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There must be one, how can you not see yourself from a perspective „I’m there I’m conscious and I think therefore I am, but actually am I?”
The fact that we’re conscious is so absurd that I genuinely can’t understand people who think life is meaningless
What all the circus for? Science makes you think it’s random but how advanced science actually is that its mostly not understanding how things work and taking them for granted like putting people to sleep before opening up their chest
Its truly amazing to imagine that lifes a journey into unknown and that unknown might be the gift for finding yourself in this mad world and chaos
Think about it
Ok.
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average jonty switch
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there is definitely one, we differ from animals at some point
Is to worship the only true God
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If there were many gods then by definition they're not gods worhty of worship. And surely they would try to outstrip one another. What would that imply when they fight? Those who lose are suddenly not god? What if they tie? What if both dies? So answer: God of Abraham.
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Christians and Jews claim to worship the God of Abraham,which is right?
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Both are suppose to worship the same one true God. And the Jews and the Christians who followe their respective ORIGINAL scriptures before those were corrupt, were having no dispute in who they are worshping. It was only after around 400AD~ which we find the church fathers at that time elevating the status of Jesus to being divine. However neither Moses nor Jesus claimed that they were the last messengers tho or that they worshipped other gods other than the One, in fact they were foretelling for yet another final messenger to come to lead the people "into all truth" and confirm the previous scriptures. Take a guess.
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Am I understanding this right? You're trying to tell me the bible prophecies of Muhammad?
Every single god is real, doesnt mean that they exist and its pointless to argue about the existence of any god. Take the christian god for instance, the idea of the god of the bible - the one from the old testament or the other one from the new testament - has had such a huge impact on your life and everything around you that you can argue that he is more real than you. Plato wasnt playing around calling manifested existence an illusion while saying ideas are what is really real. Take the universe as we know of as an example, the only thing you can say for sure that existed before this universe is not "nothing" or "god", both of which are foolish answers, its actually the idea of the universe. Having the definition of an idea as "the possibility of something" and being that we all know quite obviously that this universe is possible since we live in it, its a fact that the idea of this universe is not only real but existed even before the universe itself. Even the idea of the person you are today existed since the very beginning of the universe long before the first human ever thought about existence itself. Any idea that impacts reality as we know is real too, even if it may or may not exist. Arguing the existence of any god is pointless massaging of ego and personal interest, every single god is real since the very beginning of its idea, some with more impact than others but even then you can't deny the existence of the idea or the reality of its impact in human life.
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Funny how they picked that one fella when they originally had shitton of gods en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_religion..
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if there was nothing before but consciousness appeared within the being, how can you be sure nothing will be afterwards? who granted you a pc inside your brain? Nature/rng? buhahahaha
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When you survive a car crash but your brain is damaged, are you the same afterwards? Nope. Just like PC, brain can get damaged. When you die, your brain stops functioning completely and that means you are unable to have consciousness. It disappears forever. We're just a cluster of carbon that can function as long as we're alive.
That mark twain logic is absurd since you can't be the slightest sure if you didnt have any sort of consciousness or life before being born here, how can you know exactly how it was before you were born just because you don't have a present memory of it? You forget stuff that you ate for lunch a week after that and expect an experience like human birth to be something that would hold on to anything that existed before your physical senses as a memory past the first couple of moments of your existence here?
I'll reply again here because one of the words I've used is probably shadowbanned and made my comment require approval and I dont know if that will happen, if you see this like a double post, ignore it.
"That mark twain logic is not good since you can't be the slightest sure if you didnt have any sort of consciousness or life before being born here, how can you know exactly how it was before you were born just because you don't have a present memory of it? You forget stuff that you ate for lunch a week after that and expect an experience like human birth to be something that would hold on to anything that existed before your physical senses as a memory past the first couple of moments of your existence here?"
edit: K so I can't avoid this for some reason even if other comments went through without any problems, any mods seeing this just ignore this comment and this account altogether, tyvm.
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go eat lettuce
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ok smoke that gas then👍⛽
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Mmmmh.
only stupid people think there is an objective purpose in life, there is no purpose, you are a simple animal like a homeless dog, only by your stupid human mind you think you are worth more.
but if you are intelligent enough like god bettor (me) you can find the purpose in life by yourself.
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this was very smart take
no way you made another alt
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i dont have alt accounts, i only create another account when jonathan ban me, because i won another bet xD
We humans have massive ego. This kind of believe in higher force is ruining our developement. Image if every would know that after death there is nothing how the science would be much better cuz x1737171636 amount of funding. I would say that the average age could be something like 150 atm if religions would stop holding us back.
You could say that your purpose is your potential, identifying what you are built to do - what your mind works best with and what you are able to more clearly understand and apply than others, then setting the purpose to make that potential a reality, even aiming at the most utopian and fanciful outcome of that potential like revolutionasing whichever field you have the most capacity to work on, and then even if you aren't able to translate as low as 10% of your potential, you can die happy knowing that you lived trying to achieve the best that you could do being born the way you were.
Dinosaurs that lived millions years ago are living now in heaven between 100 virgins or so
The meaning of life is not only about job or family. You must suffer... a lot
Make life mean something to yourself, that is the only thing that matters.
This is everything we have so enjoy.
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of course passing the gift if youre able to do it is a part of the journey, but you have to be prepared for it
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of course, I guess Im just lucky to have everything that happened to me, eventho I regretted some things in the past now its all gone
My personal experience tells me I question meaning of life the most when I'm not feeling well; perhaps you need something big in your life
Edit: by big I mean something that will change lots of things
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ofc Im having suicidal and sabotaging self talk too when most things go to shit but u recover from the lows
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I guess you need to meet new people
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New people don’t fix problems within oneself, dunno where you coming from with this statement
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What I mean is that engaging with new people may get you into new activities and make you want to discover more things, and the curiosity for new things is really important to keep us moving
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years in the conscious state and the world that you see, what about the subconscious and all that stuff hidden deep in our brain?
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we can build up to things over the years, we don't live in the moment if one has discipline and goals
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you talk like you know for a fact and can point out exactly what consciousness is, like you are limiting it to sensorial perception, which is just a dumb take tbh. How tf can you know for sure that consciousness dies with your physical body? Or that even if it dies, it can't be born again in some other form of energy and preserve your unique perception of things in some kind of other realm of reality?
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Some people act like they „been there, done that” when they didn’t take a major risk once in their lives
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I'm the one that's jealous of you. If I had your certainty that there was literally nothing after death I would've jumped off a building a long time ago. I envy people that are sure of complete emptyness when we die even if I think its a really superficial take. The suffering and despair of the possibility of anything at all that would keep me existing after physical death its the only thing that keeps me wanting to retain my current consciousness and mindset even through all the shit of this reality.
I'm with socrates on the whole thing of if death involves the cessation of consciousness, in which case our afterlife existence will resemble a single night of dreamless sleep, that would be the most incredible thing ever and there isn't a single reason to fear or not want that, and in my opinion just go for it and end it earlier because of how good that proposition is in reality. Believing in eternity the way I do - without the good heavenly utopian fantasies that gives people hope - involves way more rage, hate, desperation and suffering and its a lot less foolish than thinking this life is any worth living if there isn't anything after it.
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I was with you to some extent up until "randomly obtained personality", since for me when you talk about something like personal meaning and cosmovision being something externally influenced and out of your control should imply that pretty much every single thing is based of external influence, and having something like a domino effect of influences since the very beggining of the universe wouldnt be plausible with any kind of randomness.
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The personality you have is based on genetics from your parents which you can never choose to have as there was a probability at play at the time of your birth, there was no guarantee, hence it's random in itself. You're just born with it and you can't just deny it or choose another. By your logic, there would be no concept of probability of events in our universe which is ridiculous.
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What about identical twins? They end up developing different personalities, from my experience. And your "personality" is just a range of emotions one uses to move forward and cope. People who are angry all the time simply use that emotion as a means to an end. Once they realize they have a better way of achieving their goals without the need of said emotion they begin to change. A personality is not set in stone. If it's convenient for one to behave differently they will.
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I think he meant that personality is also influenciated by genetics, and is trying to argue the randomness in that and that if there is a random factor about it makes it "random in itself". I wasn't personally going after debating what personality is since for me its quite straightforward, everything that is formed within you about who you are that is based of circunstance and the medium, enviroment and life experiences could be in its entirety called your personality, the result of the sum of all the parts of you that were created over time with all you've absorbed with your naturally born perception of everything.
And your parents couldnt choose their genetics, and neither their parents or the parents of their parents and so on and so forth, all that means is no one has control over anything, whatever was the first thing to ever happen is the one moment where there could possibly be any kind of randomness. Probability doesn't mean the result of the roll of an dice for example isn't predetermined by the way the dice is thrown and every other influence that resides in the determination of the outcome. Just because we can't possibly calculate the result of something cause we can't even begin to grasp everything that influences an outcome doesn't mean that the outcome is literally random. If everything that happens happens without any kind of real control and real choice over its outcome there isn't really any randomness involved, its just something happening some way because another thing happened in some other way before that and made that possible. Pretty much like behaviourism in psychology when they say that every behaviour is predetermined by an previous behaviour, just in an higher sense, where nothing and no one has any control over anything because every decision and outcome is determined by influences that no one has any control over. Everything is simply the unfolding of the story predetermined by the first event that ever happened, whatever that may be.
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that's fair. but do two people who get exposed to the exact same external stimuli end up with the exact same goals too?
I guess genetics would be the reason that's not the case, yes.
I would still rather consider my current meaning of life as my own. Not that I don't agree with your point of view, but because I find it to be rather depressing. It's not going to change my way of living either way.
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latina cakes in straps
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Imo meaning of life is to reproduce and populate the world if you ask from an biological standpoint and what humans are "made" for. We are just an animal like every other.
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Reproduce while being a HLTV user challenge (difficulty: impossible)
Its the inverse, the beings that reproduce is the ones that stay and keep going because the others... don't, so their genes die out with time. For Nature, anything goes, we just see the aftermath.
Most mammals are conscious, whatever.
"Meaning" is subjective.
Just do things that you love before you go ded ☠️☠️☠️ mens
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Only if Niko knew that in Nuke Heaven
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Less kids, but less kids and their mothers deaths.
Less family interaction, but more ways to connect with each other.
We still have social hierarchy, but it seems like its not that strict as i was back then, which is good imo.
The rest I agree except of religion. People still believe in a lot of shit, even though they are not religious.
You should build some kind of legacy before you are gone, so you wont be forgotten. Something like the most powerful families did in their time, so when people read about our time in history books there will be stories about you and ur family.
If you believe to after life this isnt kind of relevant need for you, but as a man who believes there is nothing after life this is important thing.
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Eventho Im an afterlife type of person I still want to be the greatest in what I do, you cannot label a person based on a part of their worldview
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In my experience people who are religious focus more to the next life etc than this life. Only my personal exp so obviously its not fact based, and if im wrong im sorry, not going to do any better research for hltv tho
Consciousness is mindblowing indeed, science cannot fully explain it, how can a complex organization of inanimate parts lead to something that exists in its self awareness?
Meaning of life is subjective tho, this is a puzzle to me. I think it has something to do with mental sanity, being able to sort yourself out, to have self love, to be grateful, to be genuine within your thoughts, talks and actions.
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only thing that differs us from animals is that we actually know we're here and have a mindset. Besides that I don't think we're overly advanced. Otherwise we wouldn't kill each other and would actually try to save that planet. We're the only species that destroys itself and it's surrounding which makes us even more unadvanced than animals if you asked me.
Meaning of life? Not sure about that but you can find yourself one. Mine is to keep boundings and share good memories with my friends and family, living the best life I can.
the maning of life is to suffer, without the suffering you can't have those good moments. There has to be balance, yin and yang, rainy sunny, day and night and so on.... you reap what you sow... i can go on an make it a million pages, the more you suffer the better your reward will be, thats life... do you know how much pain a woman has to go through to make birth to that miracle? Yeah that miracle is defenitely worth alot, hence the tremendous pain... Do you know how much pro csgo players sacrificed to become a pro? They sacrificed friends, a normal life, nights to have fun with friends, they sacrificed alot to become a pro.
when you're dead you're dead. and until then - there's ice cream.
I think that everyone has their own meanings in life. One person's meaning is to achieve all the goals he sets for himself. Another person's meaning is to have a family. One person's meaning is to make everyone know his legacy, while his neighbor might think that he doesn't really have a meaning in life and just goes with the flow of life.
These kind of philosophical questions are my favorites to talk about with your group of friends or significant people in your life
Everyone is in a position to find his own meaning of life, some people just lack motivation and strenght to actually find it. Sadly a lot of people have their minds corrupted with religion and it makes them blind to other perspectives from which the life can be seen, and most of the time it's not even their choice, they're being indoctrinated from the start, since they're small children. I personally feel like the meaning of my life is to cherish all those little moments that the life itself consists of, to appreciate the time I spend with my loved ones, and to experience beauty of this world in all aspects, so by looking at beautiful landscapes, paintings and photos, by listening to music, by educating myself, by experiencing all there is to life, pretty much. But I know for some people that is not enough and they want to search for mysteries and answers to them, and to those people I strongly advise - educate yourselves on psychedelics. I think they can answer some of the questions, of course they ask 10x more because they're so complex and mysterious, but most importantly they offer a completely new perspective on life, consciousness and everything, pretty much. Ancient Egyptians knew about it and used psychedelics, there's evidence for that. Ancient greeks also drank wine with psychedelics in it, there's evidence for that, too. Don't limit yourself by listening to stereotypes or religious dogma. Explore yourself and life while you can.
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eyyy this buddy
I can't wait for my next trip, thinking 2 or 3 sugarcubes, 50mg MDMA, lots of ketamine and weed, try to get into a completely trippy headspace and enjoy the contents of my mind for hours on end with music playing. Now though, I remember how hard it can sometimes be to just try to chill while your whole body is buzzing erratically. Have a good one, lol.
i have not really been given a reason to believe in any particular purpose or god. And really, It doesn't seem too far fetched to say that we're the culmination of random events. I mean, in order for a universe to be observed, it has to be capable of creating observers, no?
If there is some overarching reason or creator, it seems to be either uninterested in our lives or unable/unwilling to intervene, In either case, I don't see any reason to worry myself with it. We'll all find out in the end, one way or another.
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It really makes me wonder how a majority of people seem to somehow be afraid of even considering 'randomness' or 'chaos' as a big force in the universe.
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I mean I get it. Not knowing if there's someone in control can be scary. People want the guarantee that it'll be okay in the end,
I've certainly found myself wanting a god i could turn to on occasion, but I've just never found anything worth paying attention to.
Consciousness is a conundrum, no one knows if it's a real thing inside our brains or not. We all know chimps are good in recognizing patterns, but I think we are just deeply aware of things because of our sophisticated language. We shared so much experience and information in such a short time, damn, evolution wise we are the same species from tens of thousands of years ago. For them the meaning of life was "eat, discover, reproduce, share experience" and thanks to this simplistic mentality we are here today, discussing the meaning of life. Maybe that simple mentality is the meaning of life, and we don't see it because we are overwhelmed by our own overthought concepts.
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google biological needs and derive your universal meaning from those
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renn back at it 3plsss black market
devil may cry
I mean it's crazy that some lifeless materials when put together in a soup for billions of years can create breathing, moving and living organisms, releasing and capturing energy in so many different ways. And it's all from the most basic of building blocks.
the "think about it" made me think about The Five Wheel Treaty
obviously no one here will understand what im saying
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no meaning
you just have not died yet
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Survive, reproduce,die
no more, no less
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we are a cosmological accident, breed from chaos, and we will dissappear just as fast. our livelyhoods not even a spec on the cosmological scale.
Do what you can in the limited time we have, with friends, family, loved ones, hobbies and interest.
you will dissapear, and most likely forgotten again
It’s all a big nothing but that’s okay
"Life" has no meaning but to replicate and exist.
YOU give things a meaning. YOU like or dislike things. YOU feel.
Life or the processes that maintain this universe or the physical laws which govern it do not.
You can easily take some psychoactive substances and find out that YOUR interpretation of life is only YOURS. You can also ask a miner in China who will never see the sunlight. Ever.
Ok i will
Read some Hesse and Camus
i stopped thinking about all this tbh
the meaning of life, is to find your own meaning not follow a crowd. make up your own reality and enjoy it till u drop dead and get eaten by animals which will then shit you out and u will be used to create new life for the plants in the ground.
eee voila mystery solved.
Your body is a chemical factory. You do everything you do in accordance to the chemicals, which provide you consciousness by conducting electricity thru your nervous cells. Most pf the things you do are automatic/instinctive. Exostence is absurd. Considering everything, I'm pretty sure it's meaningless. You csn interpret it however you want a find yourself a meaning, that's the beauty of it.
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