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Most undeserved kicks / benches
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Poland infamouss__ 
What are the most undeserved kicks or benches for you? My picks: -Boombl4 -interz -NBK -AMANEK
2023-01-18 09:42
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#1
GIGA | 
Sweden murii
shit picks except godmanek
2023-01-18 09:43
9 replies
#2
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Poland infamouss__
why?
2023-01-18 09:46
7 replies
#28
jemi | 
Finland FISHEY
why should they keep drug user boombl4 when he chose his shit wife over his teammates
2023-01-18 11:57
6 replies
They could suggest his wife to not post such things that praise Russia and help boomich to quit drugs, simple as that
2023-01-18 12:35
5 replies
#35
jemi | 
Finland FISHEY
Damn if things were so simple and worked out that easily
2023-01-18 12:40
Why tf would the org have to help him with these things??? Should they help him change his diapers too? These things are his responsibility to fix, not the orgs
2023-01-18 12:44
3 replies
Even though i like NaVi, i don't like their approach to these type of situations. For example there are orgs that seem more friendly towards players, like coL (Jason Lake quickly reached out to oBo's parents while he was posting this weird shit on his twitter ) Edit: oBo was already a former coL player, but still had some connections with them
2023-01-18 12:53
2 replies
1. Obo is a teenager 2. He was posting all sorts of creepy/suicidal shit, which is quite a bit more serious than a dumbass getting played by a gold digger Boombl4 is a grownass man, who should be able to keep his own life in check
2023-01-18 12:57
1 reply
#72
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Canada Augment
Thank you for some fucking common sense. People can’t seem to understand accountability and being a grown ass man.
2023-01-18 15:42
+1
2023-01-18 13:15
-norbert
2023-01-18 09:47
1 reply
the only correct answer
2023-01-18 16:47
Astralis -k0nfig -Bubzkji -es3tag MOUZ -STYKO -Snax -Bymas ENCE -Aleksib Cloud9 -Zellsis Gambit -Zeus North -Magisk -k0nfig FaZe -NEO -karrigan Envy -kioShiMa fnatic -pronax -Lekr0 NiP -device -f0rest -nawwk Vitality -RpK -Nivera Virtus.pro -SANJI Evil Geniuses -oBo -MICHU
2023-01-18 09:57
1 reply
pretty much an awful list
2023-01-18 20:55
sanji, bymas. They got benched right after they qualified for major I think. IMO thats undeserved
2023-01-18 09:50
13 replies
Bymas was bad.
2023-01-18 09:58
12 replies
Should’ve benched him before they qualified for the major then
2023-01-18 09:59
4 replies
+1 he was a reason for low succsess for mouz tbh. He's not a bad player just wrong team for him.
2023-01-18 10:00
3 replies
your average player tho, i think he would be alright for a team like gamerlegion, complexity or grayhound
2023-01-18 16:33
2 replies
ok average player tho Yes for GamerLegion/Col and GH he's ok but not for team as MOUZ
2023-01-18 16:47
1 reply
yes, it seems like even jdc brings more to the team xd
2023-01-18 17:23
#25
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Europe Putin69
It's not like JDC is better
2023-01-18 11:43
1 reply
As results shows he's better
2023-01-18 11:50
BYMAS IS GOD WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT?
2023-01-18 15:27
4 replies
Look at him on mouz, he was average
2023-01-18 15:30
3 replies
he had potential to be better expecially after him performance in cologne
2023-01-18 17:02
2 replies
Yes he is, but he got benched and never played as a loan. I hope he will be free soon and can play again.
2023-01-18 17:03
1 reply
like rain is going to miss blast so maybe they bring bymas as a stand in he is been griding in fpl...at least was 1 month ago or more
2023-01-18 18:49
#9
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Italy ksyingo
-maj3r -xfloud -calyx
2023-01-18 10:02
2 replies
and eventually they are in EF once again, Turkish vs is very weird
2023-01-18 10:41
1 reply
#68
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Hungary kushh_
it's not weird since they are a turkish only team. there are like 8-10 turks who may be on the required tier 2 level at least, their replacements was even worse and woxic said gg so totally understandable. This was meant to be a superteam, but it can't be done with only 1 good player (XANTARES) and 1 player between tier1-2 (woxic) and 3 bots.
2023-01-18 15:30
#10
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France iatis
-nbk -apex -mixwell in G2. The team were making progress, and just succeed to qualify for a big event. G2 decides to remove them just before the event (kind of unfair), to replace them by Shox who were injured just before, Smithz who were out of form since he was coach for a bit more of a year, and Ex6tenz as a stand in. From outside, one of the most unfair and silly decision i saw in the top scene. hltv.org/news/23845/shox-returns-to-g2-a..
2023-01-18 10:08
2 replies
#16
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Australia Breeww
Forgot about this, french rosters back then just were completely crazy
2023-01-18 10:42
Yeah that was stupid
2023-01-18 15:35
-maj3r -calyx
2023-01-18 10:17
aleksi in ence... finnish fans left traumatized
2023-01-18 10:24
aleksib from ence
2023-01-18 10:27
7 replies
+1
2023-01-18 10:43
#63
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Czech Republic Solace_
+1
2023-01-18 15:18
+1
2023-01-18 15:42
#76
valde | 
Finland Viliz
+1
2023-01-18 15:48
+1
2023-01-18 15:55
#84
dupreeh | 
Seychelles uho
Just realized that every ENCE player had vanished
2023-01-18 16:52
1 reply
all finish* except coach
2023-01-19 09:19
#14
tory | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo
Why everyone saying interz is undeserved? I mean I wouldn't replace him with buster probably, but he was underwhelming. There is a limit to what can be excused by the support label.
2023-01-18 10:29
MAJ3R CALYX XFLOUD
2023-01-18 10:49
#19
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Germany Teuton1813
Big Boom. Instead of helping and supporting him they ruined his CS career and ruined their own team. Stupid NAVI.
2023-01-18 10:50
4 replies
#29
jemi | 
Finland FISHEY
support drugs
2023-01-18 11:58
3 replies
#43
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Germany Teuton1813
Support in the sense of helping him get clean and do rehab.
2023-01-18 12:57
2 replies
He chose war supporting gf (who has interesting past with multiple interesting videos online) over his ukrainian teammates.
2023-01-18 13:46
1 reply
#59
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Germany Teuton1813
They are not together anymore, right? Bring Big Boom Back #BBBB
2023-01-18 14:29
amanek and aleksib
2023-01-18 10:57
Aleksib from ENCE and G2 as well
2023-01-18 10:58
5 replies
aleksib in G2 was just not working one bit, that was a logical move, everyone on the team became better the instant hooxi took over
2023-01-18 11:05
2 replies
Imo it's because of -Jackz +jks
2023-01-18 12:52
1 reply
Ahh yes definitely because they replaced the aggressive space maker with a lurker not because the IGL was changed who made lots of changes to how G2 played the game.
2023-01-18 13:42
Probably right, Aleksib is a good igl
2023-01-18 11:35
1 reply
#53
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United Kingdom Jawsome159
He's a great IGL but by the end it was pretty clear that his style didn't mesh with the rest of the team. That iteration of G2 just wasn't the team for him imo, hope he does well on NIP.
2023-01-18 13:30
#22
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World NukestrikE
amanek and aleksib
2023-01-18 11:01
Nivera by far. Best teammate ZywOo ever had, and they got rid of him over misutaa or Kyojin when 6 man rosters were banned.
2023-01-18 12:10
5 replies
#31
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France Barburo
And why do you think he was kicked ?
2023-01-18 12:17
4 replies
Because 6 man rosters were "banned" and he was the 6th man. They didn't want to bother with integrating him in the main line-up and gambled on Kyojin as a promising young talent instead. Kyojin turned out to be a pugger and far from ready for pro play, becoming one of the lowest rated Vitality players. Meanwhile Nivera had the second highest rating, second to ZywOo, and has proven to be an incredibly valuable asset, topping the stat leaderboard on every event he was utilised on. He proved to be one of the most consistent and impactful 6th players at that time.
2023-01-18 12:33
3 replies
#41
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France Barburo
Do you really think they prefered gambled with an unproved subtop french player only knowned for cheating in his youth despised by whole french community at this time while they had an already signed consitent good second awp/rifler ? Nothing to do with Nivera toxicity and communication problems ?
2023-01-18 12:53
2 replies
I have never heard anybody comment on Nivera's attitude. On the other hand, I specifically remember Kyojin having a lot of trouble with communication. The only source for those Nivera rumours is KRL, who is a well known drama queen in the french scene. So every rumour taken from him should be taken with a considerable pinch of salt.
2023-01-18 13:20
1 reply
#54
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France Barburo
I hadn't ever said Kyojin was a better choice, it was the first nail in the coffin for Vitality, i would have love that Nivera and Vita worked, it didnt. You must be a fool to think Vita prefered to pick Kyo over Nivera without reasons.
2023-01-18 13:35
#32
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Finland PiapA
Obviously -Aleksib in ENCE
2023-01-18 12:18
chrisJ in mouz
2023-01-18 12:44
How noone is mentioning Bubzkji is crazy to me. Homie was promised to get to play his roles, only to be forced to play some weird support/bitch role, while being the most promising rifler they had. Then proceeds to get benched for xyp and only occasionally getting to play Nuke (with roles he doesn't like), then gets put back on the roster when Gla1ve's kid was on his way, carries them through the rmr and gets them qualified for the major, only to then get benched again for Gla1ve. He then proceeded to be benched for the remainder of his time on the team and then gets kicked. Astralis destroyed his career.
2023-01-18 12:50
2 replies
+1 my thoughts exactly. Especially at his age. They did him really dirty.
2023-01-18 13:00
Yea he was very promising player astralis destroyed him
2023-01-18 15:19
-paz
2023-01-18 12:58
3 replies
Overall any roster moves in EF are unreasonable :v
2023-01-18 15:10
2 replies
-woxic is reasonable
2023-01-18 20:20
1 reply
he benched himself though
2023-01-18 20:24
Honestly with this team and monesy in it I wouldn't bet on JKS being a better option than Amanek. Amanek got fucked when his role was tied up, when he was free Amanek was one of the most insane and smartest players around. SDY got kicked over nothing, Lucky got fucked in Astralis, many would say Bubzkji but I think it's partially his fault from his interviews. For interz I think it's more about him wanting to leave, moving to a different continent is not for everyone. Shox was doing really good in Vitality, him being kicked was a mistake because he could be an IGL and orders of magnitude better than Apex will ever be. Shox does a lot of mid rounds, that's a real shame.
2023-01-18 13:03
4 replies
Jks is 2.5 years younger and has a much higher ceiling plus his addition allowed hunter to transition into a much more impactful T side role
2023-01-18 13:09
3 replies
I was more focused on the fact that Amanek was given the awp, not his preferred role. Doing JKS role which is an anchor with some lurks is something I see him being good at because there is space there. But that depends on a team, Amanek is a smart player and is good with mid round calling and it could be the "too many cooks in the kitchen" kind of thing with Hooxi and Niko doing a lot of it and trying to enable monesy to do it more and more. Hunter is also doing it, think Hooxi mentioned that Hunter manages A site on inferno.
2023-01-18 13:13
2 replies
I think communication is a place where jks would be preferred. I have a theory that any international team needs 1 native speaker of the teams language in order to be elite. Faze are the only proven elite level international team and they have Twistzz so I guess I need to see one more become elite before I can say for sure lol
2023-01-18 13:20
1 reply
That's a sound theory and it makes some sense that someone can help with that as a native English speaker.
2023-01-18 13:36
-interz -Aleksib -mantuu -XTQZZZ -Nivera
2023-01-18 13:07
we could still have nawwk in nip :(
2023-01-18 13:38
#60
vicu | 
Russia 7ssk7
-shox and -nivera is what destroyed vitality. Shox as igl >> apex
2023-01-18 14:33
STYKO from mouz
2023-01-18 15:13
#65
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Brazil refmonster
-taco in SK/MIBR
2023-01-18 15:22
Amanek, pour guy was one of the best anchor and one of the smartest player and he had to do AWPing
2023-01-18 15:33
-norbert ofc
2023-01-18 15:40
4 replies
#74
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France Zywalrus
was gonna say him wasnt he doing decently during whole rio major?
2023-01-18 15:44
3 replies
maybe they just wanted a firepower upgrade, what we can definitely call +Kair0n, Qikert is a support in outsiders, they don't need 2 of them
2023-01-18 15:48
1 reply
#77
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France Zywalrus
i guess, but they won the major with the firepower they already have just seems preemptive but we will see how it works out
2023-01-18 15:50
Yeah he was solid, deffo not the best player of the team but he was doing his job alright
2023-01-18 16:46
-estag
2023-01-18 16:04
#87
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United Kingdom FNC_TOP_1
smooya
2023-01-18 17:05
1 reply
True
2023-01-18 17:08
#90
broky | 
Sri Lanka Emu1
I would say konfig. Because with konfig and blameF, device can literally won a major. If they stick up to Astralis till this day
2023-01-18 17:31
2 replies
after this infamous fight he also wished to part ways with astralis, it was a mutual agreement, but he was still probably pressed by astralis to leave. but yeah, blameF and k0nfig = very good chemistry and k0nfig in good form can be a monster in entry-fragging
2023-01-18 20:51
1 reply
#98
broky | 
Sri Lanka Emu1
+1
2023-01-19 23:04
#96
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Croatia Sroljo662
nexa g2, absolutely agree with amanek, aleksib ence
2023-01-18 21:40
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