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The bestest and greatest North American to have ever touched in CSGO?
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still not even top 20 of all time
stew #1 because he has the most famous clip by far of any NA player.
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Shows that's not even close to as well known as stewbox.
iykyk
Stewie said sit the fuck down?
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mad elige and stewie fans incoming
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All time skill Elige
All time achievement Twistzz
On the same team Elige was better too.
In 2022 Elige has better stats as well even though the team didn’t win as much and he is entrying.
Sorry I had to speak facts. HLTV is a stats site
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Better stats don't man shit if your team can't win..
on the same team elige had better roles too.
skill wise it's pretty close. imo raw aim - twistzz>elige
but spray control elige>twistzz
i'd pick twistzz over elige tho coz he can also be 2ndary awper
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Imagine thinking anyone but karrigan is the backbone of faze.
"In 2022 Elige has better stats as well even though the team didn’t win as much and he is entrying."
"Sorry I had to speak facts. HLTV is a stats site"
As the resident NA Number's Guy, it is my duty to point out inaccuracies whenever I come across them. This is coming from an entirely unbiased perspective, and I will only point out the real and true facts at hand.
Team Liquid T-Side Opening Kill Statistics at ESL Pro League Season 16 (25 maps played):
YEKINDAR:
42.7% of team's attempts with a 42.5% success rate (1.16 rating)
nitr0:
19.0% of team's attempts with 26.2% success rate (0.68 rating)
EliGE:
18.4% of team's attempts with 33.3% success rate (0.77 rating)
oSee:
10.2% of team's attempts with 51.4% success rate (0.85 rating)
NAF:
9.6% of team's attempts with 57.6% success rate (0.88 rating)
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
In comparison, Twistzz had 19.4% of his team's attempts with a 39.0% success rate (0.85 rating)
-- NA Number's Guy
stewie2k > tw0stzz any day
Also NA > EU, obvious cuz twistzz is carrying the fuck out of faze all the time.
CIS and NA are the only good regions rest t2
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hahahah ikr
how can you possibly type that with a straight face. twistzz has every achievement bot2k has + more. also way better stats. bot2k could barely perform above nitr0 on liquid
tw0stzz? are u forgetting what happened this year or what
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bro just quoted thorin LUL
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elige 0 majors /closed
idk if im retarded but to me it looks like twistzz has better stats an elige on majors
Thing about Thorin is... He will use the same argument inversely to defend a player he likes. 'Its not about the stats and about the trophy's' but always remember pick up any Sports or eSports GOATs are players with wins, stats and Trophies.
Roger Federer, Raphael Nadal, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Ronaldo, Messi.
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twistzz absolutely was in this convo before faze. was always between naf elige and twistzz
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yet both naf and elige were always above him in liquid performence wise in numbers and in hltv ranking as well
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they all have their own strengths, 3 very different players
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thats true. im not saying that twistzz is bad or anything like that. he is imo the most mechanicaly skilled na player BUT in term of actual performance on the server overall he definitely wasnt in that discussion...
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he was in that discussion, it wasn't that long ago. tons of people in the CS community included twistzz in the best NA player discussion with naf and elige
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ofc that his fan did...they also claimed that he deserved top10 in 2018 and even top5 in 2019 which was ridiculous.
he is in that discussion nowadays, no doubt about that but he definitely wasnt up there with elige and naf in liquid. those 2 were just above him.
facts over feelings...
shroud owns him
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adderall enjoyer?
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shroud 10000000 reddit clips. Twistzz how many?
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CLIPS dont represent how good you are as a player hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?match..
this your clip master on majors and on big events
hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?match..
Who?
Obviously
Skadoodle
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shroud
rofl
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one of the best aimers in CS history, do you disagree?
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ofc not, his aim is insane but he wasnt nearly as good as he couldve been when you consider how good he was in terms of mechanics.
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true, I truly think if he played a couple more years he would've been a far more impressive player. his pro career wasn't very long
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RUSH was 1 of the 2.
Very very consistent player, won a major. But on optic he didnt do that well unfourtnately. and post c9 he didnt do much. I place RUSH 10th on my top10 list though.
Where I give the edge to shroud is just the raw technical aim he had, he also transistioned into the support role very well.
if you want to place rush above shroud I wouldnt really argue that hard
stewies the most overrated NA player of all time. not even top 10 NA player
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I only listed 9, some I left out
RUSH, freak, n0thing, seangares, daps, steel, swag, jdm, nitr0
but stewie has achivements, was great when he first entered the scene under c9 than switched to entry for liquid so his ratings went down.
Major winner + Grand slam + top3 NA players in 2017-2018
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stewie being dogshit during his entire tenure in liquid had nothing to do with his role. he simply couldn't keep up with the meta and has a massive ego
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lmao what? he wasnt even that bad
imgur.com/a/h49AVBf
hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?sta..
hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?sta..
Considering he was an entry+Anchor these are far from bad stats.
his "massive ego" wasnt even a problem until EG
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'lmao what? he wasnt even that bad'
proceeds to link his dogshit stats.
guys a total bot and cost liquid like 3 grand finals single handedly. his massive ego was on full display on liquid. why do you think none of the liquid players talk to him after years of playing on the same team
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you're cherry picking stats, his stats on liquid were terrible and if you watched them play which you clearly didn't he was absolutely clueless and had the aim of a T2 player
sneaky edit: 1.03 is awful for a non IGL.
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I did watch them play, im quoting stats because its hard to argue about specifc games from 3+ years ago.
Guy has been hated 24/7 since he entered the scene. In liquid he was fine, he wasnt great wasnt amazing but he didnt need to be. Elige, Twistzz, NAF were the superstar core. His job wasnt to get crazy multi-kills. He was great for his role. Go in try and get 1 then die, or on CT sit there get 1 or 2 then die.
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he's hated for a reason, cocky player who couldn't back it up in the server. whiny little bitch on twitter, reports from former teammates/staff that he's a toxic difficult player to work with, exposed with mid round toxicity towards IGL (fallen) in blast replay. guy is not respected by true fans of CS or pros it seems like
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What achievements? Shroud done nothing but embarrass his teammate's.
OJ was a great athlete. Shroud was not a great player. Bad comparison.
Shroud isn't even top 50 NA player.
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carrying faze as per usual
Yes he is!
Let‘s goooo Twistzz!
Yes 100% , and I also think EliGE can unleash his beast if he plays with a great EU team like Twistzz
mechanicly he is the best player in the world i think, his movement and aim is sick
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his skill ceiling is insane. one of the best in terms of mechanics. only player i would put above him is niko.
i played with him a few times on exec servers, hes unplayable
All time skill is Elige and then NAF
All time achievement is Stewie2k because he does it on all NA teams and then Twistzz
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twistzz has everything bot2k has and more. major win, grand slam + more tournament wins than bot2k. also we all know bot2k is one of the most overrated players in CS history
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Nikos dogshit brother. When are people gonna realize that
NAF is brutally overrated
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You are brutally delusional. NAF was literally labelled by HLTV write up as the most consistent player in T1. Maybe you’re coping because he always shits on danish teams?
img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/UDWOZ0hP..
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Don't know in what world degster isn't t1, but besides the fact, that really doesn't make a difference. NAF is slightly more consistant, yes, but Twistzz consistancy is far better than NAFs. Simply because Xyp9x is consistant doesn't make him better than the like of a more inconsistant counterpart.
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I was not putting down Twistzz I was calling out this Dane for calling NAF overrated because he’s always shitting on Danes.
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I don't care about his mickey mouse "inconsistency rating" he doesn't have a very high ceiling, he is an above-average player but people hype him up like he is the next coming of Jesus. He's not even the best player on his team, he is actually far from it.
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People don’t hype him up like he’s the second coming of Jesus. He is a reliable site anchor who pulls out clutches more than your ‘clutch minister’. He is a fan favorite because of his calm demeanor and embracing of the sloth meme. You’re mistaking popularity and likability with perceived rating
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EliGE's ceiling is higher but twistzz is more consistent.
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He went ham on a major and never was relevant again tho
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Faze would dominate of they get rid of karrgan
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One of the best riflers in the game right now by far.
most talented and most decorated so yes
twistzz much better and made better decision for himself, elige will forever be on that choke environment
7 years, 7 months on the same team ffs youre not s1mple my man, gotta change airs
elige says hi
Tbh, elige twistzz stew naf are the indisputable top 4. And TL could've gotten karrigan to be their leader for 2019, which might’ve made them the best team of all time, considering all 4 of those players were playing amazing in the first half of 2019. You'd think surely karrigan does a better job than nitro as their leader, even if they lose nitro's A overpass awp.
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