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Im just so curious if people watch the games. People are acting like we’re seeing a whole new g2. Last year they only made it to kato final bc niko dropped 1.5+ ratings every map until they lost. Seeing nothing from the whole team that makes me think they’ll win if niko has an off day. Just continued greatness by the best rifler of all time
They definitely feel more sound overall, it’s not just NiKo dropping insane performances, the entire team looks well rounded and in great shape
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jks with some crazy plays too. Very fun to see
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Yea he rly is everything we hoped for when he first came on the team. THE FLASH
No im not watching the games because its a waste of time watching Navi. But I'm also not writing anything about G2.
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great input thanks
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Jks is also an improving unit since world finals and also another big factor imo. I think they'll face problems in a bo5 with a bigger map variety though where they can't rely on niko so heavily every map. Would make it even more interesting vs faze in a bo5, I'd bet on faze any day. G2 is good but perhaps overrated, when niko stops over performing we shall see the true picture, but at the moment they've showcased a very strong showing
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NAVI is very weak at the moment. Unless s1mple drops 26+ kills in regulation they're done
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Instead of jKs 'Improving', a better way to put it is to say he's just getting back to being as good as he used to be. And he's still got room left to go.
All his critics since complexity were missing a lot of context, and it's nice that that's starting to be proven now. He actually is quite a special player.
says the guy who only watched the last game
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People should probably put their expectations a bit lower, they just look at how G2 is winning every game without dropping a map but NiKo also has 1,48 rating so far and G2 has only won once against BIG and twice against Navi and only played 3x Inferno, 2x Nuke and 1x Mirage. We need to see how good they play when it's a different opponent and different map or when NiKo is having an off day. It sure looks better than before, the team cohesion seems a lot better and JKS is actually performing.
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Yeah that’s reasonable
terrible take, you act like they didnt win world finals when niko was playing average at best while m0nesy, hunter and jks were playing crazy
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They played 5 bo3's in World finals and outside of those 3 maps (Mirage, Nuke & Inferno) they played 1 map on Ancient (lost), one map on Vertigo (lost) and one map on Anubis (won). We still don't truly know how good their form is on other maps than those 3 maps they've played here in Groups. Also right now NiKo is having almost 1,5 rating which is absolutely not going to last forever, hard to judge a team when one player is playing as good as he is. But sure this is the best looking G2 in probably ever.
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stop acting like the vertigo lost was bad, g2 lost on vertigo to g2. They won 7 straight and made it 13-9 after their ct side and got 15 first and lost on a like a 0.1 defuse by zywoo. G2's vertigo is still better than most teams in the top 10 with vitality being the only team that can actually go toe to toe with them on vertigo. They barely play ancient and it was against faze who is the best team on ancient. And like we said, we see that niko doesnt need to have 1.5 rating to win tournaments. They won blast world final with him having 1.16 kd, when you have m0nesy, hunter and jks all playing to their expectation you dont need niko to have a 1.5 kd. If they all play like this they can win a major tho
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Never said it was bad, they still lost it. And sure every game teams have lucky and unlucky rounds, they lost the map and that's it. We don't know how good their Vertigo is since we have only seen one map on it in months, you are basing your whole take that G2 has one of the best Vertigo's in the world to one map that they lost?
All I'm saying is that the sample size is still very small, sure they won Blast World Finals and they played great but that's just one tournament and in Groups they have only played 3 different maps once against BIG (one of the weakest teams attending) and twice against Navi that is the worst looking Navi in years. I do believe they are one of the favorites in Katowice but just remember they also won 10 maps in a row in EPL but then after losing to Vitality in playoffs they didn't even get to the major.
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Never said they have the best vertigo, I said their vertigo is better than most teams in the top 10 and anyone would agree with that. They have 100p on 32maps in the past 3 months. Nuke (best team on nuke by far) D2 was 100p but its not in the map pool and they were atleast top 2-3 for the best team on that map and 100p on anubis but granted only 1 map played on it. 85.7% on inferno 6 wins to 1 loss and the loss was a classic g2 throw with niko pushing banana and letting it go to ot. They beat faze, liquid, navi, big and outsiders on that map in the past 3 months. They have 66.7% on mirage (4-2) They are literally only bad on ancient which isnt that big of a problem. You cant just brush away the fact they won blast world finals like that and say "yea sure" I can just be like they only missed the major because new igl and new player. Navi are in a slump but they its still navi and its still not easy to 2-0 a team back to back bro, BIG 2-0d liquid as well pretty convincingly too so i wouldnt say big is one of the weakest teams.
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The fact is they have lost their last 3 Vertigo games against Liquid (10-16), Heroic (12-16) and Vitality (15-19) and those are the only times they've played the map in last 3 months. Idk if you can confidently say they have one of the best Vertigo's atm if they don't have any wins on the map. Like I said, yes they look really good on especially Nuke & Inferno and Mirage seems to be pretty good too but we can't say they are really strong on Vertigo looking at their last 3 month results (0 wins) and have only seen one map of Ancient and one map of Anubis from them so can't really say much about their form on those maps either. We know they have strong Mirage, Inferno & Nuke but we don't know about the other 3 maps.
You are really comparing Blast World and major? Missing out from the major in the way they did was simply put a disgrace. Blast World was a nice win from them obviously but it's still just one event, just like Vitality won EPL (which is actually a bigger achievement than winning Blast World Finals) but did nothing before or after it. Dude Navi just barely beat Complexity 2-1 and it was more of Col choking than Navi suddenly playing super good. It's still a really shaky Navi and G2 got to play against them on 2 of G2's best maps on both of the wins. BIG is still one of the weakest teams in the Blast Groups even if they beat Liquid 2-0. I'd say they are in the bottom 3 of the weakest teams alongside Col & EG. It's not a super weak tier 2 team but no one expects them to be in any way a title contender this year and G2 should beat them every time.
I'm not really sure what are you trying to achieve here, I'm not saying G2 is bad, they are actually the best performing team atm. We just have a pretty small sample size from them to truly know how good they are and that you shouldn't get overly excited yet. We'll know after Katowice if they are truly the best team.
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This does not look like Niko is forced to over perform. This is not end of 2021 Niko that just had to push everything and win every duel in order to win a round.
He is having one hell of a good run so far but team looks solid even when he is out of the round. Which is often early on as he's extremely aggressive.
Last year Monesy was an MVP of the tournament they've won, so that's a telltale that kid is shifting gears. And I do not think he's any worse here. Sure statistically yes but in reality Niko is pretty insane on this tournament so there's less opportunity for others to get more.
G2 looks solid, they win a lot of scrappy rounds that get very messy and they almost always failed that in the past. Not talking about force buys, just talking about rounds where playbook goes out the window.
I think that's a sign of a solid communication and understanding and that's what makes me believe in this team. Even when they fail at something you can see there was a method behind that, a meaning to it.
Niko is overperforming, but he's not creating something out of nothing like he did at the end of 2021 and that's a huge difference.
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I did a lot of calling in few games, didn't really get to that level to do that in CS but principles are the same when it comes to strategy and managing pressure.
So this is just from what I saw in games and nothing more. Once you develop a tactical mind it easily translates between different games and other forms of competition.
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yeah, was 37 or 39 maps, s1mple is 2-nd with 31. Best rifler is at like 11 which was ropz - hardcore passive lurker at a time.
I don't think Niko is any worse than he was at that time, just was a lucky circumstance that his team was slightly worse than everyone and he is better than everyone on the server so there was a lot of room for him to pad stats.
We saw it in Blast finals, when Hooxi said he was out of it Niko took over and had like 2-3 rounds with entry multikills.
This is actually a horrible take its almost funny, it seems like you looked at the stats page and saw NiKo's kills and decided to write this post
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Do you find g2 to be a contender?
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A contender for what?
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Like consistent trophies I guess
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I'm not convinced they can consistently win trophies yet, although I certainly believe they're a contender to pick up a big LAN for this season. Certainly a top 4 favorite team to win Katowice, they're a team who are looking really good while the other top teams have been looking really bad (at least compared to their previous form)
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They look great, even HooXi feels very impactful the way he plays.
I am sadly a G2 fan and have been watching them suck ass the last two years, believe me when I say they've definitely improved.
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kicking nexa felt kinda like a mistake to me, but i feel like they haven't played this well since NiKo joined
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I agree, but finally Hooxi seems to be the better fit. Also can we talk about how old the G2 roster is and they're still kicking ass? a 25 year old and three 27 year olds.
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i used to be a NiKo hater before HooXi joined the team, he seems to have such a better mentality now... granted he still gets tilted, but everyone does and it feels like it doesn't affect him the same way it did before.
At the moment M0nesy seems to be off, second half of last year he was maybe a top 3 AWPer, at least top 5.
When M0nesy gets back to form, they can perform. They need either NiKo or M0nesy to win, let alone if both play well.
But you're right that not much has changed from last year.
S1mple doing poorly because team sucks
Niko doing well because... team sucks
This is a 0 sum equation mate. You can't have 4 people 30 bomb.
I don't know what more you want from g2 if you actually watched thier games. Clutch% pistol round% 2nd round conversions, calling? 4v5 win%... their info plays
Every player other than hooxi was positive last series its not like niko, skull dragged 3 people on negative kd
Maybe take a pen and paper and write down the player that objectively won the round for the team. If there is no clear answer just write down "team", you could even have a column for the side that failed. This will help you look at Cs in a more holistic way. Getting a kill is nice but winning a round is better.
jks has been playing insane
m0NESY too has been insane
even if NiKo didn't NiKo, G2 would still win only not this easy.
HooXi too has been stepping up.
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The bit where that falls over is that G2 beat 2 of those 3 on their playoff run at World Finals, only just over a month ago. And they have looked more convincing than all of them in the groups here, plus had the hardest group as such comparatively.
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May I remind you that a year ago exactly Vitality looked quite good and qualified to the spring final easily. Only then came Katowice and Vitality looked totally lost with their gameplay and with their communication because the level of opposition and the intensity of games was so much higher.
The guy who enters through the window and ends up being the missing puzzle is not a foreign concept to cs, Perfecto wasnt NaVi's 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice, they wanted forester above all, then bus7er, then ax1le , they were all taken and they went for Perfecto and they won the major.
Everyone knows Hooxi was about to get kicked last year but he picked it up and now G2 is looking amazing.
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