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look at this rating past 3 months 0.97.. in Team Vitality.
Has any player other than zywoo reach a consistent rating above 1.15+ Playing for Vitality???
Team needs to stop working around 1 player and instead have management/coach adjust team synergy.
hypothetically speaking, top players like device or s1mple could join vitality and still suffer a below .98 rating
What is really going on over there?
> hypothetically speaking, top players like device or s1mple could join vitality and still suffer a below .98 rating
wat
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Bit delusional this guy:D
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But vitality doesnt really play around zywoo. Ofc he has the most freedom as the awper and the player with the best gamesense next to s1mple. But I dont think their game is built around him at all, if it wpuld be they would propably not suck that much at most tourneys tbh. S1mple/device would surely haveore than 0.9ish ratings on this roster
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I dont really know how they got it but the thing is the more it will be just around 1 player the more they will suck.
Same as it was back in 2019 or 2020 around s1mple and the more they had the plan around others as well (still s1mple is Main guy because he is the nest and because he is awper) they started to be better even when b1t wasnt there yet
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but there the game was really just built around s1mple, as it was around zywoo with as alex was igl but with apex the game was never built around zywoo as far as i could see it. Ofc he has freedom as awp and best/2nd best player in the world but its not like everyone is dropping guns to him and running in so he can trade. Also playing around just one player doesnt really work anymore imo. Vitalitys individuals just have to start shooting back sometimes, as dumb as it sounds:D But if they lose most 1v1 duels they wont win. Also they kinda have to fix throwing away rounds. But who am I to judge:D
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I think its not like NAVI were throwing guns to s1mple he was actually a lot of time ceiticized because he was dropping AKs to Zeus while he was playing with deagle.
Yes you cant play like that anymore thats why I was surpriced you said: “ I dont think their game is built around him at all, if it wpuld be they would propably NOT suck that much at most tourneys tbh. ”
Because I think if they would play just around ZywOo the would suck even more.
I think they have good players just Astralis players yes its not 2018/19 anymore but maybe they played differently they did relly on device so much maybe. Same with spinx he was star in ence and as soon as he kliknes vitality he dropped off because he has to play differentelly its not like he suddenly forgot how to shoot :D
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"Yes you cant play like that anymore thats why I was surpriced you said: ' I dont think their game is built around him at all, if it wpuld be they would propably NOT suck that much at most tourneys tbh. '"
-that is a bit contradictive i guess. I shouldve said that you wont be the best team in the world if you play like that, ofc you will win games and be competetive if you have players like zywoo or s1mple who you play around.
But thats the thing, spinx was so good on ence because he got multikills where he shouldnt but lately he doesnt even get one there ... But im sure he will get out of his slump and perform sooner or later:D
Blame apex he doesn't know how to use spinx properly,snappi in vita would had made spinx lot better overall.
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why would snappi downgrade?
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0\8 bait.
Even though they lost to Ence they didn’t go 1-4 and win 2 maps and lose 8
blaming zywoo for no reason
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Exactly its a new team spinx will get hang of eventually.
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+1
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I saw flair, realized its a bait.
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Spinx is a very talented player who needs guidance, mehcanics are on point, his decision making is what botheres me the most. Sometimes watching mistakes that he makes is laughable to the point of asking yourself "how does this guy plays on top 5 team", but on the other hand he can compensate some of them with raw aim. He can be the next niko under the right leadership, apex has not been doing well even after the danishmen came, his playstyle remained the same, team structure still surrounding zywoo, but not the to the degree it did before, now they have the "structure" trio behind them (magisk, dupreeh, zonic) . Spinx is that missing peace that needs to be unlocked for vitality to become the definitie number 1
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Zywoo has never had a proper t1 star player who is consistently good to play with him
People can say Magisk, Dupreeh, and Spinx. But the truth is these players arent the definition of consistent t1 star material.
Take spinx for example. 2022 is his breakout year with Ence. But he hasnt shown any level of star material consistency over the span of 2-3 years. He only has a small sample size with just one team. He also struggles against top 5 teams statistically
As of Magisk and Dupreeh, they are not in their prime and its obvious to see. Magisk's highest peak is with North when he was the main star and Astralis. Same with Dupreeh. Before joining Vitality they are already struggling individually especially with the departure of Device
I would like to see someone in a calibre of Niko, Ropz, or Electronic join Vitality. Just top top players who have withstand the test of time and are consistently good no matter what
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cope
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There was a time in ence where he dropped 30+ every 2nd map, so at his peak he had a consistency and stats that were top 5
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What is the actual problem with spinx when he faces top tier opposition? Is it confidence or too easily counterable?
I don't watch spinx that much but his aim is always sharp when I do
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at the start he was hitting insane flanks, but i feel like he kinda lost some of his confidence to go for those plays
he just needs some more time to get used to the enviroment and to build this confidence again
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sometimes u can see its just protocols, when i watch vita dust every time the other team does mid push spinx push long and more stuff like this that make him predictable
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yeah true
zywOo is one of the starplayer who sacrifice himself the most, apex never give him the one man army gun for exemple, he open way more than other stars, like in banana in inf for exemple, vita is not a team working around zywOo (like in 2019) anymore
man i love him but spinx is maybe poorly use by apex, but he have been pretty bad in many situations too past couple month sadly
This is what happens when a good player plays with the biggest baiter in the scene
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"Team needs to stop working around 1 player"
they played around 1 player when alex was there. they dont play around zywoo for ages anymore and he actually sacrifices himself quite a lot for the team...
not rly sure whats the problem with spinx tho
Zonic+apex can't use the individuals in the right way, that's what is really going on there
apex and zywoo = ruinning players machine
Non French players need to save them from Vitality.
its kinda zywoo being the "star" and getting all the best positions and roles + spinx getting alot of new positions on many maps
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he tilts, he trolls, he is a clown,he is very stubborn as u can see in clips that him and zonic just do not connect, most of the time they got different opinions on how and where they should play a round, he is 50% of the csgo scene and also bf with Zywoo(the reason why he is still in the team, also the reason why Zywoo can not win a major), yes yes he has 1 major when KennyS was carrying him like a baby, other then that carried by KQLY(legit player) and now by Zywoo, altough i think in the future he would be a great coach(he has loads of passion for the game)
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apex's skills and his ego are on the opposite side of the spectrum.
His peeks are something even GN player wouldn't do and he does not learn from mistakes - he keeps peeking 9 angles at the time and ofc getting punished.
When his ego and mental stability line up he can be formidable but that's rare and that's not something I would put in a team that's made to win.
Also, if you listen to their comms videos, it's magisk who makes great calls, and dupreeh. Apex just yells and repeats what others say.
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I remember an interview once where he made several bad pushes like he usually does with bad calls on top of that and he said the reason they lost was because the enemies shot them inthe head better
Usually when you make a bad play and you lose because of it it sticks out like a sore thumb and it's all you think about after the game. Either apexs ego doesn't want to admit he fucked up or hes just bad at reflection
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he calls it a feeling based counter strike, but I can't seem to believe in his sanity when all it takes it 5 flashes in his face over couple of rounds for him to have a meltdown and start playing like a bot.
I cannot help but think he takes the same approach to in game leading and it devolves just into everyone baiting for zywoo.
I do agree on your point because for the past 4+ years it does not look like apex has learned a single thing - same approach.
And how would you prep against vita? I would take first 5 rounds and ignore them, just buy 10 flashes and throw them ALL at apex. Icing on the cake is if you force him to burn while flashed, that's an instant nuclear meltdown.
He plays like a rabid dog, no offense, but his feeling is all about pushing and fighting without a single thought of consequences, so I don't think it's hard to do. Then you play 4v5.
I just cannot fathom how someone with such severe mental instability could be appointed in such roles, sure ego gets you far in life and he has enough to spare, but best IGL's are cerebral people. Apex does not strike me as that, or anywhere near that. He just wins based off of his ego...
Honestly I am surprised Magisk didn't punch him in the face as he looks like a guy with a very low tolerance for bs
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nice joke, we see what is happening when his team is bad
No one play for zywoo .. he is best to go Third or even last like any awper and cause he is the best clutcher in the World ,even if he entry also sometimes and IS their best open kill player.. problem is apex and no entry frager, dupreeh is trash lot of the Times .
Zywoo would play entry , apex and dupreeh rating would still be trash and maybe spinx also
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He lie they fed spinx pills to hypnotize the poor man hornets are not real!
he is the lurker which is usually the best role but his positions changed on basically all maps and he doesnt have the same kind of freedom he did in ENCE
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apex is 100% capping or then spinx just isnt the same player that left ence. in ence he liked to take all kinds of duels no matter where but in vitality he feels so passive and just sitting on site instead of going for those duels
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It’s apeX’s fault and no one else’s , the guy utilised spinx like a retard
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atleast he won epl this time
yes. vitality needs to stop playing for 1 player.. apex
Do you realize how hard it is to have a consistent 1.15+ rating playing with a guy like zywoo who always gets a guaranteed 1.25+ ?
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The better your main carry is, the better your stats are
If the carry can manufacture openings then it means the worse players have an easier job knowing where the next fight can be
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zywoo/s1mple roles aren't entrying
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hltv.org/stats/lineup/players/openingkil..
Zywoo does entry a lot for Vitality.
1.15 to high maybe 1.05 better
Spinx should come back to Ence and replace one of our riflers. I don't know who though. Maybe valde? Idk rly.
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yes, valde replaced spinx, too bad we can't see this roster with sunpayus + spinx and spinx wasting his talent on a team like botality,getting baited by zywoo every round
did u see him playing? he just playing bad
spinx was overated for most people around here, he plays new map and positions this doesn t help, also Apex use him badly so it feels like apex is not that bad... apex is that kind of guy with big ego .
Apex think ok everyone think i m shit.. now spinx play star role and what? he is not even better than me ! apex is trash with too much ego
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