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GOATS of Sports
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Germany HLTVHISTORIAN 
This is 100% unbiased 1. Football (soccer) = Lionel Andres Messi (no arguments) 2. NBA (basketball) = Michael Jeffrey Jordan (no arguments) 3. NFL (handegg) = Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (no arguments) 4. F1 (racing) = Michael Schumacher (arguments for Hamilton, Senna) 5. UFC (mma) = Jon Bones Jones (arguments for GSP, Silva) 6. Tennis = Novak Djokovic (arguments for Roger, Nadal) 7. NHL (hockey) = Wayne Gretzky (no arguments) 8. Golf = Jack Nicklaus (arguments for Woods) 9. Cricket = Donald Bradman (no arguments) 10. MLB (baseball) = Babe Ruth (arguments for Babe Ruth, Ted Williams)
2023-01-25 15:53
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i agree for all the ones that i watch gj
2023-01-25 15:56
NBA arguments for Lebron, even though I hate him
2023-01-25 15:57
40 replies
every argument for lebron can be destroyed with one question, whats his finals record?
2023-01-25 15:58
29 replies
then Bill Russell = GOAT
2023-01-25 15:59
2 replies
0/8 goat = achievements + individual success
2023-01-25 16:04
#15
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Austria HomoTopf
Bill Russel played in a league with how many teams? 10? and all the top players where in his team, not a good arguement.
2023-01-25 16:09
#43
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Kosovo LeeTsAuCE
this is such a dumb question, just compare teams. Prime Lebron's final appearance in some of the finals was already an achievement if you take a look at the rosters he played
2023-01-25 16:27
14 replies
you have no idea what you're talking about haha, Lebron literally created the term "Superteams", when he joined the already stacked Miami team, or formed a Superteam in Cleveland and on the Lakers, although the Lakers would most likely not be considered a Superteam anymore. And despite all that he still lost to fucking Dirk Nowitzki and his 40 year old teammates with a Superteam LMFAO, having one of the worst finals appearances of a Superstar in NBA history. Jordan never crumbled like that, hes the Goat.
2023-01-25 16:25
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#72
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Kosovo LeeTsAuCE
I haven't even said who's the goat yet you try to convince me in your opinion... So losing in the first round is better than losing in the finals? Weird... Name one player who won a championship by himself. 6/0 is not a argument, never was and never will be because it's not a individual accomplishment
2023-01-25 16:44
10 replies
6 Rings and 6 FMVPS is an argument, and if you can't accept that you're absolutely clueless. but now i am super curious, who is the goat for you? can't wait for this
2023-01-25 16:42
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#94
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Kosovo LeeTsAuCE
can't really name one cause of an eras crash, but lebron will be always better in my eyes, one of the reasons is numbers he puts up at his age even in such a competition (which nowadays is defo harder than it used to be) when mj couldn't even attend play offs outside of bulls I just wanted to say that the GOAT status is arguable here, and if you don't think so, then call device the goat of csgo but not s1mple
2023-01-25 16:57
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yea i have no problem admitting that lebron is an overall better basketball player than jordan, but he is not greater, not even close either. jordan was a defensive monster, scoring champ, 6 time world champ and 6 time finals mvp, there is nothing really to argue, and the only people who argue this are the ones that have never seen michael play.
2023-01-25 16:59
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6 time world champ lol NBA = North America =/= world Or we just going to call every winner of the most stacked league in any kind of sports world champs? It's like calling Champions League winners world champions.
2023-01-26 08:39
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the best players world wide play in the the NBA = world champions stop coping
2023-01-26 13:02
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ThE BeSt PlAyErS iN tHe WoRlD pLaY iN tHe NbA = wOrLd ChAmPiOnS i don't know who is coping here By this clown logic Cristiano Ronaldo & Toni Kroos would be 5 time world champions, Messi would a 4 time world champion because they won the CL (unarguably the most stacked football tournament in the world) this many times. You can think of Jordan as your personal world champ if that is what you like, that doesn't make it a fact though.
2023-01-31 07:31
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yea, i dont get this world champios concept in nba, they are NBA league champions, not world champions i understand it might be the most stacked league with the most talent, but that does not make them the world champions :D
2023-01-31 07:52
scoring its easier nowadays
2023-01-26 08:43
+1
2023-02-03 15:09
#301
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Slovenia marcelyx3
Expected from delusional albanian dope dealer
2023-01-31 10:29
Lul, even chamberlain join Elgin Baylor and Jerry West to create a superteam
2023-02-02 23:23
+1
2023-02-03 15:09
what teams did jordan play and whhat teams did lebron play in the finals?
2023-01-25 16:52
7 replies
lebron played fucking dirk nowitzki and a bunch of pensioners and still lost LMFAOO
2023-01-25 16:53
6 replies
i agree that jordan is the goat. and vs mavs he should have won. but believe me: that gsw team was stacked af(he lost 2 them 3 times and 2 times he was alone) . its not a secret that teams are way better now than 30 years ago(the competition is harder). 2018 lebron was probably the best ive seen a player play individually in a playoff run (im watching basketball since 2007). and people talked about how he got swept. put jordan on 2018 cavs vs that gsw and i tell u. same reesult. for me mj is the goat but i understand the debate w lbj
2023-01-25 16:59
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lebron has no killer instinct, he passes the ball in the clutch, he doesn't have that dog in him like mike or kobe had. he'll never be on the same page as michael.
2023-01-25 17:01
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Coming from someone who thoroughly dislikes Lebron as well, you are the worst type of sports fan. You're not even trying to have a legitimate conversation with anyone about this. You clearly have your mind set already, with absolutely NO room for nuance, and just giving vague statements that are sometimes not even true about a player who is still definitely one of the greatest to ever play the game. and heres a quick life pro tip: stop looking up to skip bayless. He is not a good person to model your thought process after.
2023-01-25 20:10
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lost 6 finals, lost to dirk nowitzki and some 40 year olds with a stacked superteam, has never been clutch in his career, passes the ball in crucial posessions, is a 6'9 250 monster and flops like chris paul, has had the biggest let down performance in the history of the nba in an nba finals playoffs series etc. fuck skip bayless and fuck everyone who tries to make an argument for lebron, you guys font know ball and have never seen mj play, there is no room for discussion and there never will be, and thats the reason why 99% of ex pros and nba analyst have mj as the goat, nobody gives a fuck what you think.
2023-02-01 06:19
idk if you are drunk, ignorant or what? might be a hardcore hater or just stupid bait honestly real basketball fans would never type such stuff about the best overall basketball player in the history
2023-01-31 07:54
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#307 stop coping, lebron is good but kot the greatest, everyone but zoomers agree.
2023-02-01 06:20
Let's decide who was the better individual by what their teams achieved, genius. If you replaced MJ with Lebron back then, you think Lebron would have won less on those teams?
2023-01-25 16:59
thats a stupid argument
2023-01-26 13:14
Lebron is clearly the GOAT. It's getting really hard to argue for jordan, especially with bro on pace to break 40k
2023-02-02 20:19
#17
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Austria HomoTopf
recency bias, all it is. longevity is also his only really strong argument for the GOAT, I think thats a really weak case, even tho I think he is the closest to Jordan overall
2023-01-25 16:11
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I'm not saying he's a goat. I'm all for the fact that it's Jordan. But to say that no one is close is wrong.
2023-01-25 16:13
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#271
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Austria HomoTopf
you are correct!
2023-01-26 16:41
nostalgia bias too then
2023-01-25 16:20
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#270
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Austria HomoTopf
I started watching the NBA around 2005....
2023-01-26 16:41
Closest to Jordan was Kobe imo, in terms of greatness and individual skill. Lebron is the best player of all time, i can give him that, but he is far from the greatest.
2023-01-25 16:32
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#269
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Austria HomoTopf
pure skill I agree, but Lebron has the better overall package, still Kobe is pretty underrated even tho most people have him at least in the top10
2023-01-26 16:41
You can't seriously talk about recency bias and ignore the nostalgic bias that currently plays the most important role in Lebron vs Jordan debate.
2023-01-26 13:30
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#268
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Austria HomoTopf
I was too young to see him play, I started watching the NBA around 2005...
2023-01-26 16:39
+1
2023-01-25 16:24
thorin came around for an htlv account now
2023-01-25 15:57
#4
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Pakistan LoOuU2
wrong cricket = Babar Azam
2023-01-25 15:57
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#201
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India Aargho
Hashim Amla is GOAT
2023-01-26 03:19
5 replies
how many intl trophies has amla won ?
2023-01-26 16:10
2 replies
How many did Babar win?
2023-02-02 22:18
1 reply
and please don't attribute CT17's success to Babar.
2023-02-02 22:18
#278
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Pakistan LoOuU2
WRONG Amla not even the best from his own country
2023-01-27 10:36
1 reply
same could be said for Babar as well. Javed is the greatest Pakistan has produced. Babar doesn't even come close. Babar is a stat-padder.
2023-02-02 22:20
😂😂😂 zimbabar
2023-02-02 08:13
#5
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Cyprus codein
10. MLB (baseball) = Babe Ruth (arguments for Babe Ruth, Ted Williams) nice
2023-01-25 15:57
1 reply
brainfart gg
2023-01-25 15:58
best golfer I have ever seen is Happy Gilmore
2023-01-25 16:00
2 replies
"you hit that guy!" "he shouldn't have been standin there"
2023-01-25 16:23
Gareth Bale
2023-01-25 20:20
Thorin brother ?
2023-01-25 16:00
Stopped reading after Messi.
2023-01-25 16:05
58 replies
imagine still coping even after the world cup every analyst says messi is the goat almost all ex footballers say messi is the goat but ahAriZ on HLTV thinks otherwise, he must be correct!
2023-01-25 16:10
56 replies
"lmost all ex footballers say messi is the goat", thats not true. A guy who cant show up in big games cant be the god , im sorry for you. One exception (wc final 2022) doesnt change the fact.
2023-01-25 16:13
52 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=UnBzlutHNbM&ab_chann.. youtube.com/watch?v=qBHRpIOVSq8&t=385s&a.. also this was before the world cup, now its going to be even more one sided enjoy rest of your argument is subjective nonsense listen to the pros, you and my opinion is worthless. argument is settled, cope
2023-01-25 16:18
27 replies
best player in the world =/= best of all time. youtube.com/watch?v=Ozjyr5wP264 None of the guys considered Messi even top 3. Enjoy
2023-01-25 16:24
25 replies
I'm done talking to you, I guess 3 players (including a Portuguese) is a better sample size than 80 ex footballers and analysts. /closed
2023-01-25 16:28
24 replies
There are much more than that, but I got that you are a fanboy. Even narcissistic people like Zlatan or Mourinho are always saying that R9 is the best player they have ever seen, just to give you one example.
2023-01-25 16:38
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yea, R9, a guy who had the shortest prime out of any superstars ever and has never won the champions league in his career, is the greatest of all time, that makes total sense. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, there is no substance behind your comment.
2023-01-25 16:40
21 replies
That guy was the most insane player ever before his injuries, scored more than Haaland and Mbappe in their age and managed to become the best player again after his injuries, where he had to change his playstyle. You clearly never saw him play.
2023-01-25 16:44
20 replies
I saw him play, and he is the best number 9 ever, but he is not the goat, and not even close to being the goat. Longevity is a huge part of the goat debate, and CR7 and Messi have been dominating for almost 20 years, r9 had a prime of 5 years lol. Stop it now.
2023-01-25 16:46
19 replies
stfu
2023-01-25 16:50
6 replies
nice argument kiddo
2023-01-25 16:50
5 replies
better than yours
2023-01-25 19:50
4 replies
go to bed kiddo
2023-01-25 20:17
3 replies
not tired yet kiddo
2023-01-25 20:24
2 replies
i could be your dad, have some respect princess
2023-01-25 20:45
1 reply
my guy saw pelé playing, sheessh
2023-01-25 21:10
Longevity shouldnt even considered to be a valuable part of that debate. Players back in the days didnt have that medical support and effecient training + defenders were allowed to tackle hard. Nowadays offensive players got more protected and its easier for them to score because of the interpretation of the rules. You would have had a point if Messi and CR7 would be the exceptions, but they are a lot of other worldclass player who are 35-40 years old aswell.
2023-01-25 16:55
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I am sorry but did you just say that nowadays it's easier to score than back in the days? I swear I am trying to be reasonable with you, but you give me more and more reasons to believe you are absolutely fucking clueless about football.
2023-01-25 16:56
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Ofc. its easier. More goals = more money, you cant deny that. Statistics of Messi and CR7 got insanely inflated playing for Real and Barca. Back in the days the gap between good and bad teams wasnt that big. Compare the goalcontribution of Messi/CR7 in their clubs with the contribution of their national teams. Maybe you are able to understand the difference.
2023-01-25 17:09
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"Back in the days the gap between good and bad teams wasnt that big" ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2023-01-25 17:09
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Bro,you really dont understand that poin? Nowadays you have like 5 teams who have realistic chance to win UCL, back in the days you had much more. Have a look on the top 5 leagues, almost every year the same teams are winning, wasnt the case 20-30 years ago.
2023-01-25 17:13
nah bro you must be trolling, no offense
2023-01-31 08:01
1 reply
Name, flair and flag checks everything out
2023-01-31 10:15
Peak R9 is the best footballer to ever play in a game. Why is longevity relevant? Playing for 10 years at a level that was below R9's peak does not make that person better than R9.
2023-01-25 19:57
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peak r9 was never better than peak lionel 92 goals a year Messi lol, he also never won the champions league, he isn't rven top3 in goat debate. maybe if he didn't party like a teenager and gotten fat and therefore injure himself because he was out of shape, he would have been the greatest, who knows
2023-01-25 20:17
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Only scored more than Gerd Müller, because he played more games. That record doesnt mean shit, especially when you have Xavi and Iniesta behind you.
2023-01-25 20:34
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Under different circumstances, Im pretty sure you guys would have been great friends :D But I guess HLTV does that to you.
2023-01-26 08:07
This
2023-01-25 20:35
bro messi is no goat and this is just WC hype and it will be consumed in a short time of period. messi is better than cr7 and dominated football for a decent time but every decade there was a player like messi.
2023-02-02 08:20
#183
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Serbia pravac
wipe the tears now
2023-01-26 01:13
he scored in a UCL final to dunk on Ronaldo and 2 years later he singlehandedly won Barca another UCL final but you go queen!
2023-01-25 16:17
15 replies
He lost 4 out of 6 finals with argentina while being the worst player on the pitch 5 times.
2023-01-25 16:26
14 replies
the one international trophy ronaldo won he didn't even play and he contributed to 1 goal in the KOs lol, and that was against Wales lol
2023-01-25 16:31
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but he celebrated like he did it all on his own haha, the guy is hilarious.
2023-01-25 16:32
Nobody talked about CR7?
2023-01-25 16:32
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lmaoooooooo gtfo bruv if you think either Pele who played against Brazilian plumbers in the 1600s or Maradona is the GOAT you're just trynna be different, ur probs like 16 and think ur edgy
2023-01-25 16:36
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Messi wouldnt even play professional growing up in Peles era, but I understand that you are a fanboy.
2023-01-25 16:39
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wtf :D every time i scroll a bit i read something even more stupid from you i hope you are literally joking if ronaldo or messi would play in Peles era they would win 3 world cups by the age of 18 lmao yes, Pele himself was good, but the competition and defense was literally non-existant
2023-01-31 08:06
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No they wouldnt, I mean its ok to be stupid like you, but if they grew up in that era they wouldnt be the same player, as a told before Messi wouldnt even be a professional because there was no HGH therapy back in the days.
2023-01-31 10:13
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apart from messi's medical condition you cant tell me ronaldo and messi would not average 3 goals against defenders who did nothing not only them 2, but many other "average" players now would dominate football back then, have you seen the games? i dont discredit pele's achievements, he was just better when others did not do as much training, same goes for other great payers of that generation
2023-01-31 10:16
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Why its so hard for you to understand that they would be different players when they would GREW UP in that era? Nobody knows whats going to happen in that scenario, nobody knows the opposite, maybe Pele would avg. 3 goals growing up in this era where defenders are not able to defend, because every touch is like a penalty.
2023-01-31 10:19
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now i understand what you mean, but that is just thinking what if, what if. what if you dedicated your life to football, maybe you would win euro cup. If we are talking about what we see on the football field, you cant tell me Pele is better than Ronaldo9 or Messi or Cristiano R. or many others. yes, that penalty thing is true, but on the other hand what is the solution? i mean most of these "spoft" penalties are a penalties by a rule book there are 2 sides to this - it is boring that there cant be a pyshical contact in box, but on the other hand if defender interferes with the attacker then you are just playing american football. it takes to be a super skilled defeder to defend without touching opponent, i think soon we will see bunch of ultra good defenders, we have some of them now aswell
2023-01-31 10:26
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Yes, thats why its completely stupid to compare players of different eras by saying the current players would destroy the players of the past. If you compare players you have to have a look on how superior a player was compared to the rest of that era. "there are 2 sides to this - it is boring that there cant be a pyshical contact in box, but on the other hand if defender interferes with the attacker then you are just playing american football.", that might be true. This can be solved only by players themselve, if they stop behaving like crybabies.
2023-01-31 14:26
hahahahahhahahhahahaha
2023-02-01 21:54
Bro stop embarrassing urself ty
2023-02-02 14:27
1 reply
Another one who cant deal with facts.
2023-02-02 14:50
From the replies I see that you think that Pele or Maradona are better than Messi but you didn`t even watch them play lmao very good logic my friend Messi is the best cuz he was the greatest in the most competitive and tactical era in football
2023-01-25 20:33
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How do you measure "most competitive"? Defenders cant do shit nowadays.
2023-01-25 20:38
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"cant do shit" yeah man the defenders from 1960s were so goooood this is why in every game there were minimum 4-5 goals scored keep living in your own world i prefer the reality
2023-01-26 00:19
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You didnt even understand the setence, I dont mean they are bad, but they are not allowed to do sth., because of the interpretation of the rules. Have a look on how the total number of penalties went up, thats a good indication: myfootballfacts.com/premier-league/all-t..
2023-01-26 07:38
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You can't compare how good defenders are by penalties . Ofc there are more penalties cuz the players fall down so easily these days compared to the football that was played in 1990s And another reason is that the referees are so trash in PL rn (even with help of VAR , it's so useless in the Premier League)
2023-01-26 13:10
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"Ofc there are more penalties cuz the players fall down so easily these days compared to the football that was played in 1990s", thats what I tried to explain. Nowadays defenders arent allowed to tackle that hard, its easier for offensive players.
2023-01-26 13:34
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sorry didn`t read the full sentence of #203 but from what you said in #154 meant that defenders are shit nowadays You are right and there are many players who abuse this thing like Neymar , Cristiano even Mbappe but I`ve rarely seen Messi to abuse from this thing (only in this WC he simulated a few times ) , what he does is so natural and he doesn`t want to take advantage of the referee
2023-01-26 13:54
" A guy who cant show up in big games cant be the god" iq below shoe size lmao
2023-01-31 07:55
#22
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Austria HomoTopf
I love to see 2 germans argue about football :) But I think you are correct. You can always argue for one of the big players, but you cant count any of them out.
2023-01-25 16:13
1 reply
Whole goat debate is made by media
2023-01-25 16:27
#219
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Germany Jaffar64
Imagine thinking qatar wc was a representative tournament. Best Team of Europe decided to don’t even attend this shitshow
2023-01-26 11:28
Messi Goat, said from a Portuguese /closed
2023-01-26 11:47
#13
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Austria HomoTopf
1. Football (soccer) = Lionel Andres Messi (I agree but there are arguments) 2. NBA (basketball) = Michael Jeffrey Jordan (no arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 3. NFL (handegg) = who the fuck watches this boring sport? 4. F1 (racing) = I think its impossible to say, its more of a constructions sport 5. UFC (mma) = I never watched that, I prefer Boxing = Mike Tyson over Ali 6. Tennis = Rafael Nadal ( I think only Novak and Rafa have strong enough arguments, Roger is just the hyped option) 7. NHL (hockey) = Wayne Gretzky (no arguments, I guess so, not the biggest NHL fan) 8. Golf = Tiger Woods, I think he wins out because of the better competition, he just ruined his career at some point 9. Cricket = no idea, I could not name one player 10. MLB (baseball) = Babe Ruth (hard to argue)
2023-01-25 16:07
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a true man appreciates every sport, even american football. Boxing goat was most likely Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali was the most influencial Boxer Mike Tyson was never the greatest, but he was the scariest Boxer ever, and the most vicious Knockout Artist of all time and Floyd Mayweather was the best defensive Boxer of all time.
2023-01-25 16:12
10 replies
+1 Mike isnt in the discussion for boxing goat for me neither
2023-01-25 16:16
#37
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Austria HomoTopf
Nah sry, its the only sport I tried so many times to get into only to realize its not worth. I bet you far over 50% watching NFL around the world dont even know more then the basic rules, its by far the most overhyped sport in the world, no need to give it any credit. So if you make a top10 sport list, better bring in something else instead of NFL imo. Yeah Boxing is really hard to judge, Ali as you said was mostly popular because of his personality and the fact that he was a huge part in the black movement. The reason why I say it is Mike Tyson is just because I think if you take all the boxers in their prime, he would win against everyone and since boxing is a 1v1 sport, I would say that decides the goat, you cant do that with team sports.
2023-01-25 16:19
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The rules are not even difficult lol, the problem are with the sport is that there is no real game flow, there are too many breaks (and ads). American Football is very popular and has a huge viewership, so it's clearly deserved to be in the list, no matter if you like it or not my friend. You can't compare Boxers "in their prime 1v1" because weight classes exist, so that argument makes no sense unfortunately.
2023-01-25 16:22
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#50
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Austria HomoTopf
I was only talking about heavy weight, if you bring in other classes, it gets even more impossible true
2023-01-25 16:25
0/8
2023-01-25 16:55
1 reply
#96
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Austria HomoTopf
at least give me 1
2023-01-25 16:57
I agree about Mike. I want to believe that in his prime he'd be able to KO anyone. But I am biased, he's my favorite boxer
2023-01-25 17:31
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#123
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Austria HomoTopf
thats the tough thing if they never had a match in their prime, but for me the eye test works for Mike :)
2023-01-25 17:38
Arguing boxing is stupid because lower weight categories are like the retard olympics or women sports, something that only exists to make inferior fighters feel better about themselves. A top 50 heavyweight would likely kill floy mayweather in the first round, just like a top50 tennis players would double 6-0 serena williams.
2023-01-25 21:28
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#272
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Austria HomoTopf
top 500 would 6-0 serena
2023-01-26 16:44
#314
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Serbia Ruffus
Djokovic is goat bro better H2H> same grand slams (but wimbledon and AO >>> US open and FO)> more ATP Masters> Djokovic has won a joint-record 6 ATP Finals> play style> physical fitness and mental strength> more times in top1>
2023-02-01 15:05
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#315
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Austria HomoTopf
and you can make a really good case for rafa....you cant really choose one over the other
2023-02-01 16:08
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#316
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Serbia Ruffus
well, I think I could choose, there is no tournament of better quality than the ones mentioned, which Nadal has won more, but I have a lot of respect for him.
2023-02-01 16:14
6 replies
#317
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Austria HomoTopf
the part that makes it so hard between those 2 is the fact that rafa dominated clay like we have never seen before and mb never will again. so who decides if it is a negative or positive? Djoker clearly has more tournaments every year on his favourite surface. Rafa has about 2-3 months every year on his surface.
2023-02-01 16:20
5 replies
djokovic is more versitile,simple as that
2023-02-01 22:10
4 replies
#344
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Austria HomoTopf
ah nice the expert is back
2023-02-01 22:18
3 replies
well explain to me how am i wrong
2023-02-01 22:18
2 replies
#347
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Austria HomoTopf
Nadal is the clay god. Djoker is the hard court god and grass is close to hard, so because of that he seems to be more versatile, but only because you think so, does not make it true. So far all you said were your opinions, no actually reasoning behind it, so either you start talking or I am out
2023-02-01 22:22
1 reply
Djoker is more versatile beacuse he won every masters at least twice,beaten nadal at every big clay tournament (Monte Carlo,Madrid,Rome,RG),beaten Nadal at every slam. Nadal havent even won ATP finals in his career in 15+ tries,hasnt been dangerous on grass since 2011,hasnt won a set against Djokovic on hard since US open 2013. yes,its quite clear who is more versatile
2023-02-01 22:28
Djokovic and its not even close
2023-02-01 21:52
7 replies
#323
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Austria HomoTopf
dream on
2023-02-01 21:58
6 replies
dont need to,its the reality
2023-02-01 21:58
5 replies
#326
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Austria HomoTopf
yeah keep it up, dont wake up
2023-02-01 21:59
4 replies
cope
2023-02-01 21:59
3 replies
#329
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Austria HomoTopf
true cope is a form of dreaming
2023-02-01 22:00
2 replies
go sleep
2023-02-01 22:01
1 reply
#337
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Austria HomoTopf
I prefer being awake when I do things
2023-02-01 22:03
Nadal only GOAT on clay Đoković is the best all around
2023-02-01 23:03
You could easily argue that Lemieux was _at least_ on par with Gretzky.
2023-01-25 16:08
1 reply
Didnt play long enough to be considered GOAT. Skills, maybe, but GOAT no.
2023-01-26 14:27
lebron would put up wilt's numbers in jordan's era
2023-01-25 16:11
10 replies
Jodran would average 50 in todays soft era
2023-01-25 16:17
9 replies
he is nothing without scottie and rodman
2023-01-25 16:18
8 replies
true, that's why he won 6 rings and won 6 finals MVP's
2023-01-25 16:18
he won 3 without rodman
2023-01-25 16:18
3 replies
with scottie
2023-01-25 16:19
2 replies
LeBron couldn't win until Bosh and Wade were on his team. The next championship was against an injured team. There is nothing to say about the last championship.
2023-01-25 16:24
1 reply
and they literally lost to Dirk Nowitzki on his own, with Lebron having one of the most embarrassing Finals appearances of all time.
2023-01-25 16:31
#39
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Austria HomoTopf
copium
2023-01-25 16:20
2 replies
after bron passes kareem he will just confirm his goat status
2023-01-25 16:21
1 reply
#48
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Austria HomoTopf
delusional fanboy, but its fine, I hope it makes you happy
2023-01-25 16:24
ufc should also include arguments for demetrious johnson
2023-01-25 16:16
2 replies
would have been the goat if the UFC didn't do him dirty.
2023-01-25 16:17
1 reply
very true
2023-01-25 16:18
#29
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
You can make a very good argument for ronaldo, but imo it isnt really possible to say one is better than the other
2023-01-25 16:18
38 replies
no sorry, there is no argument for him anymore. statistics favor messi, accomplishments favor messi, the only thing ronaldo has is one more champions league title and more goals in the champions league, rest is on messi and the debate was done once messi lifted the world cup. (I am not even a Messi fan, I am 100% objective here)
2023-01-25 16:19
37 replies
#44
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Austria HomoTopf
nah sry there is no 100% solution to this, Wildfire is correct to say what he did! In your logic a player from Asutria could never become a GOAT, because you could not even carry us to a european title. Ronaldo has enough argument to say he is the GOAT, so does Messi
2023-01-25 16:23
17 replies
"In your logic a player from Asutria could never become a GOAT, because you could not even carry us to a european title" ?????? Ronaldo had a way better team that Messi this World Cup, Messi literally won the WC with fucking MacAllister from Brighton or whatever that team is called. Just listen to the Ex footballers and Analysts, our opinion is worthless, they know what they're talking about and they favor Messi as shown in #23
2023-01-25 16:27
3 replies
#66
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Austria HomoTopf
not even sure how anyone could argue with you? your opinion is already set in stone. but in reality you should realize that you lost the argument the moment you said there is no argument for anyone else and Messi it the GOAT 100%. small minded thinking, so have a nice day
2023-01-25 16:33
2 replies
I never asked anyone to argue with me. If people still think Ronaldo is the goat in 2023, they simply are either a fanboy, portuguese or have no idea what they're talking about. And I am not even a Messi fan, I can't even stand him personally, but I can admit that he is the greatest to ever play the game.
2023-01-25 16:34
+1
2023-01-25 18:05
Ronaldo has arguments to be the GOAT sure, but arguments that favor him get outdone by arguments that favor Messi ;D its literally that simple
2023-02-01 21:57
12 replies
#324
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Austria HomoTopf
if you say so
2023-02-01 21:58
11 replies
You can quite literally check all of the most important stats and see it for yourself, dont act like im making shit up just because you disagree
2023-02-01 22:00
10 replies
#336
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Austria HomoTopf
The thing is, I am not disagreeing, you are trying to convince me of something I am already convinced of. But I am not dillusional to call my opionion facts like you are, only small minded people do that
2023-02-01 22:03
9 replies
no im just the smartest guy here, my "opinions" are facts
2023-02-01 22:16
8 replies
#346
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Austria HomoTopf
look up the word "narcissist"
2023-02-01 22:19
7 replies
he's spitting facts, not his opinion
2023-02-02 15:52
6 replies
#372
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Austria HomoTopf
another guy who sees his opinion as facts, great!
2023-02-02 19:25
5 replies
what kind of soft weirdo u are?
2023-02-02 19:59
4 replies
#392
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Austria HomoTopf
what kind of a useless human u are?
2023-02-03 14:38
3 replies
u must be fun at parties
2023-02-03 15:02
2 replies
#396
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Austria HomoTopf
I am yes, you must be an awful human wherever you are
2023-02-03 15:07
1 reply
geek
2023-02-03 15:12
#117
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Statistics dont tell the full story of this guys. Ronaldo has had the worse situation for their full carreers, and the way he full carried failed teams like portugal, Juve and last year's united to relevance is imo way more impressive than a WC with one of the best teams or a bunch of goals with a superteam in france. WIth that said, a lot of arguments for Messi too. I just thing that they are the best version of their respective roles
2023-01-25 17:19
3 replies
imo Juve wasn't that bad till Ronaldo came in. Yeah, he was scoring like a madman, but whole team had to adapt to his playstyle, especially Dybala who hasn't recovered in Juventus
2023-01-25 20:01
1 reply
#148
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Juve was bad and didnt really adapt as mandzukic and morata played the same way. They were decaying (just as liverpool did) If anything Ronaldo prolonged that team's livespan
2023-01-25 20:34
Carried United where? Europa League spot and bombed out of every competition
2023-01-26 07:53
#184
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Serbia pravac
ronaldo has the most goals in the history of football, idk where you get your info from at this point tbh.
2023-01-26 01:22
14 replies
because he has more games played than messi lmfao, watch their goal percentage or goals per game ratio. also check assists ;)
2023-01-26 01:26
12 replies
#187
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Serbia pravac
"because he has more games played than messi lmfao" and? i thought you were digging up every single career stat here "also check assists" messi's role is to either score or make assists, by your logic i could say de gea is better than ronaldo because he has more saves
2023-01-26 01:28
3 replies
I literally just said stats favor messi, which is the case if you compare them. it doesn't matter if ronaldo scored more goals, if he has way more games played, its about goals per game, which messi beats ronaldo.
2023-01-26 01:29
2 replies
#191
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Serbia pravac
its all subjective anyway i like ronaldos playstyle and for me hes the goat
2023-01-26 01:30
1 reply
XD
2023-01-26 01:31
#189
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Serbia pravac
forgot to say, you mentioned to check assists, why dont you check headers?
2023-01-26 01:29
7 replies
because headers are goals and messi has more goals per game XD bro just stop please
2023-01-26 01:30
6 replies
#193
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Serbia pravac
will there ever be a german without an inflated ego. you must think anyone who's opinion differs from yours is stupid
2023-01-26 01:31
5 replies
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bro i just countered your arguments, and you have nothing left to say and now i have an ego. just stop trying to talk shit if you cant back it up
2023-01-26 01:32
4 replies
#195
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Serbia pravac
nah i do have stuff to say but i have other things to do than argue with a complete stranger lol. also i said your ego is massive (which it is) only because i scrolled a bit on this thread, realising you cannot possibly imagine someone having a different opinion than you
2023-01-26 01:34
3 replies
#196
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Serbia pravac
everyone that you dont agree with is automatically an idiot in your world. unluko
2023-01-26 01:35
2 replies
all i can hear is "i went into an argument with no arguments and now i am mad that i got embarrassed" go figure
2023-01-26 01:58
1 reply
#218
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Serbia pravac
seek help
2023-01-26 11:16
#353
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New Zealand z1co_18
messi scores more goals than ronaldo? look at game average like at games played goals ratio all while assisting 100's more than ronaldo. Sorry to tell you but messi scores more goals than ronaldo...
2023-02-02 08:00
11. CSGO - Zywoo
2023-01-25 16:19
1 reply
you had a one job
2023-01-26 08:04
#51
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Ukraine sanchell1
12. Biathlon - Ole Einar Bjørndalen 13. Table tennis - Jan-Ove Waldner 14. Swimming - Michael Phelps 15. Chess - Magnus Carlsen
2023-01-25 16:25
2 replies
swimming = whoever holds the current world record is obviously the goat.
2023-01-25 21:30
1 reply
+1 lmao
2023-01-26 00:22
JBJ surely is the smartest fighter to ever step into the octagon, but GSP is goat. IF jbj wins against gane, i'll consider him an equal to GSP, if JBJ wins against stipe, then JBJ is mma goat in my book.
2023-01-25 16:27
11 replies
GSP lost multiple times, Jones never did, that's the problem.
2023-01-25 16:30
9 replies
Losing has nothing to do with being goat, if it does then khabib is mma goat and floyd is boxing goat.
2023-01-25 16:46
8 replies
ofc it does lmao, what kind of stupid comment is this? sorry but it's a genuine question.
2023-01-25 16:50
7 replies
Yea well Khabib clears picogram jones then.
2023-01-25 16:56
6 replies
yea kebab clears, the guy who fought 5 decent opponents in his entire career and then retired without even trying to go up in weight hahahah
2023-01-25 16:57
5 replies
OFC he does, lost a round at most, while JBJ got almost killed by no namers especially dominick reyes, who has lost 3 fights since he got robbed against jon jones. Not to mention other no namers like anthony smith, who also gifted jones another win by not taking a DQ victory for the illegal knee.
2023-01-25 17:01
4 replies
nobody gives a shit if he hasn't lost, because he fought 25 nobodys out of his 29 fights and never went up in weightclasses, he is not even top3 goat debate lol. jones never been defeated while fighting 10x better opponents during his career, youngest ufc champ ever, most well rounded mix martial artist of all time. kebab 1 trick pony will never reach jones level, sorry brother.
2023-01-25 17:03
3 replies
Doesn't matter what you think, on paper Khabib is the dominant UFC fighter ever to become and stay champion. If statistics are so important and paramount to you, not accepting Khabib as the GOAT and arguing for jones based on your subjective measure of his skill is as you put it, stupid. Are you? genuine question.
2023-01-25 17:06
2 replies
#108
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Faroe Islands Antjuan
shut up kid, khabib is not on the level of GSP or Jones, he fought nobodys in russia to stack his record, you are clueless
2023-01-25 17:07
nobody considers khabib the goat, what makes you think your opinion matters? if he stayed active and went up in weight and won the titles, he would be considered the goat, but he didn't, he retired early and will never be close to Jones, accept it.
2023-01-25 17:08
false, none of them would ever beat a heavyweight, so they can't be goats.
2023-01-25 21:31
CS 1.6 - markeloff
2023-01-25 16:28
11 boxer muhammad ali and i think for basketball u could argue that lebroon is goat but for me jordan
2023-01-25 16:38
Dennis Rodman clears
2023-01-25 16:43
Ronaldo clear of pessi but okay. King of champions league vs Mister bowing my head down when getting demolished.
2023-01-25 16:47
8 replies
why do polish people always have garbage opinions on everything?
2023-01-25 16:51
6 replies
why do jermans always cause shit in Europe?
2023-01-25 16:51
5 replies
why are polaks always playing the victim role? why are polaks always insulting germans but at the same time come here to work lmfao
2023-01-25 16:52
4 replies
cause we are the victims of jerman murderers, city destroyers, national treasure thieves etc.
2023-01-25 20:21
2 replies
stay in your own country you thiefs
2023-01-25 20:24
1 reply
wish you did that in 1939
2023-01-25 21:06
They are always like that. They love to call Sweden "swedistan" but they love to come here to clean toilet for 5 euro/h lmao
2023-02-02 14:30
How many World Cups ? And in Qatar idk who bowed his head down after a knockout stage defeat Messi or Ronaldo ummm
2023-01-25 20:36
There definitely is argument in Football but I agree with you
2023-01-25 16:53
In football there an argument for maradona and pele
2023-01-25 16:56
1 reply
no LOL
2023-02-02 14:30
there is only one sport with no argument and thats ice hockey
2023-01-25 17:01
2 replies
As a commented in #14 there's an argument for Lemieux
2023-01-25 20:27
Also E-sport: Faker
2023-02-02 14:31
Baseball goat is Barry Bonds and there's literally no argument other than shohei ohtani in the future
2023-01-25 17:04
4 replies
lmfao, you mean the guy doped out of his fucking mind?
2023-01-25 17:09
3 replies
If you use that argument then shohei cause he is easily the best athlete the sport has ever seen and bonds was still insanely good before he started the peds
2023-01-25 17:19
2 replies
otani has won nothing lmao, goat = individual sucess + achievements
2023-01-25 17:25
1 reply
Then bonds lol
2023-01-25 17:57
Arguments can definitely be made for football (both american and soccer) Tennis is incorrect.
2023-01-25 17:14
14 replies
there is no one on the level of brady, he is easily top3 on this list that can't be argued. djokovic is better than both nadal and roger, and will surpass them in grandslams soon to solidify his goat status, just because he isn't the most likeable character is the reason why people don't want to accept the truth.
2023-01-25 17:24
12 replies
Tom Brady is top 3 but you said he is undisputed GOAT. Nadal has more slams than Djoko. For me, Nadal is better.
2023-01-25 20:25
11 replies
"top3 on this list that can't be argued." please read
2023-01-25 20:43
1 reply
3. NFL (handegg) = Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (no arguments) please read your own post before arguing adolf
2023-01-25 21:02
Djokovic would probably have 23-24 at this moment already, if he wasn't robbed at US OPEN - hitting that lineswoman which was obviously unintentional and got banned from competing at US OPEN and Australia OPEN, but he will tie him now. Dominant record vs both Nadal and Fedex
2023-01-26 07:57
8 replies
Dominant record lmao. He has 1 more win vs Nadal. Nadal better in most stats. I'm not saying you can't think Djoko is better. I'm saying it's certainly up for debate and I prefer Nadal
2023-01-27 00:21
7 replies
Like I said he would already have 2-3 more GS if they let him play and didn't undeservedly disqualify him. It's hard for some to swallow that a Serb is the GOAT of an elitist sport like tennis. Nadal is GOAT on clay where most of his wins over Novak come from.
2023-01-27 12:28
Nadal better in what stats? Elaborate
2023-01-31 10:18
in what stats excatly is nadal better lol???? they are tied in slams and djokovic is in front in everything else
2023-02-01 21:56
4 replies
I’m not talking about H2H, I’m talking career stats. All time match win %: Nadal 83.2% Djoko 83.1% All time point win %: Nadal 55% Djoko 54% You can also look at matches against the 3rd player in the mix, Federer: Nadal 24W-16L Djoko 27W-23L Like I explained earlier - I think you can reasonably argue for either of the 3. I prefer Nadal.
2023-02-02 14:01
3 replies
u got wrong stats,djokovic has the highest match win % out of big 3,point win im not sure and its not relevant in any case anyway,at the end of the day djokovic has the h2h lead over both,have more weeks at n.1 then both,more masters,more big titles,nadal with 0 atp finals and so on Its quite clear
2023-02-02 14:19
2 replies
Flag sure checks out. Like I said. Stats are so close between them that you can easily argue for either of the 3. Check overall H2H stats between them (three ways) and Nadal clearly has the best stats overall. This will be the last response from me since we're just going round in circles. Have a great day.
2023-02-02 18:38
1 reply
83.5%>82.8% Djokovic has no impact on h2h between nadal and federer,nice bs argument. 374>209 at weeks as n.1 btw,not even close
2023-02-02 18:41
*...for football (both real football and American handegg)
2023-01-26 00:24
CSGO: Maxster
2023-01-25 17:14
CR7 > Pepssi
2023-01-25 17:25
maybe add Sachin Tendulkar to the list of arguments (cricket)
2023-01-25 18:10
2 replies
possible
2023-01-25 20:18
There is no room for argument bro. Sachin is THE greatest ever to play. Bradman was very good, Kohli and Rohit might break all records Sachin made.. but no one. I repeat NO ONE can replicate what Sachin did during the 90s and early 2000s.
2023-02-02 22:28
What are those random sports? Where only like 1-2 nations play them?
2023-01-25 19:51
must have a really sad life to unironically care and argue about other people's achievements
2023-01-25 19:51
1 reply
possibly, but even then my life would still be way better than you consideting your flag, so cope and play your video games and watch anime little princess
2023-01-25 20:18
fangio is also on the list
2023-01-25 19:53
bron better
2023-01-25 20:19
Respectable list. :)
2023-01-25 20:24
1 reply
thanks jonty
2023-01-26 13:07
Football has many arguments. The GOAT can be Pelé, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo or Maradona. All of those mentioned above have inhuman numbers, things that NO ONE has managed to beat (yet). You say you have no arguments is an unacceptable thing.
2023-01-25 20:30
4 replies
Get Ronaldo out of that debate The others have a World Cup , Cristiano doesn`t
2023-01-25 20:38
Penaldo isnt even top10 bro
2023-01-25 20:43
Cant be Ronaldo. Guy is a tap in machine, relies heavily on strong midfielders, not a magical maestro who can create chances out of thin air like Messi Pele or Maradona. Not to mention no worldcup
2023-01-26 17:08
lmao
2023-01-31 08:13
cricket- Sachin Tendulkar.. there i fixed it
2023-01-25 20:38
#155
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United States DBVS
NASCAR: Richard Petty
2023-01-25 20:39
#156
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Dominica FallczE
Fucking impressive. Never thhought some1 could actually make this list that make sense
2023-01-25 20:41
1 reply
a lot of people seem to disagree
2023-01-26 13:05
#157
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Sweden noddyy
F1 is Jim Clark without any doubts
2023-01-25 20:41
Stopped at 4. F1 (racing) = Michael Schumacher (arguments for Hamilton, Senna) Wrong. The GOAT is Juan Manuel Fangio. And if you come up with some bullshit that even your grandmother could compete back in the day, there were people dying every fuckin race. Every FUCKIN race. There was never a harder period to be a F1 driver.
2023-01-25 20:42
2 replies
Lmao that shit made it interesting back in the days, now it is just bunch of drivers driving in a circle
2023-01-26 13:12
1 reply
+1
2023-01-26 13:26
You clearly googled all of these and posted the top entry for each one. Football (soccer) = Depends on the era and position. Messi can't defend or Play GK. He is one of the top forwards of all time, but he did it with a great supporting cast everywhere he's played. There are much more prolific players who actually had to carry poor teams. 2. NBA (basketball) = Depends on the Era and Position. Jordan had it all but he isn't the greatest shooter of all-time and he isn't the best defender of all time. 3. NFL (handegg) = Depends on the Era and Position. Brady can't run the ball, or catch the ball or play defense. Peyton Manning was a much better passer. 4. F1 (racing) = the goat is the car 5. UFC (mma) = Jon Bones Jones for sure 6. Tennis = Nadal...... 7. NHL (hockey) = Best forward yes. Greatest player, who knows? 8. Golf = wake me up when its over 9. Cricket = not sure if a sport 10. MLB (baseball) = Babe Ruth maybe in his era, but he'd be nowhere near the top 10 in this current era.
2023-01-25 20:53
4 replies
+1 Manning also 5 MVPs, Brady 3. Manning could reliably lead an offense and counter defensive schemes, Brady relied on Belichick's brain/draft ability for receivers
2023-01-26 00:46
+1 Although my country is obsessed with cricket. but it's Sachin Tendulkar for cricket, if we consider it a sport lol. +1 for football. Messi's individual talent is insane but his team has always been top their, unlike other players. And football is a team sport.
2023-01-26 08:17
Gretzky got carried by Kurri and Tikkanen ngl so kinda hard to pick "the greatest"
2023-01-26 12:02
yea no,djokovic is clear
2023-02-01 22:02
#163
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Latvia Zodde
I see messi I say +1
2023-01-25 21:00
UFC - Khabib is definitely a contender for #1 Jon jones busted for PED's twice. Unforgiveable in my book.
2023-01-25 21:12
1 reply
+1
2023-01-26 08:55
5/8 (stop baiting Ronaldo's fans lol)
2023-01-25 21:09
#169
NAF | 
United States Krivix
CSGO: NAF (totally not extreme bias)
2023-01-25 21:12
#170
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Kazakhstan ELNASI
Messi with no arguments? What about Cristiano? They shared pitch together for more than 10 years.
2023-01-25 21:15
Football : Cristiano Ronaldo
2023-01-25 21:32
2 replies
Flag
2023-01-26 11:44
UCL (which is the most competitive league in the world): Cristiano Ronaldo
2023-01-26 16:00
#175
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Australia MGTX
what about boxing
2023-01-25 21:34
This is 100% unbiased 1. Football (soccer) = Pele (no arguments) 2. NBA (basketball) = L Bron (no arguments) 3. NFL (handegg) = who cars 4. F1 (racing) = cars 5. MMA = Fedor (no arguments) 6. Tennis = Federer (no arguments) 7. Hockey = Ovi (no arguments) 8. Golf = who cars 9. Cricket = who cars 10. MLB (baseball) = who cars
2023-01-26 00:33
4 replies
#200
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India Aargho
Djoko is better than Federer
2023-01-26 03:18
Djokovic > Nadal > Federer. Positive records against both, most weeks as top1, and so many other records, soon will be tied to Nadal on GS numbers and would be past him if he wasn't banned from competing or wrongfully disqualified (hitting that linesman) which would never happen to fan favourite federer. Only thing Federer has is most popular tennis player can't dispute that.
2023-01-26 08:47
worst comment of the thread
2023-01-26 13:04
federer is n.3
2023-02-01 22:02
mans never heard of mr.champions league
2023-01-26 00:40
Surf (kelly slater) 11 times world champion still competing inside top 10 surfers at 51 years old, arguably the greatst sportsman of all time
2023-01-26 00:54
1. Pelé/Maradona 2. Michael "Air" Jordan 3. who care 4. Senna/Alan Prost/ Schumacher 5. Anderson Silva/Fedor (Mike tyson if Boxe) 6. who care 7. who care 8. Tiger Woods 9. who care 10. who care 11. and "swimming"??? Can't forget the greatest of all "Michael Phelps"...
2023-01-26 01:28
tennis is nadal
2023-01-26 01:38
mma khabib
2023-01-26 01:46
#202
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Vietnam El0nMusk
no bias hahahahahaha you dumb 1/soccer: pele/maradona (messi just equal Cr7, that's it) 2 to 10: noboody care
2023-01-26 03:27
pele is goat There are not many videos of him with his best plays, there are few videos, but many players, current coaches, said that Pele was the best player they have ever seen there was a player who played with Maradona and trained Messi, and he said that Messi is the same as Maradona, but like Pele there was no one like him. and he said that they should remove pele from any ranking, because pele was on another level
2023-01-26 07:48
#205
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Fiji go1x1n00b
RONALDO RONALDO RONALDOOOO
2023-01-26 07:43
1. Football (soccer) = Lionel Andres Messi (no arguments) 2. NBA (basketball) = Michael Jeffrey Jordan (no arguments) 3. NFL (handegg) = dont care 4. F1 (racing) = Michael Schumacher (arguments for Hamilton, Senna, Prost) 5. UFC (mma) = Khabib NurmaGODmedov, Loved Jon Jones, but too many times caught cheating and a couple of decisions went his way that maybe shouldn't 6. Tennis = Novak Djokovic for me no arguments, he has a dominating record against both Nadal and Fedex. Nadal only beats him on clay where he is undisputed GOAT. Also he would have 23-24 GS by now if he wasn't robbed at US 1 time and banned from US / AU Open 7. NHL (hockey) = Wayne Gretzky (arguments Lemieux, maybe Oveckhin soon) 8. Golf = Jack Nicklaus (arguments for Woods) I'm gonna have to believe u, don't watch golf and never will fun to play tho 9. Cricket = don't care, don't even know the rules :) 10. MLB (baseball) = don't care, watched 1 game in my life or better slept trough it 11. CS:GO s1mple 12. Biathlon - Ole Einar Bjørndalen (arguments for J.T. Boe who can surpass Bjorndalen) 13. Table tennis - some Chinese guy 14. Swimming - Michael Phelps 15. Chess - between Kasparov, Carlsen and Fischer IMO 16. LoL - Faker
2023-01-26 08:16
5 replies
khabib fought 5 decent opponents in his entire career and never went up in weight, he is not the goat, not even top3.
2023-01-26 13:04
2 replies
why would u have to go up in weight? Makes 0 sense. Guy rekt everyone like no one before or after /closed
2023-01-27 11:55
1 reply
not even top3
2023-01-27 14:42
wdym some chinese guy xDddddddddd
2023-01-26 13:09
I have an argument for Biathlon, you forgot Fourcade. Also I have an aargument for swimming,because Ledecky still competing. Also what comes to esports SC 2 GOAT is Serral.
2023-01-26 15:53
1. Football -Maradona 2. CS - NEO 3. CSGO - s1mpel 4. LoL - Canyon
2023-01-26 08:34
1 reply
putting Canyon over Faker is the same as Lebron over Jordan bruh.
2023-01-26 11:56
NBA/NFL - allen iverson gold - Greg Norman with no arguments?? 331 weeks ranked #1, he basically won everything there was except for the green jacket, the ways he would go out in the masters was fkn stupid but yeh he won 91 tournaments
2023-01-26 08:55
1 reply
kyrie> allen miderson
2023-01-26 11:50
jones is not the goat after ciryl gane is going to destroy this bum
2023-01-26 11:51
11 replies
paul craig is dogshit
2023-01-26 13:03
1 reply
Better than any germany fighter
2023-01-26 14:22
Your boy got tko'd by no chin johnny walker this weekend lmao, you must be going through it my man. But I agree I hope jones gets slept
2023-01-26 13:13
8 replies
Who is your boy? Romero the soldier of steroids
2023-01-26 14:25
7 replies
Nah my boy is Cody No Love aka Bantamweight GOAT
2023-01-26 15:40
6 replies
That guy is not even top15
2023-01-26 15:48
5 replies
But he is the champ
2023-01-26 15:57
4 replies
So?
2023-01-26 15:57
3 replies
So paul craig is not lol
2023-01-26 16:07
2 replies
paul craig resume>cody resume
2023-01-26 17:41
1 reply
Good one dude
2023-01-26 18:27
1. Football (soccer) = Lionel Andres Messi (no arguments) True 2. NBA (basketball) = Michael Jeffrey Jordan (no arguments) Who cares 3. NFL (handegg) = Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (no arguments) Who cares 4. F1 (racing) = Michael Schumacher (arguments for Hamilton, Senna) True 5. UFC (mma) = Jon Bones Jones (arguments for GSP, Silva) NO 6. Tennis = Novak Djokovic (arguments for Roger, Nadal) Maybe 7. NHL (hockey) = Wayne Gretzky (no arguments) Yes 8. Golf = Jack Nicklaus (arguments for Woods) Who cares 9. Cricket = Donald Bradman (no arguments) lmao, is this a real sport? 10. MLB (baseball) = Babe Ruth (arguments for Babe Ruth, Ted Williams) who cares
2023-01-26 12:10
#227
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Finland Tatuq
Counter Strike = Mikko ''xartE'' Välimaa (no arguments)
2023-01-26 12:21
Goat of cricket is arguable, candidates are Sachin, Shane Warne, Jimmy Anderson, possibly Virat Kohli and Jaques Kallis
2023-01-26 13:08
who tf follow that many sports
2023-01-26 13:10
MMA goat is Cody No Love
2023-01-26 13:11
4 replies
lmao Cody "No Chin" Garbage
2023-01-26 13:18
3 replies
Lmao Bantamweight Champion aka Bantamweight GOAT Cry is free
2023-01-26 13:21
2 replies
i.imgur.com/kscmXCu.png cry is free /closed
2023-01-26 13:27
1 reply
gyazo.com/86aa500cda2ae881566c429cf02179.. /open I love haters' tears /closed
2023-01-26 13:35
table tennis ma long i guess
2023-01-26 13:13
sorry but ronaldo is the goat
2023-01-26 13:15
3 replies
#290
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Brazil Diabo
sorry but no 😞
2023-01-31 08:07
flag
2023-01-31 08:40
1 reply
flag bc of ronaldo dumb, im rusky
2023-01-31 19:43
Big if tru
2023-01-26 13:16
NHL jj68
2023-01-26 13:22
what about 42 for baseball
2023-01-26 15:55
I would have loved to see how well Gretzky would have played his whole career without Kurri. After all Gretzky achieved 4 Stanley cups and every single one when Kurri was in his line. Kurri had 5, so was Gretzky really that amazing? Not saying that he would have been bad or anything just wondering.
2023-01-26 16:20
Its 2023 and there are still people saying CR7 is the goat 😂 I can understand if they are saying Pele or Maradona. But Cristiano? Lmao
2023-01-26 17:10
4 replies
#281
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Fiji go1x1n00b
Ronaldo scored the most goals in football history and the most goals in UCL history. Won premier league AND Champions league 3 times in a row (a UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT that no one except him will ever have). He won league titles in every team he played, won the golden shoe in every league he played. International titles? all-time leading goalscorer for national teams won Portugal their only trophies in history EURO and UEFA nations league. EURO 2016 >= WORLD CUP (Ronaldo had a weaker team so more impressive imo) UEFA Nations League > Copa America Messi has fewer goals, fewer goals in UCL, fewer UCL titles, and fewer goals for the national team. So how is messi better?
2023-01-27 12:39
2 replies
he has the most goals because he has more games dude, messi has more games per match and will overtake cr7 in the future... "EURO 2016 >= WORLD CUP" biggest cope in coping history
2023-01-27 19:46
"EURO 2016 >= WORLD CUP" if this is not a joke then you must seek some medical assistance :D
2023-01-31 08:31
Maradona? Messi, Pelé > CR7 > Maradona
2023-01-31 10:51
#299
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Slovenia marcelyx3
11. Posting braindead hltv posts: HLTVHISTORIAN(undisputed)
2023-01-31 10:24
4 replies
3rd world malder spotted
2023-02-01 06:20
3 replies
#311
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Slovenia marcelyx3
Turky immigrant running a rat infested kebab stall fakeflagging germany detected
2023-02-01 11:36
2 replies
looks like i hit a soft spot poor little guy 😂 Milchgesichter wie dich nimm ich zum Frühstück.
2023-02-01 14:48
1 reply
#318
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Slovenia marcelyx3
Dont get stabbed or robbed out there turky? Or is you the one doing the stabbing?
2023-02-01 21:50
Yes
2023-01-31 10:56
you forgot many sports, redo a proper list in another thread
2023-01-31 10:56
1 reply
i dont care about irrelevant sports i only missed boxing but thats it
2023-02-01 14:48
Wayne Gretzky might be the greatest athlete of all time. Him or Bo Jackson maybe.
2023-02-01 06:19
Pelé = 3WC
2023-02-01 22:00
#331
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Denmark grindz
Handball: Mikkel Hansen
2023-02-01 22:00
2 replies
Nikola Karabatić or Ivano Balić
2023-02-02 07:40
1 reply
#373
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Denmark grindz
They're close but not as great imo
2023-02-02 19:34
#332
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United States ryan!nacs
11. csgo = HOOXI (no arguments)
2023-02-01 22:00
MLB - You can make a ton of arguments for people other then Babe Ruth what is this Europe. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds, Mickey Mantle, Pedro Martinez, Mike Trout All have an argument at the very least.
2023-02-01 22:04
Djokovic (no arguments)
2023-02-01 22:06
IMO 1. Football (soccer) = Lionel Messi (arguments for CR7, Maradona) 2. NBA (basketball) = Don't watch 3. NFL (handegg) = Michael Jordan (arguments for LeBron James, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) 4. F1 (racing) = Lewis Hamilton (arguments for Michael Schumacher) 5. UFC (mma) = Don't watch 6. Tennis = Roger Federer (arguments for Djokovic, Nadal) 7. NHL (hockey) = Don't watch 8. Golf = Tiger Woods (arguments for Jack Nicklaus) 9. Cricket = Don't watch 10. MLB (baseball) = Don't watch
2023-02-01 22:13
1 reply
Michael Jordan the Goat of american football, lets go!
2023-02-01 22:15
Football - Messi Basketball - MJ 23
2023-02-01 22:41
I still like Federer the most. Fangio is the only competition for Schumacher, Senna isn't even close and Hamilton while good always had the best car, I think that only on 2018 wasn't a 1-2 for Mercedes.
2023-02-01 22:49
Pool - Efren Reyes Snooker - Ronnie O Sullivan Chess - Magnus Carlsen No arguments.
2023-02-02 08:07
Football = Pelé (arguments for Messi, but still no 3 World Cups, same number of Golden Balls - 7, Pelé more goals, more impact, did everything first, brought football to the world, stopped the whole world) F1 = Senna (arguments for Schummacher, watch the BBC doc) NBA = Jordan (arguments for LBJ if he keeps consistent) Tennis = Nadal (arguments for Federer and Djoko) UFC = GSP (arguments for Silva and Jones)
2023-02-02 14:34
6 replies
Pelé isn't even in top 3, Nadal is 3rd behind Djokovic and Federer.
2023-02-02 15:55
5 replies
#380
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Brazil murodri
I don't really like to comment on HLTV threads, but, have you really said that Pelé isn't even top 3?
2023-02-02 20:32
1 reply
Objectively, Pelé is nowhere near Messi or Ronaldo.
2023-02-02 23:03
This guy clearly doesn't understand Football or Ranking system criteria. Nadal has the most number Grand Slam wins, the highest break point rate and dominated Roland Garros so much that made everybody shit their pants.
2023-02-02 22:12
2 replies
Yeah exactly, if it wasn't for clay he wouldn't be close to the others.
2023-02-02 23:03
1 reply
But Clay is a 3rd of Tennis. Djoko had a similar, albeit no so good domination on the Australian Open
2023-02-03 19:20
what about chess? magnus carlsen or robert fisher?
2023-02-02 14:38
Schumacher? No way.
2023-02-02 15:54
Tom Brady is actually the most overrated player in all of sports. Actual barely above average talent graced with the perfect defense, system, special teams, and luck. I have absolutely no doubt somebody like fucking Matt Stafford or Joe Flacco would win a handful of rings with the teams hes been on.
2023-02-02 16:01
Football (soccer) = Leo Messi NBA (basketball) = LeBron James UFC (mma) = Khabib Nurmagomedov Bonus: CS = s1mple
2023-02-02 19:41
#376
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Hungary zy_k
i guess the no argument is bcs of the wc but dude even fcking Hungary who didnt even qualify would have a chance to win the wc with 12 players on the field i can point out quite a few very interesting referee decisions in almost all the games examples otamendi should've got sent off in the final parades should've got sent off against netherlands 7 games 6 penalty(and almost all of them were quite interesting) final goal for argentina shouldn't have counted literal referee said its just feels bad to give yellow card to messi and after this proceeds to run a knockout stage argentina game and when messi handed that ball no yellow card that wouldn't really have changed the game but you know something is up when that is not a yellow card and iam not saying that it was bribed (not impossible) but there was obvious favouritsm from the referees
2023-02-02 20:07
1. Football (soccer) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 2. NBA (basketball) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 3. NFL (handegg) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 4. F1 (racing) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 5. UFC (mma) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 6. Tennis = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 7. NHL (hockey) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 8. Golf = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 9. Cricket = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev 10. MLB (baseball) = Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev (no arguments)
2023-02-02 20:08
Ronaldo better LeGOAT better
2023-02-02 20:11
1 reply
0/8
2023-02-02 22:18
interesting to see what germans think of american sports, its actually comical
2023-02-02 22:17
Cricket = Sachin. Period.
2023-02-02 22:24
Pelé >>>>
2023-02-03 14:43
No one gives a fuck about Volleyball right?
2023-02-03 14:47
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