09
the fanfest should never happened during games it doesnt make sense
2022-11-14 16:11
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2022-11-14 17:14
The fanfest happened as an economic way to go to Major. Besides it, the fanfest should be located in a different place or even State, like Sao Paulo.
2022-11-14 17:27
thats a good and reasonable take on the rio major. I like it
2022-11-14 16:11
Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
Brazil should have one big event in year for sure in smaller Arena without outside arena presence, but for Major I hope not soon again.
2022-11-14 16:29
+1. And I must say that organizing a fan fest at the same time is a bad idea! ESL needs to learn from this mistake.
2022-11-14 16:35
The only thing i have to say here is-every match was sold out and the fans were just outside. Why did ESL have to make this possible and why can those fans not just be inside and make this actually better than Antwerp
2022-11-14 16:45
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Brazil Yung_Leann
The arena could be filled every game and the community would find Rio worse than every other major just due to the fact that all fan favorites were eliminated, so it would never be better than Antwerp where FaZe vs Na'vi played the finals.
2022-11-14 18:58
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Nah, there have been worse majors even with this, but the exitement build up for the major and all we get was that
2022-11-24 22:37
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Why the F are you replying to my comment 10 days later?
2022-11-24 22:43
Why does that impact your enjoyment of the game?
2022-11-24 16:16
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Because the crowd was the only thing that was interesting when the rest of the good teams wasn't there, and the hole exitement was just gone for this. They picked brazil for a reason and Brazil/ESL disappointed
2022-11-24 22:36
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Hmm, but everyone said that the crowd should have just been appreciating good counterstrike but it sounds like everyone at home struggled with that too? I mean, if you ask me there were still good teams left at the end, they just aren't popular
2022-11-24 23:25
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They should but as we Can see Those guys don’t
2022-11-26 18:53
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But you didn't enjoy it either, so why should they?
2022-11-26 19:35
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I’ll just say it’s insane they don’ t find it interesting then
2022-11-26 23:44
Best take so far on the website regarding the major. Actually has some nuance and isn't Brazil good or brazil bad. Yes there was some stuff left to be desired from this major, but no this was not the absolute worst major in history.
2022-11-14 16:45
burger moment
2022-11-14 17:18
Brazilian Perspective: I understand all of your comments, but specifically about overly nationalistic, some of the things in Brazil are overestimated as a way to try to achieve a status we don't have. Of course, we are good in many things - but our country isn't that good in many perspectives about things like politics, education, and other basic stuff, so they pressure and overestimate things like CSGO and especially Brazilians. The journey to glory, like we had with SK/LG, isn't easy and depends on this, differently from Europe and NA Teams for example.
2022-11-14 17:18
+1 I've watched all the finals (and most if not all the games of the tournaments) of tier 1 tournaments since 2020 even if my fav team was eliminated, cuz I like watching cs. This final wasn't anything special if you weren't a fan of those teams. And it's quite sad that more than half of the community didn't care about it but I understand why
2022-11-14 17:23
good and reasonable take +respect
2022-11-14 17:23
2022-11-14 17:44
I agree with you, my friend
2022-11-14 17:53
it's so obvious that csgo is a dead game. Rio major was hyped af and the same thing will happen with BLAST Paris. When people see Blast Paris with a crowd more silent and empty than Rio major, all these trolls will keep silent and realize how dead is this game. The problem wasn't Brazil, the problem won't Paris, the problem is volvo
2022-11-14 17:55
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Scotland 4ngu5
furia vs navi reached around 1m viewers with only ESL and gaules streams lmao "dead game"
2022-11-14 18:14
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dead game = huge drop of viewers/players. thinking about investment/sponsorship, there is nothing worth a penny at this dead game
2022-11-14 22:46
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Scotland 4ngu5
advertisers want eyes on their advert. lots of views means lots of opportunity for brands = spending money on ads. why do you think something like the superbowl ads cost 5M+ for 30s?
2022-11-24 00:34
Didn't look dead to me...
2022-11-24 16:15
The 1 hour delay also didn't help keep the viewers watching i'm sure, my friend was 1 1/2 hours late to start watching and he still got to watch half of first map
2022-11-14 18:16
the blind spots in the arena fucked my neck, i dont think ill be sitting straight for the next week
2022-11-14 19:00
interesting read
2022-11-14 19:45
4 - It was few people that spat at the players, and be sure of this, there's no Brazilian that enjoy and approve it, in or outside de Arena, we think it's unpolite and miseducation.
2022-11-14 19:58
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Brazil me_donk
2022-11-24 00:47
I think you're right, apart from some fans who crossed the line and esl has to punish them, most of the problems were due to the bad structure and administration that esl was willing to do, not having soundproof booths in an arena round was a bad idea, and we didn't start watching cs today, maybe some don't remember because of the pandemic but we all know that crowd cheating has always existed.
2022-11-14 22:02
United States Topher
From what I heard the second floor was packed every match because the seats were better but the cameras couldn’t get a good view of it since it was dark
2022-11-24 02:15
Brazil leivasss
when is the next book coming out?
2022-11-24 02:27
my take is - no gaules, get BiDa or just do English casting ffs they can understand whats going on - no fanfest with match streams happening at the same time as the event - and I agree about the bias thing, it's a culture thing that I think has to change but it's reflected on every sport (UFC event ads in brazilian TV, for instance, only talk about the brazilian fighters even if they suck and theres a much better fight happening)
2022-11-24 02:43
1. Fans wanted more tickets because of ESL ticket website crashed and the "sold out" warning wasn't really sold out, a lot of people did the check up and didn't bought the ticket + a lot of bots for scalpers ruined everything. If the website was better, no one would pressure ESL for a bigger arena. 2/3. Right, but as I said here before, there's a huge cultural difference between how Brazilians treat CSGO, they don't see it as a video game competition like EU/NAfrogs, they see it as an real sport. You don't see a Tottenham fan going to an Arsenal x Chelsea game and the Tottenham fans are not "less fans of soccer", and that's how most Brazilians see it. 4. You can't condemn the whole country for an isolated case, we don't even know if it was a Brazilian player since there was a lot argentines there too. I will go to next Brazilian major which will prob happen in 2024 and I will get a huge poster exposing a certain mod here, everyone will see it.
2022-11-24 03:14
3 replies
hopefully it doesn't happen there again
2022-11-24 14:47
2 replies
You didn't read anything he said did you?
2022-11-24 16:12
ESL even before the Major ending, confirmed a new IEM in Brazil in 2023. The major will happen before 2025.
2022-11-24 17:53
there was many blindspots on arena. Also, in brazil money, its very expensive to travel trough brazil. Most of times its the same amount of money to travel on brazil or travel to EU/NA. So, most of us was never been in rio before, which made more attractive to tourist the town than watch some mouz x fnatic. We had NATIONAL EXAM aswell on sunday (final). But i can agree a little with you guys, could be better if there wasn't a fanfest. Actually, they could have fanfest but they should keep gaules at arena, not on fanfest. People paid more on arena tickets than fanfest, they had to have some advantage and they didn't. There was no beer, there was no gaules, it was hard to stay on arena at first days.
2022-11-24 04:39
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2022-11-24 14:48
i thought the Rio crowd was pretty awesome for the most part. i think event/arena/rule problems ruined it the most
2022-11-24 05:44
Finland teukkjs
Elisa crowd was better :)
2022-11-24 05:45
Brazil gunFIT
2022-11-24 14:40
Denmark kns377
finally someone who understands
2022-11-24 14:45
Brazil shit
2022-11-24 14:46
2022-11-24 15:50
Gosh, you know you posted this on hltv right? You're supposed to be spreading hate based on no evidence
2022-11-24 16:09
The main problem is that they didn’t show up for the event. Full stop. There were more people at the semi-final than the final
2022-11-24 17:56
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Why the fuck do u guys keep lying, the arena was packed in the finals Now let this thread from 10 days ago die pls.
2022-11-24 22:49
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People standing up =/= filled arena
2022-11-25 02:40
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Czech Republic 3PO
It's always easy to tell who are filled with white guilt like OP because they will always play into Brazil victim complex.
2022-11-24 22:47
2 replies
Lol why do you talk in American racial politics if you're European
2022-11-25 02:51
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JDC | 
Czech Republic 3PO
Because it is hilarious
2022-11-25 02:52
real GOAT thread
2022-11-25 02:45
2022-11-25 02:47
Nice view about the event My view as someone that went to the event: - 2 and 3 = TRUE Some of my friends bought tickets to Sunday and decided to do something else bcs they were sad that Furia lost and Heroic/Outsiders are not hyped teams - 1 = HALF TRUE The event was sold out? Yes, but it's weird. I only bought my tickets to the champions stage on thursday bcs ESL sold some extras tickets. And the seats close to the player were always empty. On the other hand, the upper seats were full. It doesn't make sense, as it was sold out. I don't know why it happened, but ESL has to figure it out
2022-11-26 19:48
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