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Navi at Blast World Final
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Italy alastt27 
I already made a similar thread about navi at Fall Final, where I said they will not even make top 4, and Heroic or Liquid will win. I call this again, bettors, don't bet on navi, fans, don't have high expectations, it's not worth it. I have this feeling since Fall Final, first time in 4 years I don't see navi as title contenders at all, trust me. Why? -s1mple is not grinding the game, he only goes to parties according to faceit and instagram, he will obv keep up his insane 1.2 rating, -+nipl is a really bad move that won't change anything, he is a 1.07 academy player, this should tell you a lot. -I have a lot of experience watching navi b1t is the only reason they might win, bc he is grinding cs a lot lately, and with a4 buff he may surprise. Outsiders 45% win FaZe 40% win Heroic 35% win Liquid 30% win Vitality 30% win, depends on GodwOo, he may carry them and it may become a 60% chance for them to win Thoughts?
2022-12-04 20:58
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nice math Vitality 0% btw
2022-12-04 20:59
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#5
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Italy alastt27
depends on ZywOo
2022-12-04 21:02
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botality 0% lose to outsiders lose to OG
2022-12-04 21:29
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Outsiders majors champs?and they never lost against og.
2022-12-05 04:41
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i meant vitality lose to outsiders and vitality lose to OG outsiders wont lose to OG
2022-12-05 04:42
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When they lost against og? And outsiders r major champs so what's ur point they strong team afterall.
2022-12-05 04:42
zywoo 1.7 rating apex 1 rating and ez
2022-12-04 21:30
Vita can win if spinx,zywoo and magisk steps up like they did in epl.
2022-12-05 04:40
Since Heroic have k0nfig as stand-in for Stavn, i'd reckon 30% at max, with stavn i would have shared it equally 40% with Outsiders, FaZe and Heroic
2022-12-04 21:01
outsiders too high
2022-12-04 21:01
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#6
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Italy alastt27
major winners
2022-12-04 21:02
8 replies
The only legit top 10 team they beat was heroic (and vita in bo1)
2022-12-04 21:07
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So they did beat 2 out of 5 other. Teams
2022-12-04 21:10
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they will lose to vita in a bo3, botapex learned that he does not need to push through smoke when he loses 12-14
2022-12-04 21:20
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They lost to Ence I don’t think I need to say more
2022-12-04 21:28
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Zywoo had game off. Grayhound>c9 confirmed?
2022-12-04 21:39
1 event
2022-12-04 21:54
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#66
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Italy alastt27
they actually won Heroic in that final, with ease, and Heroic won blast fall.
2022-12-04 21:56
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1 match is even worse than 1 event
2022-12-04 22:00
npl is a 1.07 rated 17-year old entry fragger if I'm not mistaken. That's a major difference to being a 1.07 rated star player. Na'Vi need a strong aggressive presence so that electroNic and b1t no longer need to be as aggressive. Boombl4's aggression allowed them to be passive. Npl can do the same. s1mple is impossible to gauge. He seems unmotivated, lazy, distracted, but still often posts ridiculous games. Which doesn't excuse his attitude lately, but you can never count him out.
2022-12-04 21:01
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#7
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Italy alastt27
Academy Leagues is not even top 40 teams, t5 at best. And he is not that much of an hard entry like nafany or YEKINDAR
2022-12-04 21:04
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Both of those are pretty unfair comparisons. He's not a hard entry like one player who dies in untradeable situations often and is heavily suggested to be replaced in C9 or the current best entry fragger and one of the most impactful players in CSGO rn. He's 17, aggressive, and can free up electroNic and b1t even just some-what more than they currently are. Re-unlocking electroNic and b1t is the key to Na'Vi's success, not an amazing 5th player. You're writing him off before he's even played 1 map. b1t came from the same academy. as did m0nesy. 1.07 rating as an entry is impressive in today's Academy scene. Bearing in mind how many academy players are now on tier 1 players, or playing very well at tier 2 and 3.
2022-12-04 21:07
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now on tier 1 teams*
2022-12-04 21:08
#19
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Italy alastt27
b1t played like 5-6 times against academy teams, he mostly played against t2-3, and had like 1.15 rating. m0nesy had 1.4 rating which is not even comparable with nipl. xertioN is 1.06 rating, JDC 0.99, torzsi, 1.02 approximately. So yeah. nipl is definetely good, but not for navi, maybe some cis t2 team. Navi are certified strong t1, nipl is a kid without experience and without impressive mechanic skills, they obviously considered him only bc he is ukrainian. look at Kvem, the guy is also an entry, and he drops 1.17 rating vs t2-3 consistently, ukrainian too.
2022-12-04 21:13
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I myself said Kvem would be a great addition. I also said it should be a player like HObbit or s1ren, and then b1t should hard entry with his precision aim. If npl is a noticeable improvement over sdy, which I think he will be, then that will allow for b1t and electroNic to go back to playing some roles and positions they used to and were more comfortable in (with the exception of electroNic IGL'ing) I believe that will be what allows for Na'Vi to be scary again.
2022-12-04 21:15
Italians with Navi Flair always good takes :)
2022-12-04 21:05
#9
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Finland HARD4ENCE
From what I've seen from NaVi this year I fail to see them be anywhere close to winning this tournament.
2022-12-04 21:05
wow amazing maths 180-210% total chances for teams to win and rest of the team 0%
2022-12-04 21:05
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#14
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Italy alastt27
I just wrote the chances that every teams has out of 100%, for everyone separately, it it that hard to understand?
2022-12-04 21:08
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No that doesn't make sense, I am an actuary and I can tell you this is bad math
2022-12-04 21:17
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#28
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Italy alastt27
2022-12-04 21:19
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internet rule no 1 dont argue about math with asian
2022-12-04 21:33
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haha true, Asians are crazy!
2022-12-04 21:37
#53
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Italy alastt27
it's not even about math, just logic
2022-12-04 21:39
Still doesn't make any sense.
2022-12-04 21:21
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#31
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Italy alastt27
Outsiders 45/100% win FaZe 40/100% win Heroic 35/100% win Liquid 30/100% win Vitality 30/100% win maybe now, everyone but you 2 understood.
2022-12-04 21:23
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Lol I understand what you tried to say. It just literally makes no sense
2022-12-04 21:27
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#40
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Italy alastt27
it's just the chance separately for every team to WIN, you don't have to think about the other teams, if I say FaZe and Outsiders have together 85%, I can't say Heroic, Liquid and Vitality have 5% to win each, this is what makes no sense, bc obviously all 5 have similar chances to win.
2022-12-04 21:33
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yeah that's why they don't have a 85% chance to win together. That's not how chances work.
2022-12-04 21:33
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#46
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Italy alastt27
no man, you are the one who applied this logic, I know that is not how the chances work, bc as I said, I applied the chance for all the team separately
2022-12-04 21:35
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that's not how chances work
2022-12-04 21:35
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#52
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Italy alastt27
really?
2022-12-04 21:38
#60
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Italy alastt27
2022-12-04 21:48
+1
2022-12-04 21:34
I guess he probably didn't take the statistics course in college
2022-12-04 21:25
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in school
2022-12-04 21:36
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#56
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Italy alastt27
2022-12-04 21:44
#54
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Italy alastt27
let's say FaZe and Outsiders have 45% each, it doesn't mean Navi and Liquid have only 5% to win each, lol, it's not exact maths, it's esport, where everything is not that clear. You made shit out of nothing.
2022-12-04 21:42
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But there can only be a total of 100% for the chances of the teams to win no matter if it's esports or maths. And there will never be 2 teams with 45% chance to win a tournament.
2022-12-04 21:52
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#65
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Italy alastt27
I understand what you are talking about, what I wrote is more of a rating than precise maths. chances to win of Heroic, FaZe and Outsiders are above 30%(and you can't say it's less than 30), no one is favourite here, but that doesn't mean all the other teams have chances of winning under 2%. No sense.
2022-12-04 21:55
So then faze and outsiders don't have 45% each? ??????????
2022-12-04 21:58
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#69
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Italy alastt27
no, that's just an example of exact maths, that will make no sense in the context of my thread.
2022-12-04 21:59
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Then the context of the thread makes no sense
2022-12-04 22:02
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#73
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Italy alastt27
as I mentioned, what I wrote is not exact maths, just a rating.
2022-12-04 22:03
#59
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Italy alastt27
obviously FaZe and Heroic have the higher chances to win, clearly around 40+%, but that doesn't mean navi, vitality and Liquid have chances to win under 7%, like wtf are you saying? :DDDD That makes no sense.
2022-12-04 21:48
#15
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Uganda Tby17Q
I think G2 is winning this one
2022-12-04 21:09
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Got2 percent to win
2022-12-04 21:12
#21
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Italy alastt27
with Hooxi, I really don't believe they can win anything.
2022-12-04 21:13
0/8
2022-12-04 21:10
bro said 45% on outsiders to win
2022-12-04 21:13
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#22
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Italy alastt27
Heroic won the last tournament, and they got demolished by Outsiders, obvious favourites. And it's not that I said 70% like I would say for 2021 navi.
2022-12-04 21:15
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cant really say that outsiders are a better team than heroic just cuz they beat them in one game
2022-12-04 21:31
Outsiders much lower than 45%, had easiest bracket at major
2022-12-04 21:18
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#27
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Italy alastt27
they still won HEroic with ease, and Heroic won the last event.
2022-12-04 21:18
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True, but we all know 1 match doesn't mean shit, we'll see
2022-12-04 21:19
45 + 40 + 35 + 30 + 30 = 180%
2022-12-04 21:28
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#44
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Italy alastt27
2022-12-04 21:34
#38
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Sweden cslipo
Nice percentage there, average navi fan.
2022-12-04 21:31
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#43
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Italy alastt27
2022-12-04 21:34
lmfaooo
2022-12-04 21:35
Why is outsiders so high?? I get they're major winners but I don't think you understand, they deserve the major yes, but its a fluke, not because of them, but because of every top team, literally shitting the bed like never before. They will not win this event
2022-12-04 21:42
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#57
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Italy alastt27
that's just a rating of chances, it maybe lower or higher, also I didn't say it's 70% or something like that, no clear favourite here
2022-12-04 21:44
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You're right about no clear favourites but 45% is still high for a team that won 1 event this year and nothing signifact in t1 otherwise especially with the circumstances at the major.
2022-12-04 21:51
People are not expecting vitality to win it and I think since they’re under the radar they will suprise mark my words. As long as zywoo does what he did at epl and put a 1.5 rating they are winning it
2022-12-04 21:44
nice math
2022-12-04 21:53
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#67
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Italy alastt27
#54 #59 It's not math, just rating.
2022-12-04 21:57
#70
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Turkey Joper
I think Liquid has 50 chance
2022-12-04 21:59
Should be an easy win for FaZe but it all depends on the bracket. Hope to see Outsiders vs Liquid/FaZe/NaVi.
2022-12-04 22:14
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