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JamYoung | 
Korea soju_c 
how is outsiders 2nd while they won the major and beat heroic 2-0
2022-11-30 20:32
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#1
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Germany Germen
Because they failed to Pay 2 million bucks to Blast in order to get access to the Blast finals, so 2nd at major + Blast finals > major winners
2022-11-30 20:34
51 replies
+1
2022-11-30 20:35
3 replies
100% manipulation. Heroic 1st place? That's insane. And you will be told that this is how it should be. There will be people with Stogolm syndrome and so on....
2022-12-01 15:01
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#133
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Slovakia Kronvix
let outsiders proof in world final that they are no1
2022-12-01 19:41
1 reply
Yeah, or let's win the semi-blast and become top 1. How it happened.
2022-12-06 18:02
yes but this make no sense, ranking should be set on who win against who and who win the most important tournament
2022-11-30 20:35
27 replies
#7
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Germany Germen
yes and no, if you only look at who beats who then you easily get into situations where x beats y, y beats z, and z beats x. the ranking still makes sense generally, just this situation is a fug
2022-11-30 20:37
24 replies
thats why you have to count big tournaments in, and major is just the tournament that should set the best team in the world
2022-11-30 20:40
23 replies
#11
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Germany Germen
the thing is that the hltv ranking is not meant to be a power ranking. A power ranking shows the team that is the best at the moment, the hltv ranking is meant to show the team that is consistently the best
2022-11-30 20:42
BO3 finale proves nothing about the "best" team in the world.
2022-11-30 21:04
21 replies
if u are at the final of the major it means you beat all the best teams in the world
2022-11-30 21:05
20 replies
No, it doesn't. BO1 system can fuck a lot of best teams up.
2022-11-30 21:08
13 replies
after bo1 u have to go through bo3
2022-11-30 21:08
12 replies
And u lose 1 game and you're gone. If you were unlucky in BO1s and went 0:2.
2022-11-30 21:09
11 replies
thats why the best team in the world should win all bo1 and bo3 possible
2022-11-30 21:10
10 replies
I guess, but the system is still flawed. Because some weaker team can play against even weaker teams and get far into the major.
2022-11-30 21:11
9 replies
yes but the best team in the world shouldnt lose against weaker
2022-11-30 21:13
what type of tournament format would you recomment in a major?
2022-11-30 23:38
5 replies
street fight (no knifes, only fists) 5v5
2022-12-01 04:06
3 replies
#114
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Denmark JesusSG
+1 The Australian way
2022-12-01 08:59
2 replies
Come to Bra.. khm Australia
2022-12-01 12:50
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#124
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Denmark JesusSG
But i'm scared
2022-12-01 13:21
BO5/BO7 finale split in two days.
2022-12-01 10:06
Not reay there is kwng teams and bo3 would take too long when there so many games and everyone plays same rounds. Also major finals should be bo5 cause only best current team wouodnsurvive such big map pool. Means less flukes but also id say harder for inexpierenced teams
2022-12-01 14:28
1 reply
Just as I said, go for BO5 or BO7 split in two days. We could get some amazing comebacks from 0:3 to 4:3.
2022-12-01 23:44
#66
rain | 
Libya Planum
The best teams in the world? Fnc? Mouz?
2022-11-30 21:43
5 replies
#70
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Germany Germen
clearly 😎🤙
2022-11-30 21:54
funnily if the final brackets were switched, mouz would have probably gone on to be 2nd instead of heroic lol
2022-12-01 00:29
3 replies
mouz is not a good team
2022-12-01 03:24
2 replies
heroic isn't either
2022-12-01 03:43
1 reply
i didn’t see your flair. no point in arguing with a delusional no scener.
2022-12-01 03:45
#96
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
Power scaling doesnt work. If bne beats faze in a bo3, and faze has an era before that, then bne > peak faze. No no no
2022-12-01 03:36
the rankings aren't perfect because the circuit isn't perfect. HLTV does an okay job at breaking it down mathematically, but the issue is numbers don't reflect real world variables. The only conclusive way would be to have a consistent scheduled "season" with a points reset in the post season, but then there's the issue of who sanctions it, and if it's Valve, then at that point Valve needs to run an organized league of sorts
2022-12-01 05:00
#6
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Russia xtkjdtr0011
u ok? outsiders gonna be be there
2022-11-30 20:37
2 replies
#8
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Germany Germen
I'm talking about the Fall finals which led to Heroic being #1 now. Outsiders will be at the World Finals
2022-11-30 20:38
1 reply
Oh, didn't notice that it also had "finals" in name
2022-12-01 07:47
#13
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Europe Khanan
Not correct, blast didn’t want Russians. Not even cloud9 despite major org is there.
2022-11-30 20:45
14 replies
#15
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Germany Germen
The Blast circuit was created long before the war, not wanting russians isn't the reason, it's just that VP and C9(who didn't have a proper team when the Blast partners were announced) didn't get into the "franchise"
2022-11-30 20:48
13 replies
#17
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Europe Khanan
Wrong, it was announced months ago that Russian orgs are uninvited from blast events. You think it’s a coincidence Russians are missing from blast suddenly? Hahahaha, literally has 0 to do with money. *russian teams
2022-11-30 20:49
12 replies
#23
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Germany Germen
Outsiders and C9 would still have been allowed to play Blast, the only issue was russian orgs which wouldn't have been an issue here. If VP had been a partner team, I'm pretty positive that Outsiders could've competed as their replacement, the same way as they have with ESL
2022-11-30 20:55
11 replies
#29
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Europe Khanan
You think so but it’s not true. Outsiders complained not long ago that they don’t get many invites to tournament. One of those they complained about is of course blast. C9 or Gambit since war had same problem. Has nothing to do with org, Russian major teams are not invited for Blast, only exception with Outsiders that fluked major and now are invited to world finals. This is old news, also lol @ your “2 million” nonsense
2022-11-30 20:59
10 replies
#30
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Germany Germen
Nobody is invited to Blast dude. It is all partner teams or people who qualify to the showdown through various smaller qualifiers.
2022-11-30 21:00
7 replies
#36
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Europe Khanan
Then you’re wrong, there’s multiple ways to qualify for Blast and a team like C9 or Outsiders would’ve easily had the chance to do so, why do you think weaker teams qualified and two good teams didn’t? You’re naive bro. It’s a fact that Russian teams are not invited to blast events. End of story. Go google it
2022-11-30 21:03
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#41
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Germany Germen
There is exactly one way to qualify for Blast, it's the showdown. And it is not worth the effort for most teams
2022-11-30 21:05
4 replies
#45
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Europe Khanan
That’s wrong too, Fall Groups / Spring Group is the usual way for teams to qualify for the Final and Outsiders / C9 were not even invited to play there. :) Simply accept the facts. ESL is trash, they like to tolerate Russians. Because of $$$$
2022-11-30 21:07
3 replies
#46
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Germany Germen
Dude... The Fall groups and Spring groups only consist of partner teams which paid to get there, that is exactly my point...
2022-11-30 21:08
2 replies
#52
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Europe Khanan
Maybe, but C9 and Outsiders doesn’t even have the permission to play Showdown. Google outsiders interview, someone of outsiders mentioned that they don’t get many invites to tournaments. Russians are persona non grata, aside from ESL that are Putin understanders, nobody wants the problems and strange feeling.
2022-11-30 21:11
1 reply
Clown emoji
2022-12-01 07:48
C9 and Outsiders werent even invited to Open Qualifires though..
2022-12-01 00:29
If VP was a partner team, no way they would get blocked by blast.
2022-12-01 03:38
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#108
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Europe Khanan
Big if, blast didn’t want it since the war. And there is no VP either.
2022-12-01 04:12
#125
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Netherlands arTvamp
HahHahahaha yeah hltv ranking could be done better.
2022-12-01 14:23
#2
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Brazil tkoflame
because heroic won the next tournament and got more points
2022-11-30 20:34
true #1 determined at BLAST world final (faze)
2022-11-30 20:34
#10
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China RADNIKEY
Because Heroic has done more recently in terms of total results over a longer time period
2022-11-30 20:41
Yep, the hltv top has too much of a recency bias
2022-11-30 20:43
2 replies
Sometimes yeah but is that true in this case? I feel like the recency bias here would be keeping Outsiders #1 because they won the most recent Major, despite the fact that they've had a pretty mediocre year otherwise. Heroic came 2nd at the major, won the Fall Finals, and have generally placed better throughout the rest of the year than Outsiders, so them moving up isn't surprising. (Yes, flair checks out)
2022-12-01 00:35
It goes both ways. Big results are rewarded heavily, both on short term and long term. That's also why Astralis could still dominate the rankings although they intentionally skipped big event to prevent exhaustion and their tactics being stale. It isn't recency bias. If you wanted to make a good point, you could argue that the HLTV ranking doesn't take into account the teams that aren't there. But then again you also have teams whose playstyle matches other teams' playstyles well.. although they aren't necessarily at the same level of competitiveness in the scene. There is no easy solution to either scenario. Perhaps there is none at all.
2022-12-01 02:34
#14
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Europe Khanan
Outsiders had a lot of luck anyway. Fluke Major run
2022-11-30 20:47
22 replies
#57
NAF | 
Canada Bak2BED
Botus botcere is the true major fluke here. I mean who was on their way? Gambit youngsters back when they were still on liners? Heroic with 4 players attending their first major? G2 with JACKZ and aManek?
2022-11-30 21:27
19 replies
#59
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Europe Khanan
Lulquid fan malding here :D Navi most deserved major winner ever. Facts.
2022-11-30 21:29
18 replies
#63
NAF | 
Canada Bak2BED
Navi was playing in a low competition era, and the proof is that as soon as faze got better, Navi lost to them, and then they lost to cloud9, and then to g2, and then to liquid, and then to furia As soon as teams found better players botus botcere stopped winning anything.
2022-11-30 21:41
17 replies
#65
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Europe Khanan
Yea sure bro, Navi haters will always talk nonsense like that. Bye, keep hating and malding
2022-11-30 21:43
10 replies
#73
NAF | 
Canada Bak2BED
still havent provided a single argument other than "ur a hater"
2022-11-30 23:42
9 replies
#74
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Europe Khanan
Not interested in talking to a hater. :) haters gonna hate.
2022-12-01 00:24
8 replies
the only team navi beat was NiKo, hes not wrong.
2022-12-01 00:43
7 replies
#83
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Europe Khanan
He’s absolutely wrong , Navi 2021 was a very strong team. :)
2022-12-01 00:45
6 replies
#84
NAF | 
Canada Bak2BED
easy to look strong when every other team is looking weak
2022-12-01 00:53
5 replies
#85
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Europe Khanan
Nice try hater :) you’re jealous
2022-12-01 01:37
4 replies
jealous of who? p1mple? toxic guy who rages at even his friends and teammates?
2022-12-01 12:21
3 replies
#132
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Europe Khanan
Yes.
2022-12-01 19:35
2 replies
why would i be lol
2022-12-01 21:02
1 reply
#137
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Europe Khanan
All haters are the same
2022-12-01 22:06
#86
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Yugoslavia kingcys
Crazy how teams get better as time passes right? Such a crazy concept. Also, NaVi had one of the hardest major runs ever, beating Gambit, Vitality, and G2 in the playoffs. Astralis would not have been dominant against current teams either
2022-12-01 02:22
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#104
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Europe Khanan
+1
2022-12-01 04:10
gambit were onliners at that time vitality had bots like misutaaa and kyojin g2 had no dedicated awper wow such good teams!
2022-12-01 12:22
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#134
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Yugoslavia kingcys
Right now NaVi : stand in + war Cloud9 : Onliners Heroic: Onliners and comedians Outsiders: ok but not consistently challenging for wins Astralis: trash awper G2: HooXi and Aleksib NiP: REZ awping Vitality: apEX Spinx and dupreeh Wow so good scene. I don’t think you understand such a simple concept but teams are never perfect and always have issues, this fact will never change.
2022-12-01 21:00
2 replies
cis also have to deal with war, 0 iq excuse c9: won a lan heroic: won a lan + jabbi fits more than refrezh outsiders: won a major vitality: won a lan + spinx and dupreeh are better than kyojin and misutaaa you also ignored faze and liquid. this scene is highly competitive, much more than when navi won their fluke major
2022-12-02 00:06
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#141
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Yugoslavia kingcys
It’s “highly competitive” because everyone is trash just like in 2021 (except NaVi). If you want perfect teamplay your gonna be waiting a LONG time. So stop invalidating NaVi’s run
2022-12-02 00:22
0/8
2022-12-01 03:25
1 reply
#105
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Europe Khanan
2022-12-01 04:11
Teams that don't play after major will not rank anymore, only team that qualifie for blast Like Furia, probably will lose spot to og or g2 cuz g2 and og will play blast and furia dont
2022-11-30 20:58
#31
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
this is the same ranking system that put Vitality to #1 after they played shit for weeks and went 3-2 during the Challengers stage (teams that went straight to Legends from the RMR barely gained points in comparison). An hour later they were eliminated from the Major. It's been a mickey mouse ranking for like 6 months now...
2022-11-30 21:00
2 replies
Sums up my point of view. Outsiders lost 130 points for a tournament they couldnt play.
2022-12-02 00:46
+11
2022-12-02 01:00
#32
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Europe Khanan
There’s not a big difference between winning major or other S tier tournaments that are huge like Blast. Yea major is more worth but it’s not worth more than 1st and 2nd place. Outsiders is not good enough
2022-11-30 21:00
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wdym outsiders is not good enough, im sure out of 10 times outsiders beat heroic 7 at least
2022-11-30 21:02
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#38
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Europe Khanan
With that I mean not good enough to be on Rank 1. In general i think they are #5 at best. Heroic, faze, Navi, vitality are all better than Outsiders.
2022-11-30 21:04
5 replies
no outsiders is better than heroic for sure and vitality
2022-11-30 21:04
4 replies
#42
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Europe Khanan
Absolutely not. :)
2022-11-30 21:05
2 replies
for the moment its teh case as outsiders stomped heroic 2-0
2022-11-30 21:08
1 reply
#53
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Europe Khanan
For the moment it’s the case that Heroic is still better and #1 in rank. :)
2022-11-30 21:11
bro just because a team beat the current #1 team does not mean they are the #1, what is this logic? these ranking are a reflection of results and they are certainly not decided by one guy going “hm, i think this team would win against this team so they must be ranked higher”
2022-12-01 14:29
#79
ZywOo | 
France Alyta
Blast is Tier 2 Event Consider No major champios didnt play and another CIS strong
2022-12-01 00:31
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#80
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Europe Khanan
Wrong, it’s officially considered a S tier tournament. Doesn’t really matter what you think about it.
2022-12-01 00:33
cry 2nd at major and then winning the next T1 event= number 1 rank. not that hard to understand
2022-11-30 21:05
win many tournaments > win the biggest tournament. it seems
2022-11-30 21:23
#58
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Brazil hugoooo
HLTV ranking has been kinda of a joke for some time, their formula is not working at all
2022-11-30 21:29
topxuxa
2022-11-30 21:29
flukesiders should be outside top 10 wdym, heroic goats
2022-11-30 21:52
Danish bias
2022-11-30 21:53
Mickey mouse ranking.
2022-11-30 21:55
1 reply
lol
2022-12-01 12:24
Because rio major counts for less than other majors
2022-12-01 00:25
After Dust removal there is a chance that Heroic will be able to beat VP, so the ranking is not so wrong.
2022-12-01 00:30
heroic won blast
2022-12-01 02:21
yea they won the major let them be #1 for the rest of the year for that even if they dont win or paricipate in any more events smartest hltv user
2022-12-01 03:22
2 replies
They can’t attend this event cus it’s only a qualifier and they already qualified for the main thing months ago, you poopoohead Expected from a s0mple Stan I guess
2022-12-01 03:54
1 reply
navi qualified for the main event too? and they played here too? are you that stupid ? its not a qualifier its an event like every other event fucking americans dear god
2022-12-01 04:12
I think what he's asking is how did Outsiders lose 130 points. They had 1000 points after winning the major an they didnt play anywhere since, so they had 1000 points. Once Heroic won blast, Heroic got 1000 points while Outsiders somehow dropped to 870 points and to be honest I also have no clue where 130 poitns went to be honest, but i m probably not familiar with how it works ,but ya.
2022-12-01 03:27
2 replies
Its not points like that. The point are from 3 separate rankings. Form, LAN and achievements. So its 3 rankings combined into one, and Outsiders was #1 on form from the major (i assume) but not after Heroic was 2nd at the major and the blast win. You can see here: hltv.org/news/35077/outsiders-claim-no-1..
2022-12-01 07:52
1 reply
Ah k cool
2022-12-01 21:10
i don't understand how they lost 130 points in one week wtf and heroic boosted on 1000 points with that blast win WHAT
2022-12-01 03:29
1 reply
The points scale against points top 1 team. Still doesn't make sense that Outsiders Form and Lan points reduced so much when they just won last tournament they played.
2022-12-01 10:41
Anything that keeps the most boring player alive and his minions from #1 is welcomed. It doesn’t have to be logical or factual
2022-12-01 03:47
Ranking are irrelevant Jame time is now The dynasty is underway. Your favorite team is about to get nut stomped by VP/Outsiders until Jame retires to live on his alpaca farm
2022-12-01 09:24
Ranking in general is not too relevant: 1) paid invites give you ranking - even if you lose every single match on those paid invite tournaments you will still get ranking points - basically p2w 2) Tournament organizers not wanting Russian teams but being proudly sponsored by the most murderous sponsor ever - US Air Force which is directly responsible for millions of deaths since the WWII as they are the ones doing the actual killing. Not like Arabs Frankie talked about who pay to support - these guys do it. And they do war crimes, like them directly. Not like Russian players who happen to have a bad RNG of being spawned in some area - these guys chose to do it. It's all just out the window, we can watch CS for the fun of matches but ranking is irrelevant apart from teams trying to score sponsorships based off of it.
2022-12-01 14:39
They were #1 before Blast ended XD
2022-12-01 14:42
The guy who is behind the ranking system is absolutely clueless. Imagine being Outsiders, winning the major, being first place and after a fucking blast event (which shouldn't be considered as a s tier lan with just 8 teams and shit format) heroic takes the nr. 1 spot from them. Not that the players should even care about it, but the concept itself is pretty brain-dead.
2022-12-01 22:14
the real crime is faze jumping back to #3 despite sucking ass for the past 5 months
2022-12-02 00:29
and faze jumped 5 spots? hltv rankings are so weird past few months, way too many changes that makes absolutely no sense. outsiders had 484 points, winning major -> 1000 points, then down to 870 for not participating at all, and heroic went from 755 to 1000, and all of that because of a small tournament. this makes absolutely no sense at all, I have no idea what happened this year, but it's like: "hey x, you won a tournament, here take the first spot for a week, next week you'll go down ok?"
2022-12-02 00:54
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