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Russia snbac 
Why are you all constantly crying about big corporations being evil and using it as excuse against capitalism when there isn’t a single country in the world with ACTUAL capitalism Pretty much all economies are mixed and a 100% free market is just as much of a utopia as communism
2022-11-24 22:11
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communism isnt good either though. alot of the principles of capitalism do not work well
2022-11-24 22:13
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Goes both ways and you can argue both for being the worst possible scenario depending on your background Like it’s not a coincidence that in general poor ppl stick to the ideas of social/communist states while the rich guys are die hard “capitalists” but if both of them are bs it’s all pointless anyway
2022-11-24 22:15
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yeah no shit. people pick the philosophies that benefit themselves the most. the thing is there are alot less people who benefit from capitalism than those who suffer from it
2022-11-24 22:17
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Or you mix them to social capitalism like smart nordic countries and you have good living standards for all. Free market and hard working people who generate wealth and innovation to the country and high taxes to cover up for those with less. ez win. Rest world so stupid.
2022-11-24 22:57
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Yup every country can operate like a small country with only 5 million people! 👍
2022-11-24 23:04
yeah thats the best way of doing it. though the uproar if they tried to bring in those taxes to like USA would be crazy.
2022-11-24 23:05
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United Kingdom BigTimeCEO
you realise that Sweden and other nordic countries relies on the exploitation of less developed countries around the world?
2022-11-24 23:05
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+1
2022-11-24 23:53
+1
2022-11-25 04:24
shhhhh.... My fellow naive countryidiots might hear you and have moral breakdown. They not realize we are District fuck the rest.
2022-11-25 06:19
#238
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Switzerland nierg
The whole west relies on this. Some do it better than others
2022-11-25 07:20
this post is giving me headace lol
2022-11-24 22:55
2 replies
+1
2022-11-25 00:14
Yeah I've got an issue or writing sentences and then changing parts of it, which results in it losing cohesiveness
2022-11-25 04:25
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Europe potatomato
Im broke because of capitalism
2022-11-24 22:14
22 replies
If that helps you sleep sure but you can’t make something nonexistent an excuse for how you live
2022-11-24 22:15
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#18
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Europe potatomato
If we had communism i wouldnt be broke
2022-11-24 22:21
19 replies
sure buddy , look at the ex-communist countries
2022-11-24 22:25
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#27
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Europe potatomato
Destroyed by capitalism
2022-11-24 22:26
7 replies
keep dreaming
2022-11-24 22:30
by destroyed you mean wealthier than ever?
2022-11-24 22:37
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"wealthier" yeah the bankers and the elite are wealthier lmfao
2022-11-24 22:58
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As is the middle class
2022-11-25 10:26
you can't be serious lol
2022-11-24 22:39
0/8
2022-11-24 23:05
Expect there's never been a true communist country mate, Communism is defined as a society that is classless, stateless and moneyless. This has never existed for two reasons, one authoritarian dictators and the CIA/USA What we've seen is Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism which are forms of socialism defined by an authoritarian dictatorship and benefit for the state = benefit for the individual. There were also a couple of Communist leaders in south and central America but they were either assassinated by the CIA or overthrown and killed in a military coup funded and started by the CIA. The most promising was in Chile, a Marxist (communist) leader was elected there in 1970 in a fair election with policies that were working until in 1973/4 the CIA funded a military coup and left the country in ruins.
2022-11-24 23:12
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Ofc there's never been... Because it's a utopia kiddo
2022-11-24 23:17
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Bruh, most ideologies aim for a utopian society, one of the main ones being liberalism/idealism(early liberalism) and liberalism dictates western politics massively. Utopia doesn't mean impossible and like I mentioned if you read my comment, if it wasn't for the CIA in the 1950/60/70/80s there would be/would've been true communist societies in south/central America 100%. The main problem with aiming for a utopian society was pointed out by an early conservativist in 1790, he reflected on the French Revolution and is famous for stating "Perfect is the enemy of the good" or simply it backfires later coined as 'negative freedom' this is what we saw in Russia, China, and The Arab Spring recently.
2022-11-24 23:34
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First you start creating an "ideal society", then you suddenly run out of toilet paper lol
2022-11-24 23:52
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Then you get assassinated by the CIA would be more historically accurate lol
2022-11-24 23:53
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More historically correct would be all those romantic hurr-durrs like zinoviev, kamenev, bukharin etc. put to sleep by kind uncle stalin
2022-11-24 23:55
+1 most peoples think communism is bad because they think about the old communist past but real communism never existed yet. Capitalism is good for building wealth to countries but is ethically destructive ( mass animal farming, gambling cannot be prohibited because of capital it brings for sports etc )
2022-11-25 04:24
#38
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Brazil _Awper
You would be buddy with the gov leaders?
2022-11-24 22:39
Yep. You wouldnt be broke. Everyone would be as shitly off as you.
2022-11-24 22:41
U also wouldnt have anything to spend ur money on
2022-11-24 23:37
Just means youre inferior, too bad buddy
2022-11-24 22:57
fuck the economy it's rigged anyway youtube.com/watch?v=mQUhJTxK5mA
2022-11-24 22:14
Don't shit on socialism then
2022-11-24 22:15
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Not a word of shitting on socialism in this thread
2022-11-24 22:16
Seems to me that capitalism does a poor job protecting against greed but a good job protecting against corruption whereas socialist systems have the opposite issue. I'll take capitalism. Every time. Like people always talk about how communism has never been tried but it actually has many times. Corruption always sinks it and to this day countries with a recent history still struggle with corrupt governments. I always laugh when the blue haired folks want to put all their faith in some government officials.
2022-11-24 22:18
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I don’t think people who know a tiny bit about the world actually argue that it hasn’t been tried, only that it was never achieved due to X Y Z but usually they point out capitalism oppression as a reason instead of what you said lol But yeah true from an individuals perspective capitalism seems to be a much preferred ideology unless you come from a poverty background and want your revenge by taking money from those who were able to make it
2022-11-24 22:21
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Canada Virauve
Capitalism does a poor job of protecting from corruption as well. Capitalism is a system that if left on its own, would destroy itself. The ultimate goal of capitalism is a monopoly. Once that’s achieved every benefit for society as a whole disappears. There’s a reason there isn’t a pure capitalist country and first world countries have laws to protect from monopolies.
2022-11-24 22:57
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Monopoly as a hole is against liberalism, the true theory said there could be no barriers to prevent the smaller business, but we know what happens xd
2022-11-25 00:50
Idk about that, whole lobby industry in USA is basically corruption. We somehow accept lobbying which imo is weird.
2022-11-24 22:58
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It's not though really. I see why people would think it is though.
2022-11-25 02:39
HAHAHAHA CAPITALISM DOES A GOOD JOB OF STOPPING CORRUPTION????????
2022-11-24 23:07
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+1 this guy bruh aaxaxaxa
2022-11-25 00:06
+1 more like capitalism promotes corruption lmfao
2022-11-25 00:33
Yes of course. Most western countries have very little government corruption when you get down to it. I don't know what these two idiots above me are laughing about. The data is very easy to find.
2022-11-25 02:40
#122 #223 Also capitalism promote corruption, so many cases to prove it. Capitalism is the worst system ethically and for equality of rights but at the same time I think the best system to produce wealth
2022-11-25 04:27
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Again capitalist countries are SIGNIFICANTLY less corrupt then socialist and communist states. Including states like Russia and Ukraine that used to be socialist. It literally follows you even when you quit. This data is readily available. *Also I'm talking about government corruption to be clear. This is why I said capitalism is not very good at protecting against greed. transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 <proof
2022-11-25 07:10
Why are you all constantly crying about communist parties being evil and using it as excuse against communism when there isn’t a single country in the world with ACTUAL communism Pretty much all economies are mixed and a 100% communist economy is just as much of a utopia as a free market
2022-11-24 22:16
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Makes you think If dozens of countries tried communism and all of them failed maybe it has something to do with the ideology being bs
2022-11-24 23:06
1 reply
+1
2022-11-25 10:33
#10
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Germany ChRiZOwow
The smartest guy in the room is not smarter than the collected intelligence of everyone else in the room. Markets are always smarter than government planners. In the free market, millions of individual decisions are made, which result in a more optimum outcome than the smartest guy in the country planning for everyone. This is why socialist countries tend to be economic basket cases. The more the state controls decisions through top down autocracy, the worse the outcomes. A better outcome may or may not be considered morally superior, but it is superior. Capitalism is the better system.
2022-11-24 22:16
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Absolutely free market leads to monopoly, which is bad for everyone
2022-11-24 22:18
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Except the people running the Monopoly
2022-11-24 23:00
#83
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Canada Virauve
If capitalism is so great, why does it routinely need socialism to bail it out?
2022-11-24 23:04
7 replies
You mean does or?
2022-11-24 22:59
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#93
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Canada Virauve
I did, I will edit it now. Thanks for the correction.
2022-11-24 23:04
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Youre welcome
2022-11-24 23:06
Socialism =/= welfare
2022-11-24 23:07
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#129
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Canada Virauve
Welfare is a dirty word in capitaism, yet it still relies on it.
2022-11-24 23:14
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And it still isn't socialism
2022-11-24 23:15
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#138
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Canada Virauve
Bailouts aren’t welfare either.
2022-11-24 23:18
I think The smartest in the room is infact smarter than the rest and will rise to the top
2022-11-24 22:59
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This specific guy can be smarter than others on some subject but it's likely impossible for this individual to be smarter than everyone on every subject and consider everything going on outside of his bubble, the reason why dictatorship is washed
2022-11-25 04:32
Capitalism is promoting gambling on a massive scale destroying million of peoples lives yes best decision ever thanks to capitalism's god for saving us
2022-11-25 04:29
Ayo, you need to hear some Kanye West recent interviews, he explains a lot why the current state of our captalistic system is fucked up.
2022-11-24 22:17
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Can kinda see it with bare eyes without listening to anyone
2022-11-24 22:22
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Yep, but it's more to give an good example of what happens to people who try to expose the truth.
2022-11-24 22:23
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I would say that’s more about ppl who want to control the power in the world rather than capitalism issue
2022-11-24 22:26
1 reply
dont say (((their))) names...
2022-11-24 22:50
well, employees are basically slaves in capitalism sooo
2022-11-24 22:17
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Absolutely not Your skills as an employee would be a subject of supply and demand just as much as the products, if you are a cashier versus a data scientist obviously you will have different expectations and a skilled specialist with lots of experience and rare skills won’t be a slave compared to a guy who could be replaced every monday
2022-11-24 22:24
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but imagine getting retinal disinsertion as data scientist if you wont be able to work anymore its tough without big savings especially in consumer society
2022-11-24 22:28
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Bruh if u get retinal disinsertion it doesn’t really matter what’s ur job with very few exceptions
2022-11-24 22:34
If youre not able to work youre fucked ofc yes
2022-11-24 23:01
#90
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Canada Virauve
If you remove the guy who can be replaced every Monday, the skilled guy has no purpose. If you remove the skilled guy, the guy who can be replaced every Monday still has a purpose. Front line workers are 100% the most important cog in capitalism. Yet people like you devalue them, why?
2022-11-24 23:01
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The point is not removing but replacing, and how easy it is to replace someone
2022-11-24 23:13
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#134
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Canada Virauve
It’s easy to replace anyone these days. My point still stands.
2022-11-24 23:16
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How does it stand lol? The whole idea of them being so easy to replace is how much value they bring in, a skilled surgeon is 10x as important as the assisting nurses, and while it’s true that WITHOUT one the other is useless but as I said you don’t remove them just replace. And a surgeon is obviously harder to replace than a nurse Same applies to pretty much any field
2022-11-24 23:27
Are you trying to say the cashier at the 7-11 is as important as a Data Scientist?
2022-11-25 04:59
They are to some extent, their employer is literally taking away earnings from the employee's work so they're paid less than their work is actually earning. It wouldn't be considered slavery if the employees would be consenting and not giving a single penny to someone else called employer
2022-11-25 04:39
More capitalism would be more chaos quite simply.
2022-11-24 22:17
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Couldn’t be further from the truth. Each individual decision might appear random but when you look at the big picture human behaviour creates patterns pretty much 100% of the time
2022-11-24 22:25
9 replies
Nonsensical response. No point in arguing with you, if that's truly your point of departure.
2022-11-24 22:45
8 replies
Nonsensical response that has countless examples and research in economics, alright
2022-11-24 22:53
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Show me any evidence that a policy of non-regulation increases the living standard of society with an modern class-composition as we see today. You'll see that there is no utopia with capitalism.
2022-11-24 23:00
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For starters I recommend you looking into nudge and prospect theories, once you are done with those you can read some of Dan Ariely’s works
2022-11-24 23:01
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That's not evidence that non-regulation creates utopia. Theories, models and ideas is nothing of the sort.
2022-11-24 23:06
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Not my fault that u edited ur question while I was typing it
2022-11-24 23:07
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No problem, I just felt my inquiry was counter-productive and edited it accordingly.
2022-11-24 23:14
Nice edit, what exac Does it have to do with what u said earlier? People’s behavior is not chaos when there are quite well defined values and needs for every person, only difference is the prioritisation of said needs When applied to a large population you don’t see any chaos, on the contrary there are many trends and patterns being formed
2022-11-24 23:03
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I meant chaos in the sense of 'destabilization of society', so I suppose your answer is fair regarding structure. I'm attacking your point of 'utopia'. The optimums within a non-regulated market serves no interests but the capitalist stakeholders. Yes, you could argue it's a 'utopia for capitalists', but that is not a utopia for the state or its inhabitants, unless they make up 100% of its composition. Chaos, in sense of destabilization, ensues in these optimums. Thinking all can prosper under the idea of capitalism is very naive.
2022-11-24 23:13
who tf is unironically a communist
2022-11-24 22:19
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18-24 year old kids who think everything is racist.
2022-11-24 22:22
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aka american teens
2022-11-24 22:26
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Yes but I'm 99% certain these people exist on European campuses as well. Luckily most people grow out of it. Figure out their Dad was actually right about everything. You know how it goes.
2022-11-24 22:27
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Probably but american teens is what the entire world sees, here i see mostly people of incredible priviledge sing the lib bullshit, they ofc dont see themselves as priviledged despite literally getting a house and car for free
2022-11-24 23:03
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Yeah I think this is the great irony of these people. They typically have more privilege then like 99% of society.
2022-11-25 02:41
+1
2022-11-24 22:42
As an 18-24 year old who thinks that most of the world is racist I can inform you that we are not communists. Me and most of my friends are in favour of market-oriented social democracy, not communism.
2022-11-25 08:05
Step 1: watch a tiktok where some guy flames capitalists by using random buzzwords and appealing to emotions of people who struggle in the current economy Step 2: google a simplified version of capital by Karl Marx and pretend you understand economics after reading an outdated work Step 3: congrats, you are a communist now P.S bonus points if you have no job or work as an easily replaceable labour
2022-11-24 22:29
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+111111111 new fav user
2022-11-24 22:46
Lmao true
2022-11-25 05:00
Capitalism haters, why are you all constantly crying about big corporations but are not concerned with the government being the single biggest corporation with much greater power?
2022-11-24 22:33
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Common Dimitrii W
2022-11-24 22:38
I'm not a capitalist hater, on the contrary I'm more of a libertarian but comparing a corporation to a government is stupid af. Governments' ultimate goal isn't earning as much money as they can
2022-11-24 22:43
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Clearly doesn’t apply for all governments huh
2022-11-24 22:50
Yeah, corporations earn money, and governments waste money.
2022-11-24 23:02
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You would be surprised how inefficient many corporations are
2022-11-24 23:09
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And where does it take us?
2022-11-24 23:12
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that your arguments arent valid.
2022-11-24 23:25
delusional private banks and corporations run this world, governments are just their pawns
2022-11-25 00:09
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I wonder which private corporation made Putin do what he did.
2022-11-25 00:12
Governments are far more accountable to the people and the average person can have a meaningful impact on their decision-making. A corporation is accountable either to its shareholders or private owner and these people are often very different than the average person.
2022-11-25 08:09
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The extent to which governments are accountable to the people is questionable while corporations not having even a fraction of the government's power is just a fact.
2022-11-25 10:34
While not free there is lots of nations where capitalism is allowed way more freedom that is good for society as a whole. Russia is an example of such a country, the same goes for the USA and most of for example the oil nations as well. You'll likely say that Russia isn't a capitalist country, but clearly Putin and pretty much every other person in power in Russia is a capitalist only they are more than that.
2022-11-24 22:33
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Except it’s virtually impossible to build a real business in Russia without having to either pay someone to avoid problems with the government or if u are big enough government just fabricated a case against u and gives ur business to some close inner circle person There have been attempts at building big companies in 90s and 00s, all of them have either been stolen (not even exaggerating) or forced into collaborating with the government (best example would be yandex I suppose) Not to mention small businesses where u have to play along with the corruption at all levels from registering your legal entity to things like fire inspections and what not
2022-11-24 22:37
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The thing is what you're talking about is capitalism, it is money controlling everything instead of say in a democracy where capitalism is regulated to a much higher degree. You can but other labels on it, but the reality is that capitalism is allowed to run free in Russia, except it is only allowed and controlled by those combining the capitalism with the authoritarian regime. In a way you could say Putin it the ultimate capitalist.
2022-11-24 23:06
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Fundamentally wrong Capitalism at its core has a free market and you can’t say that a market where everyone is oppressed by the government is free solely for having this mythical “opportunity”
2022-11-24 23:08
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You missed my point. The government you talk about is a capitalistic construct, corruption controls society and no one is more corrupt than Putin - just look at the billions he has pocketed as well as having made sure he friends also got billions. They run companies or let others run companies.
2022-11-24 23:14
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So it’s by definition not capitalism then?
2022-11-24 23:17
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I see it as capitalism, but you could call it something else. It is just labels, like for example some will say there are elections in Russia thus it is a democracy. One could also say Putin is a capitalist dictator, my main point is really that is seems so much in Russia runs on money and that there is those big companies, which are all capitalist in nature only they are also closely connected to the Kremlin only you can also say Kremlin is closely connected to those companies.
2022-11-25 00:18
#43
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Europe jigglep33k
fuck capitalism. fuck neo liberals. just check us before reagan and uk before thatcher. if you dont get, you dont get it.
2022-11-24 22:43
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lol 0 knowledge
2022-11-24 22:45
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#52
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Europe jigglep33k
lol 0 input but just random insults xD
2022-11-24 22:46
2 replies
you just got proven wrong underneath and u just said lol xd no whats the point
2022-11-25 03:50
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no you are wrong lol kekw haha hoho
2022-11-25 11:02
UK before thatcher was a literal shithole It was basically modenr day greece Same thing with the US in the 70's except to a lesser extent
2022-11-24 23:12
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yes most definitely xD
2022-11-24 23:15
maybe because a completely unregulated market would be literally hell with children working? lmfao there's a reason you need laws
2022-11-24 22:43
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Capitalism =/= anarchy lmao who says children have to work? No evidence of your words either, and if you want to say stuff like children working in Nike factories in east Asia or some mines in Africa that has nothing to do with capitalism, more about the fact that those countries were/are mostly agrarian and/or have insane level of corruption and governmental abuse or civil wars or whatever other terrible circumstances You can’t just throw such broad statements without looking deeper into these cases
2022-11-24 22:47
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#57
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Europe jigglep33k
thats why capitalists exploit unregulated markets xD
2022-11-24 22:48
22 replies
Because there’s a demand for money in these markets? You say they exploit it but any of those “exploited” workers still get better conditions than anything they could have achieved without it in their country
2022-11-24 22:50
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Europe jigglep33k
ok wise guy, tell me where there is no need for money. these people have no choice in most cases. and any capitalist could provide good working conditions but they certainly don't want to because it would reduce their profits. stop defending an anti-human system. disgusting wannabe rhetorician.
2022-11-24 23:04
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So because their circumstances put them in an environment where they have no better choice somehow puts the blame on capitalism? Yeah cool
2022-11-24 23:06
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it was clear that you have no arguments :)))) you are here anyway only to provoke and to feast on the reactions
2022-11-24 23:09
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I clearly explained my point idk how u see that as “no arguments” My argument is these countries where people have to choose best of the worst has nothing to do with capitalism, it’s not capitalism’s fault that the demand is so skewed against the supply in those regions in comparison to others
2022-11-24 23:10
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please spare me this nonsense. you know very well that the capitalists take advantage of the situation in these countries and for these very reasons let produce a lot in these very countries. but hey, it's not the fault of capitalism. as i said, you are only here to provoke and to enjoy the reactions. simply unbelievable disgusting behavior.
2022-11-24 23:14
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It’s as simple as following the supply vs demand, of course naturally companies will seek ways to maximise their benefits, but again, how does that put the blame for living conditions of certain areas on capitalism? Why don’t you look at the core of those problems and decide to bash the symptoms instead lmao I mean I get it a lot of people nowadays get their feelings hurt by cynical truth but u have to be realistic
2022-11-24 23:21
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as i already said, please spare me this nonsense. you know that capitalists spend a lot of money lobbying regions and countries to maintain the status quo. now you can answer again with your usual, and why is that the fault of capitalism. xD xD xD
2022-11-24 23:24
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So you're blaming a corporation for providing jobs in an area that otherwise would leave the individual scavenging for scrap metal to sell for pennies or begging for food? You're not going to correctly blame the government responsible for putting their citizens in that situation and will instead blame an economic system that is providing a living?
2022-11-25 05:04
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love me an american talking about capitalism. xD have fun collecting scrap metal for pennies donny.
2022-11-25 11:03
It would not simply "reduce their profits". It would either drive up the prices of the goods and make them less competitive compared with ones made in the 1st world's countries (especially taking logistics into account). Or make running the company pointless as it would not return the money on the investment (you know, you want something as a reward for your investment as it's both effort & risk). If all the companies would listen to fools like you, we would have all clothes produced in the United States, Europe, etc; and we would have both much higher costs and much poorer people in the 3rd world nations. But now, if you feel bad about the "exploitation of workers" (voluntary work) at the H&M factory, you can simply donate the money to those who need it. The exact money you saved as the jeans cost less because they were produced in Bangladesh.
2022-11-24 23:32
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"It would either drive up the prices of the goods and make them less compatible with ones made in the 1st world's countries" thanks mr. youtube ecomics 101. xD xD
2022-11-24 23:32
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This guy said something about my argument not being valid. Lol, at least I had one.
2022-11-24 23:35
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yes thank you i have already made enough arguments. i find it so incredibly amusing that people like you who have neither a million nor a hundred thousand or even ten thousand dollars in their bank account celebrate capitalism. but hey, you are definitely a winner of capitalism so congratulations.
2022-11-24 23:37
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It must hurt you when workers are in favor of capitalism. Because Marx didn't predict this........ I find it amusing when commies instead of attempting to make an argument try to impose their idiotic worldview on normal people. I won't do the same. Feel free to feel like dirt because greedy capitalists didn't force you to do anything but still wronged you. I just see the bigger picture: free market offers the best opportunities to all. It might be even limited to under $10K for me, but hey, I'm still better off than in any anti-capitalist regime the world has ever seen!
2022-11-24 23:50
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yes, you can tell yourself you have opportunities, that's what capitalism or the american dream is all about. but at some point you will realize that without capital nothing works. or in other words, if you don't have money, you can't make money. seriously, i have my own company, live in a first world country and am one of the beneficiaries of capitalism. as i said, i find it amusing when people like you put themselves forward as winners of capitalism and accuse me of being a communist. unlike you, i am a real capitalist and i exploit people. it is what it is but at least i pay my own employees well and make sure they are doing well. yet i make a profit from them.
2022-11-25 00:02
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So let's say your business goes bankrupt after 6 months of working at a loss. You would need to sell your house to pay out the loan you took to pay your workers for those 6 months. Does it mean they would end up exploiting you?.... Well, even if I had "youtube economics 101", at least I had ANY economics.
2022-11-25 00:14
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if your business flops after 6 months, your business idea was just shit. easy to blame it on your workers. you should watch the next course on youtube :)))
2022-11-25 00:21
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Don't evade my question, you're looking silly. I did not blame it on your workers. And I did not blame it on a business owner even - it could just be bad luck. You invested in a service that would make clips on twitch, but then twitch introduced the very same feature that would make your service pointless. Who exploits who in a situation when a business goes bonkers and owner loses his capital while workers have been paid all along?
2022-11-25 00:31
3 replies
if you don't make a profit on the staff you hire, it's your own fault. no one is forcing you to hire staff. you know, that's exactly why there's such a thing as a business plan. that's where you plan something like this and calculate costs. you can probably learn about it on youtube. the owner/investor bears the risk, but of course he makes proportionally more profit. but still there is a huge difference to pay people fairly, so that they have a good life and earn from their labor or to exploit people, pay them the absolute minimum and make a big profit. capitalism in its pure form remains inhumane and there is no such thing as a self-regulating market. the only reasonable form of capitalism is a social and regulated capitalism. before you come again with yoU dID NOT ansWeR meee QUesTIOn!!!! yes labor can exploit a boss but not in your example. how can labor exploit their employee? easy, dont work, fake illness and so on. now you have completed shitty economic lession #1 on hltv.
2022-11-25 01:08
2 replies
No, dude. First, you gotta stop trying to explain how to run a business & who's to blame if a business fails. It just shows you're entirely missing the point of this conversation. And your arrogance towards people who genuinely fail in entrepreneurship just shows that you're actually not really respectful of other people in general. Because, you know, your beloved workers wouldn't work for you if they could run their own company. It applies to the majority of people. But I bet this combination of business school student arrogance, condescending "care" of your workers' well-being, and remorse for exploiting them makes you feel hella special! Anyway, I liked the point when you said "no one forces you to hire staff". Nice! Because no one forces staff to get hired as well. Both the worker and the business sign the contract voluntarily (if not, it's not a free market). And if both parties carry out the contract, why the situation when a business owner loses money while his employees earn money is NOT exploitation? One party benefits at expense of the other. So yes, I still have a question. You say it's not exploitation. Why? Explain the difference.
2022-11-25 01:26
1 reply
its not an exploitation because they pay you with their labor.
2022-11-25 02:04
It's not a broad statement lmfao. We have these rules now because people saw how shit it was without them. Even small benefits such as days off and breaks have been won by blood otherwise the unregulated market would never give them to you if the state would not force them to lmfaooooo stop the bootlicking capitalism is the best we can do but that doesn't mean it's perfect and requires no regulation.
2022-11-24 23:25
4 replies
Interesting how you completely ignored the rest of what I said
2022-11-24 23:33
3 replies
You did the same with mine. Nothing that i said was false. And how are you gonna defend unregulated capitalism as a Russian? It was legit anarchy after communism fell. Does that make communism good? no. Does that mean it should be replaced with banditry capitalism? No. What's wrong with the capitalism of nordic countries? Nothing.
2022-11-25 00:25
2 replies
it wasnt "legit anarchy" it was ruled by criminals lmao >What's wrong with the capitalism of nordic countries? Nothing. yeah because its not capitalism; thats quite literally the whole point of this thread neither capitalism nor communism has ever been successfuly built in any economy
2022-11-25 00:28
1 reply
It is literally capitalism with high taxation. Why can't people get this through their heads?
2022-11-25 00:31
You cannot know that communism is an utopia, because it has never been tested in a country.
2022-11-24 22:43
8 replies
0/8
2022-11-24 22:45
3 replies
You could not be more wrong. Name one place where there was actual real communism.
2022-11-24 23:08
2 replies
flag and flair
2022-11-25 03:50
russia, china, kuba, hungary, need more ?
2022-11-25 10:55
Ive never tried jumping down in lava either but i know its bad for me
2022-11-24 23:08
2 replies
its actually more like: I've never tried eating x food, but i know that isn't good :)
2022-11-24 23:16
1 reply
Sure, lets go with that
2022-11-24 23:17
That’s literally the whole point lol
2022-11-24 23:11
Its quite impossible to plan the entire economical activity of a society, this is why communism gets the lower end of the stick, nothing else. Nobody actually knows in fact, this is why capitalism stays, since its basically a roulette of the collective of individual decisions that go somewhere and the state is used when unwanted consequences happen. Considering the fact that mathematical chaos exist, i very much doubt any planned economic system can function at all.
2022-11-24 22:45
you trying to defend communism? typical delusional russian.
2022-11-24 22:47
11 replies
Seems like you have some problems with reading
2022-11-24 22:48
7 replies
you got some serious issues yourself. Stop posting shit like this on hltv. Use your stupid telegram.
2022-11-24 22:50
6 replies
Lmfao take ur meds pls and try actually reading next time before u throw random insults
2022-11-24 22:51
5 replies
insults? lol
2022-11-24 22:52
4 replies
Typical delusional russian yet there’s literally nothing typical or delusional about what I said, not to mention that I didn’t defend communism in any way at all and if anything the point of this thread is completely opposite
2022-11-24 22:55
3 replies
still this is a csgo website nothing about capitalism
2022-11-24 22:55
2 replies
Off topic section
2022-11-24 22:56
1 reply
preach on telegram tho.
2022-11-24 22:56
Not what he wrote at all.
2022-11-24 23:09
0/8
2022-11-25 03:55
Why are you doubling down? Just say "oops, I misread, my bad." It sounds more like you just hate Russians instead of what he wrote.
2022-11-25 05:07
Flag checks out... xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2022-11-24 22:47
5 replies
Care to elaborate? If not maybe think about not leaving useless comments
2022-11-24 22:49
4 replies
I wont argue with a russian about commun/capita, thanks.
2022-11-24 22:54
3 replies
Just say you don’t have arguments
2022-11-24 22:55
2 replies
Sure, im as stupid as defending any of those.
2022-11-24 22:57
1 reply
Ok mr imbetterthaneveryone hope you get well soon!
2022-11-24 23:04
#56
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United States Topher
i dont care just let me have a cabin in the woods
2022-11-24 22:48
Capitalism is not perfect - but its the best we have
2022-11-24 23:10
1 reply
iirc i read somethg about capitalism will eventually doom humanity and there are better economic system models out there but the elites chose to remain current(capitalist) because it profits them the most
2022-11-25 07:41
Ok, you are not smart
2022-11-24 23:10
4 replies
10/10 argument couldn’t expect more from hltv
2022-11-24 23:11
3 replies
If you dont understand why that level of capitalism we currentlly have isnt good, its not worth the time to explain to you.
2022-11-25 00:25
2 replies
reply needs actual content
2022-11-25 03:55
1 reply
2022-11-25 06:08
Both are bad, communism favors lazy people but capitalism favors evil people
2022-11-24 23:13
U should look how Belgium & France work.. i'll u see a mix between socialisme & capitalism.. best combination.. if u want to survive without workin it works, if u want make money it works too !
2022-11-24 23:13
1 reply
Only if you somehow keep the perfect balance which is next to impossible and u still get people on both ends having to sacrifice something for the sake of the opposite side
2022-11-24 23:22
#143
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Netherlands Datsun510
I just wish the medical world wasnt as privatised man
2022-11-24 23:24
12 replies
I would pick private clinic over having to wait in a queue for months or even years any day Also it’s not like “free” state medicine is free anyway lol you still pay a shit ton in taxes only difference is you pay for someone you’ve never seen in your life to have an opportunity being treated One thing I could agree on is patents on medication cuz that’s fr just bullshit but as long as patents are up for free use it should be subjected to free market like everything else
2022-11-24 23:32
11 replies
#160
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Netherlands Datsun510
no that is not what i meant let me elaborate as i worded it poorly. Currently, pfizer, biontech, and all those companies make money off sick people. You do not want to heal them, you want to make more money off them. Using dying people as a business model is sickening. I believe that if this wasnt the case, a lot of better and cheaper cures would be found. Patents on meds is also the most stupid thing i have ever seen. It's a difficult one though. Why would a medical company invest in research if others could just copy off you? Overall its a very hard dilemma, especially ethics wise
2022-11-24 23:36
2 replies
well, you could invest in making a better treatment so that people would buy your medication over someone else's and it doesnt have to be patented if anything that would only make it better because competition drives up the quality
2022-11-24 23:38
1 reply
#166
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Netherlands Datsun510
i'm not sure. Either way, the business idea of keeping people sick for profits is absolutely sick imo
2022-11-24 23:41
#161
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Sweden Huggoo
in countries with state-funded healthcare programs, it is still significantly cheaper than say healthcare in the US, which comes with a ton of side payments making even a simple ambulance ride cost thousands of dollars, which can make any poor family's life hell
2022-11-24 23:36
7 replies
US healthcare is a huge outlier and in most cases they just put arbitrary numbers that have nothing behind it, but the thing is its also because of the insurance. a lot of hospitals work exclusively with certain insurance companies so they create sort of cartels on the spot what about countries where both exist, private >> public basically all the time unless u are simply broke. and nobody gonna charge u hundreds of thousands for a simple treatment also since its a supposedly free market u can just go to places where medicine is cheaper than ur country and a lot of ppl are already doing that anyway, even with all the extra costs involved its very much worth it
2022-11-24 23:42
6 replies
#172
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Sweden Huggoo
like 1% of people are gonna be able to fly to another country to get weird expensive treatments, stop acting like that's an actual solution
2022-11-24 23:47
5 replies
not like being put in a queue for a surgery is a better option when its a health issue that needs to be treated asap
2022-11-24 23:50
also like at least me personally, if i cant afford something im not gonna demand it from other people just because they have a better financial situation, which is basically what the whole point of "tax the rich" communists is
2022-11-24 23:53
3 replies
#179
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Sweden Huggoo
we should all be helping each other, this individualist point of view is the dumbest thing to come out of the western world
2022-11-24 23:56
2 replies
help is not something that can be demanded
2022-11-25 00:05
1 reply
#205
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Sweden Huggoo
it's something that should just happen
2022-11-25 01:17
CCCP > Russia end.
2022-11-24 23:28
5 replies
Wrong on so many levels
2022-11-24 23:28
4 replies
Say this to the people who went into poverty after Gorbatchov
2022-11-24 23:34
3 replies
say this to ppl who got their whole lives of hard work destroyed and stolen (often with killing the person) simply to redistribute the money rofl
2022-11-24 23:42
2 replies
XAXAXAXAXAXA I doubt you are Russian. Or, if so, he must be 13 years old and not have studied the history of his own country...
2022-11-25 00:09
1 reply
Reply needs to have actual content talking about not studying history but completely ignoring dekulakization and collectivisation smartest ussr defender
2022-11-25 00:11
Actualy, imo, there are very little countrys that are not capitalist, having basic measures like free healthecare, x number of paid maternity leave and paid vacation, minimun wage doesnt make your country not capitalist, just makes it more advanced in a social point of view. having social measures doesnt make a country not capitalist, economic measures that restrict comerce and transactions make your country not capitalist. So cpuntry like china and russia that entitled themselves comunist are mostly capitalist, and everything west of berlin is also most capitalist
2022-11-24 23:37
2 replies
yes thats what i said with all the countries having mixed economies having a closer side of a spectrum towards capitalism still doesnt make it a capitalitst country tho
2022-11-24 23:44
1 reply
yes you are right but mostly it does bc capitalist is strictly about economic freedom and less intervention (laissez-faire/let it make/be/evolve). So my conclusion is no country is strictly comunist by, as you said, most of them are towards a capitalism spectre, that has been proved, with good social measurements, to be the best way to be, evolve as an economy
2022-11-24 23:47
Corporations bad Governments bad Socialism bad Small businesses good
2022-11-25 00:09
battle royale anarchism bestest
2022-11-25 00:23
smart Ruski. we will never have true capitalism untill we get rid of (((()))))
2022-11-25 00:31
2 replies
the fact that by saying ((())) u make it perfectly clear who u mean is both hilarious and depressing
2022-11-25 00:56
Least delusional dutchie
2022-11-25 02:04
#201
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Sweden pluskyyy
only loosers hate capitalism
2022-11-25 00:50
One day brazil gonna have free public transportation
2022-11-25 01:09
1 reply
I hope not. We already pay many taxes. we dont need another one to the government disappear with 30% of it. Im not even going to argue about the moral problem of taxes...
2022-11-25 04:12
Almost all countries run capitalism. What changes is the amount of regulation. The reason you need regulation is because we are humans and not robots and nothing can work perfectly. Imo, the biggest advantage of capitalism is that it allows for that regulation. Because the regulation itself is subjected to free market conditions to an extend. If you have too much regulation, the productivity drops and people become unhappy, if you have too little, abuse arises and people again become unhappy. And of course these depend on the conditions in society. Communism for instance always seems to work up to a point, but it always reaches a situation where it can no longer follow the conditions of society due to the rigid nature of the ideology. It eventually devolve into totalitarian regimes trying to keep control by force.
2022-11-25 01:20
6 replies
If capitalism is regulated why so many negative and destructive things aren't regulated but are promoted like gambling?
2022-11-25 06:17
4 replies
Ask yourself who does the regulation. Exactly: the most power hungry and corrupt people we know... politicians. If they wanted to change the system and make it better, THEY have the chance to do it. And if they don't change it then you know they are happy with the system.
2022-11-25 10:34
3 replies
Capitalism is not regulated it will go where the profit is, capitalism allow to make profit out of peoples misery nothing to do with elites or politicians because our world is ruled by market, banks and capitalism
2022-11-25 10:49
2 replies
But still, politicians are the guys in power to limit that stuff. But I guess they make too much money by themselves so they let everything stay as it is.
2022-11-25 10:57
1 reply
These politicians are bought by the compagnies and lobbies there's none above them to control except capitalism
2022-11-25 11:01
+1 smart jerman
2022-11-25 10:32
#208
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Brazil apuj
looks like your thought about capitalism is kinda a utopia, like the communism what u are criticizing, what a irony
2022-11-25 01:32
the west has real capitalism its why birth rates are low afterall people dont want to/ cant afford to risk losing a job/ apartment because they want to start a family, the lulbert idea that we dont have real capitalism is no different than not real socialism the final red pill is realising the cappies and commies come to the same conclusions albeit for different reason
2022-11-25 01:37
1 reply
Which country in europe has 100% capitalism?
2022-11-25 10:32
It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, as long as it can catch mice mate.
2022-11-25 04:18
2 replies
Some profound wisdom here
2022-11-25 04:59
1 reply
It is the words xiaoping said, the greatest reformer for china. There will be no a strong china like this if there is no Deng xiaoping. He is the one every chinese repsect and applause to.
2022-11-25 08:08
100% Capitalism and 100% Communism both are bad. Just like in alcohol, the best way is to mix. Finland is a perfect example of a country with a lot of capitalist and socialist values, and the country runs like clockwork.
2022-11-25 07:31
Capitalism bestest but only if it isn't complete free market economy. Ordoliberalism GOAT <3
2022-11-25 10:30
this worldwide cronyist corporatist corporatocracy is closer to communism than capitalism
2022-11-25 10:40
capitalism rekts noob soycialism
2022-11-25 11:12
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