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Is there any tier 1 veteran player who reached an insane peak, then drop rating, fall to tier 2, and managed to grind back to tier 1?
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Cadian
Rain
Device (dropped to tier 0 now back to Astralis)
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Facts, when he was on rogue he was basically there because no real important teams would want him
It wasnt anything like s1mple in liquid, who was a kind of superstar who was coming from eu/cis to na
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anybody who says something like "top 11" or "top 7" is cope. its top 3 top 5 or top 10. dont add one more in to fit people in
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Saying his placement in the top 20 list is cope?
saying he was "top 11" shows my point better than "he was top 20", since he was only one place away from top 10 vs the assumption that he could've barely made top 20 and be in 20th place. A lot of people also thought device earned top 10 last year, most people putting him above Jame and some putting him above Yekindar. In theory I could've said "and ended up the 11th best player of the year", is that better?
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use top 15 or 20
/closed
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I dont think cadian really was a t1 player in his early days tbf. He was at the first major tho
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Cadian def wasnt tier1 player at all lol.
tier 0 is better than tier 1 btw
when did rain drop to tier 2???
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c9 hobbit kinda looking washed besides rio major, hope rio major wasnt a one off performance for him
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Rain in 2017 then fell off in 2019-20 and is now good again.
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he was still tier1 tho...
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FaZe wasn't tier 1, to be honest, they were 1.5 tier
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playing every tier1 tournament and reaching playoffs in many of them makes you tier 1.5?
people here on hltv have some skewed defenitions of what tier1 and 2 is.
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that's why some people opt to say S tier A tier B tier when doing analysis
S and A tier are all tier 1 teams, but at the beginning of the year you wouldn't say every G2 and ENCE were on the same level as Navi and Faze but it doesn't mean they weren't tier 1 teams
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What are teams like Furia then if finalist are Katowice and EPL are A tier
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I'd say furia were close/a tiny bit behind G2 and Ence
Ence was up and coming until Antwerp, G2 started good then declined until antwerp while Furia were still a contender level playoff team
generally top 10 would be A tier, all of them can play or beat one another in close games, but usually A tier does not often challenge S tier which is around top 2 top 4 teams most of the time
ScreaM i guess, he wasnt particularly impressive in 2014 and 2015 but bounced back for 2016
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Id put fer > fallen there actually.
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still is. one fluke map in 2 years
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Just get EU igls
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Rain did not go to Tier 2
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but he hasn't played on a tier 2 team in the meantime
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Well faze wasnt exactly a great team at the time.. they just had invites to the big tourneys/leagues
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I still don't consider them tier 2, but it's relative and personal
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I understand that. I think they were like on the edge. Invited to S tier tourneys but never really did good there. But if you compare them (and rain) to before that periode and now, there is a significant difference to be seen:D
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But the thread talks about players who dropped to tier 2, in this case to a tier 2 team
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"who reached an insane peak"
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i meant it for cadiaN
Stewie2k
he founds his way on tier 1 content creation
Hobbit
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I think he wasn't washed
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Yeah i guess, especially in late 2020 and 2021 he was much better as both a player and igl than many wouldve expected him to be
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cold was at the peak and is pretty much at the bottom now
He asked for "ex-washed up" not currently
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aleksib
tier 1 ence -> tier 2 g2 -> tier 1 nip
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The user is talking about individual skill, not team. So your poor attempt of taking a jibe at G2 is quite illogical
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if its illogical to you can you please say your answer ? don't say hobbit he was shit at kazakh gambit.
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Hobbit 1.14 rating in 2017, shining in the Major Grand Final with heroic rounds
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fluke run in major, he was 11th in '17, 6th in '21 i don't think he reached his potential in 2017.
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Hurr dur fluke. I haven't achieved anything in life, so whoever achieved it was fluke, hurr dur Gambit fluke, C9 fluke, Outsiders fluke, not favorites winning is fluke, maybe that way I'll feel better about myself. And 2017 so far was his individual peak, then he dropped his performance, and then his individual peak became 2021.
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go cry in your corner, kazakh gambit is the biggest fluke ever. do they win anything after major ? oh actually mb cuz "Signed up 2021-01-05"
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Imagine being a pro player who trains 9-10 hours 6 days a week for 16 year old HLTV users who barely help their mother wash the dishes tell your Major is fluke.
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I don't want to prove your stupidty to your face. Please google gambit liquipedia and try to process the informations with your peanut brain
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Is there any certificate that their Major is fluke? Or is it more of an excuse for someone to feel better seeing other people winning something?
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Karrigan dropped off to danish tier2 by 2007 after he broke into the scene a few years earlier and got accused of cheating by a lot of dk pros, then peaked in 2011 with mouz and fnatic, then start of csgo, then faze, then mouz, now faze peak etc you get the pic
Hobbit is the only example in my view... Astralis players, G2 players, Faze players etc just had bad years, it's hard to consider that they were tier 2 for a period of time with them having spots in several big events
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To top 10 player 2021 and starplayer on a top 3 team of the year that won multiple tournaments fits the narrative better:)
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I just wanted to add more perpective:)
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Why flair? I agree that he is one of the best examples for OPs question:)
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Lmao sorry misread in a hurry, i was wondering what the point of that was haha
krimz
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krimz never washed
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Maybe not washed but he was a monster in 2014-2015 and then 2016-2017 he was very average and then in 2018 he became a god again.
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Snax 😎🤙
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still made it to grand final of iem dallas 2022 (as a stand in) and was highest rated player on his team (as a stand in)
he absolutely slogged faze
when you talk about tier 4 youre talking about online, he still performs at lan tier1
anyone else doing this in "tier 4"?
youtube.com/watch?v=RvF4ltfV-3Y
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Yeah I was thinking about him, but his time on NIP wasn't very impressive to be honest
No one mentioned RpK yet, bro was trapped in nV with sixer happy and xms then went back to tier 1 with Vitality
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true
True, and while playing all the shit role that no one want.
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stewie2iq and tarik soon
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freakazoid how? i like the dude but they won like 1 game in last 3 months
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Device, just wait and see
The obvious one is HObbit
Karrigan had a brief stint in NA with Envy though ppl don’t talk about it before he rebuilt his rep in Mouz.
Snappi was in and out of tier 2 and 3 for years before he finally got his big break in Ence.
Acor is heading into the direction of getting another tier 1 chance, maybe NiP picks him up or something.
Tim and Nitro too I guess, but they were in tier 1 Valorant orgs and returned to CS in tier 1 orgs here. If they continued to play Valorant I’m nearly certain they’d be on a franchise team right now. Especially Nitr0, who was a star player in his own right in his time in Valorant.
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i thought this thread was about players that were tier 1 then tier 2 then back to tier 1
+! from mouz to weird nrg roster to big
kennys
rain adren hobbit apex
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The kz one
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Ye na adren can also be mentioned
Maybe GuardiaN. People started staying he was washed, that he was done between mid 2016 until he joined faze in late 2017. Then he woke up again in faze and was top3 awper in the world again pretty much. Although he wasnt really washed 2016-2017 but alot of ppl said he was and he did have a couple of bad events.
zeus never was a insane player but the history of how he was kicked from Navi and then went to a team that wasn't even in top 20 and managed to win a major with them in less than 1 year is pretty good
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